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    Christmas Morning Stabbing on Eastside

    Suspect Sergio Quintana, 36, Arrested; Victim Cesar Ortega, 32, Recovering in Hospital


    Saturday, December 26, 2009
    By Matt Kettmann (Contact)
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    Christmas morning started off on a particularly naughty foot for Sergio Quintana, a 36-year-old resident of Soledad Street on Santa Barbara’s Eastside who allegedly stabbed an acquaintance on Milpas Street near Haley in broad daylight Friday morning. The victim, 32-year-old Cesar Ortega, managed to flee in his vehicle and escape to his neighborhood on the 100 block of South Soledad Street, where he called police at about 10 a.m. from outside his apartment.

    Once the police arrived, they found Ortega suffering from “several stab wounds to the chest and abdomen,” said Sgt. John Corre, amounting to what they thought were life-threatening wounds. He told them that he’d been stabbed by Quintana, and pointed up the street, to the 100 block of North Soledad, where the attacker’s car was parked. The police were able to quickly find Quintana, and he was arrested without incident for attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon.

    Upon being admitted to the hospital, Ortega was treated and, according to Corre, “His wounds were not as serious as we had anticipated.” He’s now being classified as in “guarded but stable condition.”

    Until a more thorough report is issued Monday morning, Corre was unable to go into more details, as there are still a couple witnesses that police are tracking down. “Right now, all we would be giving would be the victim’s account,” said Corre, explaining that accuracy is most important before any public statement. But it sounds as if the motive has already been worked out, and while Corre made it seem that the case was pretty cut and dry, he did say that some of the underlying issues are “interesting.”

    Corre could confirm, however, that the victim and suspect did know each other before the attack and that “we’ve seen nothing that shows any gang relationship.”

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    Imagine.... if the stabber had been an Arab, or of the Muslim faith (!). The corporate media would have been here in droves, propagandizing 24/7 about new "al Qaida" threats on America's streets. It would have been a field day for Wolf "Weasel" Blitzer and the Goebbels copycats, preaching their post 9/11 brand of hatred and fear, designed to replace the old boogeyman of Communism with "Arabs and Muslims", in order that perpetual war against these new hated peoples will be publicly endorsed and financed without debate.

    bloggulator (anonymous profile)
    December 26, 2009 at 4:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

    "naughty"? A very poor choice of words that trivializes the event. I hope you will apologize. And, it is in the same sentence as "stabbing." Really Mr. Kettmann, as much as I admire your work and the major presence you are in Santa Barbara for us readers, this choice of words was "squeamish."

    Bird (anonymous profile)
    December 26, 2009 at 7:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

    The holidays are sometimes very hard times for people and the present economy does make it harder. Drinking a little too much, missing family, maybe an unpaid debt or a lover's triangle. who knows, but these things do happen when tempers get out of hand.

    Very sad for all parties involved.

    bajamama (anonymous profile)
    December 26, 2009 at 9:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

    blogulater. what is the connection?

    dasflueff (anonymous profile)
    December 26, 2009 at 9:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

    i agree with Bird about the word usage. I think that "naughty" was a poor choice- regardless of the reasons for the stabbing it is still a serious event and violence should never be trivialized.

    nginther (anonymous profile)
    December 26, 2009 at 11:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

    Seriously, why are you focusing on the word naughty so much? Yes it may be distracting but you're attaching significance to one word and not the story itself. Now personally, I found the word "interesting" to be the word that got my attention.... as it indicates that perhaps this could have been a fight about drugs or some other illegal activity. It makes me curious to learn the story behind this incident and to see if it nets other criminals... perhaps this is just the tip of a story. And the stabber was definately being naughty! I wouldn't have used that word in the story because it indicates that perhaps the victim was the nice one and we don't know if that is true. What if the one that was stabbed had threatened the stabbers children? Hmm, these stories always leave so much room to wonder.

    santabarbarasand (anonymous profile)
    December 27, 2009 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

    *quote* "blogulater. what is the connection?"

