17 Arrested in Drug Trafficking Investigation

Why aren't we cashing in on this? End prohibition.

Agree with AZ2SB. What a waste of tax dollars.

Did someone say tax dollars....

Yeah buddy, and lots of it.

OK SB County, take my advice & if you want to pay me for being your advisor/consultant please e-mail back; take the marijuana & sell it to the medical marijuana pot shops & we should be out of the red & into the black very quickly. And please don't just burn the money I mean marijuana. We can use the money for schools, budget problems with the SB police/SB County, etc., I will be waiting for your e-mail response? PS Nick Welch; please get the word out to the higher ups at the SB County/City offices.

Yes, we will use the money for schools, just like we did (as promised 20 years ago) with the lottery money. That's why the education system is flush.

If marijuana was legal why wouldn't people just grow it themselves? Then they can avoid paying the taxes and the cost of the plant That is what always gets me about pro-pot people. They think that they can champion the "tax it to save all our problems" and know very well that they will just grow it themselves, the plant is a freaking weed, it will grow anywhere.

And then who will pay for all the additional car accidents with people driving high? The added health problems to people from smoking? The additional drug addicts who use marijuana as a gateway drug?

Nope potheads don't care and can't think that far in advance.... morons!

In the Know...you are one of the Brain Dead...read on.

If you were serious about traffic accidents you should be lobbying against alcohol, which kills god only know how many people each year.

Marijuana would actually decrease accidents.

There is a much larger issue here.

That is prohibition of anything. All drugs should be legal....if they were, you would stop the Taliban from getting all their weapons, the Gangs from getting money to buy guns and all the craziness that is going on south of the border....this is all because of our ludicrous laws.

You can not keep people from doing what they want to do....and you see the consequeces everytime some brain dead government prohibits something.

Sugar does more damage than Marijuana....look at all the disgustingly fat and unhealthy people...perhaps In The Blow wants to criminalize that as well!

Right on rstein9! You did forget one little bit of propaganda that In The Know was quick to spout, and that is that marijuana is the "gateway" drug. Puh-lease! Again shouldn't alcohol take that title? Or Tylenol? "But Tylenol is medicine!" Yeah so is marijuana.

BTW, keeping a crop going year long is as easy as brewing year long. While it is possible and some people have the know to do it it's not cheap or convenient. Why go throught the hassle if you could just go to the store and get it?

InTheKnow... Ya right!!

Two decades of research show that marijuana use may actually reduce driver accidents.

A massive 1998 study by the University of Adelaide and Transport South Australia examined blood samples from drivers involved in 2,500 accidents. It found that drivers with only cannabis in their systems were slightly less likely to cause accidents than those without. Drivers with both marijuana and alcohol did have a high accident responsibility rate. The report concluded, "there was no indication that marijuana by itself was a cause of fatal accidents."

A 1983 study by the US National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA) concluded that the only significant affect of cannabis use was slower driving - arguably a positive effect of driving high.

In Canada, a 1999 University of Toronto meta-analysis of studies into pot and driving showed that drivers who consumed a moderate amount of pot typically refrained from passing cars and drove at a more consistent speed. The analysis also confirmed that marijuana taken alone does not increase a driver's risk of causing an accident.

A major study done by the UK Transport Research Laboratory in 2000 found that drivers under the influence of cannabis were more cautious and less likely to drive dangerously. The study examined the effects of marijuana use on drivers through four weeks of tests on driving simulators. The study was commissioned specifically to show that marijuana was impairing, and the british government was embarrassed with the study's conclusion that "marijuana users drive more safely under the influence of cannabis."

More..

http://www.tripme.co.nz/drugs-topmenu...

HAHAHAH I love how all the morons come out spouting off with the wild belief and misinformation but nobody addresses the real topic. PEOPLE WILL GROW MARIJUANA WHEN IT IS LEGAL THERE BY NEGATING ANY TAX COLLECTION. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

Regarding traffic collisions and pot smokers. Here is the straight scoop present days data (AKA 2009), not from 26 years ago as loonpt tries to use. What couldn't find a study from 1926 upholding your claims?

Smoking pot doubles (sometimes triples) the chances of being in a fatal car accident.

http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/...

From 2005 (sorry I didn't go back to the '80s loonpt), study that pot smokers are again twice as likely to be in a fatal accident.

