President Mentored by Communist

Even if this were letter were accurate it would better to be a minor communist than a major republican fear mongering political hack.

This is to the SB Independent. Please change the above
title. I did not write it. This article was written to expose
Frank Marshall Davis as a communist and to show that he
influenced President Obama, at a young age. I did not call
our president a communist, but suggested many of his
policies were similar to Davis's ideas.

Diana Thorn

The present headline reflects your thought process, such as it can be called that, and your intent with 100% accuracy. I suspect that the Indy printed your letter to "expose" you and your ilk from the ever-present lunatic fringe for what it is.

From Obama's autobiography: "It made me smile, thinking back on Frank and his old Black Power, dashiki self. In some ways he was as incurable as my mother, as certain in his faith, living in the same sixties time warp that Hawaii had created."

Yep, sounds like some hard core "mentoring" went on.

Please, give it up. Doesn't Glen Beck have a website or a book club or something?

Some people can't call Obama what they want to, so they use the word 'communist' or 'socialist' instead. What's really going on with these people is called racism.

I agree Diana, Obama is the most Communist influenced Moderate Republican President the U.S has ever known.

Can you plese follow up on your last letter to the Indy opinion page regarding how my new Smart Meter is rationing my energy use? If you could also suggest the best brand of Foil to reflect Trilateral Comission control waves and a few tips on escaping an alien Anal Probe I would appreciate those submissions as well.

Thank you SB Independent for correcting the title. It is
admirable, since the SB Independent tilts left. To those
above, you are not facing reality and are just making stuff
up about me. To Spacey, you are the racist for bringing up
the subject. I admire a lot of black people, but Obama, who
is half white has destructive policies. All you have to do is
look at the terrible shape America is in today. To Zappa, I
am not a Glen Beck follower. I read a lot of books and
articles and form my own opinions. Have you read the
book about Frank Marshall Davis, the Amateur, and have
you seen the Movie 2016 Obama's America. I doubt it.
Furthermore,stumbling distance, I have friends who are
Democrats, and they do not recognize their party today.
It is under the control of far left politicians and Chicago
thugs. Obama has tried to conceal his far-left leanings.
This is why all his school records, medical records, Social
Security records and college papers are sealed. We are
just beginning to see who he is because he is catering to
extreme groups in an effort to win the election. If Obama
is re-elected, our economy will go into a depression, the
government will take over everything, the military will be
further gutted and Israel will not get our support. Is this
what you want?

Spent my lunch looking into this ...

Author Paul Kengor is on the faculty of Grove City College, a small private Christian liberal arts college that ranks as one of the most politically conservative colleges in America. The college has unusually strong ties with ultra-conservative and Libertarian organizations:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grove_Ci...

Kengor runs 'The Center for Vision and Values'. Read his blog here and you'll get a sense of the man:

http://www.visionandvalues.org/author...

Diana Thorn's reference to the AP quote actually comes from Kengor. If you read the entire AP article, which appeared in USA Today prior to the 2008 election, you can see there's been cherry picking of quotes:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics...

Doesn't seem to be much substance here. I'm sure Kengor will make lots of dough off his book though.

Spacey: Your comment puts you in the same league as the birther nuts.

Somebody who hates me said something bad about me, it must be true.

East Beach,
Have you read Kengor's book about Frank Marshall
Davis? He documents everything.

@thethorns4, I've read enough of Kengor's blog to know where he stands. And I've read enough reviews of his book to know it would be a waste of money.

And for anyone who thinks a fun weekend would include reading Kengor's book "The Communist" and taking in a matinee to see "2016", I encourage you to read this profile of Dinesh D’Souza, the sophist mind behind the book "The Roots of Obama's Rage" that "2016" is based on:

http://nymag.com/news/features/kings-...

Really interesting how some private Christian colleges (e.g. those Kengor and D'Souza are at) are being used by ultra-conservatives to wage political & cultural war.

