Plucking a hefty jewel from Santa Barbara’s supposed crown of environmental stewardship, the Carpinteria City Council voted on Monday evening for an across-the-board ban of single-use paper and plastic bags. The unanimous decision makes Carpinteria the first South Coast city to ban such bags and, once formalized, the ordinance will be the strictest of 14 similar laws throughout California.
All Carp businesses, from supermarkets and drug stores to restaurants and mom ‘n’ pop shops, will be required to stock and sell reusable totes as disposables phase out. Big retailers like Vons, CVS, and Rite-Aid will have three months to comply once the ordinance is enacted; smaller businesses, six months. The restrictions likely won’t apply to plastic produce bags at grocery stores, and there’ll be exemptions for those who can’t afford reusable bags. “I don’t think it’s going to be very difficult, and I think our community is ready for it,” said Councilmember Gregg Carty before casting his vote. “Let’s go.”
Carpinteria retailers distribute an estimated 1.5-million single-use bags annually, but that was up to 2.5 million before Albertsons stopped offering paper and plastic in April, a self-imposed move that was part of a corporate pilot program. While sales did dip at Albertsons for the first three weeks, people eventually embraced the idea. Most jurisdictions allow the use of recycled paper bags in one form or another, but the council — taking staff’s cue that paper bags are the 10th most collected item during coastal litter cleanup efforts — nixed them as well.
Long known to choke animals and landfills, pollute waterways, and wreak general havoc on delicate habitats, single-use bags have nevertheless enjoyed relative immunity from state and federal regulation, leaving cities and counties to draft their own laws. Those efforts have been tempered by the Coalition to Save the Plastic Bag, an industry-backed group that sues jurisdictions for not conducting environmental reviews before imposing bans. But a recent state court ruling in favor of Manhattan Beach and against the coalition determined that environmental review wasn’t required. The legal precedent put the Carpinteria city attorney’s office in a position to back the restriction without fear of lawsuit.
The city staff’s extensive report advised that the council not ban plastic and then impose a fee on paper, which Los Angeles County did and is now being sued by a South Carolina-based bag manufacturer. The report also recommended that stores under 10,000 square feet in size be allowed to carry single-use paper bags, but a letter from the California Grocer’s Association expressed concern over favoritism, so the council was convinced to make the rule uniform.
No one spoke out against the bag ban before the unanimous vote, instead lauding Carpinteria for having the foresight — and what many called the “bravery” — to move forward. The supportive remarks were met with audience applause. “I think we’ve all finally come to a place where we realize this is an issue, that it is a negative impact to the environment,” said Kathi King of the Community Environmental Council, “which is more than I can say for some of the other jurisdictions where I have been beating my head against the wall for a long time.”
Sandy Lejeune with the Surfrider Foundation, who’s spoken before the Santa Barbara City Council on the issue more than once, touched on the impact of rogue bags. “It costs a lot of money to clean up bags that don’t get disposed of properly,” he explained. “Every piece of plastic that’s ever been made is still out there. It doesn’t go away,” he went on, remarking that plastic only photodegrades, never biodegrades, meaning it eventually becomes so small fish eat plastic particles mistaken for plankton, introducing the toxic substance into human food streams.
Former Carpinteria mayor Donna Jordan, speaking on behalf of Carpinteria Beautiful, which has spearheaded the area’s reusable movement for years, stated, “Single-use bags are a disaster not waiting to happen, but happening … It’s really time to break the habit. We’ve tried education, tried persuasion, tried setting examples for people, but it just hasn’t been enough.”
As staff finalizes the ordinance over the next two to three months, Carp government employees will be speaking to and working with area businesses to ensure the switch goes as smoothly as possible. A public hearing will also be held. If all proceeds according to plan, Carpinteria will be sans-single-use by spring and summer of 2012.
