As a matter of policy, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (aka ObamaCare) is a disaster for this country on numerous levels. It is already driving up costs much faster than they were going up previously, and dramatically increasing premiums for companies and individuals alike. This law is delivering results that are directly opposite of what was promised.
It retains everything that is wrong with our current system, primarily the third-party payer structure, and adds layers of inefficiency, regulation, and cost-shifting, resulting in a system that is economically unviable. The President’s solution to control exploding costs is to empower a group of 15 unelected and unaccountable “experts” who will decide what will be covered and for whom, in essence making life and death decisions from an office in D.C.
This group has the Orwellian title of the “Independent Payment Advisory Board” or IPAB. The IPAB has unprecedented powers to both legislate and execute, a clear violation of the separation of powers.
If ObamaCare stands as the law of the land, say hello to rationing by government fiat. These 15 IPAB know-it-alls get to decide which procedures and drugs will be covered and for whom and which won’t; if you don’t like their decisions, too bad. The elderly will inevitably bear the consequences of this arbitrary approach, as they are the largest consumers of health services. The IPAB will cut first where the biggest costs are.
I have always found it curious, indeed inexplicable, why some people are so anxious to submit themselves to such control by others. Willing to give away their freedoms and choices for some undefined degree of apparent security. But so it is. We’ve been conditioned to hate insurance companies but you can get another insurance company. You can’t get another government.
But the most fundamental problem with this law is how it alters our relationship with our government. The first obligation of our federal government under our Constitution is to preserve our liberties, not take them. That is why the Bill of Rights, the first Ten Amendments, was passed shortly after the Constitution was ratified.
Our federal government is one of limited and specifically enumerated powers. Those powers not specifically given to the federal government remain the province of the states or the people. The 10th Amendment is clear and specific in this regard.
This brings us to the legal debate over ObamaCare playing out in our courts. Over half of the states have sued the federal government over the individual mandate and the Medicaid provisions in the bill. When we have over half of the states in our union suing the government over a bill that passed over the direct opposition of the American people, one could easily conclude we have a serious problem with the law. Indeed we do.
The fundamental issue is the “individual mandate” which is the legal requirement to purchase health insurance or pay a fine. At issue is the government’s assertion that the “Commerce Clause,” which gives the federal government the authority to regulate commence between the states, allows them to compel a private citizen to buy a product.
The case at its core is really about individual liberty, states’ rights, and our system of federalism, not about health care or health insurance. The implications beyond health care cannot be overstated.
This case strikes at the fundamental principles of our system of government. It is about whether or not there remain any constraints on federal power or its reach into our daily lives. If the federal government, under the force of law, can compel a private citizen to enter into a legally binding private contract as a condition of merely existing, they can force us to do anything.
Many point to the fact that states require a driver to purchase automobile insurance and that means its OK to force us to buy health insurance. There are two huge holes in this argument. First, the states are not the federal government, and the federal government has no general police power to enact such laws for the public good. Secondly, the requirement to buy car insurance is in order to engage in the privilege of driving. Forcing somebody to buy health insurance merely because they breathe is quite another matter.
You can choose not to drive; you can’t choose not to breathe. This is an issue of fundamental individual liberty. It is a direct attack on a bedrock principle of our nation.
Our federal government is torturing both the Commerce Clause and the Necessary and Proper Clause of our Constitution into a legal pretzel trying to redefine over 200 years of legal precedent in order to salvage this assault on our liberties. If they succeed, our country will be much less free.
No matter which side of the health care debate people reside on, they should not be anxious to see their hard-won personal liberties stripped from them in this manner. Once these are gone, we are unlikely to get them back.
Tom Watson has declared his intention to run for Congress in California's 23rd District.


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Was RomneyCare a disaster? Me thinks this is biased.
tabatha (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 12:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I love it when people lob me softballs to hit out of the park...
Do you know the difference between RomneyCare and our proposed nationalized program? I do. While I'm not a particular fan of the Massachussets program, the populace is in overwhelming agreement that it's a good program as you are not PROHIBITED or financially chastised for having your own plan of your personal choosing. To repeat a rant from previous Indy comments, I make my living developing methodologies, devices, and approaches to solve medical problems all over the world. Over 75% of all medical innovations come from the U.S. By every objective analysis this percentage will go down under ObamaCare. Further, the majority of systems around the world either do not work or are not predicates for our complex problem. Germany is pretty good, and France is OK but they have different economic and social issues. The wait for good care in the U.K. and Sweden for example is attrocious which is why I conduct so much of my research in those countries because people are willing to get access to experimental techniques, which are allowed, so that they do not have to seek proven therapy, which is rationed, outside of their home country.
