UCSB Students Protest with Occupy Movement and Against Tuition Hikes

So much for the stereotype that Occupy is all lazy people and the fantasy that the movement is gone, it's only gotten stronger will get stronger with every act of censorship, repression and violence against it.
Hard to believe the UC system was once free, no reason why it can't be free again really. There's enough money to build prisons there should be enough to educate people.

Santa Barbarians Revolt?

Is UCSB saying school should be free. Are the professors willing to profess sans paycheck? (doubtful)

Do student have a case?

Are said students native born Santa Barbarians?

to be determined by excess or lack thereof - taxpayer dollars.
what other project could be more important?

ARTIFICIAL SURFING REEFS AT ALL HEADLANDS IN SANTA BARBARIAN COUNTY - THAT DON'T ALREADY PRODUCE PERFECT POINT BREAK
re: Rincon

to be adjudicated by jb

"So much for the stereotype that Occupy is all lazy people and the fantasy that the movement is gone, it's only gotten stronger will get stronger with every act of censorship, repression and violence against it."
- Ken_Volok

Look who's fantasizing. The fantasy is that these morons aren't lazy because they sit around in their own urine and feces all day, bitching about the fact that everything isn't free. The fantasy is that this idiotic "movement" means anything to anybody other than the occupooers. The fantasy is that these morons aren't antagonistic, violent and filthy. The fantasy is that this 'movement" is dying a slow unsanitary death.

"Hard to believe the UC system was once free, no reason why it can't be free again really. There's enough money to build prisons there should be enough to educate people."
- Ken_Volok

Free for whom? Was that back in the day when the magical clouds rained money down upon us? Someone always pays for it. I'd like to know where in The Constitution it says that we have a right to a "free" college education. Why don't you ask the UC regents how they justify paying vice chancellors $250K+ a year? Why don't you ask Governor Moonbeam why he signed The Dream Act, putting illegal aliens ahead of Americans? Something you lefties support vehemently. And, we don't have enough money to build prisons. When was the last time California built a state prison? There has been only one state prison built in the last 14 years; Kern Valley State Prison, built in 2005, and it only houses 2,448 inmates. That's nearly 7 years since we built one. Before that, 12 were built in the 90's, 8 were built in the 80's, none were built in the 70's, and the other 13 were built in the 40's, 50's and 60's. It looks as though we have some catching up to do in regard to building more prisons. We'll need a place to put all of those illegal aliens that will pour into California when that hideous Dream Act kicks in.

Don't look now but the numbers are growing! A total rejection of false values, lies, fear and corruption. I guess that's what has some critics really ticked off.

@waz: "I'd like to know where in The Constitution it says that we have a right to a 'free' college education."

While you're little comment is cute and all, the fact is that as tuition is rising, the class size is increasing, student services are decreasing, and the earning potential of the degrees is decreasing. You are paying more for less... and it's being lead by a legislature that has yet to realize that a sizable investment in education is for the long-term economic stability of the state.

@waz: "Why don't you ask the UC regents how they justify paying vice chancellors $250K+ a year? "

UC Administrator salaries are obscene, and it's been a huge issue for years. The fact is the Regents aren't accountable to anyone and hold their positions for 12 years. It's a terrible model and one that needs serious overhauling.

@waz: "There has been only one state prison built in the last 14 years; Kern Valley State Prison, built in 2005, and it only houses 2,448 inmates. That's nearly 7 years since we built one. Before that, 12 were built in the 90's"

That's 23 prisons in the last 20 years compared to three Cal States and one UC. Yeah - that's a wise investment for the economic future of CA. CA spends over $10 billion a year on prisons alone.

@waz: "We'll need a place to put all of those illegal aliens that will pour into California when that hideous Dream Act kicks in."

Statements like this are precisely why I can't take Republicans seriously. The Dream Act will likely generate between $1.5 trillion and $3.5 in taxable income. It's a smart economic move. The opposition to it is BEYOND short sighted - it's plain stupid.

Alabama's moronic illegal immigration law cost the state $40 million (probably more when its all said and done), and is crippling their agricultural base. But hey, at least you get to hate on people, so there's that....

Yeah, HUGE protest on campus, stopped by for lunch & saw 40, maybe 60 people in attendance, an aaverage of 50.
Let's see, out of a student body of ~22,000 students that amounts to ~0.23% participation.
Yeah, those numbers arer GROWING by leaps & bounds there Ken! Keep occupying, make those overpaid "progressive" professors proud!

ETR: "the fact is that as tuition is rising, the class size is increasing, student services are decreasing, and the earning potential of the degrees is decreasing. You are paying more for less... and it's being lead by a legislature that has yet to realize that a sizable investment in education is for the long-term economic stability of the state."