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That's just great! More government interference by inept politicians who wouldn't know good business practices it they jumped up and bit them in their ample behinds! I'm sure they're just so pleased with themselves; "Look at me. I'm saving the environment!" I wonder what else they're going to force businesses to sell in the idiotic name of "going green"? They're probably going to ban stores from selling beans and broccoli due to the potential hazards of the expulsion of green house gases. Give me a break!
waz (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2011 at 1:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I believe the politicians passed "a solution" to law before identifying the problem. My family has lived in Carpinteria for 20 years. We do most of our food shopping in town. Our kitchen cleaning closet holds about 30 plasitc bags taken from Albertson's. We use these to hold my sons books. To line our trash cans. To bundle food for work lunch. To carry a blanket or extra jacket when traveling. And several other uses. When we stock more than 30 plastic bags we grab 10 and stuff them in the convienient Albertson's recycle bin. Since Albertson's changed to bagless I have shopped there about 20 times. Never buying more then 4 items per visit. When I need to stock up on food and drink I drive to Vons. The proper legal decision is to make Carpinteria stores bag optional. Encourage shoppers to bring their own. But do not force people to change lifestye to cover for a lack of education demonstrated by a few literers.
hope11 (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2011 at 3:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"When I need to stock up on food and drink I drive to Vons."
I too would reuse the plastic bags for a variety of things. Now we'll have to drive to Ventura to get around this brilliant decision by our city council. I'm glad they were farsighted enough to realize that this kind of thing wouldn't effect business in Carpinteria in the least. NOT!
waz (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2011 at 4:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"passed "a solution" to law before identifying the problem."
Uhhhh, I think the problem is well identified. 380 billion bags used in the US per year. 0 of them biodegrade, they only very gradually photodegrade into tiny pieces that then get into the food chain.
"But do not force people to change lifestye to cover for a lack of education demonstrated by a few literers."
Look along the sides of any road and on the beaches. Do the number of bags and pieces of bags represent only a few litterers? Go to a beach that's hardly trafficked, such as between Jalama and Pt. Conception, and you will be very surprised how much plastic junk there is on these supposed pristine beaches. Encouragement doesn't work as evidenced by the 2 people who have posted above me. They use plastic and justify it by saying they reuse it a few times. That still eventually puts it into the environment where it will sit for many years to come. Recycling them is better, but most people who use them do not recycle them.
Whether the particular law is right or wrong for Carp at this time, the only way to get change started is to apply some force. Lazy Americans won't change without it.
cycleboy (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2011 at 6:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
WOW,
These smart people pay more attention to plastic bags than they spend on public safety to the tax-payers in Carp..
They gave up 3 deputy positions then had the opportunity to re-instate one position due to concessions and they tabled it. What planet do these idiots walk on??
Giving up law enforcement - moronic
Having the opportunity to restore one position then arguing about it - pathetic
Paying more attention to Bags over public safety - PRICELESS
Priceless (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2011 at 8:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Cycleboy, that's an interesting concept ... our government using force against its citizens. We sovereign citizens do extend limited power of force to them, at least temporarily. But the citizens will have the final word, whether you think they're lazy or not. One thing the citizens will do, even those citizens currently sharing in Carp's euphoric green celebration, is to evaluate whether the government has matched means with ends, and has been judicious in it's exercise of "force".
Like you, I have been persuaded that the ban on plastic bags makes sense, and is worthy of suffering the infringement of my liberty. Much evidence and consideration has gone into weighing the costs and benefits of plastic bags, and they have been found wanting (imho). Other methods of restraining their use, that are more respecting of liberty and free choice, such as bag taxes, are probably more cumbersome than they're worth. So the "nudge" of a ban on plastic bags, I can accept.
But recyclable paper bags? Absolute over-reach, arbitrary and capricious, not supported by evidence of significant harm, and no consideration of unintended consequences. An injudicious use of government force.
I'm kindof an environmentalist. "Kindof" because, while I share many of the "ends" sought by most environmentalists, I reject the "means" that most environmentalists (at least around here) embrace. Of course, the ban on paper is not the end of the world, it's only grocery bags we're talking about. But such small things add up and can be magnified in the public psychology and opinion -- and that matters when you realize that exercise of government force is fleeting in this democracy. It will be remembered when a much bigger environmental issue is at stake. A reluctant public will be hearing from the green opposition: "watch out, don't trust the greens, you compromise and give an inch and they'll take a mile. Remember how a ban on plastic mysteriously mutated into a ban on recycled paper as well."
OldDawg (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2011 at 8:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"They use plastic and justify it by saying they reuse it a few times."