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/ne...

And here is proof that it is already happening, Dispensary linked to fatal car crash.

http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/state...

And the idiotic argument that since something else is already legal (aka alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, sugar, fill in the blank...) means that everything that harms us should be legal is such an asinine argument do you actually expect to be taken serious? Why not argue that since guns are legal and can kill people we should let people own heat seeking ground to surface missiles???? Right??? I mean come on!!! If I can own a gun we should really legalize missiles in order to stop the black-market in missiles and stop financing the terror gangs plaguing the underground missile market. Does this argument even make sense to you people using it when you are not high?

I would have a lot more respect for people that say "Hey, I want pot legal so I can get high." That I can understand and appreciate. All these other reasons are nothing but bunk and you know it. Taxes won't come rolling in, as a society we will be less safe, and we will pay for it in various ways. If people educate themselves and know what they are getting into before legalizing pot then fine. But I take exception to this mound of misinformation coming from the pro-pot forum when these people know very well what they propose will never happen.

TAXES WILL NOT COME ROLLING IN AS PEOPLE WILL GROW IT THEMSELVES.

If you clicked on the damn link I posted you'd see that I have 26 years worth of studies, but I couldn't fit them in one post.

That means I win.

I'm also a better driver than you. Which means I win again.

How will somebody living in an apartment grow their own? In their closet?? Why would they do that if they can just go buy some? Do a lot of people who smoke cigarettes grow their own tobacco?

By the way, I'm not supporting taxation on cannabis at all. I think we need to drastically reduce the size and scope of government. On that note, simply using the current sales tax system would in fact generate a lot of money for the state.

Where we will also save with legalization, will be enforcement costs, court costs, imprisonment costs, etc..

Also, it is immoral to use force against another individual when they have not hurt anyone, stolen anything or caused damage to property.

You site a source "tripme.co.nz" as a reference of factual information and expect to be taken serious?

From their home page "PartyPillsHigh.Com" and "Raving - The ravers guide. Tips, tricks and hot chicks. HOLLAAA"

I'm sure Hightimes magazine also agrees with your point of view too.

Yeah you are a force to be reckoned with buddy.

You're a joke kid; when you want to have an intelligent debate come back with some reputable sources.

Oh and apartment dwellers: hmm I wonder if anyone uses hydroponics to grow weed: I wonder: Are you really this dumb?

I can grow 5 plants in a bedroom closet. The street value would be about $800 to $1000 a plant. Wouldn't you grow a "weed" instead of paying $4000 to $5000 for it? You're an idiot if you say you would buy it. But then again I think we all know what you are. LOL

I cited a link which contained several links to actual scientific studies. Don't shoot the messenger.

But thanks for the lack of thought and consideration.

Why on earth do you think that the value of cannabis will be as high as you say once it is legalized?

If ANYBODY could pay their rent by legally growing 5 plants in their closet, then EVERYBODY will attempt to pay their rent by legally growing 5 plants in their closet.. Then the market would be flooded and the prices would come down to almost nothing.

You are discrediting yourself with your own logic and reasoning. Anybody with any sense of logic is not agreeing with what you are saying.

We have over a dozen dispensaries, thousands of patients and tens of thousands of cannabis users in SB, and you have to come up with a gangster driving through Ventura in the middle of the night from Compton to find a bad driver using cannabis??

I mean, come on, are you for real? Think about it. Probably 10-20% of the people on the freeway around you are stoned.. and I guarantee they are the ones driving the most cautiously and defensively.

I will not take a stand on legalization, but I do want to disagree with those who say users will grow their own. Many people could grow their own vegetables, but choose to buy them in the store. I am sure the results will be the same for marijuana users. Please note the prior comment about apartment dwellers. They do not have enough room in their closets now so why would they want to put up with the lack of space and the redolent aroma?

In The Whoa, you are ignorant, or so you can understand- you is ignea-ant!

Why would I grow a tomato when I can purchase it for pennies? Would that change if the item you are purchasing costs $25 for a small amount or $800 to $1000 a plant? Hmmm: I guess people don't like to use logic. And you say the price of the weed will go down. Really? Maybe you should inform all the pro-pot people that because all their material that I read they use present day numbers and values in figuring tax revenue if pot was legal and taxed. Hmmm seems like they want to have it both ways. Maybe they're overinflating their numbers?