And no, ObamaCare will not affect my income because academic institutions and industry fund my efforts, not our bizarre insurance system.
The proposed solution has nothing to do with the problem. Just because parts of our system suck does not mean ObamaCare is logical. Further, show up at any ER and you will get care without cost. Period.
italiansurg (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 1:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Great, I know who I won't be getting my vote! Thanks for making that a bit easier, Mr. Watson. By the way, calling it "ObamaCare" is offensive, simplistic, and indicative of the narrow mindset with which you would approach a job in Washington. Keep your day job, dude.
Peace.
sbnative08 (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The Dem's themselves often refer to the program as ObamaCare, albeit less now that the Right uses the term pejoratively. I suppose you would prefer a euphimism like "universal healthcare" which is a misnomer beyond belief since there a number of ways to functionally get universal care without telling someone like me I will not be allowed to purchase whatever I want.
italiansurg (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I understand Tom Watson's concern about the affordable care bill and finding out what it will actually accomplish. So here is a list (keep track in your own mind of which of these provisions you disagree with):
(1) An end to pre-existing conditions as a reason for denying insurance to children
(2) Small business tax credits
(3) Seniors get "donut hole" rebate to offset the lack of coverage over $2700 per year
(4) Cut off age for young adults to be covered under parents plan is raised to 27
(5) No lifetime caps that would ban coverage
(6) Adults with pre-existing conditions are covered
(7) New insurance plans must include preventative care
(8) Insurance companies cannot cut you off once you become sick
(9) Insurers must reveal how much money is spent on overhead
(10) New plans must include an appeals process for claims
(11) A new tax will be imposed on indoor tanning services
(12) New screening implemented to eliminate health care fraud
(13) Medicare expanded to rural hospitals
(14) Deductions for Blue Cross and Blue Shield
(15) Chain restaurants must disclose nutrient content of food
(16) Better coverage for early retirees
(17) A new web site set up to check out new health care options
(18) Two year temporary credit to encourage new therapies
By the way, here is my source:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03...
By the way, what is the source for the claims you are making Mr Watson?
And which of these measures specifically do you find offensive? Are they all really that heinous to you?
I guess it goes along the lines of: "Please don't confuse me with the facts, I've already made up my mind."
-BobG
laslo (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 1:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey all you simpletons, make sure you don't "offend" SBNative. He might criticize YOUR "narrow mindset."
Scooter (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 3:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
SWEET! So the whole Supreme Court case is based upon the unconstitutionality of forcing me to buy insurance? Wait, I'm already forced to buy CAR insurance and HOMEOWNERS insurance. Does this mean I can stop paying that expense too Tom? AWESOME.
The fact is that medicine for profit sucks. The biggest problem with politics is that our representatives face the following choice: Sell out to special interests (like INSURANCE COMANIES) OR lose. It shouldn't take $611,864 (that's quite a chunk of change) for you to win office Tom, to whom exactly are you beholden?
First of all I'm not really in love with the compromise plan that Obama signed but to label it "Obamacare" is lame since it's not what he wanted in the first place.
If we want to fix medicine in the USA we need to do the following:
1) Make Medical School Affordable. You shouldn't need to be the child of a billionaire in order to be able to afford medical school. If you're not rich you also shouldn't need to come out of school deeply in debt.
2) Create a hybrid public/private medical system where "preventative" medicine is free for all and "specialized" medicine is covered by (mandatory) private insurance. In other words physicals, eye checkups, routine dental is all FREE for everyone whereas brain-surgery is covered by insurance. Simple huh?
3) Tort reform for malpractice.
4) Jail time for frivolous lawsuits.
5) Many of the reforms launched by Obamacare should be kept like allowing the "pre-existing condition" stuff and spending caps.
How many NEW medical schools have opened in the past 30 years? Has that growth kept pace with population growth? No it hasn't, not even close. Open new medical schools, educate doctors MUCH less expensively and thereby increase the supply of doctors. Remove red tape and insurance paperwork BS. Make preventative medicine and health counseling FREE yet also require private (and thereby much less expensive) insurance for the rest of stuff.
