Reactions to Gang Injuction

Thank you for providing the strongest argument FOR GANG INJUNCTIONS. This video is what happens when ideologues can no longer view the forest through the trees. Wow, it's the fault of every entity except the family and gang members.
Modern day apartheid?
Stealing children in the night?
Cultural insensitivity?

How about Constitutionally vetted use of law against gangster criminals that in this community happen to be almost universally Latino? What a concept, target criminals and put them in jail... It's called "good police work".

italiansurg - it's always disheartening to hear someone go on a rant that promotes racial profiling and discrimination - and that my friend is exactly what a gang in junction would accomplish in Santa Barbara. I'm guessing your Italian, I wanted to share some things about Italian immigrants that might help you see that we are not so different as you think.

There was little Italian emigration to the United States before 1870. From 1890 to 1900, 655,888 arrived in the United States, of whom two-thirds were men. Willing to work long hours on low wages, the Italians now began to rival the Irish for much of the unskilled work available in industrial areas. Most of these immigrants were from rural communities with very little education. After the First World War Italians developed a reputation for becoming criminals.

John Carr wrote in 1906 of Italians: In common with Mexicans and Jews, the Italians are pilloried by insulting nicknames.They are charged with pauperism, crime, and degraded living, and they are judged unheard and almost unseen. These short and sturdy laborers, who swing along the streets with their heavy stride early in the morning and late at night, deserve better of the country. They are doing the work of men, and they are the full equals of any national army of peasant adventurers that ever landed on our shores. He comes because the country has the most urgent need of unskilled labor.

..it's me again...we need to look at what we have in common not what we have in difference. We are all immigrants in the US, except our Native peoples. No human deserves to be put down or belittled or stereotyped. Not Italians, not Germans, not Africans, Irish or Jews. No one, not even the one who you like to bully, the one that makes you feel better by putting him/her down. Yes, not even the Mexican deserves to be treated like dirt. Santa Barbara please wake up and reverse the hate, we are not a hateful City and the conservatives who moved here won't succeed in turning us into one.

I know more about discrimination against Italians than you could imagine or research. Same for the Irish.
Note that this was discrimination against people that were NOT criminals.
The US government created RICO to stop the Mafia. The Mafia was not strictly Italian but instead Sicilian and the vast majority of Italian Americans supported those gangsters being put out of business. Since my immigration 3 decades ago, putting up with jokes about my heritage and the Mafia is insignificant compared to the value of putting the Mafia away.
It is beyond intellectually dishonest and comically stupid to expect sympathy from Americans of Italian descent with regards to the Gang Injunctions against known criminals. Even worse, many of these gang bangers are illegal aliens and should be subject to even fewer protections in a sane society. Read the explicit nature of the gang injunctions from Northern California. Have you? They were detailed and not at all general in nature and diametrically opposed to the scare tactics you are putting forward.

Prego

italiansurg - Its quite absurd to bring up the RICO act and the Italian mob, for the purposes of proving your point. The SBPD tried that and we didn't buy it then, and we're not buying it now. There is no comparing the italian mob to SB's youth generation who THIS gang injunction targets.

These are our community's children, not illegal aliens. Your pretty cold hearted and one would think you might have more compassion as someone who suffered and experienced so much discrimination as you yourself said. Have you forgotten what it feels like? Or are you just repeating the vicious cycle of racism and discrimination. Putting up with jokes isn't cool but either is what's being done to our communities of color (who most happen to be law abiding and a keystone to our economy and country as a whole).

Our families are torn apart through deportations, targeted by ICE and our children and pregnant mothers are even killed at the border by vigilantes, who I might add, share the same opinions as you do.

