Santa Barbara County Elections
District Attorney:
Joyce Dudley — 31,811 votes (54.11 percent)
Joshua Lynn — 26,791 votes (45.57 percent)
2nd District Supervisor, Santa Barbara County:
Janet Wolf — 9,593 votes (52.83 percent)
Dan Secord — 8,538 votes (47.02 percent)
Measure J, City of Carpinteria:
No — 2,209 votes (70.06 percent)
Yes — 944 votes (29.94 percent)
County Treasurer-Tax Collector:
Harry Hagen — 30,570 votes (58.35 percent)
Michael Cheng — 8,369 votes (15.98 percent)
Gregory Gandrud — 8,053 votes (15.37 percent)
Polly Holcombe — 5,207 votes (9.94 percent)
District and Statewide Contests
Governor, Democratic Party Nomination:
(top two)
Jerry Brown — 1,478,752 votes (84.1 percent)
Richard Aguirre — 71,493 votes (4.1 percent)
Governor, Republican Party Nomination:
(top two)
Meg Whitman — 1,101,528 votes (64.2 percent)
Steve Poizner — 461,823 votes (26.9 percent)
35th State Assembly District Democratic Party Nomination:
Das Williams — 18,502 votes (61.4 percent)
Susan Jordan — 11,635 votes (38.6 percent)
23rd Congressional District Republican Party Nomination:
Tom Watson — 11,554 votes (35.9 percent)
John Davidson — 7,342 votes (22.8 percent)
Dave Stockdale — 5,418 votes (16.8 percent)
Clark Vandeventer — 5,076 votes (15.7 percent)
Carol Lee Miller — 2,837 votes (8.8 percent)
24th Congressional District Democratic Party Nomination:
Timothy Allison — 15,530 votes (47.5 percent)
Marie Panec — 9,693 votes (29.7 percent)
Shawn Stern — 7,486 votes (22.8 percent)
Statewide Ballot Initiatives
Prop. 13 — Property Tax Exemption on Seismic Retrofits:
Yes — 3,200,194 votes (84.5 percent)
No — 588,582 votes (15.5 percent)
Prop. 14 — Top Two Vote-Getters ‘Open’ Primary:
Yes — 2,077,100 votes (54.2 percent)
No — 1,761,410 votes (45.8 percent)
Prop. 15 — Allows Public Financing for Candidates, Secretary of State:
Yes — 1,593,698 votes (42.5 percent)
No — 2,147,745 votes (57.5 percent)
Prop. 16 — Two-thirds Vote Requirement for Local Providers:
Yes — 1,830,278 votes (47.5 percent)
No — 2,015,297 votes (52.5 percent)
Prop. 17 — Auto Insurance Continuous Policy Driver Rate Change:
Yes — 1,848,768 votes (47.9 percent)
No — 2,004,410 votes (52.1 percent)
Local Measures
Measure K — Maintain Santa Barbara County Bed Tax:
Yes — 41,175 votes (71.23 percent)
No — 16,629 votes (28.77 percent)
Measure L — Hope School District Bond Extension:
Yes — 2,454 votes (67.45 percent)
No — 1,184 votes (32.55 percent)
Paul Wellman
Anti-Measure J crowd, including (pictured L to R) Dick Weinberg, Ted Rhodes, and Donna Jordan celebrate at Cabo’s Baja Grill and Cantina in Carpinteria, June 8, 2010
[UPDATE, 1:05 a.m.] As of early Wednesday morning, it seems all but certain that Santa Barbara’s next District Attorney will be Joyce Dudley. She’s currently leading her opponent Josh Lynn by more than 5,000 votes — 31,811 to 26,791. As more than 33 percent of all ballots have been cast — and the county’s registrar of voters is keeping his fingers crossed that there will be at least a 40 percent turnout — it’s unlikely that Lynn will be able to make up that much ground.
