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Mackenzie Matthews and friends at the Chick-fil-A grand opening campout

Paul Wellman

Mackenzie Matthews and friends at the Chick-fil-A grand opening campout


Early Birds Flock to Chick-fil-A

Meanwhile, LGBTQ Advocacy Group Says Fast Food Chain Still Donating to Anti-Gay Causes


Thursday, February 7, 2013
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A mini tent city appeared on upper State Street early Wednesday morning, filled with 86 die hard Chick-fil-A fans trying to be the new fast food restaurant’s inaugural customers for its grand opening 24 hours later.

The first 100 to pass through its doors got meal vouchers for 52 of the chain’s No. 1 combos, redeemable anywhere, anytime. Campers came from as far away as Arizona, some with 30+ opening day field trips under their belts, and all had to wear numbered wristbands and stay put in the chain’s parking lot until 6 a.m. Thursday or else lose their place in line.

Chick-fil-A grand opening campout
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Paul Wellman

Chick-fil-A grand opening campout

Amid humming generators, board games on folding tables, and power strips bristling with laptop and TV cords, Santa Barbara’s Chick-fil-A owner, Carol Ruiz, said there hadn’t been an issue with the new South Coast location after last year’s flap at the city’s Architectural Board of Review when some of the board’s members abstained from voting on a design change following controversial statements made by Chick-fil-A president Dan Cathy about gay marriage. Those in line Wednesday said they only had food on their minds. “I’m just here for the chicken,” said Jade Lansing.

But across town later in the afternoon, an LGBTQ advocacy group calling itself the Lose Your Appetite for Hate Coalition ascended the steps of City Hall to protest Chick-fil-A’s “questionable history of anti-gay donations.” Its members, organized by the Santa Barbara Equality Project and including representatives from Pacific Pride Foundation, the Fund for Santa Barbara, and the Santa Barbara County Democratic Party, said the company — despite recent news reports to the contrary — continues to funnel millions of dollars through its charity to anti-gay causes.

In 2010 alone, Chick-fil-A’s charity arm, the WinShape Foundation, reportedly received $8 million from corporate Chick-fil-A, Inc., which collects 50 percent of all profits from local franchises. In 2008, some of the organizations the chain supports backed the statewide Proposition 8 campaign against marriage equality. Records show the company still donates large sums to the Marriage & Family Foundation, the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, and the National Christian Foundation.

Lose Your Appetite for Hate Coalition press conference
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Courtesy Pacific Pride/Facebook

Lose Your Appetite for Hate Coalition press conference

Though Chick-fil-A has stopped giving to some of the more extreme efforts it previously supported — a total of $2,000 was given to Uganda’s “Kill the Gays bill” and “gay conversion therapy” practiced by certified hate group Exodus International — those rescinded funds account for less than one percent of the company’s total anti-gay donations, according to an Equality Matters report handed out Wednesday. “Our main goal is to end media speculation, along with encouraging local restaurants and members of the Santa Barbara community to pledge not to patronize businesses that support hate of the LGBTQ community,” said Lauren Gunther, with the Santa Barbara Equality Project. According to Gunther, Silvergreens has vowed to support the coalition.

“We have many locals who have already pledged they won’t give their money for hate,” said Tania Israel with the Fund for Santa Barbara. In a prepared statement dispersed to media before the press conference, Pacific Pride said that, “Unlike many other fast food chains, Chick-fil-A does not offer any domestic partnership benefits and does not have any non-discrimination policies in place to protect LGBT employees.” The statement also included a quote given by Dan Cathy to Mike Huckabee in response to reports that Chick-fil-A would end donations to groups against same-sex marriage. “There continues to be erroneous implications in the media that Chick-fil-A changed our practices and priorities. … Chick-fil-A made no such concessions, and remains true to who we are and who we have been.”

The confusion seems to have arisen from a January 28 Huffington Post article in which Shane Windmeyer — co-founder and director of Campus Pride, a national support organization for LBGTQ students in college — said he and Dan Cathy had become friends, and that he had seen Chick-fil-A’s 2011 tax forms that showed the company had completely stopped giving to anti-gay groups. “… The financials affirms Chick-fil-A’s values a year prior to the controversy this past July,” Windmeyer said. “The funding reflects Chick-fil-A’s promised commitment not to engage in ‘political or social debates.’”

