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Woman Killed by Train in Montecito

Struck at Olive Mill Road Crossing Thursday Evening


Friday, July 27, 2012
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An unidentified woman was hit and killed by a train Thursday evening at the Olive Mill Road crossing in Montecito.

Geri Ventura with the Montecito Fire Protection District said her office received a call at 7:09 p.m. of a train vs. pedestrian incident. Responders found the woman dead at the scene. Her identity has not been released.

The southbound Amtrak train was held at the scene for approximately two hours as a replacement engineer was brought in, which is standard practice for Amtrak when such incidents occur.

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Things a REAL railroad Operation Lifesaver (OL) group would ask!!!
1. Why are all OL directors handpuppets of the railroad or government only giving lip service safety messages?
2. Why nothing is ever mentioned by OL that would cost the railroads a penny on the obviously missing safety equipment and track maintenance work?
3. Where are the crossing safety signals for the trains going too fast with no brakes or steering at 1,000s of crossings?
4. Where are the track video monitors for the trains going too fast with no brakes or steering to get the train stopped IN TIME?
5. Why aren't railroads paying at least half for crossing signals because it's their trains going too fast with no brakes or steering while paying the so-called RR directors millions a year.
6. Why the crossing humps trapping big trucks aren't required to be removed?
7. Why the crossing surfaces aren't wider where if a vehicle fish tails on slick road and is trapped at the edge of the crossing surface trap?
8. Why the train cabs aren't required to be lit up like a Christmas tree with emergency vehicle light bars? LOOK AND SEE!!
9. Why the front of trains aren't required to have air bags or something to soften impacts?
10. Why trains don't have better braking systems? OLIs message now shows train brakes obviously suck.
11. Why there are no bidding invitations on the obviously overcharged crossing projects the tax-payers pay the railroads for. $10,000 just to get the equipment to the sight. TRUCKED IN.
12. Why trains are allowed to run in the fog?
13. Why the crossings aren't lit up so drivers can see the black rail cars across the tracks at night?
14. Why railroads remove and steal signals we paid for on closed re-worked crossings?
15. Why $$$millions$$$ of the rail safety budget we pay in is wasted on needless reworks at crossings preventing signals where needed?
16. Why the railroad isn't required to de-ice crossings before they roll the trains?
17. Why the railroad isn't required to raise their overpasses so big trucks can get under them? The railroad wants to double stack and our road overpasses are too low---no problem WE PAY MILLIONS.
18. Why drug/alcohol tests aren't done on rail crews at crossing/pedestrian collisions?
19. Why railroads are allowed to get off with the train black box , signal black box (if crossing signals are present), and cab video at crossing/pedestrian collisions?
20. Why the fact is hidden that trains kill a few thousand people in 100 million train miles when regular drivers have like ONE death?
WAITING FOR OLI/OLI.CA response.

Horseswagled (anonymous profile)
July 28, 2012 at 5:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Seriously Horseswagled?
Look both ways.
Don't walk on train tracks.
We were taught this in ass backwards Italy for Gawdsakes.

italiansurg (anonymous profile)
July 28, 2012 at 7:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Is there any journalist in this town who will tell us WHO was killed????

toto1 (anonymous profile)
July 28, 2012 at 10:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It might have been a suicide. If so, authorities won't release her name.

Moonrunner (anonymous profile)
July 28, 2012 at 3:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

They certainly tell us who jumps off the bridge!

toto1 (anonymous profile)
July 28, 2012 at 5:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well italiansurg we hickerbillies in the ozarks were taught to make traps. Looking at my latest edition of the railroad crossing at Montecito, CA Olive Mill Road in Google maps this is a dandy. Retaining walls and huge trees. Just add in the un-triggered signals (actually the trigger---happens all the time) and the trap is complete.

We were also taught to not drive like idiots with bad brakes and no steering through populated areas. Somehow the railroads find the special kind of dumb ones to do it.

Horseswagled (anonymous profile)
July 28, 2012 at 6:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This was reported to the NRC as mile marker 370.6 which is 3.3 miles away from Olive Mill Road. MONTECITO ST. in the Federal data with 3 other pedestrians killed there.

745618w Railroad Milepost: 0373.90
http://www.nrc.uscg.mil/reports/rwser...
Railroad Milepost: 370.6
http://www.countyofsb.org/pwd/roads/d...
page 27
036750 STATE ST.
037090 ANACAPA ST.
745599U 037060 MONTECITO ST.

Horseswagled (anonymous profile)
July 28, 2012 at 7:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Horseswagled, would you stand on the 101 Freeway and expect every driver to brake or steer around you? Anyone who stands on or near a railroad track is standing on or near a freeway. Such a person is either suicidal or a candidate for the Darwin Award. I typically favor government solutions to social problems (I'm a little bit of socialist in that way). But this is not a problem seeking a solution. People need to just stay off the tracks. Simple solutions are best.

Eckermann (anonymous profile)
July 28, 2012 at 10:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I haven't a clue where 101 Freeway is and don't care. I'm betting there are no crossroads though. I don't know what a socialist is and don't care.

Who is Darwin? That the idiot driving the train too fast or the railroads hired guns name now?

Horseswagled (anonymous profile)
July 29, 2012 at 1:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sniff... sniff... anyone else smell a troll?

Sothep (anonymous profile)
July 29, 2012 at 1:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why did this woman walk in front of an approaching train?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 29, 2012 at 2:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Get used to it. This is a town with minimal news coverage.

toto1 (anonymous profile)
July 29, 2012 at 7:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Horseswagled: Sounds like there are industry cover-ups and cost-cutting issues and regulatory issues and insanity like traps at crossings that should get a lot of publicity, especially in California, if we're going to have a bullet train in the future. It doesn't really matter how suicidal or drunk or stupid or stoned a person is, they're going to look the same after they're hit by a train, and no train driver should have to deal with this if there are ways to increase safety that are being blown off by industry and government bureaucrats.