The Indy‘s Chris Meagher reported, though, that Lynn was not in the least downtrodden by the reality that the DA’s race will likely go to his opponent. “I feel great,” he said. “This was never about me, it was about what I thought the vision of the office should be.” Meagher noted that Lynn deflected the question of whether he would remain in the office if and when Dudley takes charge. “The office is way bigger than myself or Joyce,” he said. When Meagher pointed out that the turnout at Harry’s was impressive, Lynn reportedly responded, “for the party, anyway,” sarcastically referencing his low election numbers.
Earlier in the evening, a happy, boisterous crowd of supporters packed into Pascucci on State Street to cheer on Dudley. Arriving late — she had reportedly been watching initial results at home with family — Dudley was hesitant to begin her victory speech without first hearing from Lynn who she thought might call and concede defeat. In attendance were Sheriff Bill Brown, Mayor Helene Schneider, and a number of other elected officials.
At the Boathouse restaurant near Hendry’s Beach, Janet Wolf — who has pulled ahead of Secord, 9,593 votes to 8,538 — said she was feeling good, and that the votes seemed to be trending in the right direction. Keeping company with supervisors Doreen Farr and Salud Carbajal, Wolf said of Secord: “He ran a strong campaign with a lot of money behind him.” But, she noted, “The people looked at what he was proposing and looked at my record — and that’s how they voted.”
[UPDATE, 11:58 p.m.:] Barring any dramatic, unforeseen developments, it appears that the Democratic candidate in the state’s 23rd Congressional District election will be Das Williams. Just before midnight on Tuesday, he led Susan Jordan by 16,928 votes to her 10,505.
At his victory party at SOhO Restaurant and Music Club in downtown Santa Barbara — which was attended by upward of 100 rowdy, excited people — Williams spoke to Indy reporter Matt Kettmann. “[It’s] an incredible thing to have people know me enough that they don’t believe the negative attack ads,” he said, in reference to the increasingly defacing mailers sent out by his challenger, Susan Jordan, which lambasted him for supporting PXP’s proposed drilling project off the coast of Lompoc. “We had to play a little defense,” said Williams (as he alluded to his own ads that were widely regarded as similarly negative), “but we stayed focused on the issues.
Before his speech to the crowd, said Kettmann, Williams was thankful for the widespread support he received in Santa Barbara and beyond. “This really has a lot to do with people being focused on the most important issues, not secondary issues,” he said. “They concentrated on real issues like public education and getting jobs to the middle class.” Selma Rubin, the longtime matriarch of local grassroots environmentalism, was tickled pink that Williams — who she reportedly called one night and essentially convinced to run — would be representing the liberals come November.
“I’m very excited,” she said. “Das ran a very good campaign — it was positive all the way through,” noting that his ads in answer to Jordan’s were fair. “He had to fight back. We couldn’t let him not fight back.” Rubin relayed to Kettmann that she feels Williams will be a great advocate for the liberal-minded Santa Barbara and Ventura communities, stating, “It’s so nice to be on the right side.” She also expressed optimism that Williams will take meetings with her once he’s up in Sacramento, something that Pedro Nava and Tony Strickland, she said, wouldn’t do.
Taking the stage toward the end of the evening, Williams — with more than a dash of Obama-esque rhetoric — told the crowd that he was enormously humbled at the opportunity to represent the Democratic party in the 35th District race. “This is symbolic of what happens when people work together to create change,” he said to the crowd, some of whom were wearing “Dasome” T-shirts. Personally thanking Rubin — whose support, he said, made all the difference — Williams went on to say how pleased he was that his campaign brought divergent sections of the Democratic party together for a single cause, stating, “It’s all of you working together that creates change … This is going to be a unified Democratic party,” he promised.
Lastly, Williams was gracious in reaching out to Jordan, who he said, “fought on the right side of important issues. We need to recognize that,” he went on. “We need to thank her for her work and reach out to her supporters.” Telling the crowd that they should let loose on the night of celebration, Williams also reminded everyone that much effort lies ahead. “There’s a lot of work that still needs to be done,” he said. The audience, at the end of the address, starting chanting, “Das, Das, Das … ” as everyone stamped their feet in unison.