Weird that you would harbor so much disdain for a culture that is the predominant one here in SB and California for that fact. My suggestion: if you don't like Latinos (that includes all of us - undocumented immigrants included) then boycott Fiesta, boycott Cinco de Mayo, boycott lettuce and every other vegetable and fruit immigrants pick, boycott all the restaurants that have migrant labor, boycott Mexican food, boycott salsa, boycott the Museum of art - especially the Siqueiros mural Portrait of America, boycott baseball (those darn illegals taking over our game), boycott the World Cup, boycott the number zero (Mayans invented the concept), boycott family values, boycott the roads that are built, the houses, boycott the gardens, boycott the hotels, boycott, boycott, boycott!!! Show your power the way most responsible people do, responsibly. Don't shower us with your hateful words, get up and do something about it. That's what people who oppose your type of thinking are doing. We are organizing against hatred and discrimination.

We believe all children are children of God (Jesus, Jah, Mohhamed, Buddha, the Virgin, the Great Spirit, all religions included). The difference is we don't have to go far to find an entire community that believes in progressive principals founded in social justice. But I guess if this gang injunction passes, you might not have to go as far as Arizona to find racist reactionaries, as I thought.

There was a famous facist/racist reactionary from Italy who felt the same way about other cultures as you do: his name was Mussolini. Did you know he also wanted a police state? Look where that got Italy - on the side of Hitler, that's where. Is that really the side Santa Barbara wants to be on?

Love over hate and peace over war. When you get that concept you'll understand why gang injunctions don't belong in the 21st century.

"Love over hate and peace over war Social Justice and tolerance " ... All great ideals but your diatribe seems pretty hateful and intolerant of people who do not agree with your method of achieving it... just my observation, I'm sure you mean well though.

Just because someone questions your ideas should not immediately make them racists and xenophobes, and attempting to shutdown the discussion by branding them as such is a pretty poor tactic that will ultimately weaken your argument in the end.

I support deportation of illegal aliens without bias based upon race, creed or color.
I support invocation of gang injunctions without bias based upon race, creed or color.
I am fluent in three languages(English, Italian, and Spanish), and often get mistaken for being Latino due to my olive colored skin. I lived in Mexico City for 6 months; what does my point of view have to do with a false claim about "... disdain of a culture..."?
If the children of our community are gang bangers they should be incarcerated and deported if they are illegal aliens.
I'm more concerned about the continual effort in Mexico to perform genocide against their non Spanish indigenous cultures than I am about our efforts to deport illegal aliens.

We're done, ciao bella...

Did you know that in order for a suspected gang member to be put into the injunction it has to go through a series of approval steps that include & are not limited to:

1) The arresting oficer.
2) The head of gang investigations unit.
3) A review panel.
4) The DA's office.
5) Final say from a judge.

Talk about checks & balances! They're there!

Did you also know that on the Eastside there's a couple of active "whiteys" in that gang?
Yep, the thugs are applying/practicing affirmative action these days.
So if any of these active "whiteys" get popped by the popo & named in the injunction would that be a "racist act"?
The injunction is equal opportunity, just like the thug life. Join a gang, get put on the injunction & suffer the consequences REGARDLESS OF RACE OR COLOR!
These are nothing but cowardly urban terrorists & deserve whatever punishment gets thrown their way :) henry

It is time to nip the Gang problem in the bud NOW! Waiting until it gets worse until being proactive is a BIG mistake.

Let's just look at what the Gangs, and sorry but mostly Hispanic, have done to S. Ca. I have been here 35 yrs. and have seen the problem grow at an alarming rate. Look at LA for God's sake! Look at the crime section of the LA Times and tell me who is committing the VAST amount of violent crimes including but not limited to, murder, drive by shootings, car jackings, assaults, robberies, stolen cars, drug dealing, grafitti and the list goes on. Over 65,000! documented Gang members in LA....10,000 cops. Do the math. Then there is Compton, Inglewood, Carson, Oxnard, Ventura, Santa Maria, Lompoc, Santa Ana, Long beach, and on and on. ALL once good clean and safe towns..NOW crime infested, grafitti infested and gang infested.

yeah, let's wait until it gets worse here in SB. before we lay down the law.

