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President Obama, thank you for your efforts in the first four years, though there are those of us who would rather that you had arrested the Bush and Cheney crowd, charged them with war crimes, and stripped their pensions and Secret Service protection while taking one small step toward reducing the deficit. After 248 filibusters, the Republicans are now going to come to the negotiating table and demand concessions. Mr. President, they made their bed, now let them sleep in it. They associate your name with socialism while they march lockstep with Norquist and his anti-tax pledge. The middle class knows how to sacrifice for their entitlements and freedom. How do the rich pay for their wars?

These Big Money politicians have got to go. Germany produces half the world’s solar power and half of its electric grid is powered by solar. Big Money talks about energy independence while Germany is doing it. You’re trying to do the right thing and all the real Americans (Republicans, Democrats, Independents, et al) are with you. I see the biggest problem facing you is the industrial military complex. The threats to its “entitlements” while the military budget is cut will be intense.

Good luck and thanks again for what appears to be a thankless job. Man, that was a tough campaign. That new age snake salesman and his team at Fox are not what America is about.

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Current entitlements:
tax cuts
Not going to jail (bush, cheney, wall st.)
Bloated 'defense' hahaha! lol omg
drivers in a hurry, usually in mercedes, range rover, bmw
pedestrians in the crosswalk at night on coast village road in all dark clothing with nothing reflecting.
GOP, even after losing, bunch of whining cry babies.

spacey (anonymous profile)
November 12, 2012 at 12:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Arrest people you don't agree with. Sounds like John wants us to be like a banana republic. Yes, spacey, let's go after people that drive fancy cars. Ah, the good old days of the cultural revolution.

Botany (anonymous profile)
November 12, 2012 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think John is a UCSB student, which might explain some of these harebrained views. It would be nice if his statistics were at least accurate. Solar accounts for far less than 50% of the electrical grid, although in one weekend last Spring it did get that high. It only accounts for 4% of the country's energy needs.

If you want to know how renewables are affecting their grid, read this:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/g...

lousegal (anonymous profile)
November 12, 2012 at 3:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Arrest people you don't agree with" scoffs Botany. Well there are millions of people here in the U.S. who would agree with Spacey that Bush , Cheney , Rumsfeld , Addington, Gonzalez ,and the rest of the torture team ,that they have yet to face their due justice. Multiply that number many times over and one gets a clearer picture of the numbers of people worldwide who are waiting for recompense.
Despite intense pressure from the U.S. , the International Criminal Court at The Hague is not done with this issue. If you believe otherwise , maybe you should ask yourself why Cheney and Bush are very careful about leaving American soil.

geeber (anonymous profile)
November 12, 2012 at 6:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You're probably right geeber. There are likely many people like spacey that have learned nothing from history and are quite amenable to repeating the same mistakes all over again.

Botany (anonymous profile)
November 12, 2012 at 6:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Good to note that Lou Segal associates UCSB with "harebrained views". No wonder he suffered a humiliating defeat in this past School Board election.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
November 12, 2012 at 7:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well Ken, I did get over 20,000 votes but you're probably right about not many of them coming from UCSB or Isla Vista.

lousegal (anonymous profile)
November 12, 2012 at 10:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lou likes to tout his vote totals. The 20,000 votes he repeatedly brags about land him dead last . That amounts to a paltry 15% . I believe Charlie Brown or Dagwood would have landed more votes than that.
Lou would do well to study Mike Stokers numerous also ran campaigns before he invests in another campaign for a public position around here.

geeber (anonymous profile)
November 12, 2012 at 10:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Geeber, for the sake of accuracy, probably no more than 60,000 people voted in the district (probably less). Therefore, it is reasonably certain that more than one of every three voters voted for me. The 15% is the percentage of the total votes (each voter had three selections).

I am waiting for the precinct returns to see what effect the UCSB students had on the election. A record number of them voted this time. It is well known the Democratic Party pays them to register students. It is nice to know that many students, who have no intention of staying here after they graduate, are having a disproportionate influence on local elections and levying parcel taxes on property owners in the district.

lousegal (anonymous profile)
November 13, 2012 at 12:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Who is the "them" the Democratic Party pays? Just workers, nothing nefarious unlike what Mr. Segal would have you believe. Many people pick up extra cash registering voters, for any or no party. The voter decides, the workers only get paid hourly.
Anything else you care for me to debunk?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
November 13, 2012 at 12:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Segal can spin the results to assuage the impact of losing upon his ego. What he can't spin is the fact that he came in DEAD LAST with a paltry 15% of the vote.
Most losers have the common sense to retreat for some introspection. Here in Santa Barbara , though, we seem to cultivate a more stubborn variety of also rans. Steve Pappas can provide Segal with a roadmap to future obscurity. That is as soon as Pappas pays off the $800,000+ that he owes to Supervisor Farr.
Now we have allowed the comments to stray from the original thread of the letter , allowing Segal even more of the undeserved attention he craves.

geeber (anonymous profile)
November 13, 2012 at 4:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

At least Lou had the guts and the interest in his community to go out there and campaign for ideals he believed in, while you guys just sit on your duffs behind the safety of your computer screens to mock and criticize him.