Go make it happen Tom, and ohmigawd you are SO welcome. The flack has been sawed....
flacksaw (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 3:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Also---Sure Tom, I can choose not to drive, to work, but then I wouldn't pay taxes so that pols like you can give big tax breaks and porkbarrel projects to their cronies.
On the other hand I suppose I could use the lame-o "public" transportation system that conservatives like you refuse to fund and really doesn't exist. That way I could turn my 1 hour commute into 2.5 hours. But then I'd never see my family and be home to raise my son which has a whole host of negative ramifications for society. Great plan my man, real nice.
How bout you get out there and push REAL campaign finance reform? I mean reform on the DEMAND side so that people like you aren't required to be sell-outs. In other words make gaining elective office even cheaper than going to medical school, or maybe even free? Yes, now THAT would be an accomplishment to be proud of.
Now off you go to protect the interests of the 1%!
flacksaw (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 3:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Health care became conflated with health insurance coverage. They aren't one and the same. Healthcare is not a right. No one has the right to goods and services that are provided by others.
Health insurance became prepaid healthcare in peoples' minds. They figure they are paying all those premiums each month; they want something back. They feel entitled to get something. They want all aspects of medical care for free, just by plunking down an insurance card.
Car insurance doesn't pay for oil or tire changes. Homeowner's insurance doesn't cover painting the kitchen or redoing the bathroom. Health insurance was originally meant to cover catastrophic costs. It's a very inefficient system to try to pay for routine visits and health maintenance. Think of all the folks you have to hire to process all those small ticket nickel and dime claims. During WWII when salaries were otherwise frozen, the way big companies could reward their loyal workers was by increasing what their health insurance would cover.
Why should doctors have to wait to be "reimbursed" at 50 cents on the dollar (or less), months after they've given service to a patient? We pay our attorneys, accountants and even our hair dressers at the time of service. Why should medical care be so very different?
Ya want "free care?" Single-party payor? Good luck with finding a quality doctor who will be willing to take your government insurance and its crappy reimbursement. Get ready for system bloat and inefficiency. Get ready to wait weeks to see newly minted PAs (physician assistants) and Dr. nurses who don't know what they don't know. Think that will keep costs down?
Do a little research in what is happening to Medicare right now.
sez_me (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 4:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I will definitely be choosing not to vote for Watson based on this peurile piece of pandering alone. Hope the candidates in the race get the same opportunity to present a case .
Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 4:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm not sure where I stand on the law that's been put in place, but I do think SOMETHING had to change.
But here's something I have not seen the anti-reform people explain:
They rail against the mandate of buying insurance because it is against the constitution and will drive up costs.
But, we are ALREADY paying for the uninsured now! What happens if someone uninsured goes to the ER? Do they get turned away, "sorry, no Blue Cross, go die on someone else's property". They get care and we all pay for it.
So it seems to me the mandate is simply trying to make things cheaper so that the uninsured can pay their own way instead of the rest of us paying for them.
cycleboy (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 4:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
When someone begins a piece with a claim about how much a particular program is costing but fails to offer any actual numbers or objective, measurable proof of that claim, it's hard to take the rest of his tirade as anything more than the bellowing of a partisan blowhard.
pk (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 5:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I didn't see any proposals from Tom Watson to get affordable health care for American's, did you?
PBS did a great overview of how inefficient and expensive our profit-obsessed health care system is compared to other industrialized nations. Watch online here:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontli...
EastBeach (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 6:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Tom, you are obviously part of the problem. Here is the simple solution to health care: deny coverage to anyone who is not A: a rich entitled writer with a credit card, like Tom, B:insured. The rush to sign up would be immediate.
shortrees (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 6:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"As a matter of policy, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (aka ObamaCare) is a disaster for this country on numerous levels."
As opposed to the disaster that already exists (on numerous levels)?
oyansa (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 6:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Has anyone noticed the Indy's cover story this week is a prime example of how broken our current healthcare system is?
http://www.independent.com/news/2011/...
Bad timing for Watson, it makes him look like he's complaining to the waiter while the restaurant's on fire.
EastBeach (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 6:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This guy is a fountain of information. I like this factoid: "We’ve been conditioned to hate insurance companies but you can get another insurance company."
I had no idea that you were now able to simple submit a new application to a new insurance company and away go the pre-existing condition limitations, out of this world premiums or automatic denials of coverage.