CNN, ABC, and the Los Angeles Times quickly reported on Windmeyer’s assertions. But in an interview with The Advocate soon after, Windmeyer clarified that a few of the groups in question and identified as decidedly anti-gay were still, in fact, receiving donations. Just the more extreme organizations had lost Chick-fil-A funding, he stated.

Ryan Ellis and Justin Smith sing about Chick-fil-A
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Paul Wellman

Ryan Ellis and Justin Smith sing about Chick-fil-A

Back in the parking lot of Santa Barbara’s one and only Chick-fil-A, which replaced a Burger King at 3707 State Street, the controversy that’s coated the fast food behemoth was either lost on or forgotten by the customer campers and restaurant staff. Mackenzie Matthews came with three friends for the grand opening, her fifth. They said they were looking forward to the DJ scheduled to play later in the evening, and expressed deep gratitude for Chick-fil-A staffer Mama Sue who had made sure the campers were comfortable with bathroom access, free drinks, and free food. “We do things different than Apple,” said corporate staffer Cindy Chapman in reference to how they pamper their eager guests.

Jim and Barbara Klaus from Orange County said they stopped tallying the grand openings they’d attended after around 30 in five years. They give most of their vouchers away to friends and family, they explained, and noted the Santa Barbara event was one of the best they’ve attended. “It’s fantastic,” said Jim, staring up at the Santa Ynez Mountains in the morning light. Soon after, Jade Lansing asked Chapman how many people were counted during the last line-up, which were scheduled for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and right before bed. Chapman said the number had dropped from 86 to 83. “Call your friends,” she said to Lansing. “I definitely will,” Lansing replied.

A few parking spaces away, Ryan Ellis and Justin Smith were jamming on guitars and singing an improvised tune that lamented the single fried chicken biscuit sandwich they received for breakfast. It was so tasty, they crooned, and they were still hungry, so they wanted another. What drew them to the chain’s 10-year grand opening tradition? “When I heard about this, I thought to myself, ‘If I ever do anything in my life, I want it to be this,’” said Ellis with a wry smile. And what would they do with their 52 vouchers? Would they give them away or eat through the collection themselves? “Jesus will let me know,” Ellis continued. He explained he’s not religious, but loves Jesus.

Owner Carol Ruiz, who showed off her location’s expanded patio with seating for 70, freshly manicured landscaping, and enlarged kitchen where all the fast food joint’s meals are hand-made, said she hired 80 workers for the new franchise. A former brand management executive for an international cosmetics firm, Ruiz had lived in Santa Barbara for years before moving abroad. She’s back in town and said her sister, who operates a Chick-fil-A in Atlanta, inspired her to apply for ownership.

Soaking in what she called the camaraderie of her guests, Ruiz said she was as excited as everyone else for the scavenger hunt organized for later in the day and the appearance of Chick-fil-A’s cow mascot. Even before the grand opening, she noted, the franchise had set up food donation programs with nearby Citrix and Raytheon and area retailers.

Chick-fil-A, founded 1967 in an Atlanta, Georgia suburb, plans to open 102 new locations around the country this year. There are already 1,691 restaurants in 39 states, and the company reached $4.6 billion in sales in 2012, an increase of nearly 14 percent from the year before. Ruiz said four new franchises will open in Southern California in the coming weeks, including one in Ventura by the end of the month.

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God is about as credible as Santa Claus. Religion is a non-sensical myth that only brings harm to humanity. The proof of which lies everywhere if you only look.

Riceman (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 9:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Although I don't condone using a business as a pulpit for religious or political viewpoints, this controversy doesn't seem to have done Chik-fil-A any harm. I drove past there twice yesterday and it was completely packed with cars backed up out into the street.

Botany (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Riceman, a one trick pony. Ad nauseum.

Scooter (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It's just free publicity C-FA at this point but obviously Ruiz shares the same primitive beliefs as the corporate owners or you'd think she'd have said something by now as other franchisees have.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Obviously NOT Ken. Although I have no clue what her personal beliefs are, likely her only interest in this venture is making money.

But you did very well at proving my point. Dan Cathy has a particular religious and political viewpoint. He used his position in the business to convey that viewpoint to the public. Now everyone associated with the business from Dan Cathy to Carol Ruiz to some poor schmuck serving chicken burgers will be labeled homophobic because of whay Dan Cathy did. I won't be surprised if the drive-through employees get harrassed because of this.

Botany (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A very thorough analysis by the Indy here that ChickFillAye corporation still contributes plenty of money to homophobic
organizations.

More detail:
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/01...

And perhaps the first time an outside photo album on Facebook was posted by the Indy as its photo report of an event.