Every excuse under the sun from the group in this video.

While I do believe that placing a Gang Injunction will help it is just a bandaid on the problem. The good people of Hispanic/Mexican decent that are here LEGAL and work hard and go to school and pay taxes and commit no crimes should not be painted with a broad brush. I believe these good folks should be ALL for the injunction and putting an end to this culture that produces this mentallity of Gangs good...school bad.

Hank-Gracias mi amigo. It never takes long for the left wing, social justice types to start throwing out invectives like xenophobe and racist. Today I got the additional education that Mussolini was actually BAD and we're just like him. Who knew?
I vote we list the Caucasian gang bangers at the top of the list. And if they're illegals from Ireland, Italy, or anywhere else that has a population of non brown skinned types let's deport 'em first.

10-minute video with nothing about parental responsibility (or personal responsibility for that matter).

Scooter..I noticed that exact point..Everyone elses responsibility???

I am with Hank (amigo) and italiansurg (piason)

I'm with you SanityNow, Hank, and Scooter. I actually watched the entire video early this morning and was (stupidly) surprised that there were zero proposed solutions, zero mention of parental responsibility and pretty much less than zero substance.

Gang injunctions promote racial profiling. Racial profiling by its very nature is racist and discriminatory - if you support a gang injunction then you are in turn supporting racist policies and practices. If that doesn't make you a racist then maybe your just uninformed. It would help to turn off Fox news and stop thinking Perry is cool. Dumb is not cool anymore - that was the only thing GBush taught our country.

Italiansburg - Checks and balances? The police Dept can't stop one of it's own employees from stealing nearly a million dollars but we trust them to not profile our children - with all due respect you live in a fantasy world. Come back to reality my friend. How do you think they treat immigrants, or a kid that looks the "gang" part but has straight A's, volunteers and goes to church? Forgot to mention they have officers who forge signatures of American citizens (DUI controversy), and taser and use excessive force on our community. There are good officers but there are also many who abuse their power here in SB, and the latino community both "legal" or otherwise know it all too well. Yes, there are whites in gangs but just a heads up - they are arian white power (nazi) gangs. There are alot in SB, but you wont see them on a gang injunction.

Yendopostal - "I lived in Mexico for 6 months"...you remind me of the person who proves their not racist by saying: I have a black friend, I'm not racist. We have all heard that one before. How you could in one breath say deport and lock up undocumented children and then defend the indigenous community in Mexico is bizzare. I haven't heard that one before but promise to use it as an example for the rest of my life, as to HOW confused people are around race in America.

Hank - "Once good and clean, safe towns"...do you know California's history? Lompoc was one of the most racist towns in America, ask the Filipinos, or the farm workers. Way before there were latino or black gangs there was this thing called the clan, the kkk, about 4million of them in 1930 in California alone. Ever hear of that gang? So yes sitting on a white horse wearing a sheet, or on the stoop of the plantation house I could see where America did look alot less dirty but if you look under your fingernails, America has alot of dirt mixed with the blood and flesh of communities of color. Hiroshima, Iraq, Vietnam, Native peoples of the hemisphere, slavery, Jim Crowe. Name a crime against humanity and we've done it. The real thugs are the military and corporations, but that's another topic. And yes our schools are bad - as in poorly managed.

Lastly, many good parents lose their children to drugs, gangs, or depression. Yes parents play a role but raising a child takes a village and ALL of Santa Barbara's children are ours. Thank God, lets keep it that way.

hmmmm...There you go again...with your "racist discriminatory" diatribe- you are moving way to fast ( and are all over the map) and not even paying attention to Who and What is being said.. take a long deep breathe and slow down! I was NOT the one who said I had lived in Mexico but in fact I did , I grew up and studied there and the comment made about how indigenous people are treated by the Mexican Government Does happen to be true, so what, it is just a ( well documented)fact.

I'm going to change my Indy moniker to:
UberSBunited4justice

yedopostal-My theory is there's either too much caffeine or too much crack in SBunited4justice to actually read the posts and then articulate objective criticism to each opinion.