So you want us to vote for you because you think it is a "disaster" that we are no longer forced to beg and pay any price to insurance companies who can deny coverage and jack up rates through the roof for the sole purpose of returning record profits? Vote for you and you'll make sure the insurance companies are returned to power. Please don't vote for Tom Watson and let him and his enablers continue to profit while we all get endlessly squeezed.
Don't reward people who tell lies and deceive and throw mud in the gears for their own personal enrichment.
sbgobig (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 7:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I was going to stay out of this, but I can't resist. This is not rocket science folks. Most developed countries have perfectly functional and reasonably priced health care systems. The big secret is that they socialize the process, just like the highway system, national defense, police protection, sewage disposal, street maintenance, and all the other little services that the private sector is unable to provide efficiently and effectively. Can't we just get over our fear of government and accept the best solution. Denmark is a little backwater country that nobody ever hears about, and they have better and cheaper health care than we do. Let's get real folks.
Eckermann (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 7:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree that Obamacare could be much better. But darnit we have far too many republican/conservatives about to have a sane discussion about making it the best that it can be for all of us.
But, if Medicare was good enough for cigarette addicted Ayn Rand then it is good enough for all of us; as most have one addiction and/or another. Perhaps there should be an option to opt-out, literally. In that case you should be required to have a DNR tattoo put on your forehead.
DonMcDermott (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2011 at 9:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"You can't get another government". Please, that's what voting incumbents out of office is all about.
winddancer1562 (anonymous profile)
October 15, 2011 at 6:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
There are good and bad points about the Danish model.
The good part is that it costs less than our system and basic care is pretty darn good.
The bad points are that social factors are not comparable which makes using the system as a direct predicate impossible. At least up until 2008/9, the last time I worked in their system, EVERYONE getting care was required to have a national identification card and/or proof of citizenship. Maybe the progressives omit the little detail that some of these systems are in part successful because the Scandinavian countries in general do not allow any illegal aliens to use public funds or resources. Additionally, they do not have access to the cutting edge level of medical care that Americans now take for granted.
I for one would be happy if the U.S. government would simply create catastrophic care coverage/insurance for everyone, and then leave people like me alone to purchase whatever I can afford on top of their basic system. We already have socialized care in that if you show up at an ER they have to help you. You may wait 2 or 3 hours, but the newsflash is that in most socialized systems you first wait for weeks to be allowed access and then you STILL wait for hours at the hospital.
italiansurg (anonymous profile)
October 15, 2011 at 7:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I share Mr. Watson's concern over the individual mandate, and the right the Federal government is claiming under the commerce clause. It needs to be struck down, not because universal health insurance is a bad thing, but because its not necessary to burn down this important restraint on federal power in all our affairs, for the sake of this one aspect of our lives.
My preferred way to do this, without mangling the interpretation of the constitution, is through the income tax code and by provision of a basic federal catastrophic care plan for everyone who doesn't have a private plan; high deductibles, keep it very basic and essential, pays for nothing thats routine. You get a tax credit if you file a certificate of private insurance with your W2, and you won't get the federal cover. So if you don't want to voluntarily buy private cover, that's cool, nobody will force you .... but you will have it regardless, and you will be sacrificing your tax credit to pay for it, and we won't have to watch you die for the lack of it.
I'd like to see Mr. Watson's views on this approach. Are the legal challenges just about defeating universal cover and that's it ... or are they about providing universal catastrophic cover in a manner that respects freedom of choice? Those of us who dig individual responsibility and the right to choose still need a much better answer than "let him die" when they ask "that question." You know, the one about the guy who gets deathly ill, having chosen not to buy insurance either for lack of resources or lack of brains. Let's just let him live, having freely chosen to give up his insurance tax credit, whatever the reason he had for not buying insurance on his own.
OldDawg (anonymous profile)
October 15, 2011 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I could not agree more OldDawg, and the beauty of this is we don't have to give up any personal rights, face legitimate challenges in the Supreme Court, or jump into a "new and better" system with too many holes in it.
italiansurg (anonymous profile)
October 15, 2011 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Wait times are equal or worse in the U.S. for critical care and necessary procedures:
from Business Week:
"If you find a suspicious-looking mole and want to see a dermatologist, you can expect an average wait of 38 days in the U.S., and up to 73 days if you live in Boston, according to researchers at the University of California at San Francisco who studied the matter. Got a knee injury? A 2004 survey by medical recruitment firm Merritt, Hawkins & Associates found the average time needed to see an orthopedic surgeon ranges from 8 days in Atlanta to 43 days in Los Angeles. Nationwide, the average is 17 days. "Waiting is definitely a problem in the U.S., especially for basic care," says Karen Davis, president of the nonprofit Commonwealth Fund, which studies health-care policy.