John_Adams (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 11:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Other franchisees spoke out against him and kept their franchises. If she's too timid to express any opinion, or too crass, or agrees we don't know.
No doubt there's extremists, on both ends, They can all have C-FA or duke it out in the parking lot for all I care really. Cathy's views are going the way of 8 track tapes, and if people want to clog their arteries go ahead. I personally have no interest in their "food" to begin with so me calling for a boycott is pointless. In addition we have enough truly local restaurants of the same nature and In n' Out as a back up; so let Ruiz have her her rubber chicken empire.
Again, it's just free publicity for C-FA at this point.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 11:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I will never patronize this place.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 11:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So would this be analogous to the dead heads going from concert to concert? Chick-Fil-A HEADS!

bimboteskie (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 12:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The minute Ruiz announced opening a C-FA she become a public person, so it's a little disingenuous if not shady for her not to issue a statement on this issue that directly pertains to her and is so divisive to the community.
Either she has some form of principles or none at all. Is she a coward or completely amoral?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why? It's not a matter of corporate policy. It's Dan Cathy's personal beliefs. If your boss expresses his political or religious opinions, does it oblige you to do the same? Of course not. EVERYONE has the right to keep their political or religious beliefs to themselves if they choose to do so. Would you deprive her of that right?

Botany (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 1:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dan Cathy is not Ruiz's boss, he is her business partner. She has chosen to do with business with him and his company. Of course people have the right to keep their beliefs to themselves, but she voluntarily and with great fanfare entered a controversial issue of which she wants all the publicity but none of the responsibility.
Did the reporter ask "the question"? If so what was the response?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 1:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No, she didn't enter a controversial issue, she entered a business. Dan Cathy entered a controversial issue. That was his choice. Ruiz should have the choice on whether she wants to enter a controversial issue or not.

So does the guy in the take out window have to give his opinion on gay rights too?

Botany (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 2:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ruiz does indeed have a choice and she is choosing it, silence. That in itself says all it needs to.

She entered a business arrangement with a company that was in the midst of a scandal, no free passes. People are understandably curious as to where she, as the local public figurehead of that company has to say on the matter.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 2:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"RICEman is not a NICE man".

Yep, I saw a whole bunch of people l outside the place last night as I was leaving work--this was at about 11:30. The only thing missing was Draxor driving up and down the block honking his horn in protest.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 3:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Are there any gay chicken mascots?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 3:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's their bodies.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 3:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I drove by late last evening and bought a couple of their sandwiches(one for me and one for a homeless guy on State that I give food to). The chicken itself was great, the sandwich itself was kind of weird. They use a foil bag for the sandwiches which is pretty nice. My regular bum liked his sandwich.
I can answer for Ruiz, and I am channeling as a Latina- "Mr Cathy has his own personal views and I have mine. Welcome to Chick-fil-A.".

italiansurg (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 3:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To answer Bill,
Foghorn Leghorn is a HUGE gay icon.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 3:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To Ms. Ruiz,
What is your position on what the industry calls "pink slime"?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I forgot about ol' Foghorn Leghorn; good point and one of my kids asked me when they were real small if I though he was gay.
There must be some more examples so that we can continue poking fun at Cathy's ridiculous, stupid, and antiquated personal views.

italiansurg (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 3:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Will a Chick Fil-A sandwich make me feel pretty or witty?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 4:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What about wise? Are you discriminating against the triad? Oh for the days of wacky hijinks by romanticized gang life...

italiansurg (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 4:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Whether Apple or Chik fil a, amazing people have nothing better to do than to camp out, dying to be the first to spend money on product, or sing about it. Makes me feel gross to be on this planet, just like how I feel after eating fast food. Plenty of stuff to make me feel good, mostly not reported on, like pollo fino, best chicken in town for you meat eaters.

spacey (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 5:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hamburger Habit has the best chicken sandwiches imho.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 5:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Early birds all the way from Arizona? Sounds like goonie birds to me. Who paid for the traveling expenses? Tea Party?

I'm with DrDan. No chick-fil-a for me, ever. My friends and family agree.

taz (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 8:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You're right Ken, upon reflection, Foghorn always refused the advanced of that hen who was always trying to marry him.