SBunited4justice-My home in Roma is in the EUR district that was designed by Mussolini(who I just found out was a very bad person!), I guess I should sell it to demonstrate my bona fides to the Progressives. Oh yea, it was the Muslims that actually sold the 17 million plus slaves in Africa; we bought 2-3million. When is the diatribe against all Muslims scheduled to begin?

The gang injunction is discriminatory and discrimination has always been a big part of the culture of the United States. If it were not for new immigrants who do most of the real work in this country where would be? Sitting behind a desk pushing papers doesn't raise our GDP much and what do you do for a living that you have so much time to comment online?
When was the last time you went to Italy? I was recently speaking with some Italians in Italy and they were telling me that Moroccans, Muslims, and the Chinese who came to Italy were all criminals. When I asked what kind of crimes they committed, they had to pause a while and then said, "drugs". Let me tell you, they sure didn't look like drug dealers to me. I should know, I grew up in California, probably one of the places that consumes the highest amount of cocaine, marijuana, prescription drugs and alcohol in the world.
Back to the original topic, people sometimes fear other cultures and races because they do not understand that we are all the same. We may look different or have different traditions but we are all human who want the best for ourselves, our families and our communities. Sometimes people face challenges that make their lives difficult therefor making it hard for them to succeed. Putting people down to make yourself feel better is also common but we must notice that for the common good we should all strive to make the world better for everyone, not just ourselves.

3 trips to Italy in the last 16 months. Probably 20+ trips in the past 10 years. And the point is?

Laborers are the sole formula for raising our GDP? This recession will be easy to handle...

Having lived all over the world I do not fear any race, creed or color. I do not like criminals.
I'm so sorry about the terrible conditions that make our "children" into gang bangers and scum. Put them in jail.
I'm so sorry about Mexico, and any other place being such a pathetic mess that everyone wants to commit a criminal act to get the hell out of there. Deport illegal aliens regardless of race, creed, or color.

With regards to my time; are you jealous? 10 years of eduction past high school has afforded me the ability to do what I want and when I want to. I should probably apologize for my success which was obviously handed to me...what else could account for an immigrant, arriving with no money making good? If only I had apologists telling me this was a horrible country and making excuses for me I could have stayed in Europe and saved myself from this horrible place. I did come here legally, however...

So you didn't like Italy. I didn't either. Italy has a visa-waiver program making it very easy to immigrate to the US. You like the choice to live wherever you want. You are lucky you were born Italian because Mexicans don't have that chance. There are very limited amounts of visas available for Mexicans. Instead of insulting people who are not as lucky as you, because it was just luck that you were born Italian, nothing to do with your 10 years of higher education that made you eligible for a visa, admit not all things are equal and not all people are treated equally. Is it fair that Italians are able to travel to the US and immigrate here and Mexicans are not?

sbs124: "The gang injunction is discriminatory and discrimination has always been a big part of the culture of the United States."

How is that? How is it discriminatory? Oh, wait, I know: IT GOES AFTER GANG MEMBERS! Now I get it, gangs heve been given a racial status by the "progressives"!
Brilliant. Now you're probably going to tell us that all Whites are slave owners & members of the klan.
What a load of rubbish! Now if, you'll excuse me, this Latino has to go do something menial for The Man.
After all, us Latinos can't make it out of the hood you know. 1 FiNgEr Up HoMies! :) En-Ree-Kay (aka henry, but that's how italiansurg likes to say it)

Hank are you Cuban? Another county that gets easy citizenship in the US. You and italiansurg are meant for each other.

Some questions:

1. If the injunction is racial profiling, as is immigration enforcement, why is affirmative action not considered racial profiling?

2. Would Latino groups support an end to affirmative action and multilingual government services in exchange for amnesty and higher quotas for immigration from Latin America?

