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A Santa Barbara Police Department officer shot a man multiple times after the man allegedly assaulted the officer with a deadly weapon around 11:30 p.m. on Friday in a residence on the 1200 block of San Andres Street. Officers were responding to several 911 calls of a subject brandishing a deadly weapon inside the residence.

According to a statement from police spokesperson Sgt. Riley Harwood, the 26-year-old suspect sustained multiple gunshot wounds and is receiving treatment at Cottage Hospital. The officer was not injured. The condition of the suspect is still unclear. Details are not being released, Harwood said, but will be available as the investigation progresses.


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Santa Barbara's revolving door of crime: drugs, alcohol, vagrants and domestic violence.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
December 7, 2013 at 2:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Including the changing demographics of SB, but most people will go into denial about that.

zuma7 (anonymous profile)
December 7, 2013 at 5:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Seems a bit early to draw conclusions, not that some guesses can't be right.

Adonis_Tate (anonymous profile)
December 8, 2013 at 3:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Compare our level of officer-involved shootings (per capita) with NYC. You will shocked, amazed, and disgusted with our local PD.

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
December 8, 2013 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What are the numbers JohnLocke? Or are you just alluding to knowing when you don't?

deniseL (anonymous profile)
December 8, 2013 at 11:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Is a butter knife a deadly weapon? A tea cozy?

AZ2SB (anonymous profile)
December 8, 2013 at 12:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

JL... It's always been obvious you know nothing about LE training or policies in your way off base comments. One cannot just compare per capita stats to make such an ignorant assumption.

There is no one reason for any group of shootings by the various agencies in SBC. A few things we do know is violent crime is rising, there's less intervention available for those with violent mental health issues, the prisons are unloading on our streets and there are simply more of the 'you ain't taking me alive' type criminals out there.

I'm just thankful we have those men and women doing the job. Who else is going to take on the bad guys face to face?

Validated (anonymous profile)
December 8, 2013 at 1:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Any chance this happened in a high-density neighborhood?

Georgy (anonymous profile)
December 8, 2013 at 9:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Westside San Andres/West Micheltorena is the highest density neighborhood in the city, bar none And that is just the legal occupancy numbers. It does not count converted garages, underpass, freeway side strips, Home Depot out buildings sub-let by the month, creek and hillside dwellers or RV squatters.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
December 8, 2013 at 9:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Somebody has to maintain this rich man's paradise.

AZ2SB (anonymous profile)
December 9, 2013 at 5:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

living in this Westside described by foo, yeah, it's extremely high density...
And great people! We actually have real neighborhoods on the Westside, perhaps easy to deride, but I witness hard-working people who love their children, walk them to Harding Elem. and the Jr. High... The American Dream is right here.
Yes, guys are camping around the underpass near the railroad all the time... Heroin dealers recently arrested on Cooke Avenue... The very high population density here yields impressive amounts of foot traffic on Micheltorena crossing the Fwy 101, yet the City still won't do anything about the festering traffic issue at SuperCuca's #1 (the old Foster's Freeze) where ILLEGAL Dutton Ave (an alley, actually) crosses Micheltorena! No crosswalks, no stop-light, but hundreds of people constantly crossing... add in cars speeding, bicyclers tearing along, skateboarders doing their dare-devil things, Vespas, the cross-town shuttle, the big buses on San Andres... It all works, but quite a risk-factor for the pedestrians, especially the very numerous children. Sure, there's violence and crime over here, too. Many requests to restore the bicycle cops over here have been dismissed by the lords of San Roque, Mission Cyn., etc.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
December 9, 2013 at 6:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

@deniseL: I don't make statements without backup data.

@Validated: Comparing stats is not an "ignorant assumption"; it is using actual data to demonstrate that our local LEOs are a shoot first think later bunch.

@all: read the stats and do the math:


"In 2011, New York City police officers shot and killed 9 suspects and injured 19 more, the second-lowest annual toll in recent city history, according to a Police Department report."


NYC population in 2011 was 8.27 million.

Rate of officer involved shootings in NYC: approximately 1 shooting for every 300,000 citizens in the year 2011.

A comparable rate for SB County would be at max 2 shootings in a year. We've had that in the first week of December.

What happened to tasers? Be afraid, be very afraid.

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
December 9, 2013 at 9:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Santa Barbara is not a rich man's paradise. You confuse it with Montecito and Hope Ranch.

If these more wealthy suburbs need hired help, they either pay them enough to get housing or put them up in their own maids quarters and gardeners cottages like they used to do.

