A 19-year-old man was stabbed at around 12:30 a.m. on Sunday, December 13, following a party at 554 Coronel Place in Santa Barbara. According to police reports, around 150 people had attended a courtyard party at a residence where a conflict arose involving a group of alleged gang members who demanded alcohol. This group eventually left. When discussing the incident with a friend, however, the 19-year-old man pointed out another man — later identified as 25-year-old Joseph Ramos — as a witness to the dispute. This, in turn, caused a fight between the 19-year-old man and Ramos and, consequently, the 19-year-old suffered a single stab into the stomach to the stomach. He was immediately transported to Cottage Hospital where he underwent surgery. He is now considered to be in stable condition.
Police say that Ramos fled the scene after the incident, but then turned himself into the police in the company of his lawyer at 6:30 p.m. that same day. He was arrested on charges of assault with a deadly weapon and held on $30,000 bail.
Police spokesperson Sgt. Lorenzo Duarte characterized the party as one attended by Santa Barbara City College students and said that the 19-year-old man who was stabbed is not a gang member. He also said that the investigation has not indicated that Ramos is one of the people who initially argued with the party’s host for alcohol. “There is no indication of that,” said Duarte, who explained that Ramos was apparently angry just for being labeled a witness to the original altercation. “You get alcohol involved and sometimes things just don't make sense,” Duarte said.
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Ah ha! Without jumping to a conclusion too quickly, it sounds as though the gang bangin' underworld is starting to bleed over into our local collegiate community with Hood Rats showing up at a party demanding alcohol.
I can't wait for Sleepy, Dopey, Stoooopid, and Dumbass (isn't that what they call themselves?) to show up at my party demanding things.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if the proper officials could do something more than what they're doing to protect and serve?
Until then, I guess I'll just protect myself.
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livingsb (anonymous profile)
December 16, 2008 at 3:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Until then, I guess I'll just protect myself."
I would assume you're armed. Assuming that, you, like me, probably chuckle a bit at the anti-second amendment types who fail to see the irony of their well-meaning but misguided attempts to right the wrongs of our increasingly violent society.
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billclausen (anonymous profile)
December 16, 2008 at 6:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
When you throw a party of that size, in that neighborhood, what do you expect? It's just a big ***t magnet for trouble.
Live and learn...Throw your parties at Harry's or somewhere where there won't be the cheap freeloading punks that show up and push their pansa around.
6 Flags jacked up their prices to keep the rif raff out and it worked.
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azuresees (anonymous profile)
December 16, 2008 at 8:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
150 mixed teenagers and young adults drinking alcohol on the lower Westside of town at a low income apartment courtyard. Your in the heart of the "Hood" with unsupervised kids with no security. Hello!!!!! Gangbangn underworld?? livingsb sounds like your not really living in sb.
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oigie1 (anonymous profile)
December 17, 2008 at 8:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Oigie1, that's exactly where I'm living - in a town where 90% of the collegiate population here doesn't mix with the "ganbangin underworld".
Furthermore, any attendance by those vile pieces of s""t at the party was( I'll bet my gun rights on it) uninvited and unwelcomed.
I went to school here. And I stayed after to make a life here. I've been around a bit. I know who mixes with who. It takes a simple drive through these neighborhoods to sum that up.
Lots of 150 mixed teens and college students drink together in I.V. every night. They may fight, but they rarely, if ever stab.
The scum know who they are. I'm doubtful if they can read so preaching to them on here is falling on deaf ears. Damn!
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livingsb (anonymous profile)
December 17, 2008 at 9:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
livingsb, I highly encourage you to drive by that address some time.
I'm not saying you're completely wrong as that is some unacceptable behavior, but oigie1 and azuresees make good points. That is the last place I would throw a party with say more than 10 or so college buddies. One neighborhood south towards city college and it would be acceptable, but once you pass that gate you're in another part of town.
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loonpt (anonymous profile)
December 17, 2008 at 10:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
“ 'You get alcohol involved and sometimes things just don't make sense, ' ” Duarte said."
Bingo, that's the source of the problem!
Whether it's ill-mannered rich college kids, or hoodie-wearing Gang Bangers, or even pretentious Yuppies who need to compensate for their lack of spiritual fulfillment resulting from their materialistic competitive superficial lifestyle, you can count on booze being the things that link these groups.
Alcohol dulls the senses and reduces healthy inhibitions. (Such as not picking fights, and not sleeping with people you don't know who might carry sexually transmitted diseases.)
It's the simple law of the jungle: Keep your wits about you at all times and run with those who do likewise and you'll be much less likely to get into fights or get into other forms of trouble.
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billclausen (anonymous profile)
December 17, 2008 at 2:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ever since I turned 18 and visited IV or Downtown, I was armed and wore a protective vest. I encountered the 'Rif-Raf' but never had to 'CAP' anyone. When I left for wealthier pastures East of the California, I still carry and wear my vest with a Titanium Plate to stop Rifle rounds. In the DC area, "Gang-Bangers" and "Al'caida Splinter-Cell" Members abound here and the local law is PC minded to arresting or responding to gun-fire persons. I don't party that much in DC due to it's Criminal Magnet-ness but when I do, I pack my '40 S&W' Beretta in its shoulder holster. As for you'all? Remember, your PD is watching it's P's and Q's when it comes to arresting any Minority youth, so as they say at the State Department,"The US does NOT negotiate with Terrorists" (Of any kind, Bangers included)!
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dou4now (anonymous profile)
December 18, 2008 at 8:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
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