[UPDATE, 11:30 p.m.]: When, a couple of hours ago, it appeared that Dan Secord was within striking distance of unseating 2nd District Supervisor Janet Wolf, spirits were high at the harbor’s Endless Summer Bar Café. The race was so close at that point, noted Independent reporter Nick Welsh, that the ever-changing polling numbers mirrored the ping-ponging score of the Lakers game that was being broadcast on the patio’s TV.
Secord, constantly checking his Blackberry while around 40-50 friends and family generally kept their attention locked on the game, appeared positive, said Welsh. But, Secord conceded, votes could be trickling in for days — and thousands of absentee ballots have yet to be tallied — so he wouldn’t speculate on his chances quite yet. He lamented the fact that people, for the most part, filled out and sent in their ballots before the election really revved up, and before he was able to really hammer on his opponent.
More recently at the restaurant, reported Ethan Stewart — as the gap between Wolf and Secord widened (8,389 for Wolf and 7,549 for Secord) — Secord’s support team began to thin out not long after the provided food was gobbled up. It was discovered later on in the evening that the patio TV which had been broadcasting the Lakers game (and which was planned on being used to watch election results) didn’t get county channels since the restaurant subscribes only to Direct TV’s sports packages. Secord soon jumped on a laptop to check the latest news. A few bar patrons, The Indy‘s Stewart reported, cheered loudly in the patio’s direction when Wolf’s increasing lead was announced.
Meanwhile, after leaving the Endless Summer Café and heading to the Nugget Restaurant in Summerland, Welsh reported on Tom Watson’s camp. Watson, who’s vying for the Republican nomination in the race for 23rd Congressional District (and who is so far leading the four-person pack at 7,975 votes) admitted to Welsh that he feels the district — long held by Lois Capps — will be tough for any conservative to win. Amidst the group of 40-50 Republicans, Welsh said, one of the supporters praised Watson for being a “bright spot of the Republican Party.”
[UPDATE, 10:22 p.m.]:Matt Kettmann reported earlier that, amidst the cheers and shouts directed at the Lakers game on the TV at Harry’s Plaza Cafe, DA candidate Josh Lynn and his supporters waited anxiously for the first round of numbers to come in. Because the channel kept getting flipped between the game and the elections channel, and because most people didn’t seem to be paying any mind to the forthcoming announcements, Lynn took to checking his iPhone.
After learning that he trailed rival Joyce Dudley by more than 3,000 votes so far, Lynn expressed a bit of worry, reportedly saying that he thought the early results were from absentee ballots — which tend to come from conservative voters — and that the first round of numbers “could be a bad sign.” While more and more people gathered around iPhones and iPads, Kettmann noted, Lynn started conducting TV interviews right away. While a number of deputy district attorneys and DA’s Office employees milled about the relatively crowded restaurant, Kettmann said, a few recollected past elections. “Remember when we used to have to wait until midnight for the results?” someone said to former Sheriff Jim Thomas who was also in attendance.
Later in the evening, reported Chris Meagher, those at Harry’s were in high spirits as more people began to show up in support of Lynn.
[UPDATE, 9:36 p.m.]: Indy reporter Chris Meagher called in from “Election Central” — this year located at the county’s Goleta campus off of Calle Real — earlier this evening. He said things were quiet just minutes before voting results were announced at 8 p.m., and he was initially kept company only by a News-Press radio reporter and a woman controlling the door.
Not long after that, though, Meagher said that 2nd District Supervisor Janet Wolf showed up with her family. Accompanying them was Wolf’s assistant Mary O’Gorman and campaign consultant Mary Rose. As the numbers stand now, Wolf has received just under 300 more votes than her challenger, Dr. Dan Secord.