To East Beach,
How do you know the book is a waste of time. Many of
the facts come from FBI files and other documents. You are
making assumptions, if you did not read the book. I was
surprised by what I read. And by the way, I am not a
conservative Republican. I could just as easily be an
Independent. As usual Christians are blamed. What if what
they say are true? What would are future look like? Dark?

we've all had various and weird mentors as we grow into what we've become, why shouldn't Obama and others face a variety of influences...Diana Thorn is a tedious Tea Party fanatic; this story has no substance.

I started Paul Ryan's speech a die-hard Capitalist and left it a militant Marxist.

Spacey is correct.

Taking the letter at face value, it doesn't make a strong case. Spacey: Calling someone a racist because they disagree or personally dislike Obama is silly, and it's getting timeworn.

I'm not planning to vote for Romney nor Obama, so am I a racist, or a communist?

Thank you Diana for pointing out that Obama is not a communist, he's just putting communist ideas into practice. Unfortunately you fall to mention just what those communist ideas are and the "extreme" groups to which he is catering. Please provide details so that we can better judge how seriously to take your concerns.

So Spacey and Taz, then the flip-side must be that if one doesn't like Romney, it has nothing to do with his policies -- it can only be because those folks hate Mormons and therefore are vile, hateful, intolerant, bigots.

it never occurred to me Obama could be a super sleeper commie/muslim/destroyer of america and capitalism agent.

certainly a devious plan...beginning with the fake newspaper birth notice 50 years ago and managing to fool the NSA, CIA, FBI and the rest of the alphabet all along the way. if he gets back in, he has a lot of work to complete our destruction in the next four years.

i see your point Ms Thorn...makes perfect sense..thanks for being vigilant and opening my eyes.

i'm sure, like me, you were also perturbed to see Sheriff Arpaio in the convention audience last night and yet no tv time. that's not right.

lawdy, lawdy, you are funny and you are totally correct: Obama IS the new Manchurian Candidate and he's been mining away trying to bring us down...for almost 4 years now! Yeah, his guys got Osama, but that was a trick, too, right? Saving GM, getting us out of Iraq, ...it's all to bring us low, AND he's a commie-pinko-fascist... sorry, Spacey's right.

I loath both Bush and Obama so I must be a closet bigot AND a closet hater of faux Texans(is there a term for that?).
And yes Scooter, the same crowd that decries criticism of Obama as being rooted in some weird and unprovable deep psychological hole seems willing to make fun of Romney for the reasons you mentioned.
Fair enough: if you hate Romney and/or Obama you must be a bigot...

Wonder if Condoleezza Rice will run for governor in 2014? Spacey could vote for her - and prove that he isn't a racist like all of those who oppose Obama.

Romney's being attacked for being a liar whose policies will further the interests of his own class at the expense of others. Obama is being attacked for his policies but also because he's a foreign-born muslim communist committed to destroying the United States by enslaving us all and giving the undeserving poor free welfare.
italiansurg:
Which of the people who decry the racist attacks on Obama are using the same degree of venom in attacking Romney for being a Mormon?

Unfortunately, racism is alive and well in the U.S. and the GOP as exemplified by these two ugly events that just occurred at the Republican National Convention:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/s...

Both (the shouting down of the delegate from Puerto Rico and the heckling of the black CNN camerawoman) are just being reported, so pick your favorite media outlet.

Does this mean *all* conservatives who don't like Obama have racist motivations? Of course not. Hopefully the numbers are much lower than what we perceive through the lens of mass media.

Then again, a school kid can Google and find all sorts of racial hatred coming from the right aimed at Obama.

@pk, I had the same line of thinking.

pk, am confused a bit: many of us do not attack Romney because he's a liar for his class, he's open about it with his desire to extend those jaw-droppingly low tax-rates for the 1% [he does obfuscate by insisting the obscene Bush-era 2002/2003 tax breaks ALSO continue for the middle class. Where I guess Romney fibs pretty badly is in his contention he can balance the budget, pay down some of the debt-bomb, and avoid hacking the bloated defense budget].
I don't see the comparison with charges against Obama that "he's a foreign-born muslim communist committed to destroying the United States by enslaving us all" -- that is not taken seriously by most of the USA, excepting Ms Thorn and Tea Party die-hards in the South and MidWest... their thing is simply fear-based, Know-Nothingism, "let's return to the Golden Age" nostalgia-cum nativism...
and I am not hearing any venom or much of any attacks on Romney's religion, Mormonism. In THE AMERICAN RELIGION critic Harold Bloom honors Mormonism as a singular, original, purely North American messianic faith...I'm not sure many Americans give a damn about it, preferring to hope Romney can fix the economy and create more jobs.