- cycleboy
I'm not trying to "justify" anything I do. I don't need to, especially to a bunch of enviro-nazis. I was just saying that I use the bags for other things. It's about having a choice. You lefties remember choice, don't you? Oh! I keep forgetting that in your world "pro-choice" only applies to one thing.
waz (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2011 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey, I've got an idea, the next time I go to the supermarket in Carpinteria I won't take any bags and then ask for help in getting my groceries to my car!
discoboy (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2011 at 11:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It's really a non-issue for me. I always carry bags in my car. I'm glad they finally did this.
pamackenzie (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2011 at 2:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Good for Carpinteria! Well done! I hope we get it on the ballot in Santa Barbara so that this divided city can vote it without all the political wrangling that accompanies it whenever the subject comes up before council.
at_large (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2011 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Kudos to Carpinteria for making a sensible move. I hope some of the stores will take their savings in bag costs and offer their customers free or reduced-cost reusable bags to get them started (not that they're expensive, I got a bunch of rugged/washable reusable bags from Staples for free with coupons, 99 cents w/o coupon). Put a few in each car and you're set.
Its funny to think back on all the "arm-twisting" people used to complain about but have now accepted as good practice ... ban on cigarette smoking on airline flights, use of car seatbelts, having to bag up your pooch's crap, recycling your used engine oil, wearing a motorcycle helmet, no spitting in public ... lol!
EastBeach (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2011 at 3:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
italiansurg (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2011 at 5:33 p.m.
OldDawg - your point is very well stated and in general I agree. When I used the word "force", I didn't mean in a physical sense. Consider that we are "forced" to follow a lot of laws, rules, and regulations daily. I would also say I'm kindof-green. Many things put forth by the so-called enviros simply are not economically feasible or make sense in the big picture. But, I hold this point as very important - people are in general lazy in this country and will not change without shall we call it "motivation"? The ideas behind the enviro issues are important to all of us, more so than many realize. 6.5 billion people and rapidly growing all on one rock with a finite amount of resources and places to put everything. There needs to be some motivation applied in some cases to push people to make a change that is for the better. Did we all just start separating recycling and green waste on our own or did it take effort from government, trash companies, advocacy groups and so on to get us going?
cycleboy (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2011 at 6:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
waz, you assume I'm a lefty without even knowing more than what I posted above. (well, actually I am left handed. . .)
Just because I think making moves that support protection of the environment from plastic trash is a good thing doesn't mean I support whatever the "lefty" platform is. In fact, I don't support either of the idiotic sides we seem to be forced to take, but that's getting off the subject.
Your choice to use plastic for whatever uses is bad for the planet. (and I say this having even recently used plastic bags to scoop up the cat poop, I will find an alternative) Similarly, if you chose to use DDT to keep bugs off your tea roses, someone *might* tell you not to because it is banned. We make changes all the time to try to improve things and people hate change, until they get used to it and learn to deal with the new way.
cycleboy (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2011 at 6:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
italiansurg, you suggest we haven't read the constitution, something that gets thrown out anytime something is made illegal. Have you read it or are you just forwarding the cliche ?
I'm pretty sure the government applied force (why did I ever use that word, people took it totally wrong) in many cases in the past to effect social change. Some examples:
- seatbelts
- DUI
- hands-free cell use
I could go on. . .
cycleboy (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2011 at 6:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I used "arm twisting" instead of "force" but I liked OldDawg's use of "nudge" the best.
Its amazingly easy to use reusable grocery bags once you get into the habit.
EastBeach (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2011 at 8:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
No one is taking away anyone's "freedom of choice."
The stores still sell plastic bags. Buy some if that's what you really want.
taz (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2011 at 8:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
No. They are passing on the cost of the plastic bags to those that choose to buy them.
You want it; you buy it. You don't want it; you don't buy it.
The store makes a profit on what they SELL.
They don't have to raise prices on other items to compensate for being required to provide anything for free.
I believe that is still called free market capitalism.
taz (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2011 at 9:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Good free market example on the DVD. A person could bring their own case and save a dollar.
taz (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2011 at 10:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What you don't get is that you are still free to choose how you will transport your purchases home.
What you are not free to choose is to FORCE the stores to provide you with a free bag which, in a free market situation, should have never happened in the first place.
taz (anonymous profile)
October 13, 2011 at 7:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Albertsons in Capinteria is selling reusable bags for 32 cents each. $0.32 !!! That means you can get enough bags to last your family for many years for less than 2 bucks.