Also at headquarters was former Assemblymember Hannah-Beth Jackson, Mayor Helene Schneider, Assemblymember Pedro Nava and his wife, Susan Jordan, (who’s running for the seat he will soon vacate), MarBorg’s Mario Borgatello, and campaign consultant Jeremy Lindaman. Prior to the results being announced, Susan Jordan said she was “feeling pretty good,” reported Meagher. “We handled ourselves with integrity and honesty,” she said. “Now it’s certainly up to the voters.” Jordan, said Meagher, seemed rather confident and calm, as did Nava, who casually walked about the room.
Because the election channel on the provided TV was too slow for peoples’ tastes in broadcasting the results, hard-copy packets of polling numbers were passed around, Meagher said. As everyone quietly flipped through their papers, Rose turned to Wolf, saying, “This is the more conservative end of the votes,” referencing the fact there are still many absentee ballots that have yet to be counted, and assuring her client that her slim lead may widen in the days to come. Wolf, Meagher reported, said, “it’s always better to be ahead, but we need to see more returns.” When the first return came back in 2006, Wolf trailed her rivals.
Meagher — speaking with Joe Holland, the county’s registrar of voters — reported that the first batch of ballots from precincts didn’t arrive to election headquarter until around 8:45 p.m., and that they will continue to trickle in through the night. Some ballots, said Holland, can take a while to arrive as they have to travel from Santa Maria and Lompoc.
He also noted that, when all is said and done, 20,000 ballots will have been cast at the polling stations, and that around 10,000 vote-by-mail ballots will be dropped off in the next few days. “For the races that aren’t close,” Holland said, “it’s going to be an uphill battle.” Meagher quoted Holland as saying that he hopes to see a 40 percent voter turnout in Santa Barbra County.
Amidst all the action, Schneider told Meagher that while things are looking good, in her opinion, she’s happy she’s not running this time around.
As TVs in Santa Barbara bars and restaurants are switched from the Lakers’ game to the election results station, candidates are beginning their nights of loud celebration or quiet disappointment. They’re scattered about the coast — from Susan Jordan in Ventura to Das Williams in downtown Santa Barbara — but our reporters out in the field will be bringing you coverage late into the evening.
Here, though, are the straight numbers that were announced just a few minutes ago, and be sure to check back in for constant updates and additional results.



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you ignorant hippe S.O.BS JUST COST FAMILYS A LIVING. measure j would have made a huge differance in the economy . maybe now when you purchase foriegn oil it will fund terriost attacks on innocent americans, but you only think of yourselves in the land of money and green peace
rsully (anonymous profile)
June 8, 2010 at 8:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yo rsully
Why don't you move to Louisiana, plenty of oil on the beach for you to wallow in.
EZK (anonymous profile)
June 8, 2010 at 8:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Capinteria residents voted to send petrodollars to the Middle East instead of the USA.
The Middle East governments will be well funded so they can
1) Discriminate against women
2) Discriminate against people of different religions
3) Discriminate against different races
4) Enact barbarous punishments for people who steal or commit adultery
5) Fund Terrorism
6) Kill American soldiers
e_male (anonymous profile)
June 8, 2010 at 9:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Why oil? Try solar, wind, etc - clean energy. Then what the ME does is their own business as long as we don't send soldiers over there to be killed.
tabatha (anonymous profile)
June 8, 2010 at 9:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Both rsully and e-male assume that oil is the future, its already the past. No scare tactics, bullying, fearmongering can change that fact. Carp residents voted to protect their community and our coast. Its people who propagate our continued reliance on oil who are killing our soldiers and jeopardizing the future of our nation and planet for their own selfish economic interests. Sounds almost like treason.
The future is green and renewable energy and the future is now. Its not going to happen over night, but its happening whether we want it to or not. Despoiling our environment and uglifying our towns isn't going to slow it down.
EZK (anonymous profile)
June 8, 2010 at 9:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well said, EZK. In addition to that I'd like to add that the oil in question here wouldn't go to us anyway. And even if it did, it would be but a mere drop in the bucket.