But there is no excuse to dump this on Santa Barbara, or for anyone to make the city feel guilty they are "not doing enough" to provide everyone free housing who chooses to come here.

Follow the rules in this town, or go away. The rich suburbs will be able to adjust to the new reality.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
December 9, 2013 at 11:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Santa Barbara seems to be undergoing a Paradigm Shift from one of the nicest cities on the coast to one of the worst. It's a very slow process however, and we're only about halfway through it.
As long as alcohol is the legal, preferred intoxicant we will continue to see these DUI type incidents.
If marijuana were legal, and allowed to be served in a bar type setting (without alcohol) it would be a step in the right direction as I've never known anyone to be in a marijuana related car accident unless alcohol or hard drugs were involved.

GluteousMaximus (anonymous profile)
December 9, 2013 at 12:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Foofighter, you should be aware that "affordable housing" are words that strike terror into the hearts of Montecitans. They've been fighting it for years with help from their good buddy Salud Carbajal (who doesn't even represent Montecito, though he's glad to take their donations).

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
December 9, 2013 at 2:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok JohnLocke how many cop shootings were there in SB county in 2011 then? Since that is the comparable year you are using for NYC. And what are the numbers for the past 10 years? If you have ever taken a statistics class you would know narrowing your scope of data to such a narrow range is manipulating data to help your point. All be it not correct....

deniseL (anonymous profile)
December 9, 2013 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Affordable housing" (mandated, price fixed and/or subsidized) strikes terror in our hearts too now that 20% of city housing has been taken permanently out of the free market and is now dedicated to a large and permanent low-income demographic with little discretionary money to support shops, restaurants or businesses, that in turn support city operations.

Social engineering not based upon economic sustainability has an end-point where it collapses in on itself. We have passed that point. So your predictions about this city's future are well taken. We are already seeing this in the empty shops and restaurants.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
December 9, 2013 at 5:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OK, deniseL, how 'bout contributing some fact to the discussion. I've been trying to find stats for SB, but gee, they don't seem to publish them - can you find them. NYCs numbers for 2011 were a decline from 2010.

I did find an article indicating 7 shootings in SB the first 7 months of 2012. But it doesn't take a statistician to see that our numbers are way out of whack. Instead of being so defensive (are you a LEO?), why not do some research yourself.

A wonderment: why do so many people in these screeds attempt to discredit others with the phrase "if you ever..."? As in "if you ever had a statistics class". You do not know whether or not I've had a stats class but don't seem afraid to jump to your own conclusion. I didn't and do not represent this as a statistical valid study (BTW, ever hear the phrase 'how to lie with statistics'?), but an indication over a period of months or years, when SBs officer involved shooting rate is MULTIPLES, i.e. hundreds of percent, higher than NYC should cause our elected officials to commission a real study.

All one has to do is read the paper. The shootings here are out of control. Best not hide one's head in the sand

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
December 9, 2013 at 5:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

A word to the wise, law-abiding or not:

If you see a uniformed member of SBSD or SBSD...

Beachgirl77 (anonymous profile)
December 9, 2013 at 6:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

beachgirl77, perhaps you could enlighten deniseL to the realities of our declining community.

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
December 9, 2013 at 9:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"should cause our elected officials to commission a real study."

I can't think of any government spending I'd rather support.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
December 9, 2013 at 9:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm with you. write to the council. Send them the links.

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
December 9, 2013 at 10:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

JohnLocke wrote on 12-9-2013 at 0951 am

"@deniseL: I don't make statements without backup data."

John I am merely asking you for the "backup data" that you claim to have. Now it seems you don't have it. Your defensiveness speaks volumes.

Your argument is that SB county has more shooting per capita than NYC police. While nothing you have posted backs up this claim when asked you attack the person questioning you.

What conclusions are you drawing from your argument? That by the mere fact that SB county has more shootings that they are illegal? While you haven't even proven that you champion that as a fact.

I would suggest you focus on each shooting and to its merits. I doubt the police, sheriff, or CHP put caps on the amount of officer involved shooting and then restricts them from protecting people. If we had crazed gun toting maniacs running around SB would you prefer that they were not dealt with accordingly because they have to shoot less people?

You assertion is unsubstantiated by "data" you claim to have but can not reference. When you are questioned about it you attack me. Sorry but I don't agree with you. I would prefer our LE to not be handcuffed in protecting us by unrealistic claims by a keyboard cowboy.

deniseL (anonymous profile)
December 9, 2013 at 11:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

deniseL, I believe you are looking for this portion of his post above?