EastBeach (anonymous profile)
October 13, 2011 at 11:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Congratulations to Carpinteria. I will definitely make a little longer trip to shop there, from now on. Thanks for your forward thinking. It's not too hard to remember to take a reusable bag.
Ketch (anonymous profile)
October 13, 2011 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If you want to find plastic bags look on the shelf in the store. (The article didn't say where you could find tomato soup either but I assure you that Carpenteria markets are fully stocked.)
taz (anonymous profile)
October 13, 2011 at 11:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"People on the edge of poverty that can not afford to wash their reusable bags on a regular basis will now be subject to Bactria ..."
--ABCSB
There's a perfect signal that ABCSB is just parroting free market fundamentalist talking points that are completely, totally invalid. Yes, ABCSB, the notion that bacteria (no need to capitalize it) will now contaminate foodstuffs due to unwashed bags is utter nonsense.
SezMe (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 12:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ever walk through the frozen section? All those vegetables in plastic bags. Spaghetti sauce in plastic bottles. The meat cooler alone has miles of plastic covering on hamburger. Zip lock baggies?
Maybe we should package all of these items in a dense biodegradable cardboard? No, let's make it a law that all of these items must be in cardboard.
By the way. The floor at Albertson's is made of plastic. And will eventually reach landfill. May be time to universally go to wood flooring. No, let's make it law.
See my point. Educate and offer options. Lightweight plastic carry bags for grocery use are a huge leap forward from paper bagging. It eliminates the problem of bacteria build-up. It enables elderly, weak, and partially disabled persons to easily carry food items.
Most people reuse the plastic grocery bags with convenient built in carry handles. A large percent of plastic bags are returned to the grocery store recycle bin.
hope11 (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 6:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
There seems to be an apparent lack of understanding about what "free choice" means. The stores AND the consumer should have the "choice" to offer and choose bags, free or not, as they see fit without the government having any opinion.
It's continually ironic that the left who constantly rant about their right to free speech want to get into the minutia of the rest of our lives and tell us how to live.
I've just ordered a giant roll of disposable plastic bags. I'll look for the internet site and post it under comments so the 98% of us normal folks don't have to live with cockroaches, E.colli, salmonella, listeriosis, you name it in our perfect reusable bags. Simply rinsing the bags will not rid them of these nasty vectors.
italiansurg (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 6:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
That's why I don't wear underwear ... its just so hard to keep 'em clean by rinsing, LOL!
Just toss your resuable bags into the washing machine with some detergent, you'll be fine.
EastBeach (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at noon (Suggest removal)
buy stock in whomever makes hefty bags.
Doesn't somebody make a bio-degrading plastic like bag? I remember receiving one somewhere that I purchased something.
Love the free choice argument. Like we should have the free choice to drop our trash wherever we like. Oh, and also the one about pretending to care about the homeless and poor and the cleanliness of their bags, or thinking your reusable bag is gonna harbor disease because you can't toss it in the laundry once in awhile or bleach it in the sun. Hilarious.
spacey (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
These GIVE-ME-SOMETHING-FOR-NOTHING folks have a massive case of a sense of entitlement. If it's too much trouble to carry a reusable bag to the market perhaps they should just cut out the middle man and go eat at the shelter.
taz (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 12:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Like I said, I'm willing to pay for the bags which is why I ordered a butt load of them already.
I hope this progressive crowd is going to start banning everything else they've decided is a scourge on the environment. Have you read the studies about the environmental mess the illegals are causing in the Southwest deserts? Oh yea, that's different...
Spacey-let's ban all canned and bottled drinks since some people throw them on the ground. I don't litter but because some people do I get fewer choices.
italiansurg (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 1:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
http://www.webstaurantstore.com/10-x-...
Here's the site where I bought 700 bags for just under $25.
They're great. You can probably find them cheaper by looking harder than I did...
italiansurg (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 1:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"A large percent of plastic bags are returned to the grocery store recycle bin."
-- hope11
Where did you get this information?
SezMe (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Lightweight plastic carry bags for grocery use are a huge leap forward from paper bagging. It eliminates the problem of bacteria build-up. It enables elderly, weak, and partially disabled persons to easily carry food items.
Most people reuse the plastic grocery bags with convenient built in carry handles. A large percent of plastic bags are returned to the grocery store recycle bin."