California depends on foreign oil...if you consider Alaska, Mexico and Canada foreign.
Native1 (anonymous profile)
June 8, 2010 at 9:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
rsully's right: if our money goes to fund terriosts, we're all to blame, especially if that turns out to be a bad thing, which of course depends on what a terriost is
rodney_x (anonymous profile)
June 8, 2010 at 9:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thank you EZK. I am another Carpinteria teacher against Measure J and I am so relieved!!!
msmelody1 (anonymous profile)
June 8, 2010 at 9:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rodney, linking terrorist money into this is not only completely wrong it's ignorant to the facts of this Measure.
Native1 (anonymous profile)
June 8, 2010 at 10:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
rodney_x - Are there terrorists in Alaska, Mexico and Canada? That is where we get out oil.
tabatha (anonymous profile)
June 8, 2010 at 10:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The vote was to get Venoco to go through proper channels (city council) to get their drilling platform. They gambled and tried to circumvent the existing structure of city government b/c they thought it would be easier.
Now they face an uphill climb to get this done. I hope they try to work with Carpinterians to make this happen in a less intrusive, more safe way because the revenue would certainly be useful to a great town like Carp if they can mitigate the town's concerns!
BigD (anonymous profile)
June 8, 2010 at 10:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Problem with some folks is that they think if they say something long enough and LOUDLY enough that it will be true. While alternative energies are a necessity of the future, they are still, in any realistically impactful volumes, in the future. Those who believe that oil is already the past should simply park their cars and bike or walk EVERYWHERE, don't get on an airplane, eliminate all plastics from their lives, and pretty much quit eating (how d'ya think the farmers grow all that food? horse-drawn plows?). They will quickly learn that oil is still very much in the present.
And much as the no oilers would like to ignore this fact, every barrel of oil we import is paid with money we borrow from China and send to the Middle East. Think REAL hard about what that means....
Interesting comment in the LA Times today, opining that the true culprits behind the BP disaster are the environazis who blocked drilling on land and in shallow water (are you listening, SB enviros?) thus forcing risky deep water exploration and drilling. Kinda makes ya go hmmmmm....
JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
June 8, 2010 at 10:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Only makes me go "hmm" who do you think you're fooling "JohnLocke"
It wasn't the LA Times who said "environazis" were to blame for the gulf oil ecocide but an ignorant drug addicted radio personality, not any LA Times story itself. And here "John Locke" shows the deceitful, dishonest methods of his ilk.
I choose to skateboard or walk whenever possible, and like many others in this community have long been proactive in getting off oil and all its by products. But people like JohnLocke" will always try to deceive and twist and distort.
Shallow or deep water, drilling in the ocean must end. Its really the "JohnLocke" types who are worried about any inconvenience yet they'll immediately suggest a Luddite existence for those of us who have already taken steps and retained both civilization and amenities with little if any inconvenience.
What are you doing "John Locke" besides hiding behind discreditted political theory and drugaddled media personalities?
EZK (anonymous profile)
June 8, 2010 at 10:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Blaming environmentalists for the Gulf Oil Ecocide is like blaming the Anti-Nazi league for the Holocaust.
EZK (anonymous profile)
June 8, 2010 at 10:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
JohnLocke-look in to what Germany has done with solar energy (with the amount of "sunshine" that they get vs. what we here in SoCal get!) and you will see how easy it is to become less dependent on oil for energy...
msmelody1 (anonymous profile)
June 8, 2010 at 10:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Don't you love people that attempt to label people/things with words they have come up with all by themselves.
It's so wonderful to see the creative mind at work, pairing nouns with no apparent relationship together to make a whole new word that fits their need for expressing an idea that makes very little sense.
Hmmmm...Perhaps that's why there is no preexisting word for that notion. Because it makes no sense!!
So, Mr. Locke, "environazis"?