The Commonwealth survey did find that U.S. patients had the second-shortest wait times if they wished to see a specialist or have nonemergency surgery, such as a hip replacement or cataract operation (Germany, which has national health care, came in first on both measures). But Gerard F. Anderson, a health policy expert at Johns Hopkins University, says doctors in countries where there are lengthy queues for elective surgeries put at-risk patients on the list long before their need is critical. "Their wait might be uncomfortable, but it makes very little clinical difference," he says.
"The Commonwealth study did find one area where the U.S. was first by a wide margin: 51% of sick Americans surveyed did not visit a doctor, get a needed test, or fill a prescription within the past two years because of cost. No other country came close."
"...A 2004 survey by medical recruitment firm Merritt, Hawkins & Associates found the average time needed to see an orthopedic surgeon ranges from 8 days in Atlanta to 43 days in Los Angeles. Nationwide, the average is 17 days. "Waiting is definitely a problem in the U.S., especially for basic care," says Karen Davis, president of the nonprofit Commonwealth Fund, which studies health-care policy.
"All this time spent "queuing," as other nations call it, stems from too much demand and too little supply. Only one-third of U.S. doctors are general practitioners, compared with half in most European countries. On top of that, only 40% of U.S. doctors have arrangements for after-hours care, vs. 75% in the rest of the industrialized world. Consequently, some 26% of U.S. adults in one survey went to an emergency room in the past two years because they couldn't get in to see their regular doctor, a significantly higher rate than in other countries."
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/...
binky (anonymous profile)
October 15, 2011 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Private Spending on Health Care per Capita, 2008
Excluding Out-of-Pocket Spending, Adjusted for Differences in the Cost of Living
-- US citizens pay 5 times as much as other countries.
We are also #1 in the following:
- Health Care Spending per Capita
- Total expenditures on health as percent of GDP
- Average spending on health per capita
- Percentage of Gross Domestic Product Spent on Health Care
- Health Care Expenditure per Capita all sources
- Spending on Hospital Services per Capita
- Hospital Spending per Discharge
- Pharmaceutical Spending per Capita
- Drug Prices (highest) for 30 Most Commonly Prescribed Drugs
- Cost of Knee and Hip Prostheses to Providers
- Asthma Admission Rates per 100,000 Population,
- Diabetes Acute Complications Admission Rates
- Congestive Heart Failure Admission Rates
- Diabetes Lower Extremity Amputation Rates
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and last in the following
(usually among the following industrialized nations: France Switzerland, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Germany, Netherlands, UK, Denmark):
- Life Expectancy at Birth
- Life Expectancy at Age 65 (2nd to last)
- Increase in Life Expectancy at Birth
- Increase in Life Expectancy at Age 65
- Average Annual Number of Physician Visits per Capita (2nd to last)
- Average Annual Growth Rate of Practicing Physicians
- Number of Practicing Physicians per 1,000 Population
- Long-Term Care Beds in Nursing Homes (2nd to last)
- Percentage of Total Health Care Spending on Long-Term Nursing Care
- Number of Acute Care Hospital Beds (3rd to last)
- Average Length of Stay for Normal Birth Delivery (3rd to last)
- Percentage of Total Health Care Spending on Hospital Services (3rd to last)
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/med...
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Spending more, getting less. Sicker and less served by our national system. What's to save in this system?
binky (anonymous profile)
October 15, 2011 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Maybe you should talk to the people who are willing to buy insurance yet are denied before you make these conclusions.
We have to pay taxes anyway (too bad..it's the cost of having a civilized society). The mandate is actually only a tax. So what is the difference?
srl2112 (anonymous profile)
October 15, 2011 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I like Old Dawg's idea better than Romneycare.
Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
October 15, 2011 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow. You guys need to learn how to read. If you bother to actually read the article he address how the comparison to auto insurance doesn't apply. The federal and state governments are two different things with different authority granted under our Constitution. Read and think before launching these tirades. You don't know what you are talking about.
Secondly. The point of this article is that the individual mandate is unconstitutional and is more likely than not to be ruled as such. I suggest you folks read some of the rulings and legal briefs on the subject and think for a minute what it means to our freedoms if you allow the federal government to force us to buy health insurance.