It seems to me like this is just made up, not fact-based. If a large percent are returned for recycling, why are bags one of the single largest pollutants in the environment?
And before you say I'm making it up, do a search for "how many plastic bags are recycled". For example:
http://www.reuseit.com/learn-more/myt...
1. Very few are recycled (I saw results of 1% to 5.2%, so still hundreds of billions are NOT recycled)
2. Recycling them is not economically viable
3. Many of the US bags sent for recycling were wastefully transported overseas, where there is now a glut of bags not being recycled.
4. Bags in the environment have caused flooding in some areas due to clogging up drains.
As to the people talking about concerns with bacteria and diseases, what the heck are you putting in your shopping bags? Yuck! I bring home groceries, which I'm going to be putting in my mouth for the most part, and then every once in awhile I throw the bags in the wash!
cycleboy (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
There's probably a chance for bacterial growth over time if organic material or liquids from produce or meats accumulate in the bag. BUT ... as cycleboy says, all you have to do is throw 'em in the wash once in a while.
That whole bateria issue is just so much dishonest rationalization. Using that logic, you shouldn't wear reusable clothes!
EastBeach (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 8:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Can we ban couches? They seem to show up in gutters and on sidewalks all over SB and those gutters lead to storm drains which drain to the ocean ...just discarded like some proverbial plastic bag...
italiansurg (anonymous profile)
October 15, 2011 at 5:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Although it doesn't discount the research provided by Charles Gerba, it's nice to know where your paycheck is coming from:
From the report, "Assessment of the Potential for Cross Contamination of Food Products by Reusable Shopping Bags" by Charles P. Gerba, David Williams, and Ryan G. Sinclair :
"NOTE: The authors would like to acknowledge and thank the American Chemistry Council for providing funding to support this study."
Who is the American Chemistry Council?
"Every year, the chemistry industry invests tens of millions of dollars to ensure that the products that make modern living possible are safe for you, safe for your community, and safe for the environment. In addition to producing innovative research, ACC programs and initiatives focus on anticipating and preventing accidents, as well as on educating the public about how to use our products safely."
http://www.americanchemistry.com/Abou...
Interestingly, a lobbying group for the plastic bag industry was established in 2005 as Progressive Bag Affiliates. They have used legal threats and lobbying strategies to slow, stop or weaken ordinances banning plastic grocery bags.
They changed their name in 2008, and are now called "Progressive Bag Affiliates."
Today, they are a 'Product Group' of a trade organization called....
American Chemistry Council
http://plastics.americanchemistry.com...
Members:
PBA’s members include the leading manufacturers of plastic bags and polyethylene resins:
- Advance Polybag, Inc.
- The Dow Chemical Company
- ExxonMobil Corporation
- Hilex Poly Co., LLC
- Superbag Corporation
- Total Petrochemicals USA, Inc.
- Unistar Plastics, LLC
http://plastics.americanchemistry.com...
binky (anonymous profile)
October 16, 2011 at 7:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Food is not a basic human right. If it was food would be free.
taz (anonymous profile)
October 16, 2011 at 9:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Is plagiarism a basic human right too?
taz (anonymous profile)
October 16, 2011 at 9:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Mr. ABCSB, they really have their hooks in you.
The source you quote which attempts to smear Ken Cook (who, by the way, in no fashion controls a nation-wide effort or conspiracy to ban plastic grocery bags) is a nasty little group called "Activistcash" another of Richard Berman's projects to flak on behalf of those who least need it.
You haven't heard of Richard Berman? He makes his fortune by creating faux populist organizations for industry and manufacturing who run afoul of public perception, mood, laws, and regulations.
And he heads the Center for Consumer Freedom, which runs and produces Activistcash, drawing an $18,000 paycheck.
That salary is a nice perc to go with the $1,461,597 CCF paid to "Richard Berman and Company" as independent contractors in 2009.
http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments... (may require registration)
The energetic Mr. Berman is such a star in this realm that he has a website devoted to shining a bit of sunshine in his direction.