    ****

    If you look up the FBI's general definition of terrorism, the activities of urban street gangs fit this definition like the proverbial glove; the disconnect, is that urban street gangs are not linked to Islamic or middle eastern groups, hence the powers-that-be and the corporate media regard street gangs' modus operandi as purely "criminal", as opposed to "terrorist".

    We are being actively "educated" that all terrorists are Muslim, and all Muslims are terrorists or potential terrorists; this programming of the US populace via the media has been ongoing since the forced dissolution of Palestine decades ago. Two questions we have to ask ourselves are not only "why the great effort of an officially-endorsed hatred towards Arabs and Muslims", but also "why have a number of our alphabet-soup agencies in the past 3 decades engaged in activities which have resulted in the formation and promotion of gang activity, in all major and median-size US cities?"

    On the surface, a seemingly straightforward stabbing in a small US city may appear to be a random criminal act. Look at the larger picture: it's far uglier and more manipulative than one would prefer to imagine. I shall leave it up to the reader to look up the connections... they become obvious on further reading and reflect a prominent part of both US domestic and foreign policy.

    bloggulator (anonymous profile)
    December 28, 2009 at 12:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

    Two questions we have to ask ourselves are not only "why the great effort of an officially-endorsed hatred towards Arabs and Muslims", but also "why have a number of our alphabet-soup agencies in the past 3 decades engaged in activities which have resulted in the formation and promotion of gang activity, in all major and median-size US cities?"

    Bloggulator: I think the overall question you raise is a good one which I will address.

    I agree that the threat of gang activity has a more direct impact on our day-to-day lives, and I realize that there are intelligent principled people who will disagree with this opinion. What I don't quite follow is your focus on the various alphabet-soup organizations causing the gang problem as I would go straight to the core of the problem which is the overall policies of our elected "representatives".

    Both political parties have shown a disinterest at best toward addressing the cause-and-effect of the open border. How many people in congress, the senate, or in the White House can you point out who have had the guts to articulate this point--and do so without falling into the trap of doing so in a jingoistic us vs. them way? Would Lois Capps, Helene Schneider, Arnold Schwartzenegger, any of our living former presidents, or any of the other headline-grabbing nabobs dare to point out that the immigration of today has nothing in common with the immigration of yesteryear? Would they dare point out that Mexico's government sees the U.S. as its refugee camp?...That it doesn't have to address its domestic problems because it knows it can always encourage its people to vacate the country and come up here?

    Big business mentality loves the open border because we are getting the poorest of the poor who will put up with just about anything to stay here. People on the left will honorably acknowledge this fact but fall into their own emotional trap of liberal guilt and insist that we must respect their culture by not expecting them to learn the language of the land and assimilate into our culture. When this happens, the children of these people grow up without feeling that they are part of this culture and of course they look for identity in gangs since unlike second-generation kids of the pre-multiculturalist era, they have no feeling of cultural identity as they see their parents are not connected to the 100+ other nationalities and the many attendant linguistic backgrounds that accompanies what used to be proudly referred to as the Melting Pot

    Yes indeed, America's abandonment of regulated immigration is exploding in our face and once-bucolic Santa Barbara is feeling the effects full force and from the look of things its only going to get worse because I see nobody in any position of political power on the local, county, state, or national level who wants to admit that rolling out the Red Carpet for illegal immigration only benefits a few people while the rest of us suffer.

    billclausen (anonymous profile)
    December 28, 2009 at 5:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

    (This comment was removed by the site staff for violation of use policy.)

    rstein9 (anonymous profile)
    December 28, 2009 at 7:06 a.m.

    Speaking of the establishment inflaming terrorism, did anybody here about the orange alert they placed us under after the shoe bomber incident a few days ago? Boy did I LMAO.... I had no idea we still used those codes.

    Of course, it turns out that the bomber had help from our own intelligence..

    http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/ind...

    "A Michigan man who was aboard Northwest Airlines Flight 253 says he witnessed Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab trying to board the plane in Amsterdam without a passport.
    ...
    Haskell said he and his wife were sitting on the ground near their boarding gate in Amsterdam, which is when they saw Mutallab
    approach the gate with an unidentified man.