To PK,
I wrote this article because I want you and everyone else
to read the above book about Davis. My guess, you are too
lazy or close minded to do so. The author said that pro-
communists like Frank M. Davis believed in government
control and growth, a hatred for Churchill and the US
military, a pro-gay agenda that would weaken traditional
family, anti-capitalism, manipulating blacks to promote
their communist agenda, supporting Russian goals, and
looking at the arabic muslims as victims. The author
documents all of this, and told about radical groups that
Obama joined while in college and Chicago. Today, radical
organizations and communists like Soros are helping the
president behind the scenes. All of his cabinet members +
czars come from radical backgrounds. If you are really
serious about finding information read the book or look up
FBI files on Davis and the communist party in America.

Diana
That's it?
Believing in government "control," a charge so vague it's impossible to refute because it has no substance to grab hold of. For example, Romney instituted health insurance reform in Massachusetts, complete with penalties for opting out. Is Romney a communist too?
Believing in government "growth," which I guess means that Reagan and both Bushes were even greater communists for increasing government spending more than Obama has.
A hatred for Churchill, based I suppose on the imbecilic right-wing nonsense that Obama removed a bust of him from the White House, which is a complete lie.
A hatred for the US military, based on -- well, I couldn't even guess what this is supposed to be based on.
A pro-gay agenda, when in fact he dragged his heels as various states across the nation realized that gay marriage was no threat at all to the so-called "traditional" family.
Anti-capitalism, as in bailing out the banks and the auto companies.
Manipulating blacks to promote his "communist agenda," based on what, making speeches in support of racial equality?
Supporting Russian goals -- again, I can't even guess what this is supposed to mean.
Looking at the "arabic muslims" as victims, I suppose by not declaring every one of them a sworn enemy of the US.

If you are really serious about being taken seriously, get out of the paranoid echo chamber you seem to occupy and start making some arguments based in reality.

Hoover's infamous FBI files, most anyone of note in that time period has one. It's almost a Who's Who of 1924-1972. All the cool people have one.

You want an argument based on reality? Why waste time? Obama is history because of the reality he imposed on America! Obama's reality or view of America, not the view of the average American. A complete failure as a leader and president who turns out to be nothing more than a smooth talking white collar criminal. Obama certainly wanted to "fundamentally change America." Many voted for this clown without knowing what type of change he had in mind. Now you know! If you want to see America continue to decline and become a defenseless, bankrupt Republic, vote again for Obama. What in the world were people thinking when they voted for Obama? The problem is they weren't thinking; they voted with their hearts. Look at the two candidates, compare what they have done in their lifetime and it will be very clear that Mitt Romney is the candidate to return America to its place at the top fo the world. America is and always has been the greatest land with the greatest people on earth. Romney will ensure we stay a great nation and people.

To PK + Ken,
There is no sense discussing anything with you. You
wouldn't see the truth if it slap you in face.

Ahhh, the Perfect Storm. Here's the deal: Once again, people are fighting over two candidates who don't care about the American ideal of freedom. (Let's not forget why so many people risked everything to come over on boats from thousands of miles away knowing they'd never see their families back on the "old country again)

Diane Thorn isn't the enemy, PK isn't the enemy, neither is Scooter, Don McD or whoever, the enemy is that spirit that attacks our freedoms, and manifests itself in the venal politics of individuals who talk out one side of their mouths about our American ideals, while attacking them at just about every turn.

People can now be arrested and kept in jail indefinitely without trial, while the vast majority of the people support the politicians who made this possible. I'm happy that at least I'm in the politically incorrect minority and will not reward these traitors with more power.

Someday, many may look back and say "what were we thinking". If I'm alive at that time, at least I won't be like those Germans at the end of WW2 who wished they had done more to stop Hitler.