3. The argument for mass immigration, offered by both the corporate Republicans and post-American Democrats is that immigrants are harder working and have stronger family and moral values than Americans. (Remember Jorge Arbusto and "family values don't stop at the Rio Grande?") Doesn't tolerance and even glorification of Latino gang activity, coupled with demands for ethnic/racial preferences undercut the argument that immigrants are uniformly superior?

4. Why should the United States be the only country allowed to benefit from mass immigration? Why shouldn't Mexico open up its borders, instead of having the some of the most restrictive requirements for citizenship on the planet? Perhaps Mexico would benefit from mass immigration by well-educated Europeans, Asians and Americans.

By the way...News flash. Just in!!! 6 gang members JUST stabbed a couple of non gang mambers on W. Sola after asking where they "were from" Great bunch of folks sbs124.

The beat goes on. No sooner commenting on the Injunction and guess what?? Hispanic gang members doing what they do best. the Gangs are ruining our city and Ca.

Two Teens Stabbed by Reported Gangmembers
A pack of four to six suspects jumped two non-gangmembers.

There you go SB, let's have some more restorative justice for this group as well.

sbs124 kinda sounds like a bigot. Your hate words make me feel bad.
There are very strict quotas for immigration from EU countries.
I love Italy.
I love it here more. When I first came here I was amazed that nobody cared about my olive hued skin or the fact that I came from very modest means. I taught myself English.
I hate illegal aliens and their nutty sympathizers.
I hate gang members and their apologists.

sbs124: "Hank are you Cuban? Another county that gets easy citizenship in the US."

Oh si, I'm Cuban. Hay Loosy, I'm hoam! Sorry to disappoint you, but mi piel es carmelita, that's Espanol for "my skin is brown" & according to your flawed social theory, I should get the same treatment by "whitey" that you deem as "discrimination."
So why don't I get that same treatment? Because I am NOT a criminal like those gang members you want to coddle & appease.
As for that "easy citizenship" claim you make, yeah, it's a bit easier because Cubans were escaping from communism, you know, that oppressive system that actually kills more people to this day than fascism (nazis) ever did or does.
Illegal immigration from down south (Mejico) is for economic reasons, not political, that's the huge difference.
But as a Latino, there is a side of me that says the American dream should be available to anyone from anywhere that wants to make this their home, get along, obey the laws & contribute.
So what do gang members (regardless of race) contribute? Lets see: Terror, crime, destruction of neighborhoods, harm to innocent people, you know, worthwhile contributions.
Judging from your comments I will venture to say you're either:
1) A Latino gang member named in the injunction.
or:
2) Guilty White guy/gal who hates him/herself because you feel that you've wronged us minorities in some way.
If it's a case of #2, por favor, get over yourself, all you're doing is making us Latinos, regardless of where we're from, look bad.
We don't need your $0.02 worth because it's folks like you that set us back w/ justifying the behavior of a few cancerous growths (gang members) as the general behavior to our race/culture/ethnicity.
Please stop hating yourself while taking us down in the process.
Bigots have done the job of bringing us down for some time now, don't blindly follow in their steps.
By the way, they're less harmful than you because they're overt about their true beliefs.
You on the other hand hide behind that veil of "progressivism" to seem like you're "down w/ my people." You ain't.
Just trying to help you out here, espero que tengas buen dia :) henry

Hank and italiansurg, I won't tell you where I come from, that is not the point here. I am not a member of a gang, I do associate with various groups in town but they are not considered gangs. I have more in common with the both of you than you think. That is why you upset me, you should know better because whether or not you admit it, you face discrimination for being Latino and Italian.
Sanity now, newsflash your point is what? A white man stabbed a man of State St. for being black last month. You don't have to be hispanic to stab people. The man on trial now for killing his brother and sister in law is not hispanic either. Do you have an excuse for them. I am not making excuses for people who commit violent crimes.

sbs124: "I won't tell you where I come from, that is not the point here."