Think a little bit. You libs are supposed all about freedom, why you are so anxious to give it away is a mystery. Read these and give us your expert reasoned legal opinions:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/35244892/La...
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions...
If you understood what is happening here you would demand this be repealed. Everything stated in this article is accurate, do a little research in something other than the Huffpo or DailyKos.
CommonSenseSB (anonymous profile)
October 15, 2011 at 10:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
So, all you ObamaCare fans, if this law is so great, someone explain why the Obama Admin just bailed on the long term care provisions? The stated reason was it was economically unsustainable. This was supposed to be one of the great "benefits" of this fiasco.
CommonSenseSB (anonymous profile)
October 15, 2011 at 11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I find it interesting that four years ago almost every Prius in SB had an Obama sticker proudly displayed for all to see! Four yeas before that Kerry Edwards stickers ruled the asses of the cars blocking my way!
I've been wondering why I don't see many Obama stickers anymore.
Who ever invented bumper sticker glue remover must be one of those rich bastards indie readers hate.
ramoncramon (anonymous profile)
October 16, 2011 at 8:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Most rational people other than the marxist faction of the left are slowly realizing Obama is a complete disaster.
When I do see the rare Obama sticker on the bumper I always drive by and look at them and wonder what the hell is wrong with them.....
CommonSenseSB (anonymous profile)
October 16, 2011 at 11:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I am frequently told by my right wing buddies that the Canadian health care model is so flawed that Canadians come to our country for their healthcare. I invite these buddies to introduce me to one or more of these Canadians but they are unable to produce anyone who opposes the Canadian model.
I, on the other hand, have met numerous Canadians who love their healthcare system and have no desire to change it. The problem with our healthcare system here in the states is that it simply doesn't go far enough.
buckwheat (anonymous profile)
October 17, 2011 at 9:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Good piece in today's WSJ. ObamaCare starts to unravel:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001...
You folks that support this travesty need to wake up. This whole entire law is just like Class. The economics don't work.
CommonSenseSB (anonymous profile)
October 17, 2011 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Looking forward to Tom Watson explaining to voters why that 18-point list above is so very bad for them and telling voters why they will be better off with higher bills for their insurance, bigger donut holes, and insurance taken away if "Obamacare" ends.
Good luck with that.
John_Adams (anonymous profile)
October 17, 2011 at 11:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Many of those assertions are very misleading at best. If you think health care is so great elsewhere I suggest you go there. The simple fact of the matter is we have the highest quality overall care anywhere. If you get sick you want to be here, not England or any of these other socialized medicine countries.
Costs are going up faster now than they were before the law passed, that isn't even arguable. More people are uninsured now as a consequence of increasing costs and the recession. The Medicaid mandates are going to crush states with additional costs when they are already drowning in debt.
You will likely lose your employer provided insurance if this goes into effect. You guys seem to think you can just mandate all this stuff and there is no consequence. You're incorrect, this law will destroy our health care system.
BTW, none of you have addressed the core issue of the article which is the individual mandate is un-constitutional.
CommonSenseSB (anonymous profile)
October 17, 2011 at 1:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"CommonSenseSB," the stats I put up from the Commonwealth Survey of a dozen industrialized nations kicks to the curb your bald assertion:
"The simple fact of the matter is we have the highest quality overall care anywhere."
Not at all simple, and far from a fact. In fact, you have provided none.
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And you provide nothing to back up these half-formed claims:
- "If you get sick you want to be here, not England or any of these other socialized medicine countries." (based on what: wait times, access to care, cost, outcomes?)
- "More people are uninsured now as a consequence of increasing costs and the recession." (citation needed)
- "You will likely lose your employer provided insurance if this goes into effect." (again, citation needed)
- "You guys seem to think you can just mandate all this stuff and there is no consequence." (who said that?)
- "You're incorrect, this law will destroy our health care system." (assuming we have a 'system,' from where do you draw this conclusion? Destroy it for whom?)
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Mr. CommonSenseSB, if you insist on shilling for Tom Watson -- or if you ARE Tom Watson -- realize you need to bring something other than belligerent claims to this forum.
binky (anonymous profile)
October 17, 2011 at 2:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OK binky,
You asked for you got it, plus a threw in some extras to hopefully educate you disciples of government run health care. Have fun. There is lots more. If you have an open mind you might actually learn something.
PS: you folks still haven’t addresses the Constitutionality issue. Still waiting.