Since you can't make reference to anything THE John Locke might have had in mind like British Empiricism (oh, by the way that's short for the British EMPIRE), you're reference must be to the Tabula Rasa....
Tranquilo mi amigos..this particular "rasa" has to do with much the same neighborhood idea, but is more concerned with neighborhood as a concept of a group of people who govern themselves. Kind of a government run by the governed....
Hmmm John Locke, that sounds like a local election doesn't it???? And look how that turned out. The Government run by the governed has no interest in this bargain you call a "good deal" for Carp.
And don't worry about that "deep water" exploration threat. That oil is owned by BP...that's "Brithish" Petroleum, not "American" Petroleum. It's not helping our economy one bit.
You want to help the "governed" figure this out Mr. Locke, why not tell these people what percent of the oil coming from the Gulf of Mexico, PalinLand and just about everywhere else on US soil is actually owned by a US company.
Hmmmm, but that might be to much information for the "governed".
KUhawks77 (anonymous profile)
June 8, 2010 at 10:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
BTW
Water is the next oil; if pollution, consumption and climate patterns continue as they are. In fact in some places in the world it already is.
EZK (anonymous profile)
June 8, 2010 at 11:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
>>"I choose to skateboard or walk whenever possible"
Seriously? We're getting lectured by someone that uses a skateboard?
At least he's putting his old SAT flashcards to good use.
Pinatubo (anonymous profile)
June 8, 2010 at 11:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
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Pinatubo (anonymous profile)
June 8, 2010 at 11:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Excuse you Pinatubo? Is there something wrong with using a skateboard for transportation? Are you really that desperate to imply that there is?
EZK (anonymous profile)
June 9, 2010 at 12:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow! Well at least we know the "blogg-a-sphere" is safe and sound...and taking callers...holy cow!
Don't you just love the word.......
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Trounced!
Yeah Das!
Thanks for the PSA for SB Channels...and all!
emenzies (Elizabeth Menzies)
June 9, 2010 at 12:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I guess you NO voters realize that you ARE supporting terrorists when you buy their oil. Alternative energies are (part of) the future but y'all ought to listen to some real oilmen like T. Boone Pickens and get yer heads straight. Meanwhile quit driving your SUVs!
And when you get more facts (or grow desperate for revenue) that "evil" oil drilling won't look so evil after all... The hysteria (some of it righteous) over the Gulf spill killed Measure J--not facts. Never mind the two projects are different as night and day!!!
Fear factor vs. facts... Yup, you brainiacs down in Carp sure showed us all... You deserve the world of economic hurt you've rained down on your town...
maximum (anonymous profile)
June 9, 2010 at 1:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ditto!
sixdolphins (anonymous profile)
June 9, 2010 at 2:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Ditto"?...you provincial putz!
KehlogAlbran (anonymous profile)
June 9, 2010 at 2:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
If the Yes side of J would of talked about the fact that onshore drilling is safer the offshore. Instead of calling anyone thinking of the environment is a terrorists, WTF! Who ever ran the campaign is responsible for the loss, any anger should be directed to them. Rsully I'm sorry you lost a Job, you can get a job as a editor at the news press. Maximum, stop watching Fox news!
bigjim (anonymous profile)
June 9, 2010 at 6:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"true culprits behind the BP disaster are the environazis who blocked drilling on land and in shallow water "
Is that why there was an argument on the rig when BP decided to go against the normal practice of using mud (because it was costing $750,000 a day) and used lighter sea-water instead? Boy, they sure saved some money.
No, it is the lack of regulations and oversight that caused the disaster. It is also the lack of foresight of moving away from oil earlier - Carter was right. But Reagan and others supported oil and tore down those solar panels on the WH.
tabatha (anonymous profile)
June 9, 2010 at 7:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Maximum, did you ever consider that while the Gulf disaster is what put the nail in the Paredon project, the fact that Venoco ran a hostile, disrespectful and at times outright deceitful campaign for this project may have had something to do with it's downfall.