But somehow you made it the point about us.

sbs124: "I am not a member of a gang, I do associate with various groups in town but they are not considered gangs."

Alright, now it's starting to sound like that old skit from SNL in the 1970's: "It's not a gang, it's a club!"

sbs124: "you face discrimination for being Latino and Italian."

Really? As my homie Ricky would say: Pleees esplain? W/ all due respect, that sounds like "progressive" paranoia.

sbs124: "Sanity now, newsflash your point is what?"

THAT GANGS ARE CRIMINALS! What can't you see there? In fact, as the injunction debate rages on, THEY'RE OUT COMMITING CRIMES! Pretty obvious.

sbs124: "A white man stabbed a man of State St. for being black last month."

The guy who did the stabbing you speak of was 1 of those out of town crusty BUMS (not homeless) who have chosen to make SB their new home because the welcome mat is out for them, compliments of the "progressives" in city government, the same "progressives" who are pro-gang. The crusty BUMS (not homeless) are yet another breed of ciminal, but that's a whole other story.

sbs124: "You don't have to be hispanic to stab people."

NOBODY ever said that, but somehow that is what YOU think.
By the way, the skinhead scissor stabber? Yeah, he's actually Jewish. A little mixed up, go figure?
What that's got to do w/ anything I don't know, just wanted to throw some weird trivia in there for fun.

sbs124: "The man on trial now for killing his brother and sister in law is not hispanic either."

Yeah, we know that. We also know he used a shotgun & a revolver, not a knife. That is also being ruled a crime w/ special circumstances ($$$). That crime is also NOT gang related.

sbs124: "I am not making excuses for people who commit violent crimes."

In your mind you ain't & I'll grant the benefit of the doubt. But I will say you're attempting to protect them from getting what they deserve.
Hey, they're gang members, they're good @ what they do, let them have what they want: The thug life.
But that mi amigo, comes w/ a price & that price WILL be the injunction :) henry

This isn't about race, it's about economics.

The U.S. has long expected that it can mass-import the poorest and least-educated people of a neighboring country which we all know is a political dystopia, ensure they don't assimilate by giving them everything in their language, and not have catastrophic results.

The chickens have come home to roost. The immoral, myopic and inconsistent enforcement of U.S. immigration policy and the attendant damage done by vested business interests mixed with multiculturalist idealism have created a situation where the fastest growing demographic is of low-skilled undereducated people who are displacing a once educated populace. End result: Poverty, crime, overcrowding, and a Silent Majority who get so fed up with failing schools, gang culture, and overcrowding that they react with this gang injunction which will not solve the problem because our culture does not strike at the root.

David Cash of course fails to even mention the word "discipline". Even when I went to the then almost lily-white La Colina back in the '70's I could see the mainly white middle-class kids acting up and causing trouble thanks to "progressive" policies which sought to do away with the old ways that worked. I had transferred out here from a Catholic school in Chicago where there were no bully/gang problems because unlike today's kids, they knew there would be consequences.

Fast forward to 2011: We have feral kids growing up in homes where A: Education is often not encouraged, and B: Mom and Dad are working all day so there is little discipline, quality time, or supervision all the while we're packing ten pounds of sand into the proverbial five-pound bag.

The people on the right cheer the gang injunction and while I make no apologies for sharing their disdain for the blame-it-all-on-racism attitude of PUEBLO, the gang injunction will only make things worse because it's a palliative approach. People on the left think it's all about "creating jobs" when in fact it's about attitudes toward education.

Mexico and the U.S. are analogous to two ships at sea: The one ship is relatively well-run while the other is sinking because the captain and crew won't fix the leaks in the bottom of the ship and they don't care that the people on the bottom are jumping ship, risking their lives by swimming across shark-infested waters to get on the other ship. Meanwhile, the other ship is sinking under the weight of all the refugees. So what is the humane approach?...fix the leaks in the ship that's sinking.

Sadly, partisan rhetoric on both sides ensures this situation will only get worse.

sbs124-Fortunately you have nothing in common with me whatsoever. For this I am thankful.