"In 2011, New York City police officers shot and killed 9 suspects and injured 19 more, the second-lowest annual toll in recent city history, according to a Police Department report."


NYC population in 2011 was 8.27 million.

Rate of officer involved shootings in NYC: approximately 1 shooting for every 300,000 citizens in the year 2011.

A comparable rate for SB County would be at max 2 shootings in a year. We've had that in the first week of December.


So he calculated that a comparable per capita rate would be about 2 shootings, let's make it 3 a year just to be 'conservative'.

We had at least 7 in 2012 (that was just in the first 7 months) and we had 2 just this month and I can think of three others off the top of my head and I'll bet there were more....

His point seems to be that we are already several fold above New York City per capita and we haven't finished counting.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
December 9, 2013 at 11:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks loonpt but no. What I am looking for is source for the data. Not "we had 7", where is he getting that number. i could make up a number too. He said he found a source, please post the source.

deniseL (anonymous profile)
December 10, 2013 at 6:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So I found JohnLocke's "source" for his 2012 "data"

Nice try John... But all 7 shooting were in North county. Either Santa Maria, Lompoc, or rural area involving CHP, SDSO, or Santa Maria PD. Way to skew information.

This article is about South County.... SBPD, they had 0 shootings in 2012.

deniseL (anonymous profile)
December 10, 2013 at 6:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Not much information released up to this date due to this shooting being investigated but I have a couple questions. Is any agency outside the PD investigating? Will the officer(s) involved be required to meet with a psychologist/counselor to discuss this incident in an attempt to determine if the officer(s) are ready to return to duty?

whatsinsb (anonymous profile)
December 10, 2013 at 6:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Density, overcrowding, and low socioeconomic status are major roots of violence.

If you build it, violence will follow.

Georgy (anonymous profile)
December 10, 2013 at 8:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The 7 figure: ( was released by the County Sheriff.

Nice try, denisel, but as I stated at the beginning, I'm comparing the NYC stats (which include ALL of NYC including the relatively rural areas of Staten Island) to SB county (which, again, I clearly stated) and thus including county as well as city LEO. The fact that 7 shootings in North county were irrelevant to my point. Still in county.

But if you prefer, let's just focus on the city: One on 9/2, one on 12/6 - that alone matches all of NYC for a year. Search officer-involved shootings in SB and you'll find them in Goleta, Santa Maria, Lompoc etc. all of which are in SB county, all of which are included in SB County population, and all of which constitute a fair comparison of the OIS (officer involved shootings) in our county of 1/2 million to that of NYC population 8 million.

So ignore, defend, disregard, hide your head in the sand, but countywide we've got a bunch of LEO thugs with badges with a shoot first mentality. Not all, for sure, but enough to be of great concern.

It should also be of great concern that our illustrious DA apparently believes every OIS is a justified one.

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
December 10, 2013 at 8:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Minimum wage in Mexico is $2.50 an hour which is why US manufacturers are moving production south of the border.

US minimum wage demands now reach $15 and hour which is why populations south of the border continue to flood into the US.

Subtract the net loss of jobs due to the demand for higher US minimum wages. Then do the math.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
December 10, 2013 at 8:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

We've reached a point where criminals have gotten brazen and as a result cops have gotten trigger crazy (not to be confused with trigger happy).
So which came first and why? Cops have ALWAYS been a response to criminals because criminal behavior existed long before law enforcement, simple human nature.
But why have criminals become more brazen? We have reached the idiocracy phase in society where stupidity, bad manners, bad behavior and incompetence is rewarded.
"Everybody makes mistake!" or "Haters gonna hate!" or even "It is what it is!" have become the mantras to live by these days, thus allowing excusability for all forms of bad behavior.
With this said, yes, there are LEO's that exhibit bad behavior, but this is NOT the majority, every department has a couple of bad apples.
Criminals always exhibit bad behavior, 100% of them and guess what? In most cases it is illegal AND they're ALL bad apples.
Loony, just for you and your ever-going "war on drugs" I am going to say that pot dealers are NOT the criminals I speak of in this post. I am talking gang scum and those deviants that choose to break laws that harm others. But a pot dealer? GIMME A BREAK!
So with that said, loony, please don't try to launch some wikipedia or youtube link (useless data) as to why gang vermin are "victims of the war on drugs" because I ain't buying it!
These lousy excuses for humans began their gang activity long before the drugs came into play. They wanted power, they wanted to be cool, they wanted to belong to something, the worthless life of a gangster was their choice. The drugs come later as a party favor.
Oh, and 1 more thing, cops these days are finding it hard to do their job, which is POLICING. This has forced many an innocent person to take the law into their own hands, vigilante style if you will. But then the innocents become criminals. If law enforcement was allowed to do their job then maybe this wouldn't need to be.

