Gator Roll Arrestees Accused of Eastside Attack

I was right yesterday. It is the usual suspects. I guess these thugs did not learn their lesson. Just let out of prison and back to committing crimes again. What is it with these folks.?!
Noticed the list of excusues these guy's have for their behavior. What a crock of Bull......
PLEASE! This time THROW AWAY THE KEY!

Good work by SBPD on investigating this crime. Quick work in going door to door and finding these guys! Great work SBPD, now put them away for a long time please, they are community trash that needs to be taken out.

Careful, Sanity. Your reference to the usual suspects will surely get you in hot water with the "enabler crowd" who will quickly brand your comments as racist. Right, Nitz?

Here's what I don't get...how many crimes/what type of crimes does one have to commit before being hauled off under the Three Strikes law? Or does that only seem to happen to people who steal bread to eat these days?

What the heck is going on here?

Native1, I think it has to be 3 Felony convictions. Must include serious felonies such as armed robbery, assaults, rape etc.
I am sure these characters are close. I am sure they have committed plenty of crimes, it's the convictions that count.

So is this a cultural thing? I was mugged in 1973 by three Hispanic men, in the parking lot at U.C.S.B. They broke my face and kicked me while I was on the ground unconscious, for no reason other than I was alone. These 3 men, after they are convicted, need to get set loose... twenty miles out at sea.

These guys are evil thugs for sure, and yes Mexico certainly seems to have a culture of violence as demonstrated by the recent drug war insane violence with random shootings, beheadings etc. However, we've seen some pretty bad behavior by Southern rednecks and we don't tar all southern whites with the same broad brush. The vast vast majority of immigrants, legal or otherwise, from Mexico are good hard working, religious, family loving people. California's economy would be in a real mess without them because they do work most Californians and others would not or could not do. These guys I agree, lock them up and throw away the key but let's not give in to racist stereotyping.

@SanityNow, yeah, you'd think they were pretty close by now. I guess maybe for some of them, this is their second and for others, they are between convictions. Or, more worryingly, evading conviction for whatever reason. And you're right, I do recall it's specific felonies like those you described.

And GEOB, my cousin was attacked on Victoria Street right outside Art Essentials one quiet Thursday night about 15 years ago. Three guys and a metal pipe, and he was all alone. He was lucky to have recovered without significant brain injury. But he was in the hospital for almost a month.

At the time, we thought this might have been part of a gang initiation, because a lot of people in town seem to have similar stories of someone they know being assaulted in similar ways. Of course, it's hardly ever in the news.

Good post Noletaman, I agree with your sentiments. But calling these guys thugs, losers, usual suspects (they literally ARE!) is not racist stereotyping. We are so PC hypersensitive nowadays about "describing" the felons who commit crimes. It's not racist to say that the majority of the violent gangsters in this town are Hispanic. That is simply not up for debate, just an unfortunate fact. Wishing it away or burying our head in denial so that we don't "offend" doesn't make the problem go away. It's not "racist" to say guys like this should never get out of the pen. Do-gooders with their social programs who think they can turn thugs like this around are endangering the rest of us. Do you want to run into these creeps at night the next time they are out on the street after telling some judge they promise to turn their life around?

Ditto Scooter.

I agree that it's not racist to mention gang members as being responsible for crimes in town.

And we certainly do have a gang problem.

The only problem I have (and nobody here on this thread has said it, let me clarify that upfront) is when people seem to imply that ALL crime in town is gang related or hispanic related. There's a lot of white crime in town. It might not be organized, but it's out there, too.

I would like to address Noletaman'sOctober 14, 2010 at 4:46 p.m. comment.

I agree with about half of what you say. What I don't agree with is that California's economy depends on cheap immigrant labor specifically that "California's economy would be in a real mess without them ".

California's economy is in a HUGE mess. I remember before the mass unlimited influx of cheap labor one could afford to buy a house, and one could get from point A to point B without fighting choking exhaust fumes caused by canyons of vehicles backed up for miles.

The reason people hire these people is because they can work them in unsafe conditions (thus setting the labor movement back about 100 years) because they know that these people are less likely to complain. A cursory look at history shows that when the emphasis of a country is on creating a strong educated middle class, that country tends to do well. (As we once did) When a country creates an underclass such as our country is doing by encouraging no limit to the numbers of immigrants nor the type of immigration it promotes, you will see the explosion of violent crime we are seeing right here in Santa Babylon A.K.A. "Paradise".