Remember people, they can now arrest and detain you *without trial*. That's how it starts; history is repeating itself.

gee, Bill, as you stay with your focus on habeas corpus, why not throw in Obama's using our drones to assassinate people in foreign countries? This includes killing U.S. citizens abroad (Yemen) without trial or due process...if Geo. W. Bush were doing this liberals would be going insane.
that said, Obama is so much better for our country than the guy who tied his dog on the roof and drove to Canada that way....

Diana thinks she knows the truth, but when someone points out the completely ridiculous nature of every single one of her claims, she withdraws rather than risk further exposure of her delusions.

On the basis of past letters published here, I once suspected that "Diana Thorn of Carpinteria" was just an invention of the Independent's editors designed to make right-wingers look like meandering imbeciles. My apologies to the Independent.

To PK,
Once again you attack people personally, rather than
learn about the subject, which is Frank Marshall Davis's
influence on Obama. I didn't give details because I wanted
you and others to get informed by reading the above book,
check out related FBI files, and read the communist
manifesto. I was surprised and shocked by what I found.
Truth be told, you will never do that.
By the way, I am a retired teacher who loves America,
supports our troops, and is worried about America's decline
in the world. If our republic continues to decline, who will
replace us on the world stage? China, Russia, Islamic
terrorists? I believe our current president is not looking
out for America's interest, domestically or internationally.
Can you explain why he is spending so recklessly,
gives millions of dollars to Mexico, Columbia and Brazil
for oil development, but curtails our energy development,
and does not stand up for our allies, but is passive when
dealing with Iran, China and Russia. The next election is
it. Either America will reclaim its status or it will continue
down the road toward destruction. I know which way I
want to go. What do you want PK? Enough being said,
I am signing out.

If you had shown an ability to address the long list of your factual inaccuracies and absurdities, it wouldn't have been necessary to comment on what your incoherent mumbling suggested about you personally. That list remains for you to discuss, if you should care to prove my characterization inaccurate. Truth be told, I don't think you can.

Diana, you have said nothing beyond repeating your paranoid fantasies. You signed out a long time ago. In fact, I doubt that you were ever signed in.

So DrDan, if I throw in the irrelevant comment that the guy who ate a dog is better for the country does that make any sense? BTW-I've eaten canine in Korea as an ingredient in "winter stew" and it was not too bad...

This book is published under Glenn Beck's Mercury Ink label.

Beck has a 30-minute interview with the author on his website. Having just listened to it, I think I now know what it was like to be a target of Joe McCarthy.

Or a target of Harry Reid when he publicly announced that he had an anonymous source that told him Romney cheated on his taxes.

The book's author, Paul Kengor, also appears in the movie "2016 Obama's America".

"2016" is based on D’Souza's book "The Roots of Obama's Rage". That book was thoroughly panned by the conservative Weekly Standard:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/article...

Kengor and D’Souza appear to be the worst kind of political mouthpiece ... they have a dishonest agenda thinly disguised with an academic veneer.

italiansurg

It's hard to know what documentary proof a person could offer to show that he or she wasn't secretly a Communist. But to prove that Reid's source is a liar, all Romney has to do is follow in the footsteps of his father when he was running for President and release a sufficient run of his tax returns.

Speaking of the need for factual evidence, I guess it's taking you a while to prepare that list of the people you claim are decrying the racist attacks on Obama but are using the same degree of venom in attacking Romney for being a Mormon.

"gee, Bill, as you stay with your focus on habeas corpus, why not throw in Obama's using our drones to assassinate people in foreign countries? " -DrDan-

I could have also added as a side note the $1.3 billions the U.S. gave to Egypt in Mubarak's last year in power. I throw in the habeas corpus because that is recent enough to still have shock value. Sadly, the valid points you raise have fallen into the category of old time news which the American Sheeple have come to accept.

pk-Defending Reid on this point is ridiculous. Just admit what he said was slimy and un American and move on.