If you visit it, you will find this, and other information:
"Berman founded and runs four tax-exempt front groups and a number of linked projects, focusing on food, tobacco, alcoholic beverages and labor. He is well-paid by the represented industries to serve as the executive director of all four organizations. Berman then uses his own lobbying and public relations firm to do work for the organizations, thereby channeling between 49% and 79% of all donations made to the groups into his own pocket."
http://bermanexposed.org/facts
binky (anonymous profile)
October 16, 2011 at 10:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Richard Berman is President, Berman and Company, and:
• Executive Director, Rethink Reform
• Executive Director, HumaneWatch.org
• Executive Director, DefeatTheDebt.com
• Executive Director, Activist Cash
• Executive Director, AnimalScam
• Executive Director, PhysicianScam
• Executive Director, PETA Kills Animals
• Executive Director, SweetScam
• Executive Director, FishScam.com
• Executive Director, Center for Consumer Freedom
• Executive Director, American Beverage Institute
• Executive Director, CSPIscam
• Executive Director, Employment Policies Institute
• Executive Director, Interlock Facts
• Executive Director, Mercuryfacts
• Executive Director, SunLightScam
• Executive Director, TeacherUnionFacts
• Executive Director, The Center for Union Facts
• Executive Director, Employee Freedom Action Committee
• Executive Director, Econ4U.org
• Executive Director, IncomeTaxFacts.org
• Executive Director, Rotten Acorn
• General Counsel, Employment Policies Institute
The New York Times wrote this, in one of many articles on Berman over the years:
"Across two decades, Mr. Berman has founded the Center for Consumer Freedom and five other nonprofits with similarly innocuous names. His industry donors — including restaurant chains whose costs could rise if living conditions for animals have to be improved, and wine and spirits companies that might sell less liquor if MADD has its way — can claim a deduction for charitable donations or business expenses. And since nonprofit groups do not have to disclose their donors, Mr. Berman’s groups offer an even more valuable asset — anonymity for companies that would rather their customers not know they are behind certain attacks."
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/18/us/...
Now, Mr. ABCSB, if you can't see the difference between lobbying on behalf of any industry who chooses to poison or pollute in order to maintain profit, and someone who draws a paycheck to protect the public health and safety, then, my friend, I'm afraid I can't help you.
binky (anonymous profile)
October 16, 2011 at 10:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"These GIVE-ME-SOMETHING-FOR-NOTHING folks have a massive case of a sense of entitlement. If it's too much trouble to carry a reusable bag to the market perhaps they should just cut out the middle man and go eat at the shelter."
- taz
None of us who are opposed to this braindead decision by the city council are opposed to it because we will no longer receive "free" bags. We are opposed to it because merchants will no longer have the choice of offering "free" bags to their customers. And, anyone who ever thought that those bags are free needs to take some business courses. The bags, just like rent, electricity, insurance, advertising, maintenance, security, etc., are all factored into the store's pricing structure. The bags are just another operating expense. There has always been a tacit agreement between consumers and merchants in that regard. Those who were opposed to the bags could buy reusable bags, or simply decide to shop elsewhere. You'll notice that this provided choice all around. Now, many choices have been removed. And, once the bags go away, I seriously doubt we'll see a corresponding reduction in prices. Maybe the city council can start telling businesses how much they can charge for their goods now. Hell, why not?
"Food is not a basic human right. If it was food would be free."
- taz
I totally agree. Just like health care and housing.
waz (anonymous profile)
October 17, 2011 at 9:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It is not difficult to find reasonably priced reusable grocery tote bags online. Once example of a product that is made from 100% recycled plastic bottles can be found at: http://www.reuseit.com/store/smartcyc...
One does not have to look far to find other choices available on the internet in order to find economical, washable and environmentally friendly alternatives to single use plastic. Biggest challenge: remembering to put them in the car!
additionalinfo (anonymous profile)
October 17, 2011 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm just going to do some of my shopping in Goleta. When I do, I'll make sure I grab plenty of extra bags. That way I can continue using VONS bags in the Carpinteria VONS, and tell the Carpinteria City Council to stick their ban where the sun don't shine.
waz (anonymous profile)
October 17, 2011 at 9:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Read it all, posts included, & as w/ ANY environmentally charged politically correct decision those in charge make for us because they "know better than we do" only leads me to say the following: FOLLOW THE $$$ :) henry
hank (anonymous profile)
October 18, 2011 at 11:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Could all of you repeat that?
billclausen (anonymous profile)
October 22, 2011 at 1:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)