14noscams (anonymous profile)
July 29, 2012 at 5:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

14noscams: Railroad safety is corrupt on a very high level. I know at least to the Department of Justice and whoever pulls their strings. Millions in crossing funds overcharged on and theft of equipment on reworked crossings they had proof of and dropped the case. If the railroads are busted for fraud the government can't contract with them to haul government stuff.

Passenger rail is the secret money funnel back to private railroads who get the government bureaucrats into office.

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/legsregs/dire... With the states 10% match California has over $17 million a year to make go away where no un-signaled crossings get signals. A independent audit on these funds would send a few to the crow bar motel.

Horseswagled (anonymous profile)
July 29, 2012 at 6:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So corruption makes someone stupid enough to walk in front of a train? We are all therefore doomed.

italiansurg (anonymous profile)
July 29, 2012 at 7:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So you take the crossing number and split it 745 618w . Plug into Google
And walla

http://www.countyofsb.org/pwd/roads/d...

Page 27 $100s of $1000s for maybe a $60,000 project. The tree still in front of the gate is a no-no. If the signals fail here, which they do all the time, drivers/pedestrians are sitting ducks. Most often the signals start just as the train arrives and the clueless police think everything on the railroads part is hunky dory when they arrive 20 minutes later.

Horseswagled (anonymous profile)
July 29, 2012 at 8:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

While Horseswagled may bring up some good questions, the bottom line is that (assuming this isn't a suicide) people need to be smart enough NOT to walk in front of trains.

There is only so much a society can do in order to protect people from their own reckless/absent-minded behavior.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 30, 2012 at 4:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

billclausen, Another factor not discussed is the alcohol and drug problematic people who, while under the influence may not hear or perceive the approaching train as a viable threat to their well being. A sane and healthy person may see, hear and feel (be they close enough to the rail) the approach of the train but those who are under an influence of a mind altering drug, may believe the train is part of their illusion and not a real threat.
This sort of thing has happened before has it not, with drunk and stoned folks, wandering into or in front trains?

dou4now (anonymous profile)
July 30, 2012 at 6:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Probably the best way to decrease these train accidents is to give the career homeless a ticket out of town on them. Airbags on the front of trains? Sobriety would do so much more to decrease these types of accidents than some of these inane measures.

Botany (anonymous profile)
July 30, 2012 at 8:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It's possible that Horsewangled is ignorant, naieve, or perhaps just plain stupid, but his/her accusations are pretty far out. The train was very likely not without brakes or exceeding speed limits. Since it's a passenger train, there's no point to exceeding the limit. It can't leave the next station until the schedule says it can, so there's no point in hurrying to the next station.

A train, even a short passenger train, weighs several hundred tons and cannot stop very quickly. Because of its weight, air bags on the front are not going to soften any impact. You're just as dead getting hit by a train at 70 as at 40. If you've seen a locomotive lately, they've got lots of lights to alert people. Many grade crossings do not have protection, but there's no info from the story that this person wasn't just walking down the tracks -- trespassing on privately owned property.

Trains obey the laws of physics, so not being on the track will keep you from being run down.

OL is right: stop, look, listen! The railroads don't have to build anything, the taxpayers don't have to build anything.

Even Horsewangled should be able to figure that out!

foureyes (anonymous profile)
July 30, 2012 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I just hope they don't make more laws against people crossing railroad tracks.

I've crossed railroad tracks thousands of times and walked miles and miles on or next to them. It is completely safe if you're careful.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
July 30, 2012 at 11:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

TYLER HAYDEN --- Amtrak has video of this --- a public paid for thing ---Where is the video???

TYLER HAYDEN --- The train had a event recorder of brakes,lights, horns, etc...public paid for with humongous overcharges---Where are the event recorder readings???

TYLER HAYDEN ---The crossing signal housing has a event recorder with gate operation ---.public paid for with humongous overcharges---Where is the crossing house readings?

TYLER HAYDEN ---The crossing maintainer has a hand held that would show if the automated signals were calling him/her to come fix them. Where is the hand held???

So far in four days you have someone ran down by a train somewhere around Santa Barbara.

Horseswagled (anonymous profile)
July 30, 2012 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Horseswagled...what is Railroad safety? Stay the #$%@# away from the tracks. DUH!! How is something that big supposed to avoid something that small...at night..etc..no brainer. Maybe the effen snowy plovers caused it!

bimboteskie (anonymous profile)
July 30, 2012 at 12:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Seriously Horseswagled? Get a hobby. The government is not responsible for us from birth until death. If you can't learn to take care of yourself between the times when the government is coddling you, you've got no place in society and perhaps the government didn't do you any favors.

A six year old knows better than to answer the door for a stranger, to look before crossing the street, and to NOT WALK ON RAILROAD TRACKS.

sbdude (anonymous profile)
July 30, 2012 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wake up bozos! It said it was a suicide! All this nonsense discussion is silly and irrelevant. Who died??? That's NEWS!

toto1 (anonymous profile)
July 30, 2012 at 4:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I wont get into an online argument, I will however state my opinion. Havent any of you heard if you aint got nothing nice to say DON'T say anything at all?.. I guess not. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but i must say for such a short article, the comments are pretty deep and harsh. This women was my friend. My sister. And I miss her and Love her very much. She was amazingly beautiful, brilliant, caring and insightful young person.

slim_musick407 (anonymous profile)
July 30, 2012 at 7 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Horseswagled needs to take her medimication.

realitycheck447 (anonymous profile)
August 1, 2012 at 2:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Was the victim ever identified?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
April 20, 2013 at 3:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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