Are you including underwater basketweaving 101 majors? Yeah, they're real useful, especially when they can't find a high paying job & then expect you & me to bail them out of their college loan.

ETR: "UC Administrator salaries are obscene, and it's been a huge issue for years. The fact is the Regents aren't accountable to anyone and hold their positions for 12 years. It's a terrible model and one that needs serious overhauling."

SANCTIFIED BOVINE (that's a Bill Calusen term by the way)! Something we CAN agree on! Is this 1 of the 7 signs?

ETR: "That's 23 prisons in the last 20 years compared to three Cal States and one UC. Yeah - that's a wise investment for the economic future of CA. CA spends over $10 billion a year on prisons alone."

So why is crime increasing? Oh, yeah, "progressive" policies that enable, coddle & appease criminals such as gang members. We're the flagship on that 1 across the board.

ETR: "The Dream Act will likely generate between $1.5 trillion and $3.5 in taxable income. It's a smart economic move. The opposition to it is BEYOND short sighted - it's plain stupid.
Alabama's moronic illegal immigration law cost the state $40 million (probably more when its all said and done), and is crippling their agricultural base. But hey, at least you get to hate on people, so there's that...."

As an immigrant to this country, my mom & me did it LEGALLY. There's a reason the term "ILLEGAL immigration" exists, but the "progressives" seem to want to overlook that simple fact.
The other fact is we have the most lax immigration policies on Earth.
As for that supposed generated income of $1.5T-$3.5T, that's pie in the sky & speculative @ best.
As for Alabama's decision & their losses, 1 of the costs come from legal challenges to the law, the other comes from a lost labor pool that "progressives" should fill, but they don't because us brown skins should be doing that work.
I'm not saying I'm in favor of said law, but the fact stands: Something's got to be done.
But hey, I know a lot of "progressives" have some $$$ (ie RICH) & after all, who's gonna clean their homes, throw out their garbage & pick their produce? Somebody from some other place, that's who :) henry

@hank: "So why is crime increasing? Oh, yeah, "progressive" policies that enable, coddle & appease criminals such as gang members. We're the flagship on that 1 across the board."

You're a mountain of misinformation. Crime rates are at their lowest point since the mid-1970's.

ETR: "Crime rates are at their lowest point since the mid-1970's."

Ahh, the wonderful world of selective statistics, where "progressives" like yourself can attempt to justify their self righteousness. Like I said: ATTEMPT.
You must be referring to that FBI or DOJ study that says crime has dropped. Nice study, overall across the board, yep, it's dropped.
What they DIDN'T specify was the type of crimes that went down. Here's a sampling: Home theft, robbery, arson, white collar embezzlement.
What has remained the same or slightly increased: Assault, murder, rape, molestation.
So where does that leaves those wonderful, delightful little gangstas? In our area, guess which way the trend has gone? Up, up & away. More gang related arrests to date.
No, it ain't because those mean, racist "conservatives" are going after the little thugs.
It's because they've become so brazen that they stick out like a sore thumb.
By the way genius, that study was a NATIONAL sample & is skewed because it waters down the reality of regional averages.
In a state like CA where the criminals have more rights than their victims the law is lax & crimes go either unreported or cases get thrown out, thus thugs run amok.
In other states where they don't let the criminals run rampant you can bet that criminals are kept on a short leash or locked up, the way they should be.
An example of murder rates going down is my old home of Miami, FL, in 1981 there were 600+ murders, compliments of the Peruvian marching powder trade.
Now that city sees no more than 100 murders/year, still a high amount considering the crime, but not bad for a metropolitan city.
Why'd murder rates go down? The powpow trade was targeted systematically on every level, a gamble that paid off.
But hey, there is that fact that there's been 23 prisons built in the last 20 years compared to three Cal States and one UC.
So here's a way to turn that into a wise investment for the economic future of CA. CA spends over $10 billion a year on prisons alone: Consider them boarding schools for the thugs!
Just imagine, all those underpriviledged little thugs getting their daily doses of readin' writin' & rithmetic along w/ the golden rule. THIS WOULD BE AWESOME!
See, I knew that together we could do it, yes we can. Hope & change in 1 fell swoop. An instance where "progressives" & realists come together to occupy! 1 FiNgEr uP HoMiEs! :) henry

Why are nonstudents and nonemployees trolling the UCSB campus?

You're literally wasting the calories it takes to type a comment Eat the Rich. They will only cherry pick and spin themselves into a stupor trying to ignore reality.

KenV: "Why are nonstudents and nonemployees trolling the UCSB campus?"

