Latino-Rights Group Fights Injunction

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PODER, a Santa Barbara-based Latino-rights coalition, said this week that it will continue making phone calls and sending emails to elected officials to actively oppose the city’s proposed gang injunction. Members are contacting Mayor Helene Schneider and city councilmembers to urge City Attorney Steve Wiley — who recently announced he will retire in December — to drop the filing. They crossed councilmembers Cathy Murillo and Grant House off their list of officials to get in touch with because those two have already voiced their opposition. With the opening of the city attorney position and three potential new councilmembers, a spokesperson from PODER said community activism is crucial in these next few months.


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A "Latino-Rights" group? Isn't that racism? Since when is it OK to use the the term "White-Rights" group? Isn't that the Klan?

What is the difference between Latino Rights and Human Rights? If there is one, why? Why do Latino's rights need to be protected more than Human's rights, which all Latino's are?

The laws on the books and the policies in place in government already protect "Latino's" because they protect *Humans*.

willy88 (anonymous profile)
August 28, 2013 at 5:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am simply in awe of willy's comment.

typo (anonymous profile)
August 28, 2013 at 6:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh, those sneaky, racist Mexicans......

AZ2SB (anonymous profile)
August 28, 2013 at 7:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Of course the injunction will work! It will solve all of our problems the same way that drug laws stop addicts from using and gun laws have stopped all violence.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
August 28, 2013 at 7:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If injunctions are outlawed only outlaws will have injunctions.

Poh-durr needs to promote what they are for and what is better, not just what they are against.

John_Adams (anonymous profile)
August 28, 2013 at 9:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm Latino and I refuse to say poder represents me and my rights. Keep the Gang Injunction please. It has nothing to do with racism. Just common sense

FuriousFrenzys (anonymous profile)
August 28, 2013 at 9:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gang injunctions have a good track record of reducing gang violence in other communities. I will grant that they have the potential for abuse. However, I do not hear from PODER a solution to the gang problem. Come on PODER, tell us how to make gangs go away. If you can't offer effective alternatives, then what right do you have to protest an alternative that has been proven effective in other communities?

Eckermann (anonymous profile)
August 28, 2013 at 10:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)


Typo and AZ2SB cannot respond to the merits of my argument and question.
They simply accept that race based advocacy is ok as long as its not white advocacy.


willy88 (anonymous profile)
August 28, 2013 at 10:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Because willy, Latino's unlike Asians that were enslaved and universally stereotyped, are apparently unable to protect themselves from anything, unable to better themselves, and need special help.

italiansurg (anonymous profile)
August 29, 2013 at 6:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So both of you believe that there is an even playing field here even though it wasn't too long ago when there was latino segregation policies, that still exists today with spanish only classes and a different set of laws that apply to hispanics only. And PODER has offered alternatives but they are not only worthy to try but to even mention because it doesn't fit into anyone's notions of "justice".

AZ2SB (anonymous profile)
August 29, 2013 at 10:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If gang injunctions work in the communities they have been implemented, why is it that the gangs not only exist but thrive in those communities?

AZ2SB (anonymous profile)
August 29, 2013 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Spanish only classes are optional and are actually designed to HELP non-English speakers. This is not an uneven playing field. It's part of the "policies" part of my original statement above about "...laws on the books and the policies in place in government..."

Gang injunctions are for Gangs, not "latino's". The fact that in SB most of the gangs and gang related crime are committed by "latino's" does not mean that we need more racism and race-based groups, advocates and policy like "latino advocates" - whatever that means (which still nobody, including you, can articulate to me).

willy88 (anonymous profile)
August 29, 2013 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Is that an actual question AZ?For reals? Did anyone EVER state that gang injunctions solve a multi point cultural, family, and societal breakdown. No! They are one invaluable and demonstrably effective tool. If Latino's stopped tolerating their kids becoming miscreants then this problem would already be on the down swing.
Please explain how Asians overcame indentured servitude, stereo typing, and abject discrimination to almost immediately become the model ethnic group in this country. For gawd sakes we made prisoners out of Americans that were of Japanese descent and yet they never stopped valuing and imparting the things that made their citizens exemplary.

italiansurg (anonymous profile)
August 29, 2013 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

willy, if they are optional they sure don't let the people who get put into those classes know that. A latino advocate is just another way to say a poor person's advocate, because if some of these latino's had money they would have a lawyer. Now if you feel that your rights are being trampled on, then why don't you ask for help. I am sure if you had a legitimate gripe that affected many people PODER might be able to help if it was in their area of expertise. Are you being denied benefits because of your race? Are you being denied jobs because your race? Are you being targeted by police because of your race? Those are things that they can help with, but if you are mad at Obama, or the tea party, I doubt they will be able to help.

AZ2SB (anonymous profile)
August 29, 2013 at 3:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

itliansurg- Again, if they are that helpful, where are the numbers or studys to prove it? The studies I have read say that the problems usually just move to the outskirts of the injunction area and or are effective for maybe a year or two before the gangs get wise to the law. Is giving up rights worth a short term solution like that? Why can't the existing laws be used and probation? In AZ, there are no injunctions or special gang laws, but if someone steps out of line they also don't fool around in court. They hand out large sentences to the offending parties and it isn't racial. While SB1040 made everyone think it is more racist here, I see CA target specific races with their so called gang laws that only affect minority gangs. In a Mexican neighborhood, everyone is a gang associate because everyone knows more than one gang member, but just because you know one doesn't make you a gang member.

AZ2SB (anonymous profile)
August 29, 2013 at 4:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OK, I'll say it again. Passing an injunction is like passing more gun laws to stop violence, or passing more prohibition laws to stop drug use.

When BOTH political parties support the idea that Mexican (I'm not afraid to use the "M" word here) immigrants are little more than expendable cheap labor, and when social, academic, and linguistic standards are lowered for this demographic, it's inevitable that the gang problem will flourish. Keep in mind the proximity of Mexico to the U.S. vs. the proximity of all other countries and the large population of poor people Mexico has.

Low expectations=low results, and gang injunctions, after-school programs, Latino power, and White power isn't going to solve the problem.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
August 29, 2013 at 7:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I forgot to note: Hardcore gang members don't obey injunctions. Vaccinations are more effective than band-aids.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
August 29, 2013 at 7:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Injunct, perfunct, defunct. Gangs must go----at any cost. Otherwise, continue to deal with the cost these punks exact on us.

Draxor (anonymous profile)
August 30, 2013 at 10:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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