BC-Your logic as to why the gang injunction will make it worse does not hold up. Being palliative, by definition, means it will have an effect on the symptoms without solving the overall problem. I want to effect the short term symptoms-target specific thugs. I'm NOT ATTEMPTING TO CURE the entire problem of gang bangers; hell, we won't even secure our borders in order to help our own economy.
All "old style liberals" like me want is to effectively target the known criminals in a constitutionally protected manner. If the progressives and other apologists want to have their discussion groups in parallel that's fine with me. I've never advocated telling the left what to do. They sure spend a lot of time lecturing people in the middle.
Do all the programs and outreach you desire. When the programs fail use the most aggressive and active policing techniques that are available.
How is this palliative?

"How is this palliative?"

It draws attention away from the causes of the problem.

It's the right-wing equivalent of "hate crimes" laws is the sense that we already have laws against the crimes gang bangers commit. (As well as racially motivated crimes)

I too am and "old style" liberal and that is why I find myself equally at odds with "injunctions" as well as "progressives". I say "reset to default" which means that we need to acknowledge that what we have been doing as a society *doesn't work* and that "hate crimes" laws, "injunctions" and so on are avoiding the underlying issues that plague us.

I abhor hate crime legislation. It does not matter to me why someone commits an offense against someone. But I live with these laws because they are settled. Same with Gang Injunctions.
I do get your point. Where we do not agree is that I view palliative as treating the symptom without affecting the cause. Per previous posts I'll let people smarter than me stop the increasing volume of lowlifes that we are generating, particularly in specific ethnic and cultural groups, and in the mean time I'm happy to use all legal means to get violent offenders off the street.
Strangely enough, violent crime on average has been decreasing on a national scale over the past few decades. I think Progressives would have a better chance of getting their philosophy through if they were EQUALLY as tough on crime as they are IN FAVOR of social programs. That just does not appear to be the case. The other irony is that most crime by minorities is committed against members of their own minority group, yet their advocates want to scream about not enough police protection while purposely obfuscating the ability of law enforcement to crack down on the thugs.

"The other irony is that most crime by minorities is committed against members of their own minority group, yet their advocates want to scream about not enough police protection..."

Your striking at the root of the irony. These same advocates make sure that their own children get good educations but advocate social programs (bilingual services) that ensure their hypothetical beneficiaries remain unable to communicate in the language of the land in which they live. Even more ironic is that some of these advocates refuse to learn Spanish so they prove they have no interest in one-on-one interaction with these people. ¡Que hipocrisia moscosa!

"Mocosa"

Question: What does a person need to do to get this injunction against them?

BillC: "Question: What does a person need to do to get this injunction against them?"

I'll have a concrete, official answer on that 1 for you tomorrow nite or Sat morning :) henry

Hank: I think you realize I was being rhetorical.

lets get that gang injunction cracking. round up those thugs and send them to thugtown aka prison.

the sooner the better. no sympathy from me. once in prison with all the other thugs, they can practice all the gang warfare and violence they want, locked behind bars away from the law abiding citizenry.

you could not draw it up any better. long live the gang injunction. huzzah.

Why is it that anything anybody does to these little scumbags, is considered racist by you lefties? If they're questioned by the police, it's racist. If they're arrested, it's racist. If law abiding citizens dare say they won't further tolerate the activities of these little creeps, it's racist. You really have to stop plucking at that one string banjo. It's getting old. You lefties are always quick to tell us how NOT to handle these little punks, but offer nothing that would be effective in curtailing their activities. All of your lefty social programs that you insist would work, if only we'd throw more and more money into them, have proven to be abject failures. It's time to crack down, and this is just one way to do it. I just hope the effort doesn't stop with the injunction.

Not sure if it is about the lefties or the righties, but I think we need a crappy parent injunction.

how about a dirty cop injunction?

How about a crappy activist injunction? :) henry