Or little girls like AZ2SB who don't have anything useful to add and are unable to dispute fact. How old are you? 12? Thanks for proving my point.

"Probably 10-20% of the people on the freeway around you are stoned.."

Really, then if it was legal how many more people will be stoned driving? And then die because of fatal traffic accidents?

I've already proven people stoned are 200 to 300% more likely to be invovled in a fatal traffic collision. Your logic is faulty and you contridict yourself.

Actually, if you look back at the comments you were the one that started with the name calling buddy. The ones that over inflate the prices are usually law enforcement officials who try to make their busts bigger. If you want facts check out NORML.org and get in the know. By the way unofficially one dispensary in the Bay Area paid $900,000 in sales a tax for one year. It is unofficial because those numbers aren't supposed to be disclosed by officials, but were, just to look at the revenue potential of marijuana. One shop for sales tax only. Open it for the public and put a tobacco type tax and watch that number get much bigger. As for who will pay for law enforcement of DUI's the same people who pay for them now-the offenders. As far as accidents are concerned; you figure a solution that will eliminate people from making bad choices and I am with you, but don't come out with some Nazi b.s. to control the people because it doesn't work.

InTheKnow, I provided studies that contradicted your study. Your study was funded by the people who sell alcohol and tobacco, because they want a monopoly on legal drug usage in this country. That is why your study is flawed, and that is why it contradicts all known logic and only people who are illogical actually buy what you're selling. Do you own a bar here in town or something? If cannabis were legalized, then people would drink less and consume more cannabis. Fatal accidents would go down because less people would be driving drunk. Cannabis usage by itself has no negative effect on driving, and if anything makes a driver safer who consensually gets behind the wheel.

Yeah, what drugs are you taking In The Know? You are supposed to smoke it not drink it!

LOL and you use a pro pot site (NORML) as a reference still. Why not go to the higtimes website, I'm sure they have a wealth of knowledge to back your claims. Keep playing kid, each posts makes you seem more retarded. HAHAHA Everyone is laughing at you!!!! LOL

"consensually gets behind the wheel."

Really? Consensually? Trying to use big words that you don't know what they mean? LOL Did the driver make a pact with the car? Try looking the words up buddy before you use them, you would seem less idiotic. LOL I hear laughter!!!

LOL? I use pro-pot websites and you use pro-propaganda websites. How about using facts instead of hype Adolf, er, I mean In The Know?

Yeah... webmd.com and about.com are really pro-prpaganda sites... right... Is that the best you have? What a joke.

I guess all those ads they have on webmd.com are not bought by big corporate sponsors, right? Let me see about.com-same thing. Marijuana the gateway drug? Of course alcohol is not counted as a drug so propagandists like yourself feel better about your drug of choice. Heil In The Know!

BTW, look at the ads on NORML.org.

You are really grasping at straws here! LOL Come on you and I both know you are wrong. You are just acting childish now. Watch out kids the big bad corporations will get you while you sleep!!! OOOHHHHH Scary!!! What a joke!!!

http://www.webmd.com/about-webmd-poli...

http://www.aboutmediakit.com/about/

Okay, so one is owned by the New York Times and the will only accept advertisements from reputable $pon$er$. Either ways you are a dinosaur whose ideas are about to become extinct, because the end of prohibition is near. No propaganda you can spew will change that. Even people who don't use marijuana agree with ending this prohibition. Alright buddy, so keep your goosestepping, fist waving, reefer-phobic arse on your porch and have another cold one while the rest of America has their drug of choice whichever way they want it.

Oh the irony... you make assumptions about me merely because I use my freedom of speech? LOL
If people want to legalize marijuana then fine; but they should be educated as to their choice. It isn't going to solve our budget problems by taxing it, the argument that there are other things "bad" for use that is legal doesn't justify legalizing one more harmful thing for us, and it isn't medicine. If the majority of people want it legal in order to smoke it to get high then fine, but they have to deal with the ramifications. Not this made up bologna that you are pushing. And I haven't bitten on you rhetoric about the Nazi theme: how long are you going to continue down that dead end?

I've sited credible medical sources. You cite marijuana uses. Sorry seems like you lost this time buddy.

It seems like you've finely surrendered in this last post. What a joke.