blahblahmoreblah (anonymous profile)
December 10, 2013 at 12:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

John these are all different agencies you mention. You are comparing them to a large east coast city police agency and fail to draw any corealation to their numbers. I am not hiding, I have refuted your rehetoric every step of the way. Your post seems nonsensical.

Your last sentence is the most incredulous. You have offered no proof that any shooting was illegal except for the preceved fact that per captia "two" shootings here in SB are more than NYPD. Do you not see the faulty train of thought here? State facts, what about any of the 7 shooting that you champion as proof were illegal? Use sources, please convince me. The mere inference that multiple shootings by different people is somehow illegal does not make sense. It is a far-flung allegation.

Now you're saying there is 500,000 people in Santa Barbara County instead of 300,000 as you mentioned before. Numbers don't change John. You used your 300,000 number to base your per capita information off. Now that changes too. Per Google it is 431,000.

deniseL (anonymous profile)
December 10, 2013 at 12:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, of course they are different agencies, but all in SB County providing policity for a population 5% that of NYC. It's not a matter of the shootings being illegal. nor did I ever allege that the shootings were illegal. Heck, our own DA, solidly in the pocket of county-wide law enforcement, has found nothing illegal about the shootings.

But IMO, it's a matter of shoot first, investigate later. There is no fault in my logic. In SB County, with the 1/2 million number I used, there are multiples of the per capita number of OIS as in NYC. With 431,000 people in SB County instead of the 500,000 I used, the numbers are even more alarming.

"Perceived fact"? The two shootings I mentioned happened. They ARE facts. Quit mixing up numbers. Focus on the big picture.

No, I didn't say there were 300,000 people in SB County:, I said "Rate of officer involved shootings in NYC: [ i.e. equivalent to] approximately 1 shooting for every 300,000 citizens in the year 2011." Yes, I am comparing them to a large East Coast agency, so what? Broaden your view - I'll stipulate that ALL SB County police organizations are guilty of overzealous trigger behavior, not to mention questionable DUI arrests (that IS city of SB, BTW) and beatdowns.

Once again, my point is that we need a serious investigation of police behavior in SB County, perhaps by a federal agency to eliminate the obvious protectionist attitude evidenced by our local govs and DA. Focus on the data, do some research, read MUCH more carefully.

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
December 10, 2013 at 2:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

John, you opinion means nothing to anybody, get over yourself!

madmikey272 (anonymous profile)
December 10, 2013 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Interesting, madmikey that you think you speak for everyone. Some ego you got there dude. loonpt does seem to get it. Want to participate in a fact-based discussion or just sit in your reality distortion zone and sling insults?

Read the facts. Our local LEOs are dangerous to your health.

deniseL has obviously drunk the SB koolaid or maybe is from a LEO family and hopelessly biassed. Her objections to my numbers are a combination of missing the forest for the trees and outright denial.

If you think that our county, 1/20th the size of NYC should have an OIS total significantly less than NYC, then write the Supes and Council and ask for an investigation. If not, keep your peace.

If you don't like my data, all from public sources, go get your own. If you want to continue living your in reality distortion zone, go right ahead. Just don't make any sudden moves around any LEOs from SB County.

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
December 10, 2013 at 3:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Old people you are not safe:

"Delma Towler's family wants an apology from Altavista police. Friday, her oldest daughter spoke with ABC 13 News for the first time since Wednesday night when an Altavista officer shot and killed Towler.

Madeline Clark says it was impossible for her mom to have seen officers or even hear them saying drop the weapon. Towler's hearing aids were not in her ears, and her glasses were not on."

Comedians you are not safe:

A campus police offer in San Antonio has been placed on paid leave following the shooting of an unarmed student who directed a sarcastic remark toward the officer.

The incident took place Friday morning during a traffic stop close to the University of the Incarnate Word. KSAT News reports that 23-year-old honor student Robert Cameron Redus was shot to death by Cpl. Christopher Carter at around around 2 a.m.

After pulling Redus over for speeding, according to the police report, witnesses said that the officer emptied his gun into the student, without warning and despite the fact he was unarmed.