Mexico needs to fix it's country, and if the U.S. is complicit with the problems Mexico is having, it needs to do its part to not contribute. I would say we need to get over our delusional belief that cheap labor is someone good, (it's degrading) and also let's talk about the effects of N.A.F.T.A. (since none of the mainstream Democratic Party nor Republican Party operatives would touch the issue of N.A.F.T.A. with a ten-foot-pole.

On the other hand, we can keep scapegoating Mexicans on one end and beating up on ourselves on the other end.

"delusional belief that cheap labor is someTHING good, "

The Immigrant crime rate (speaking illegal or 1st. generation of illegals) seems to be directly proportionate to the crime rates in the Countries they come from. The vast majority of our illegal immigration is from Mexico and Central America. Mexico may have at this time the highest crime rate in the Hemisphere if not most of the World. Not only is their crime rate OUT of CONTROL. The Gov't has admitted, just recently in the news, that less than 5% of the murders and violent crime in Mexico are ever solved and punished. When you add in the mass corruption and crime wave committed by Gov't officials, the Police and the Military you border on anarchy.
Crime is a way of life. Guatemala and El Salvador are not much better. When you have unchecked border crossings of people from these societies you can expect that a larger than normal % a of the criminal mind set comes over with them.
Look at LA. 65,000!!! KNOWN Hispanic gang members. Not Swiss gang members or Swedish or Spanish or Canadian etc.
It is REALLITY. Don't like it. Wish it was not true but it is.
PLENTY of good hard working family loving Hispanics. That is not the point.
Bill, it is not scapegoating but looking at the cold hard reality.

Correct me if I am wrong. Always open to changing my mind.

When I point out about "scapegoating", I am making it clear that I am not attacking Mexican people per se. (Although there are bloggers who feed on the idea that addressing our immigration policy or exposing the danger of idealistic multiculturalism makes one a racist)

What I am going after is the big picture, and making it clear that I'm not going to get sucked into the idea that all (or even most) illegal immigrants are bad people, or (on the other hand) that wanting to live in a country that is safe, where schools can actually educate as opposed to warehousing the ever-increasing "at-risk youth", and where infrastructure trumps political correctness, makes one "nativist" or "racist".

It's a revolving door problems Sanity, both politican parties have vested interest in open borders, and the voters would rather curse the party to which they're opposed rather than change parties, or work to bring their own into line with what is good for the masses.

"It's a revolving door problems Sanity, both politican parties "
"problems" should be problem, and "politician" should be political.

I gotta slow down.

I don't hold grudges. I have no time for hate or fear. I have made the realization that there is no peace without justice. I want everyone to have a wonderful life. I would love for everyone to feel respected, needed and "Valued". The fact is humans are products of their past relationships. If dad was a drunk abuser then what do we expect the children to emulate. However,when a Father tells his children: I love you and I am proud of you. We want you to be a productive person that adds something positive to this world. You are someone who is unique, you have a bright future. When you get an education, work hard and play by the rules, with a bit of luck you will be as proud as you make me today. Then that child will look at life in a positive way. The sad truth is our town is not unique.The children have few positive role models, our would values things and power over honor. Mom and Dad are working too many hours just to make it. Children need nurturing and to be part of the community. Some join a gang to get acceptance and will do those things that gangs have always done to get "respect". SB is no longer an isolated place. People that abuse others have no place in our town.

It certainly is overkill to apply the same stereotype to an entire group of people, but there is some truth to be extracted from these generalities. I grew up in the San Fernando Valley, and most of my friends were Hispanic (I'm Caucasian) while going to school. I went to a magnet school no less, and for the most part we were the same group of friends throughout our years in grade school. In our crew of friends, specifically when we were in high school, there was a "tough guy" mentality that had to be maintained (a couple of my friends were/are obsessed with Tony Montana). Sure we had fun and joked around, but there were moments where I definitely questioned the character of my peers. I just couldn't understand why it was necessary to sustain such a state of mind. It's been 6 years since I graduated high school, and I've only talked to a few of these old chums since then, knowing of at least 2 of them that have been to jail. I guess what I'm trying to get across is that with these 3 guys from this news story being close to my current age, I thought I would provide a contemporary opinion on how, from youth, these individuals can lead a life of crime. Take into consideration that I went to one of the safer schools in LAUSD, then you can start to see how things can go terribly wrong in the not-so-fortunate schools.