Because I forage for food on my bike ride & there's plenty there. Besides, gotta keep 1 of the top 10 corporations in the world in business :) henry

By the way Ken, that's mighty xenophobic of you. Ahh, the idealism of youth, making conservatives for the future :) henry

Dec 6th will mark the beginning of defending people from home foreclosures; December 12th West coast ports will be occupied. Read it and weep oh wannabe oligarchs.

"While you're little comment is cute and all, the fact is that as tuition is rising, the class size is increasing, student services are decreasing, and the earning potential of the degrees is decreasing."
- EatTheRich

It wasn't a comment, it was a question. Kenny stated that UC tuition was once "free", and that it should be again. I simply asked where in The Constitution it says that we have a right to a "free" college education. You lefties have a way of claiming you have rights that really don't exist. Calling my legitimate question a "cute little comment" is just another way of deflecting it. So, again, where does it say it?

"That's 23 prisons in the last 20 years compared to three Cal States and one UC. Yeah - that's a wise investment for the economic future of CA. CA spends over $10 billion a year on prisons alone."
- EatTheRich

Kenny stated that there's enough money to build prisons. Once again, Kenny is wrong. We don't have enough money to build prisons or universities. Unfortunately, we seem to have plenty of money to take care of illegal aliens, public employee unions and other dregs. Why do you think that California is only 12% of the U.S. population, yet has 30% of all welfare recipients in the country? And, we spend so much money on prisons every year because of the extortive prison guard union, and the fact that prisoners are not being treated like prisoners. Prisoners don't need televisions and exercise equipment. Prisoners don't need the best health care money can buy. Prisoners don't need hormone therapy, gender reassignment counselling, and sex change operations. Prisoners do need to work on road crews, doing much of the work that overpaid, underworked, unionized CalTrans does.

"Statements like this are precisely why I can't take Republicans seriously. The Dream Act will likely generate between $1.5 trillion and $3.5 in taxable income. It's a smart economic move. The opposition to it is BEYOND short sighted - it's plain stupid."
- EatTheRich

It's statements like this that make me wonder how often you lefties get high. How is it that having more illegal aliens paying LESS tuition for their Chicano Studies degrees is going to generate TRILLIONS of dollars in taxable income? Wouldn't the Americans paying MORE tuition for their engineering degrees generate even more taxable income? Except for the pandering aspect of passing such a disastrous bill, nothing good will come of it. How you think that it's at all acceptable to put the needs of illegal aliens ahead of the needs of Americans is beyond all reason. It's not like we're having a hard time filling these schools every year. There are plenty of Americans from other states that are more than willing to pay the higher out of state tuition.

@waz:"Calling my legitimate question a "cute little comment" is just another way of deflecting it."

Oh, please - it wasn't legitimate at all. There are all sorts of things that aren't in the constitution. Marriage isn't mentioned in the constitution. Corporations aren't mentioned in the constitution. You're question is irrelevant (and stupid).

@waz: "How is it that having more illegal aliens paying LESS tuition for their Chicano Studies degrees is going to generate TRILLIONS of dollars in taxable income?"

It's called math. In CA, a bachelor's degree will typically earn the recipient between $21,000-$27,000 more per year than they would earn with just a high school diploma. That's a ton of taxable income that can be generated by investing in higher education. The opposition to the DREAM Act is the exact kind of narrow-minded thinking that's crippled the state.

But be honest - you're issue isn't with illegal immigrants per se - you LOVE living in a town with a virtually invisible service class on which the economy of the county is built. You love the idea of slave labour (as stated in your insane prison worker proposal). You have more in common with the Chinese government than any lefty in the U.S.

Plus, without illegal immigrants, who would you have to hate on?

@waz:"It's statements like this that make me wonder how often you lefties get high."

I like how you celebrate your ignorance by demonstrating more ignorance. You are a miracle.

"It's called math. In CA, A BACHELOR'S DEGREE WILL TYPICALLY EARN THE RECIPIENT BETWEEN $21,000-$27,000 MORE PER YEAR THAN THEY WOULD EARN WITH JUST A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA. That's a ton of taxable income that can be generated by investing in higher education. The opposition to the DREAM Act is the exact kind of narrow-minded thinking that's crippled the state."
- EatTheRich

"While you're little comment is cute and all, the fact is that as tuition is rising, the class size is increasing, student services are decreasing, AND THE EARNING POTENTIAL OF THE DEGREES IS DECREASING."
- EatTheRich

Which one is it? And, how is it that it's better that illegal aliens are making the money instead of Americans? Once again, you've proven yourself to be full of it.

Here's your "movement" at its best.

http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/BillCar...