If you want to talk facts vs fiction, it applies more towards the project itself than the reasons to have voted against it.
Almost anything that was said in favor of the drilling was either an outright lie or it was a "fact" about a benefit that could be severely mitigated by other factors once the drilling started. If you can't see that, then you're blinded to the real facts or just ignorant of how things work in the real world, outside of what a business campaign tells you.
As for your braniac comment, well.....all I can say to that is that I'm proud of my community for putting this monster to bed. Maybe you'd have a slightly different perspective if you owned property near this proposal.
Native1 (anonymous profile)
June 9, 2010 at 7:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The Quackster blames early voting for his loss? Now I've heard everything.
BTW KehlogAlbran: great quote!
GregMohr (anonymous profile)
June 9, 2010 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Anybody who thinks it is absolutely obscene for American soldiers to die for oil profits, raise your hand. Anybody remember any country who refused to sell their oil to the highest bidder, raise your hand. What's this BS about linking environmentally minded people with dead American soldiers? Could it possibly be..... let me guess.... ahhhh... perhaps American politicians who put our soldiers on the line for oil interests? Don't be a dumb dog who chases the frisbee off into left field, follow the arm that threw it and latch on. Hold our politicians accountable, and remember to vote.
And, Canada is our largest foreign oil provider... that, too.
FreshA (anonymous profile)
June 9, 2010 at 9:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Only 904 yes votes for "J"; that is one heck-of-an expensive loss; give or take, $2200 p/vote...wow
laszlo (Laszlo Hodosy)
June 9, 2010 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
FreshA needs to learn how to organize thoughts and write a convincing argument.
"Anybody who thinks it is absolutely obscene for American soldiers to die for oil profits, raise your hand. "
I raise my hand, and I suppose this means something to FreshA, but I have not idea what is the purpose.
"Anybody remember any country who refused to sell their oil to the highest bidder, raise your hand."
All countries sell to the highest bidder. I am not following you.
"What's this BS about linking environmentally minded people with dead American soldiers?"
This question would be more convincing if it was written as a statement.
FreshA is only thinking about the environment and not thinking about the consequences of protecting the environment. In this case, protecting the California environment, means fighting wars in the Middle East.
"Don't be a dumb dog who chases the frisbee off into left field, follow the arm that threw it and latch on. "
"Hold our politicians accountable, and remember to vote."
I am offended to be compared to a dog, however, I do hold politicians accountable. I also hold voters accountable.
"And, Canada is our largest foreign oil provider... that, too."
The USA should be producing oil so we are energy independent.
e_male (anonymous profile)
June 9, 2010 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)
We don't have to produce oil to be energy independent, only the oil companies want you to think that.
EZK (anonymous profile)
June 9, 2010 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Said the kid on the skateboard.
Pinatubo (anonymous profile)
June 9, 2010 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Those who voted no on J aren't necessarily against domestic oil production. Carpinteria has been the home to domestic petroluem production for many, many years. Part of daily life in Carp is co-existing with a processing facility and everything associated.
It is a major producer of carbon monoxide and volatile organic compounds which are all release into the fine air of Carpinteria. Those who have walked by the facility and experienced that noxious smell know what I'm talking about. The crew boats which are used several times daily belch out thick black smoke as they idle at the pier. Additionally, I invite you to take one look at the place and try and tell yourself the facility is well maintained. It's an eyesore.
If you do enough web searching you'll also find this facility's record is less than desirable:
"Notice of Violation Issued 3/21/2007 for failing to submit a comprehensive and accurate Air Toxics Emissions Inventory Report (ATEIR). The ATEIR submitted for reporting year 1999 contained false and misleading data in the form of grossly inadequate engine stack heights that resulted in the misrepresentation of the toxic risk created by this facility." - http://www.sbcapcd.org/airtoxics/toxs...