GEOB makes an excellent point about parents working too many hours in the day to be around for their kids. This is what happens when people are used as cheap labor.

Where is Charles Bronson when you need him. Someday these maggots are going to get there end of a pipe, one spitting hot lead. But not soon enough if you ask me. These are lying hurts, waiting to happen. The blank stare, the uselessness in their eyes. White, black, brown it is all the same, clinically it is called a sociopath, one who cannot feel empathy, but learns to "appear" normal by observing others. Any person who beats a man to unconsciousness deserves the death penalty as far as I am concerned. Break out the tube with the point and the magic juice inside, three in the chute.

"Where is Charles Bronson when you need him. [sic]"-contactjohn

Do you mean, "where is Bernhard Goetz when you need him?"

funny how people over react on gang crimes...
Latino America is a huge colony of countries whose presidents are cowards in the face of economic imperialism. You see, third world countries are rich places, abundant in resources, and many of these countries have the capacity to feed their starving people and the children we always see digging for food in trash on commercials. But plutocracies, in other words a government run by the rich such as this one and traditionally oppressive European states, force the third world into buying overpriced, unnecessary goods while exporting huge portions of their natural resources.

You see, most of Latinos are here because of the great inflation that was caused by American companies in Latin America. Aside from that, many are seeking a life away from the puppet democracies that were funded by the United States; places like El Salvador, Guatemala, Peru, Colombia, Nicaragua, Ecuador and Republica Dominicana, and not just Spanish-speaking countries either, but Haiti and Jamaica as well.

Yeah sure, that guy laying in the hospital bed clinging to life is sure funny in the way he overreacts. I guess I should just read more of your socio-economic theories so that I'll be able to understand how the Parra brothers are the real victims here!

Ditto again Scooter

Wake up fellow (white?) people - you do NOT own the town of SB, and frankly, every time I revisit my SB hometown (every 12 - 24 months, after moving to the UK 20 years ago), I remember and feel proud and happy of our Hispanic heritage and our Mexican immigrants, many of whom have been my friends over the years.

The problems are not really as 'brown and white' as these commentators would have it. Crime exists in every community, and to make a point about "Mexican", "Hispanic" or "Latin American" criminals seems really pointless to me, when a huge part of my NATIVE Santa Barbaran hometown consists of many law-abiding people who could also come under those labels.

Criminals, including gang members, come in all colours, and all are just as likely to commit crimes as the others (if you don't believe this, have a look at yobbish behaviour in the UK). It's time to recognise criminality and gang culture as it is, and not be sidetracked by racial discrimination or blindness.

Go Scooter!!!!!!!!!

I still agree with my comments yesterday yet afterwards I felt a deep sadness for our community. I ask that we as a community of many colors and religions not let this rip us apart and pray for gorege in whatever bielief we practice and believe in. Light a candle for gorege and his family....God speed gorege we love you.

SanityNow, this information still has nothing to do with gangs in California, who are usually comprised of American citizens.

These are really two completely different things. If you're comparing what crime rates are in other nations, that really has nothing to do with American citizens.

And even if it did, the UK right now has a SOARING crime rate that probably rivals (per capita) most urban areas in the US. Are you going to tell me that British immigrants are inherently predisposed to crime?

I understand what you THINK you're saying. I really do. But you're not focusing finely enough onto the actual problem.

Native1: From what I've heard, England, like Sweden, France and Ireland (if not other nations) has the same Ponzi scam going on as the United States (the lie that cheap immigrant labor is good for the economy) and they are having lots of problems with crime.

Alienated kids results from unassimilated parents who are seen as expendable cogs in the economy. This is something that isn't being discussed.

How about mandatory sterilization for everyone convicted of a violent crime?

Actually, Bill, though most countries you mentioned have the same issues we do with having our society built on the backs of cheap immigrant labor, the main crime in the UK right now is not actually immigrant related. In England, for example, it's English gangs or "yobs"as they call them over there.

Things have gotten so bad, so violent over there that they instituted a new ordinance in the past few years. It's called ASBO (anti-social behavior ordinance) and it is almost like an individualized injunction. If you get one, you're not allowed to fraternize with certain people who are determined by the courts to be instigatory or violent. You have your own curfew and in some cases you have to carry a paper with you so that if the police stop you, they can confirm you have an ABSO.

Too early to tell if they are anything more than a status symbol among these kids yet. But there is really truly awful crime over there right now. And, yes, they have gangs in the UK. And they are mostly English citizens who are involved in them.