“I didn’t hear him say anything like, ‘Get down on your hands and knees,’ you know? I didn’t hear him say anything. He just started shooting,” one witness said. “He emptied the gun on him… Boom, boom, boom.Six shots — five or six.”

Another witness, Mohammad Haidarasl, says that Redus’ last words were “Oh, you’re gonna shoot me?” said to Carter in a sarcastic off-handed tone. Haidarasl added that he heard the officer saying “Stop resisting, stop resisting.”

loonpt (anonymous profile)
December 10, 2013 at 4:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

See if you can see any disparity between the following -

Cops story:

CHULA VISTA, Calif. – A Border Patrol agent fatally shot a 32-year-old mother of five Friday in suburban San Diego as he rode on the hood of her car after she ran into him, authorities and family members said.

The agent fired after being driven several hundred yards on the hood, Chula Vista police Capt. Gary Wedge told The Associated Press. The woman was later identified in a police statement as Valeria Alvarado.

The shooting occurred about five miles north of the Mexican border as plainclothes agents were looking to serve a felony warrant in the area to someone other than Alvarado, Border Patrol Deputy Chief Rodney Scott told U-T San Diego.

Witnesses story:

Witnesses in the area at the time of the shooting told NBC 7 San Diego they saw Alvarado slowly driving in reverse as the agent opened fire on her at least six times.

"As the car was backing up the officer was in the street walking toward the car, and discharging,” recalled witness Prince Watson.

No wood carving allowed in Seattle or you will be shot dead:

Don't get pulled over:

An unarmed 22-year-old man shot and killed by a New York City police officer during a traffic stop in Queens Thursday morning was a member of the New York Army National Guard, authorities said.

Police said Noel Polanco was speeding and driving erratically near LaGuardia Airport just after 5 a.m. when he was pulled over by officers. New York Police Department sources initially told news outlets that as two officers approached the car, Polanco reached under his seat, prompting Detective Hassam Handy to shoot him once in the stomach. Polanco died shortly after being taken to a nearby hospital.

No weapons were recovered from the car, but a hand drill was found under the driver's seat, police said.

Don't trick the police into thinking you have a meth lab in your home:

A 12-year-old girl suffered burns to one side of her body when a flash grenade went off next to her as a police SWAT team raided a West End home Tuesday morning.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
December 10, 2013 at 5:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't fight fires:

The fire was all around Dan Jensen.

He could see it. He could smell it. He could hear it.

It was close enough to touch. It was burning down his neighbor's house. It was creeping toward Jensen's own fence 10 feet away, and he started spraying the fire with his hose.

Police ordered Jensen to get back, and he complied.

But after a few minutes passed without firefighters arriving, a frustrated Jensen stepped forward and leaned down to grab the skinny gray garden hose once again.

That's when he heard the order.

"Hit 'em! Take him down! Tase him!"

A Tucson, Ariz., SWAT team defends shooting an Iraq War veteran 60 times during a drug raid, although it declines to say whether it found any drugs in the house and has had to retract its claim that the veteran shot first.

And the Pima County sheriff, whose team conducted the raid, scolded the media for "questioning the legality" of the shooting.

Jose Guerena, 26, died the morning of May 5. He was asleep in his Tucson home after working a night shift at the Asarco copper mine when his wife, Vanessa, saw the armed SWAT team outside her youngest son's bedroom window.

"She saw a man pointing at her with a gun," said Reyna Ortiz, 29, a relative who is caring for Vanessa and her children. Ortiz said Vanessa Guerena yelled, "Don't shoot! I have a baby!"

Vanessa Guerena thought the gunman might be part of a home invasion -- especially because two members of her sister-in-law's family, Cynthia and Manny Orozco, were killed last year in their Tucson home, her lawyer, Chris Scileppi, said. She shouted for her husband in the next room, and he woke up and told his wife to hide in the closet with the child, Joel, 4.

Guerena grabbed his assault rifle and was pointing it at the SWAT team, which was trying to serve a narcotics search warrant as part of a multi-house drug crackdown, when the team broke down the door. At first the Pima County Sheriff's Office said that Guerena fired first, but on Wednesday officials backtracked and said he had not. "The safety was on and he could not fire," according to the sheriff's statement.

Tucson SWAT Team Shot Iraq War Vet 60 Times

loonpt (anonymous profile)
December 10, 2013 at 5:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

St. Paul police kicked a man in the face as he lay on the ground and tried to explain that his mother couldn't quickly get to the ground because she'd recently had surgery, a lawsuit says. Police then shot a "flash-bang" grenade directly at the woman, setting her afire and seriously burning her legs, according to the lawsuit.