"How safe could it be when the Air Pollution Control District (APCD) has listed Venoco's Carpinteria plant on its annual list of Toxic Hot Spots every year from 1991 to 2008? To be fair, Venoco did not own the plant the whole time, having bought it from Chevron. But 17 years on the Toxic Hot Spot list remains a very dubious achievement. To qualify for this list, one has to generate enough toxic emission in a year to increase the number of cancer deaths for those living nearby by 10 in a million. Given all the fugitive emissions escaping Venoco's safely and efficiently run Carpinteria plant, the APCD concluded the number of additional cancer deaths a year was no fewer than 30, three times the APCD's action threshold." – Nick Welsh, S.B. Independent 4/2/2009.
No on Measure J to me means we do enough here in Carp to support domestic oil production. Good work Carpinteria!
JDD (anonymous profile)
June 9, 2010 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Sounds like enough people are getting cancer to support domestic oil production, a human sacrifice to the Gods of Industry as it were..
EZK (anonymous profile)
June 9, 2010 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If our government didn't move backwards in 1980 (Reagan) & wasn't bought and paid for (still), we could be using green energy by now. Remember the oil crisis? Cars that got 12mpg were moved up to 25mpg in a few years. Has the automotive industry done any improvements since then (1980)? Why? What do they have to gain? It is the corporations that are the real terrorists here, oil and auto makers that refuse to get off the combustion engine and all the money they make off of oil, gas, and maintenance of the stupid thing. Who killed the electric car? Who's killing the planet? Indeed.
spacey (anonymous profile)
June 9, 2010 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
After participating in this debate, I've learned that:
1) The No on J voters think that drilling in Carpinteria will do nothing to disconnect the USA's dependency on foreign oil.
2) The environmental priorities are more important than moral priorities. Protecting the environment is more important than sending money to the immoral governments of the Middle East.
e_male (anonymous profile)
June 9, 2010 at 12:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Lift the veil brother/sister.
spacey (anonymous profile)
June 9, 2010 at 1:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I learned Carpinterians are fearless.
EZK (anonymous profile)
June 9, 2010 at 1:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What killed Measure J was the fear of 24/7 noise and disruption to the residents of Carp, not the environmental BS.
cartoonz (anonymous profile)
June 9, 2010 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
HEY, i got e male to raise his/her hand twice! But he/she still doesn't get it and is still, from somewhere, drawing a conclusion that drilling less in the US is somehow linked to overseas wars. What? If our country thinks it wants or needs something on foreign soil, we are ready to go to war to get it? When that same commodity is readily available on the open market? It's not about countries anyway. It's about big multi-national corporations, who probably don't give much of a fig about any one country or other. They have villas in all the best countries. This situation is preferable, in my opinion, to the cold war, China, USSR & USA all with itchy button fingers & nuclear weapons. Drop drills in elementary school. Warring superpowers vs. renegade terrorists? PEACE.
FreshA (anonymous profile)
June 9, 2010 at 6:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
>>"I learned Carpinterians are fearless."<<
And we learned you are 16 years old.
Pinatubo (anonymous profile)
June 9, 2010 at 10:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow, out done by a sixteen year old.
Camm67 (anonymous profile)
June 9, 2010 at 10:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OH NO! Someone get me some ice for that burn!
That was incredibly clever. There's no way I can compete with this guy. I'm going to log off and cry now.
Pinatubo (anonymous profile)
June 10, 2010 at 12:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow, I just made Michelle Malkin cry.
Camm67 (anonymous profile)
June 10, 2010 at 6:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Just for the record, you guys missed my point entirely.
rodney_x (anonymous profile)
June 10, 2010 at 7:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
AWWWW SNAP! You see what he did there?!? He called me Michelle Malkin! Damn, that's a sick burn, dawg! How will I ever recover from this humiliation!?!
Pinatubo (anonymous profile)
June 10, 2010 at 10:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You ever wonder why so many of us have anonymous profiles?
jomo (anonymous profile)
July 7, 2010 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)