It's both situations that Eat the Rich describes. An imbecile could understand that.

KenV: "An imbecile could understand that."

So that's why you get it? :) henry

EatTheRich has presented the "Perpetual Motion Money Machine". With those wild projections we should bring every illegal alien in America to California and our budget problems will be solved.
Please illuminate the rest of us as to the source and veracity of your projections for economic stimulus by giving criminals subsidized educations in this state. Is it the same partisan accounting that told us high speed rail would make us money which has now been totally debunked by the State Controller's Office, a non partisan group?
Please waz, the minute you pointed out the failed logic and the fact that increasing the number of degreed people(supply) would only further lessen the value of the education(demand), that was just "crazy talk"

The movement is about to pop up in places you wouldn't expect :)

Read'em and weep oh would-be oligarchs

http://www.alternet.org/story/153308/...

Oohh, I'm so scared Ken... NOT! The only movement that's about to spring up is in my bathroom, too much Freebirds :) henry

Your fear has been obvious since you first started commenting.

I'm still in my cold weather pj's, the jammies with the feet and bunny prints, and frankly I'm afraid to come out and face the day now that the Progressives have put the rest of us regular folks on notice that our world is about to get rocked. I was kind of disgusted by the human refuse left at the Occupy encampments so maybe that's the threat. However, they usually show up with a hearty mix of masked anarchists, kinda' KKKish, and break the windows of small business people to really make their point. That and burn some police cars so the rest of us can send more tax money for the replacement vehicles...

If we lived in a world with no internet, no satellite tv, heck lets say no newspapers then one could understand the fear-driven comments on this thread. But the writers don't have the luxury of that argument. So what motivates them? Willful ignorance? Are they paid operatives? Just plain greedy? Just plain dumb?

"It's both situations that Eat the Rich describes. An imbecile could understand that."
- Ken_Volok

Okay, Kenny. Since EatTheRich can't explain how educating illegals instead of Americans will be good for the economy, maybe you'd like to take a stab at it. I can't wait to see how you'd explain it. By the way. Your "movement" is dying.

At least a handful of us are not Jew hating nut jobs... Clearly I am not afraid of anything that Progressives spew and I do my stuff all over the world without any sense of innate insecurity. Is that the best you can do is to make the claim that because some of us disagree with your shallow point of view we're afraid? Seriously?

Some of the nuts in your hand actually wish people to be "Jew-Haters" in order to discredit them. How extra sick is that?

KenV: "Your fear has been obvious since you first started commenting."

HAHAHA! Again, you misunderstand sarcasm my naive (& I don't mean that insultingly) friend.

KenV: " Some of the nuts in your hand actually wish people to be "Jew-Haters" in order to discredit them."

We don't have to wish it, they simply are, just the way it is w/" progressives" these days. Remember those factually documented anti-Israel chants by the occufail folks in Boston? :) henry

Here's some more Marxist kooks threatening to nationalize your TV:

Morgan Stanley Executive Calls For Higher Taxes On The Rich: ‘We Cannot Cut Our Way To Greatness’
Several wealthy bankers, investors, and entrepreneurs have called for higher taxes on the rich as an important part of reducing the nation’s deficit, led most prominently by Warren Buffett. “It is mathematically impossible to invest enough in our economy and our country to sustain the middle class (...

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011...

I'm still too scared to comment. I think there's a monster under my bed or in the closet...

"Several wealthy bankers, investors, and entrepreneurs have called for higher taxes on the rich as an important part of reducing the nation’s deficit, led most prominently by Warren Buffett."
- Ken_Volok

I always find it amusing when Buffett rails for higher income taxes on the rich. Buffett makes most of his money on capital gains, but I don't hear much from him about the capital gains tax. Another thing you lefties have to realize is that the incomes of many of the "rich" is very volitile, and is not set. They can make $2 million one year, and maybe $500,000 the next. You lefties have to deal with your own issues of self-loathing, and stop bothering the people who actually go out and make something of themselves. Also, if you don't think that this "movement" of yours doesn't have a large anti-Isreal, anti-Jewish component, you're just fooling yourself, like always.

By the way. Neither you, or EatTheRich, have explained to me why showing favor to illegals over Americans is good for the economy. I know why, but at least you can admit it.

I don't have to answer your puerile question because I never proposed it.

KenV quotes on occupoo (in this thread alone):

"it's only gotten stronger will get stronger with every act of censorship, repression and violence against it."

"Don't look now but the numbers are growing! A total rejection of false values, lies, fear and corruption."

"They will only cherry pick and spin themselves into a stupor trying to ignore reality."