My sister tells me that Foghorn and Snagglepus("Exit, stage left") were an item back in the 60's,

billclausen (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 8:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"advances"

billclausen (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 8:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Italiansurg; Its nice you bought a sandwich for a homeless person but your reference of him as "my regular bum" was degrading and unkind.

rblacumbre (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 10:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Whenever you drive by this reprehensible purveyor of "Chk-Food", HONK YOUR CAR HORN for the time it takes to drive by. Everyone do this as our little protest. Let 'em hear you inside. It may not do a single thing, but maybe it will keep our protest of their hate ringing in their deaf ears.

Remember: HONK AGAINST HATE!!!

Draxor (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 11:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Draxor, why do I have to wait 'till I pass by there? I think I'll go out and honk my horn NOW.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
February 9, 2013 at 2:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Off topic: What's with that model for the American Apparel ad on the sidebar of this website with that creepy Marilyn Manson look?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
February 9, 2013 at 2:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"To answer Bill,
Foghorn Leghorn is a HUGE gay icon."

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 8, 2013 at 3:36 p.m

@Ken: What about Adam Seymour Duckstein?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
February 9, 2013 at 2:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

billclausen (anonymous profile)
February 9, 2013 at 3:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I call him "my regular bum" as a personal moniker when I greet him as well, he won't give me his name(UNPOLITE!)
It's good to know I am driving some people crazy by not using approved speech while feeding the homeless/helpless.
I have to admit KV that I have not dined on the HH Chicken Sandwich, it's always a burger or albacore.

italiansurg (anonymous profile)
February 9, 2013 at 7 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Would you give an "irregular bum" a sandwich with more fiber?
As for Duckstein, still processing that new info.. but I guess even a poorly drawn duck is better than none.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 9, 2013 at 9:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Before they opened, CFA was in the Raytheon parking lot giving away free sandwiches to those who would write a valentine's card to a soldier serving overseas.

More than a few observed a predominantly male staff was writing valentines to predominately male soldiers.

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
February 9, 2013 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Either we truly have an army of lovers; or straight guys will do anything for a free sandwich.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 9, 2013 at 11:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

@italiansurg: "It's good to know I am driving some people crazy by not using approved speech while feeding the homeless/helpless."

I just think it's funny that you refer to him like he's one of your possessions simply because you give him a crappy sandwich once in a while. Yeah, you're a real saint.

EatTheRich (anonymous profile)
February 9, 2013 at 12:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

C'mon folks lighten up. No good deed goes undamned around here I guess.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 9, 2013 at 12:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Geez, criticizing those that help the homeless? Now THAT'S low! I guess only the government is allowed to help the homeless, huh?

Botany (anonymous profile)
February 9, 2013 at 1:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

@Botany: "I guess only the government is allowed to help the homeless, huh?"

Your straw man is just adorable.

EatTheRich (anonymous profile)
February 9, 2013 at 1:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

KV, I dunno, maybe an alternative to "No good deed goes undamned around here" could be "every good deed somehow gets damned" on these threads. It's cool Italiansurg. gives the guy a sammy, who cares about the term? And Botany uses a lot of straw men in his reasoning, it's clever of him/her.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
February 9, 2013 at 2:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks DD, seriously.
I will never come close to St. Billy the Dog.

italiansurg (anonymous profile)
February 9, 2013 at 3 p.m. (Suggest removal)

@Ken: Who had a duck on his facebook page as his profile picture? Hint: It wasn't me.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
February 9, 2013 at 8:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"To Ms. Ruiz,
What is your position on what the industry calls "pink slime"?"

Pink slime is a beef product. Chick-fil-A serves chicken sandwiches. Further, those chicken sandwiches are made from whole breast filets, unlike most fast food chicken sandwiches. Say what you want about their politics, but their product is tastier and higher quality than that of most other fast food joints.

RonPowers (anonymous profile)
February 9, 2013 at 11:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There is also the chicken equivalent of pink slime that includes feathers, beaks, talons, contents of digestive tract amplifying the need for ammonia to disinfect then the addition of "chicken flavoring" to mask the ammonia.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 9, 2013 at 11:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You're likely referring to mechanically separated chicken, which is not necessarily (but may sometimes be) treated with ammonia. Different process than pink slime--mechanically separated beef is actually no longer used for human consumption. Whatever the case, Ms. Ruiz is likely not in favor of the meat to which you were attempting to allude, as her restaurant does not serve it.

RonPowers (anonymous profile)
February 10, 2013 at 2:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Just like the issue of equality, we are only left to guess what Ms. Ruiz's real opinions are regarding issues related specifically to her business. Her silence still speaks volumes.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 10, 2013 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

That begs the question "What business is it of ours and why do we care?"