How government mandates increase cost of insurance:
http://www.bcbst.com/learn/affordabil...
http://www.american.com/archive/2011/...
http://www.cahi.org/cahi_contents/res...
Health care cost increase expected under new law:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/24/hea...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001...
Small business expect health care costs to run up due to ObamaCare:
http://www.nfib.com/research-foundati...
The cost of RomneyCare (ObamaCare modeled after RomneyCare):
http://www.beaconhill.org/BHIStudies/...
More uninsured: “In 2008, when George W. Bush was president, according to Gallup, 14.9 percent of adult residents of the United States lacked health insurance coverage. That increased to 16.2 percent in 2009, the year that Obama was inaugurated, and to 16.4 percent in 2010, the year that Obama signed his law requiring that all Americans have health insurance.”
ObamaCare waivers:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbando...
How ObamaCare explodes the deficit:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferr...
ObamaCare bad news continues by the dreaded Karl Rove:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001...
IPAB an impossible task:
http://www.pacificresearch.org/public...
No, you can’t keep your health insurance:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001...
http://www.galen.org/fileuploads/Heal...
Medicaid costs to the states under ObamaCare:
http://www.cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/Sta...
Top ten failures of ObamaCare after one year:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.ph...
Mass. Health reform mess shows dangers of Obamacare:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001...
Bad medicine, a guide to the consequences of PPACA:
http://www.cato.org/pubs/wtpapers/Bad...
Why health care law increased debt:
http://economics21.org/commentary/why...
CommonSenseSB (anonymous profile)
October 17, 2011 at 8:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
binky, et al,
Here's some more. We'll be here waiting for your enlightened commentary:
ObamaCare claims “false more than true”, Medicare’s Chief Actuary:
http://budget.house.gov/healthcare/he...
Wasn’t ObamaCare supposed to reduce rates?
http://www.nationalreview.com/critica...
A tale of two rate increases:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001...
Health costs rise rapidly:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09...
Wonders of Govt. Healthcare
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenso...
You really want the govt. making these kind of decisions?
http://www.heartland.org/healthpolicy...
Tales from the British NHS and Canada
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001...
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnaly...
http://www.nationalreview.com/article...
http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/24/obam...
http://www.nationalreview.com/article...
CommonSenseSB (anonymous profile)
October 17, 2011 at 8:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
binky,
Just for fun, here are a couple of recent hits I chanced upon. I've more than addressed your objections. This is just such a wonderful law I can't believe it:
Bogus study about world health care and the US results. You lefties pin all your arguments on this kind of stuff:
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/art...
Obamacare makes employing workers more expensive. Particularly with families:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Repo...
Employee health costs rising again:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/i...
Higher health insurance premiums this year? Blame Obamacare:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipe...
Obamacare’s growing list of broken promises:
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnaly...
Slow employment growth? Look to Obamacare:
http://www.realclearmarkets.com/artic...
California could pose a problem for Obama’s healthcare reform:
http://www.latimes.com/health/la-na-c...
Why health exchanges won’t work (key to Obamacare):
http://www.pacificresearch.org/public...
http://reason.com/blog/2011/09/12/tro...
Obamacare has sent costs soaring:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/...
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnaly...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipe...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001...
British:
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-sty...
http://www.examiner.com/law-enforceme...
http://spectator.org/archives/2011/08...
Canada:
http://www.fraserinstitute.org/resear...
http://www.fraserinstitute.org/upload...
http://www.fraserinstitute.org/upload...
CommonSenseSB (anonymous profile)
October 17, 2011 at 9:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Re: all those magical 18 points about how terrible US healthcare is, here is another research piece about your international data that much of the push to nationalize our healthcare is based upon. This is long and detailed but well sourced.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-613.pdf
So, those studies you pin all your hopes on are hopelessly flawed at best and outright deceptive at worst. In case you missed this one:
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/art...
I don't see too many people rushing to Canada, or England or any other country with govt. run healthcare to get critical care. Never mind the vast majority of medical innovation, drug development, equipment innovation occurs in the US. That will end under Obamacare as the incentive to innovate will decrease dramatically. How does that help anyone?
The direction Obama has taken us has a very predictable and undesirable destination if you bother to actually pay attention and have a half-way open mind. Why you folks have so much confidence in our government to run 1/6th of our economy in a command and control fashion is beyond me. They have demonstrated rank incompetence so far. Again, just to review how incompetent they are here is the CLASS act blowup just this week:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001...