"Dec 6th will mark the beginning of defending people from home foreclosures; December 12th West coast ports will be occupied."

"The movement is about to pop up in places you wouldn't expect :)"

So now lets cut to some good old Baghdad Bob quotes during the US invasion of Iraq, 2003:

"There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!"

"I blame Al-Jazeera - they are marketing for the Americans!"

'We have destroyed 2 tanks, fighter planes, 2 helicopters and their shovels - We have driven them back."

"No I am not scared and neither should you be!"

"We have them surrounded in their tanks"

"They're not even [within] 100 miles [of Baghdad]. They are not in any place. They hold no place in Iraq. This is an illusion ... they are trying to sell to the others an illusion."

"They do not even have control over themselves! Do not believe them!"

"On this occasion, I am not going to mention the number of the infidels who were killed and the number of destroyed vehicles. The operation continues"

"We're giving them a real lesson today. Heavy doesn't accurately describe the level of casualties we have inflicted."

"Their infidels are committing suicide by the hundreds on the gates of Baghdad. Be assured, Baghdad is safe, protected."

"NO", snapped Mr al-Sahaf, "We have retaken the airport. There are NO Americans there. I will take you there and show you. IN ONE HOUR!"

"We defeated them yesterday. God willing, I will provide you with more information. I swear by God, I swear by God, those who are staying in Washington and London have thrown these mercenaries in a crematorium."

"Please, please! The Americans are relying on what I called yesterday a desperate and stupid method."

"Today we slaughtered them in the airport. They are out of Saddam International Airport. The force that was in the airport, this force was destroyed."

[On surrenders] "Those are not Iraqi soldiers at all. Where did they bring them from?"

"You can go and visit those places. Nothing there, nothing at all. There are Iraqi checkpoints. Everything is okay."

"What they say about a breakthrough [in Najaf] is completely an illusion. They are sending their warplanes to fly very low in order to have vibrations on these sacred places . . . they are trying to crack the buildings by flying low over them."

"We will push those crooks, those mercenaries back into the swamp"

We had Baghdad Bob, we now got Occufail Ken, both delusional & amusing. My mom once told me "Don't mock the afflicted" but I just can't stop laughing :) henry

"I don't have to answer your puerile question because I never proposed it."
- Ken_Volok

Typical lefty deflection. You're perfect for Occupoo's Minister Of Propaganda And Enlightenment. For as long as they last, anyway.

Also, if you find the question, "Why should we favor illegals over Americans?", puerile, then we all know how you regard your fellow citizens.

And why is it so important to you that the Occupy Movement fail? Or are some of you paid to write these comments..?

KenV: "And why is it so important to you that the Occupy Movement fail? Or are some of you paid to write these comments..?"

Ken, hate to tell you bro, it was epic fail from the start. When the fringe loonies started jumping on the agitation bandwagon it was just another nail in the coffin.
You sound like a nice, idealistic young man, as you should be. maybe a little naive @ times & sometimes indoctrinated, but nice nonetheless.
I'm sure there's many more like you within that movement, I even know a bunch of them in IV. Nice folks.
The problem though lies in the fact that good people w/ good intentions let fringers ruin it across the board.
That's who stood out in both liberal & conservative media outlets. They hijacked your moment big time.
Those fringers became the rule, not the exception & when that happens non-fringers pay the price.
Add to that fact that there was no real point or coherent message & no substance. Sorry man, as a realist I gotta call it as I saw it.
As for getting paid to write these comments, SHEESH! I could only wish! Instead I have to do real work, as a so-called 99%er & as a good friend once told me: "There ain't no shame in an honest day's work." :) henry

"And why is it so important to you that the Occupy Movement fail? Or are some of you paid to write these comments..?"
- Ken_Volok

Because they're worthless, and they're wasting everyone's time with their socialist garbage. Also, they deficate and urinate all over the place. They're very dirty.

Let's be fair, they seemed more inclined to defecate and urinate on themselves. It would have been less disgusting if they HAD actually excreted all over the place, primarily outside of their own tents and tarps. In LA I was rooting that they'd hold it long enough to make it to Villaraigosa's office...

At least EatTheRich was smart enough to get out before he said something else stupid. Kenny_V? He just marches on. You do your lefty buddies proud, KV.

@waz: "At least EatTheRich was smart enough to get out before he said something else stupid."

I "got out" because I made my point and you're continued and deliberate attempts to derail the conversation got boring. Anyone objectively reading this thread knows that you haven't a clue - you go to great lengths to repeatedly demonstrate that very point. It's really the only point you consistently make.

@Ken_Volok: "Or are some of you paid to write these comments?"

He sure does seem... motivated... to make a fool out of himself.