What kind of difference have you guys tried to make in your community other than taking cheap shots on a website?

Botany (anonymous profile)
November 13, 2012 at 5:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm with John and Spacey, let's start arresting these war criminals. After picking up Bush and Chaney we can go to Washington and get Obama for invading the sovereign country of Pakistan and executing Bin Laden without a trial; throw in the fact that Guantanamo is illegal and violates human rights, according to former candidate Obama, and the three scofflaws will all get life without parole...

italiansurg (anonymous profile)
November 13, 2012 at 6:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I guess that American Citizen murdered by Drone in Yemen, 2011 does not count.

Sure the Citizen was a scumbag but still a Citizen and entitled to Due Process of Law, its in the Constitution.

I guess someone needs to be honest, that would be you John.

howgreenwasmyvalley (anonymous profile)
November 13, 2012 at 10:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Lou Segal"? I read that as "Louse-gal" at first....

equus_posteriori (anonymous profile)
November 13, 2012 at 11:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

let the Hague do its job and arrest Bush 43, Cheney, and the other war criminals...

DrDan (anonymous profile)
November 13, 2012 at 3:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

one report has 4 American citizens killed by "our" drone attacks, and over 3000 others... many undoubtedly bad guys but HOW DO WE KNOW? Where is rule of law? C'mon!

DrDan (anonymous profile)
November 13, 2012 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes folks, Bush and Cheney are the only people who have ever supported America's intervening in others' affairs. Bosnia, Sudan, Vietnam...no...those were just bad dreams. Besides, Obama has no choice but to go along with the program. Right?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
November 13, 2012 at 3:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Botany , I will put my history of volunteerism, charitable giving and community activism up against you or Segal any freekin day. You have no idea.

geeber (anonymous profile)
November 13, 2012 at 3:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Having the Hague usurp our own law is just a wonderful idea; dump our own Supreme Court now! I so trust the rest of the world to be objective!
And no howgreenwasmyvalley, that citizen apparently does not count...

italiansurg (anonymous profile)
November 13, 2012 at 3:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

@Geeber, this is Botany's pattern, when he's out-debated he resorts to negative ad hominem shots (e.g. his "What kind of difference have you guys tried to make...?"]. Ignore him like the pest he is.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
November 13, 2012 at 4:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Geez DD, your opinion of yourself is even odder than I suspected; you are now arbiter of who wins and loses the comment debate? Did Botany "lose" when he made the comment "At least Lou had the guts and the interest in his community to go out there and campaign for ideals he believed in" which is close to a statement of fact. Or did he "lose" when he commented about "arresting people that you do not agree with" ?
Was the winner crowned as the first person to call Bush a War Criminal?

italiansurg (anonymous profile)
November 14, 2012 at 5:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

whatever, urg.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
November 14, 2012 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Expertly countered with a grade school comeback! Seriously Dude?

italiansurg (anonymous profile)
November 14, 2012 at 1:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Speaking of grade school, I wonder how many of Lou Segal's 20,000 voters were aware he wants to destroy the very public school system he was running to oversee.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
November 14, 2012 at 1:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think most of them including myself knew exactly what Lou wanted to do and supported him in his efforts.

Botany (anonymous profile)
November 14, 2012 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It'd been an interesting survey to conduct, don't you think Botany?

http://www.theglobaledition.com/obama...

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
November 14, 2012 at 3:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lou and many libertarians want to see the public schools privatized (as did Romney), down-sized, and over-technologized. It's much cheaper to throw more computers and machines into students' hands than to hire young, dedicated, talented teachers (esp. with pension benefits, though they will be reformed and reduced soon). Happily, Prop 30 passed, and one example of a benefit is the 110 new City College classes that will be offered. It's amazing Lou even got the 20,000 votes in Santa Barbara.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
November 15, 2012 at 5:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How many teachers decide to get into teaching because of the pension benefits?

Does a good teacher take up the profession so he/she can retire at 55 with a 90% of pay pension? I actually think that's the last thing on their minds for most of them. Give our teachers good pay based on performance and a defined contribution plan. We will get just as many or more quality teachers than we are currently getting.

Botany (anonymous profile)
November 15, 2012 at 5:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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