Don't forget, Cathy stated what his personal views are regarding gays and gay marriage, not any corporate policy. I don't see any connection on why Ruiz should state her opinion on Cathy's personal views that are not part of corporate policy.

Should every corporate manager be required to state opinions on the owner's personal religious or political views? There's just no connection there and you haven't made the case for one.

Botany (anonymous profile)
February 10, 2013 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

She's a public person who's stepped into controversy quite voluntarily, people are naturally curious. She leaves us only to guess. If she has any decency or a backbone at all, she would state her position. Are her views something she's ashamed of?
She's not a manager, she entered into a contract with Dan Cathy.
I know you can read Botany, so quit cherry picking and saying there's no connection ect. You know darn well it's a relevant question to ask her and she's shady for not answering it.

She wants ALL of the publicity but NONE of the responsibility.

If a successful local business owner entered a public business agreement with a well known Anti-Semite wouldn't you be curious as to why? Wouldn't you want to know if that business owner shared those views?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 10, 2013 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And again, did Hayden even ask "the question" ? If so, what was her response? I can't think of any journalist who wouldn't have addressed the elephant in the room.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 10, 2013 at 10:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There was a lovely all gender kiss in at that location yesterday, maybe Ruiz has an opinion about that.
And who is the anonymous cosmetics giant she once worked for? Avon?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 10, 2013 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No, she didn't enter into a contract with Cathy. She entered into a contract with Chik-fil-A. There's the big difference. And no, she's not a public figure. The only publicity she is seeking is for her business (she's a local franchisee), not for herself, there's the other difference.

And she should have none of the responsibility for Cathy's PERSONAL remarks.

Do you or I check out or vet the personal viewpoints of the people we do business with? I don't. I have done business with people who's religion or politics I have disagreed with many times. What I care about is if their business practices are ethical, nothing else.It's not personal, it's business.

Botany (anonymous profile)
February 10, 2013 at 11:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A) Cathy owns Chick Fill-A, therefore she enetered into a contract with Cathy.
B) YES she is a public figure, as the owner she is the public face of her business and in addition she grants interviews thus fully accepting her position as a public figure.
C) Her responsibility lies in being forthright and stating a position, or not. But if she continues to do so she's not much of a businesswoman if she wonders why people think she shares Cathy's cretinous code.
D) Most businesses haven't interjected themselves into the public shpere other than thru their business and service. CF-A and Cathy have. So since "they" (in which she now wants to include herself) set up the situation, she can expect to have questions asked and answers desired if not demanded.
Otherwise I might as well tell everyone far and wide she's an extremist because her silence leads to any conclusion you or I wish to make. Would that be preferable?
Why doesn't she take the "out" and disavow; or if she is so strong in Cathy-like beliefs then have some guts and state them. Or does she have beliefs? I think I least respect people with no beliefs vs ones I disagree with!
She wants her cake and eat it too.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 10, 2013 at 11:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

At best Ruiz is being cowardly; at worst ______________.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 10, 2013 at 11:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What is her opinion on restaurant segregation?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 10, 2013 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Does she have any openly LGB employees? Does she have any black employees?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 10, 2013 at noon (Suggest removal)

Or is it really just Fascism with a filet?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 10, 2013 at 12:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Completely incorrect. Associating yourself with a business is not the same as associating yourself with the personal views of the people that run that business. You keep making irrelevant arguments and trying to make them relevant.

The logic in your argument is completely flawed. I'm done explaining this to you. If you haven't seen it by now, you're not going to see it. This is my last post on that particular subject.

Botany (anonymous profile)
February 10, 2013 at 12:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Other Chick Fill-A franchise owners felt it necessary to publicly disavow Cathy. Is Ruiz so disconnected from this community that she doesn't know what a divisive issue this has become?
Does she not care?
Remember your defense of Carol Ruiz the next time you attack Wendy McCaw and the News-Press. At least McCaw has beliefs she is willing to state and defend, like them or not.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 10, 2013 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm a big believer in the concept of voting with one's feet. I'm unlikely to eat at CFA for a variety of reasons, not least of which is my health.
I assume that tea party-types don't patronize Ben & Jerry's, for example, for the company's (correctly) perceived left-wing politics. They presumably buy their ice cream elsewhere as is their prerogative.
No, I don't think the owner is _obligated_ to address the issue although it might make for good PR if she were to do so at some point down the road.
I'm 100% for LGB rights on all fronts, but in my personal experience, not everyone feels the same degree of investment in every political, social, cultural that comes down the road and I'm not sure every business owner or manager needs to pass a "personal beliefs" test to match my own. Should this local outlet be found to be involved in any sort of discriminatory practices, that's an entirely different matter and the store and its manager should be held fully/legally accountable.

zappa (anonymous profile)
February 10, 2013 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And why not just open a chicken sandwich restaurant if that is all you want to do? Why does it have to be a franchise?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 10, 2013 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Zappa, I don't think every business owner needs to pass a litmus test of their beliefs. I'm only trying to play a fair game in the ball park they've built.

