David Attias: Sane or Insane?

Keep his deadly behind locked-up! Let him out and he won't be a model patient and everyone in California will be at risk!

There is no way they can let this guy out, but if they do it would show what a joke this court really is. You would probably find more justice in a third world court.

Sane? OH HELL NO! Why's this even being considered? Oh, that's right. BECAUSE THE VICTIMS DON'T MATTER :) henry

Does he have to eat somebody's face off before he's officially permanently mentally ill?

Only in Miami Ken, only in Miami :) henry

If he's not san keep him locked in a psych facility.
If he's now sane send him to a prison.

He "stayed sober" while in Patton State Hospital? That is suppose to impress us?

Put a beer and a ounce of crank in front of him and see what he does. Because that will be available in a community setting.

Attitas has behaved properly in Patton because he is on the proper meds and forced to take them everyday. Can we expect him to take his meds when he is in a community treatment facility. If they are anything like the sober living facilities, my feeling would be no.

While the case is tragic in so many ways, Attias made the choice to stop taking his meds and had a severe mental break. That happens when someone stop meds abruptly with severe mental illnesses. I don't feel that we need to become victims if he stops taking his meds again, which I feel that he would. I have seen it happen time and time again, the person feels better, because of the meds, feels they no longer needs them and snap.

Keep him where he is, for everyone's safety!

I met a man when I was working with a Doctoral candidate who was convicted of killing two people with a shotgun for stealing his property. His father was the Chief of Psychiatric Services for the State of California. His game, as others who know the game: is to get labeled a nut jacket for the lesser charge, placement in Psychiatric Facility and release based on the psycho nut job counselor's reports and believe me the lawyers, the doctors and even the judges know this is a huge loophole that obviously Attias' family and their wealth are manipulating for his release. It is a con job and we all need to start a petition to keep this demon in jail where for the rest of his life, because he committed murder, he can contemplate the lives he stole from others and know that even money will not help him. This is a complete travesty of justice

"has stayed sober, taken his medication"

Now if that isn't a contradiction....

"While the case is tragic in so many ways, Attias made the choice to stop taking his meds and had a severe mental break. That happens when someone stop meds abruptly with severe mental illnesses." -Rsparks

No, that's what happens when ANYBODY who takes many of these dangerous psychiatric meds comes off of them, whether they were previously actually mentally ill or not.

When was the last time you heard, "Oh, that guy did something REALLY crazy like running over a huge group of people or shot up a school, he was really crazy, but he never ever took psych meds!!"

Me? Never.

No, it's always somebody who goes on the meds and then comes off them. It's pretty clear that these substances actually cause mental illness in the long-term rather than treat it, though many people do see short term benefits in their mood, if they enjoy being zombies.

"Attias' family and their wealth are manipulating for his release" - contactjohn

hey contactjohn, did you read the part where it said he's in a STATE mental facility? His parents are using their wealth to manipulate that how exactly?

Maybe you meant they're (Attias parents) paying for some high powered attorney to "manipulate his release"? I know it doesn't say in this story, but he's actually being represented by a public defender. Those are free.

The rest of you who say he's not "sane" enough to be in a HEAVILY MONITORED outpatient facility, you got your degrees in mental health where exactly? Maybe you think he'll be allowed to come and go as he pleases, and won't have to adhere to strict guidelines. Guidelines which, if a single one is not met, means he'll just get a slap on the wrist and not have to go back to the state hospital. That's not the case at all. But please, continue with your professional analyses, they're fascinating.

The one person who said "if he's now sane send him to a prison". That would be optimal, the best thing for all parties involved. Too bad it doesn't work that way, but it certainly should.

""has stayed sober, taken his medication"

Now if that isn't a contradiction...."

First off, you're quoting the news source, not an actual quote that was said by anyone in court. I've seen no less than 10 discrepancies between what has been presented or said in court, and what gets printed in the news.

Second, in this instance, that's actually not a contradiction, as the defense is indicating that Attias has taken all of his doctor recommended medication which combat his mental issues, and also has abstained from using any substance which was not recommended by a licensed and practicing mental health professional. This information (medication/using recreational drugs and/or alcohol) was not conjured up by the defense but has been presented by the state licensed mental health facility as factual.

I'm saying that the drugs they give to people with mental imbalances are as hardcore as some of the worst illicit substances available on the street and are even more toxic in many cases in pure form.

They are basically saying, "Hey, he hasn't been doing meth, but he has been taking big pharma produced amphetamines..." "Hey, he hasn't been smoking cannabis, but he has been taking big pharma produce SSRIs..." "Hey, he hasn't been shooting up heroin, but he has been taking big pharma produced xanax..." "Hey, he hasn't been doing ketamine, but he has been taking big pharma produced seroquel..." and who knows what else.

@ loonpt: You really shouldn't talk about psychiatric drugs & how they are used & what they do because you obviously know nothing them. 'nuff said.

Perhaps loopt's clarity needs some help. Paranoia can be treated.

Me thinks notimetorush has a crush on poor little David. Dude/dudette, look @ the comment more carefully:

"Attias' family and their wealth are manipulating for his release" - contactjohn

Now your response:

"Hey contactjohn, did you read the part where it said he's in a STATE mental facility? His parents are using their wealth to manipulate that how exactly?"

Not manipulate the STATE facility silly, manipulate the legal system w/ paying for the high the cost attorneys who will manipulate the system to get him a loopholed sentence so that he can skate after a certain time & conditions are supposedly met.
Say what you want, the guy is nuttier than crunchy peanut butter, not a "professional analysis" in any way, just a common sense view of what it really is: An attempt to minimize the damage he created :) henry

I am not sure what his diagnosis is, but he is probably schizophrenic and taking meds to control that. I work for a psychiatrist and have seen people turn into functioning seemingly sane people, and then stop thier meds and end up being worse than when they started thier meds.

I had doubts about psychiatric meds until I started this job, buti have first hand seen the vast improvements in someone's behavior and the horrific results when they stop.

To add to what Rsparks said the problem is when these folks are unsupervised they tend to go off their meds. I have no desire to punish him, since his case is a medical one rather than a criminal one, but there is no good reason to assume it would be safe to release him into the general public.