CommonSenseSB (anonymous profile)
October 17, 2011 at 10:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Here is the neutron bomb that has been detonated that no politician is discussing: None of this conversation matters as long as our population is increasingly undereducated.
We can argue about socialized medicine vs. free market politics until we're blue in the face but what difference does it make if our society isn't educating people to become doctors and nurses?
Supply and demand; the doctor-to-patient ratio will become more disparate. The largest increasing demographic in the country is low-skilled people. You figure out the rest.
billclausen (anonymous profile)
October 18, 2011 at 1:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
OK, I'll be less subtle: To those who argue that we need more cheap immigrant labor I ask you "where are the doctors going to come from to take care if this rapidly increasing population?"
Get them from other countries?...that is unfair to the people in those countries who need them.
Take a look at a high school class today and compare it to fifty years ago and it will make sense. No, this isn't "immigrant bashing", it's the plain truth and we are all (including those here legally and illegally) affected by this.
billclausen (anonymous profile)
October 18, 2011 at 1:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)
bill,
You raise a good point. Many doctors are refusing to take new Medicare and Medicaid patients because they lose money on them. What good is it having insurance if nobody will take it?
We are increasingly getting primary care docs from foreign medical schools because US trained docs opt for specialties. Many docs are opting to retire early. Most docs hate Obamacare.
CommonSenseSB (anonymous profile)
October 18, 2011 at 9:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Single-payer universal healthcare for ALL now!!!!
Draxor (anonymous profile)
October 18, 2011 at 7:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Obviously you can't read Draxor.
Still waiting binky......
CommonSenseSB (anonymous profile)
October 18, 2011 at 8:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Obviously you can't read Draxor."
Draxor IS entertaining.
billclausen (anonymous profile)
October 19, 2011 at 1:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I love all of these lefties that are saying Tom Watson lost their vote because of this article. Yeah, right! They were really going to vote for him before he wrote this. What a shocker! A conservative opposes such a stupid lefty idea as Obamacare! Go figure!
waz (anonymous profile)
October 19, 2011 at 8:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Still waiting binky......or any of you Obamacare fans.
Hmmm. I find it interesting our government health care disciples haven't seen fit to comment, cogently anyway, since they were presented some information that directly contradicts what they believe.
Are their beliefs really that shallow they can't make a reasoned and rational fact based argument when confronted by uncomfortable facts?
Disappointing.
CommonSenseSB (anonymous profile)
October 19, 2011 at 11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You shut poor binky down! Poor binky! Too many facts!
waz (anonymous profile)
October 20, 2011 at 8:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Binky is away from her computer at this time. She will return after this commercial message. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BQFv8...
billclausen (anonymous profile)
October 20, 2011 at 9:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Mr. CommonSenseSB, if you insist on shilling for Tom Watson -- or if you ARE Tom Watson -- realize you need to bring something other than belligerent claims to this forum."
binky (anonymous profile)
October 17, 2011 at 2:11 p.m.
Binky: I know that Mr. CommonSenseSB is NOT Tom Watson because I'M Tom Watson, and have been for the last three years.
billclausen (anonymous profile)
October 22, 2011 at 2:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
the crickets from the left are getting louder and louder
CommonSenseSB (anonymous profile)
October 23, 2011 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'd like to throw out an idea just for thought: What if we had government health care--but run at a state or perhaps even county level?
I say this (and it's just a question) because the problem seems to be that when things get into the hands of the Federal government they get messed up because of one entity trying to deal with 300+million (or however many people the U.S. has) people.
If the European countries are having success it could be as the result of smaller populations. Things seem to run better when managed on a closer-to-home level.
billclausen (anonymous profile)
October 23, 2011 at 3:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bill. When was the last time you were at the DMV?
waz (anonymous profile)
October 24, 2011 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
A LONG time ago, and I hope I never have to go near there again. I guess you got me Waz.
billclausen (anonymous profile)
October 24, 2011 at 9:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hmmm. Still no input from binky and the government run health care disciples. Interesting. They seem so convicted about how we absolutely have to do it now, I would think they would want to dismantle all those articles and studies I linked to with all their "facts". Very strange....
CommonSenseSB (anonymous profile)
October 26, 2011 at 10:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Here's piece in today's WSJ on how unpopular ObamaCare is. Repeal this travesty:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001...
CommonSenseSB (anonymous profile)
October 29, 2011 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)