This particular corporation lists on their own FAQ on their website:

"Q: What is the Corporate Purpose of Chick-fil-A, Inc.?

A: To glorify God by being a faithful steward of all that is entrusted to us. To have a positive influence on all who come in contact with Chick-fil-A."

Q: Why is Chick-fil-A closed on Sunday?

A: Our founder, Truett Cathy, made the decision to close on Sundays in 1946 when he opened his first restaurant in Hapeville, Georgia. He has often shared that his decision was as much practical as spiritual. He believes that all franchised Chick-fil-A® Operators and Restaurant employees should have an opportunity to rest, spend time with family and friends, and worship if they choose to do so. That's why all Chick-fil-A Restaurants are closed on Sundays. It's part of our recipe for success.

http://www.chick-fil-a.com/FAQ#?categ...

Innocuous enough until you learn where your money is going and to what purpose.

According to the company's Press Release, Ms. Ruiz was previously a Brand Management Exec. Given her handling of the controversy she has embraced, she's not doing a good job.

In addition, none of us would be having this discussion if it weren't for Ms. Ruiz's decision to open a scandal tainted franchise restaurant in SB; so she at least owes us the decency of an opinion. But hey, restaurants that are closed on Sunday don't do very well in this area anyway.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 10, 2013 at 1:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm w/zappa and a "believer in the concept of voting with one's feet" as also stated above. And while Botany may assert that "Associating yourself with a business is not the same as associating yourself with the personal views of the people that run that business" -- I am specifically not buying food at CfA because I detest Mr. Cathy's homophobia.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
February 10, 2013 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

billclausen (anonymous profile)
February 10, 2013 at 7:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Come on DD, stating that Cathy is afraid of gays, or that he hates gays is dumb as well. He is following Scripture, as anachronistic and ignorant and self serving as Scripture may be. There is zero proof that through his company he mistreats anyone. And it is not as though people have not been looking for proof that he is some kind of demon.
Please vote with your feet, something I wholeheartedly support. And while I do not want to know the politics or personal beliefs of any business owner, in this case Mr. Cathy now has his views in public and many people disagree and those people SHOULD NOT patronize the place. If this guy had a public opinion that Italian Americans were all Mafioso and de facto criminals I would not give him my money.

italiansurg (anonymous profile)
February 11, 2013 at 6:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ken, you're sort of discrediting your argument by saying how awful their chicken is - I had to try the chicken strips, they're very juicy and well spiced - and the ingredients are much higher quality than your typical fast food joint. Some say it is a sort of east coast more fundy version of In n out (but with chicken).

Including this guy. You'll like this:

http://www.seriouseats.com/2012/07/th...

loonpt (anonymous profile)
February 11, 2013 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I've never tried hence never commented on the taste or quality, only inquired as to the ingredients.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 11, 2013 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ahh, I must have confused "rubber chicken empire" with a commentary on the consistency of the meat.

Ingredients are listed in that article I posted along with instructions on how to make them yourself so you don't have to give Chik-fil-a any money.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
February 11, 2013 at 2:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah I meant to thank you for that Loon! It does look yum. I most likely did make a rubber chicken joke, but those kinda come with the barnyard so to speak.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 11, 2013 at 3:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i can't believe that some of you are actually serious about what you are posting concerning this article .........

iwasbornherethankyouverymuch (anonymous profile)
February 11, 2013 at 3:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shocking ain't it?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
February 11, 2013 at 3:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Ican't believe that some of you are actually serious about what you are posting concerning this article ........."

iwasbornherethankyouverymuch (anonymous profile)
February 11, 2013 at 3:03 p.m.

Please take 14 seconds out of your life to watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ethugA...

billclausen (anonymous profile)
February 11, 2013 at 7:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

3 percent of the population. 90 percent of the hot air.

redbunz (anonymous profile)
February 14, 2013 at 6:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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