With regards to what is actually in peoples heads when the claim that Romney is "out of touch" or "not representative of America", you name it, is irrelevant to me. I could not care less what I think is in peoples minds as I simply focus on whether or not their argument is factual and logical.
It was Spacey that made the point about what is really in peoples minds, not me. I loath Obama because he has been as big a war monger as Bush and has been so ineffectual even when the Dem's controlled things that it is laughable. My occasional vitriol towards Obama is the based on the same premise as my vitriol towards Bush; in my opinion they have both been absolute and total failures as the leaders of this country.
While I think Obama has an intellectually dishonest history of following some nitwits, ranging from raging socialists to the great bigot Jeremiah Wright, I am focusing on how I evaluate his poor performance as President as I knew about his mentors before I voted for him but I gave him a chance anyway...

italiansurg

I wasn't defending Reid, merely pointing out the falseness of your analogy, though I don't see what's "un-American" about making what is in fact an easily refutable charge against a political opponent.

On the next point, you wrote, “And yes Scooter, the same crowd that decries criticism of Obama as being rooted in some weird and unprovable deep psychological hole seems willing to make fun of Romney for the reasons you mentioned.” And what were the reasons that Scooter mentioned? Because they hate Mormons. Scooter was dismissing people who would offer such ill-founded arguments for the animus they perceive against Obama or Romney. Your comment, taken in context, says that the people who decry the criticisms of Obama are making fun of Romney because they hate Mormons. If this is what you meant to say, you needed to provide evidence of who these anti-Mormon Romney haters are. If this isn’t what you meant to say, you shouldn’t have said it.

Finally, even if Obama "followed" some people you think are nitwits, that might make him, in some folks' minds, a dupe or a fool (I would disagree, but that isn't the point here), but that in itself doesn't make him "intellectually dishonest."

You have a propensity to use words without quite knowing what you're actually saying.

If anyone wants to find out more about Frank Marshall Davis,

see www.usasurvival.org marshall fbi files

If anyone wants to find out about Diana Thorn, see http://www.independent.com/news/2012/...

Is it November yet? I don't know much more I can take.

Wake me up, when September ends.

PK-First, have you been hanging out with DM?
In the rhetorica the term "intellectual dishonesty" is used to describe someone, or an advocate, that purports a position that the advocate knows is false.
The Republicans claim that they "value all life, born and unborn" could be used as an example because they clearly do not intend to care for these babies saved from abortion.
In Obama's case he has a lengthy history of sitting in front of a racist preacher that pushes liberation theology, and studying and hanging out with some real leftist ideologues. Obama and the Dem's then claim that we are nuts for questioning his propensity for constant affiliation with these type of people and how some of his big government policies fit like hand in glove with the extreme left.
Spacey then stated that racism is the root of these charges.
By definition, it is intellectually dishonest for Obama(or anyone else) to claim that it is irrelevant to link him and his policies to the fools at the fringe with similar policies that he has spent so much time fawning over.
Attempting to obfuscate legitimate inquiry into Obama's policies by painting any challenge as an ad hominem attack is likewise intellectually dishonest.
I don't think Obama is a socialist. I believe he is a giant government Progressive. Ms. Thorn may be extreme, but that does not make each of her claims incorrect or correct.

Italiansurg makes great points. I would add that I find it curious that Obama hung out with pastor Wright for all those years, but when news of Wright's anti-American screed become public, suddenly Obama distanced himself from him.

How can such a man be trusted?

P.S. The term "intellectually dishonest" is a term typical of people on the far-left. It's rather stereotypical.

@Italiansurg, it's correct that Obama isn't a socialist, he's a genuine American-style SOCIAL DEMOCRAT, and yes somewhat of a big-government "Progressive", which is a good thing where I come from.
Italiansurg, when you write of "real leftist ideologues" it's just not that scarifying anymore...
You write, "he has a lengthy history of sitting in front of a racist preacher that pushes liberation theology, and studying and hanging out with some real leftist ideologues. and Romney or Ryan (or many of us) "have a lengthy history of sitting in front of Ayn Rand, and studying and hanging out with some real Objectivists (Nathaniel Branden)/libertarian/Mormon ideologues."
This means little.