    While Mutallab was poorly dressed, his friend was dressed in an expensive suit, Haskell said. He says the suited man asked ticket agents whether Mutallab could board without a passport. "The guy said, 'He's from Sudan and we do this all the time.'""

    http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/802...

    "Her daughter said that ahead of them was a man who videotaped the entire flight, including the attempted detonation."

    Who video tapes an "entire flight" ?? Apparently he didn't detonate until 10 minutes before they arrived at their destination AND the FBI had been waiting at said destination. WTFsickle....

    loonpt (anonymous profile)
    December 28, 2009 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

    "Put Anyone Who Is A "Known Muslim" In A Separate Line." - Faux News

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNjZqQ...

    What is this, Nazi Germany???

    What is the matter with people? Why do those in the mainstream who claim to believe in economic liberty revile individual rights and liberties? Why do those in the mainstream who claim to believe in civil and individual rights not believe in economic freedom which is an inherent part of individual rights?

    If somebody wants to get on a plane and destroy it badly enough, they will do it. If they don't, then eventually someone with a like mind will succeed. What we need to do is focus on ways of preventing those feelings from arising. The reason those feelings arise is due to our economic and military imperialism overseas. We need to leave people in other country's alone so that they don't target us like this..

    Yemen has a long history of being a haven for intelligence handled agents and "terrorists". This guy was given a faulty device on purpose just to scare Americans. He actually thought he was going to blow up the plane... but he was enabled by our own intelligence, they ensured he got on the plane and had a faulty device. A very similar incident happened in the 1993 WTC bombings, the FBI was supposed to give them a fake powder so the bomb wouldn't go off by they instead backed off after aiding the terrorists with an FBI agent who ultimately wanted to do the right thing but was blocked from doing so. If we don't stand up and recognize that then we are lost.

    loonpt (anonymous profile)
    December 28, 2009 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

    Billclausen. Your rational response to my post is a welcome breath of fresh air, compared to the usual 7th grade-style kneejerking when subjects that invade our individual and collective comfort zones get an airing.

    In addition to what I posted, I venture that the gang problem is a *symptom* of deep institutionalized bias and its accompanying evils of racism, religious/other hatreds, which have been historically embedded in (our) society and passed down to each successive generation by default: "The acorn never falls far from the oak".

    Unfortunately for all of us, it is most unlikely that these issues will be *voluntarity* resolved because our society is in an ongoing and pathological state of denial when it comes to acknowledging faults and dysfunction within what we prefer to view as our "perfect system". We're dealing with the inbuilt flaws of human nature, and the (resulting) ability of certain, usually privileged sections of society, to demonize, or act as overlords, as regards others. This is even reflected in many of the laws that get passed, both historically and currently, and the selection of material that gets chosen by the mainstream to be broadcast as "newsworthy".

    bloggulator (anonymous profile)
    December 28, 2009 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

    loonpt: For the story behind the *first* World Trade Center bombing, look no further than FBI informant Emad Salem. He was under the impression that a fake bomb was to be planted.
    From the wikipedia entry for the 1993 WTC bombing:

    *quote*:

    "In the course of the trial it was revealed that the FBI had an informant, a former Egyptian army officer named Emad Salem. Salem claims to have informed the FBI of the plot to bomb the towers as early as February 6, 1992. Salem's role as informant allowed the FBI to quickly pinpoint the conspirators out of hundreds of possible suspects.

    Salem, initially believing that this was to be a sting operation, claimed that the FBI's original plan was for Salem to supply the conspirators with a harmless powder instead of actual explosive to build their bomb, but that the FBI chose to use him for other purposes instead. He secretly recorded hundreds of hours of telephone conversations with his FBI handlers."

    **

    Oh my. Looks like a variant on the old tried-and-tested false-flag operation, and it it didn't quite work as planned. Whoever made patsies out of a group of Islamic malcontents went back to the drawing board and did a more effective job in September 2001.

    bloggulator (anonymous profile)
    December 28, 2009 at 11:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

    what the hell does this have to do with any type of faith. Take it some place else!

    805RunningCrew (anonymous profile)
    December 29, 2009 at 2:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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