An FBI SWAT team stormed a family home in District Heights, Maryland, yesterday at 6 a.m.

Agents fired at an unarmed 18-year-old woman in what appears to have been a no-knock raid. Via ABC 7:

“They almost hit my daughter, man,” says Emory Hughley. “If I hadn’t told her to go back in her room they probably would have shot her.”

Hughley says he was asleep in the basement when he heard a bang at the front door. His 18-year-old daughter Myasia was upstairs in her room with two friends who were spending the night. Around 6 a.m. he says he came up to the living room and saw 15 FBI SWAT agents coming inside, guns drawn.

“I’m shouting ‘Nobody is armed, nobody has a gun!’ and then all of a sudden I heard ‘She’s got a gun!’ and they just opened fire,” he says.


Sticks and stones:

San Bernardino Police officers shot and killed a 28-year-old man when he reportedly threw a stick at them as they tried to investigate a disturbance Thursday afternoon, officials said.
Johnny Louis Gonzalez of San Bernardino was shot several timed by police officers, according to a police press release. He was taken to Community Hospital where he was later pronounced dead.

Around 2:30 p.m., police were called out to the 2400 block of N. San Benito Street for a family fight, according to police officials. When the arrived a man, later identified as Gonzalez, reportedly charged at officers. He pulled a wooden stick from his waistband and threw it at the police officers, officials said.

According to the release, the officers feared for their lives and fired their weapons, striking Gonzalez.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
December 10, 2013 at 5:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Exclusive: Shootings by Philly police soar as violent crime plummets

The number of violent crimes fell last year in Philadelphia, as did assaults on police officers.

But the number of people shot by police is up.

Way up.

The number of shootings by police in 2012 resulting in death or injury climbed to the highest level it’s been in 10 years. Philadelphia police shot 52 suspects last year while responding to calls for reported crimes. Of those shot, 15 people died.

And the city's own police watchdog says the department hasn't provided a reason for the increase. The Police Advisory Commission has been repeatedly blocked in its efforts to review shootings and, according to the executive director of the Police Advisory Commission, Internal Affairs has refused to supply requested information about any of the shootings.

Police Internal Affairs investigators and the district attorney's office have not raised any known concerns about the shootings. But the number dwarfs that of the previous year. In 2011, 35 were shot. In 2012, the shootings increased almost 50 percent.

Critics say the data, collected and analyzed by, raise questions about the use of deadly force in Philadelphia.

“It certainly raises a red flag,” said David Rudovsky, the civil rights attorney and University of Pennsylvania law professor. “The numbers almost speak for themselves.”

loonpt (anonymous profile)
December 10, 2013 at 6 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To punctuate what Loon is saying, there is this report on the investigation into the LAPD;

billclausen (anonymous profile)
December 10, 2013 at 7:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Density, overcrowding, and low socioeconomic status are major roots of violence.

If you build it, violence will follow.

Georgy (anonymous profile)
December 10, 2013 at 8:52 a.m. (

Georgy gets it, but many can't see the forest for the trees. Ever wonder why crime and violence flourish in urban settings?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
December 10, 2013 at 7:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Loon" smells like an ACLU lawyer to me!

madmikey272 (anonymous profile)
December 11, 2013 at 8 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you, loonpt. Obviously the problem is everywhere. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't fix it here. We need better LEOs, not more of them, and a new Chief with a protect and serve attitude instead of a shoot 'em attitude.

makmikey what's wrong with being an ACLU lawyer?

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
December 11, 2013 at 8:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Compare our level of officer-involved shootings (per capita) with NYC. You will shocked, amazed, and disgusted with our local PD."

JohnLocke wrote on December 8th

By local "PD" I assume you mean SBPD. SBPD had 0 officer shootings in 2011. Looks like your analysis is off Johnny. I know you hate the cops but changing your argument to fit your outlandish statements speaks volume. Insulting me or anyone that disagrees with you just proves that your point is baseless.

Loonpt your snippets just tell one side of the story. I Googled some of your posts, you fail to mention that those people were doing more then what you cut and pasted. Like the guy who attacked the cop with a baton or the "mother" who hit the cop with her car. Nice try but much like John bending facts to prove a point only makes your point look worthless.

deniseL (anonymous profile)
December 14, 2013 at 8:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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