Santa Barbara County Jail (April 2012)

Paul Wellman

Santa Barbara County Jail (April 2012)

Jail on Lockdown After Exercise Yard Fight

Six Inmates Hurt; One Sent to Hospital

Friday, January 4, 2013
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The Santa Barbara County Jail is on lockdown after a disturbance in the exercise yard sent one inmate to the hospital and left five others with injuries.

The incident occurred around 11 a.m. on Friday in the yard and involved about 36 inmates. According to authorities, jail medical staff had to treat five inmates for minor injuries, while one inmate was taken to the hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. No jail staffers were hurt during the incident.

A press release from Lt. Butch Arnoldi didn’t give any information on what caused the breakout of violence. He did indicate the jail was placed in an immediate lockdown, which will remain in effect as authorities investigate the incident. He said the lockdown will continue into the weekend.

Arnoldi said the incident could impact the weekend visitation schedule. People who planned to visit an inmate in jail should call (805) 681-4260 before making the trip, he said.


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Fighting in jail? No, I thought these guys were the best our community had to offer, why would they act like this?

AZ2SB (anonymous profile)
January 5, 2013 at 7:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I met a woman who'd been in our lovely jail. When she told me that, I responded with surprise "You went to Prison"? and she answered "I wish".
Jail isn't Prison and our local jail is so bad people who go there wish they could go to prison, as sort of a vacation.
The solution to it's overcrowding is enforcing all the laws. Figure it out.

khiggler (anonymous profile)
January 5, 2013 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

More rules and less privileges in county jail....AS IT SHOULD BE. I never understood how someone could live as a criminal and then demand all the privileges they get in state prison.

You put any group of animals together they will fight. Only thing that matters is the deputies safety.

Validated (anonymous profile)
January 5, 2013 at 4:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What are the privileges?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
January 5, 2013 at 5:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's hard to say to which privileges "Validated" refers, but I think his red-ass attitude is crystal-clear ("More rules and less privileges in county jail... You put any group of animals together they will fight.").

I agree with "Validated" that Deputy, Correction Officer, and employee safety is critical (but it is not singular).

It's good to know the Constitution and the law of the land provides a higher standard for prisoners than running a barnyard.

::"Starting in 1972, "[f]ederal courts sit not to supervise prisons but to enforce the constitutional rights of all 'persons,' which include prisoners. We are not unmindful that prison officials must be accorded latitude in the administration of prison affairs, and that prisoners necessarily are subject to appropriate rules and regulations. But persons in prison, like other individuals, have the right to petition the Government for redress of grievances …"

:: "Save for challenges to conditions of confinement of pretrial detainees,the Court has generally treated challenges to prison conditions as a whole under the cruel and unusual punishments clause of the Eighth Amendment, while challenges to particular incidents and practices are pursued under the due process clause or more specific provisions, such as the First Amendment speech and religion clauses.

:: "Prior to formulating its current approach, the Court recognized several rights of prisoners. Prisoners have a right to be free of racial segregation in prisons, except for the necessities of prison security and discipline. They have the right to petition for redress of grievances, which includes access to the courts for purposes of presenting their complaints, and to bring actions in federal courts to recover for damages wrongfully done them by prison administrators. And they have a right, circumscribed by legitimate prison administration considerations, to fair and regular treatment during their incarceration."

binky (anonymous profile)
January 5, 2013 at 9:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

People forget that not everyone in County Jail has been found guilty of a crime, many have not been charged and some are even released with no charges filed. And they are all in one place with no differentiation other than high risk or protective or general.
Imagine a loved one, who for the sake of argument is 100% innocent, in there. Imagine a loved one picked up after the bars closed, maybe not so innocent but still not deserving of basic protections?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
January 5, 2013 at 10:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You're preaching the choir Ken, but some people--certain bloggers in particular--have that attitude of schadenfreude where they love to see others crash and burn.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
January 6, 2013 at 5:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And...I've read that the U.S. has 5% of the worlds population yet has 25% of the worlds' prisoners.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
January 6, 2013 at 5:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

KV raises a good point. I knew someone in the position he describes and it was a VERY unpleasant experience for her.
(In the fictional realm, T.C. Boyle, in his book "Talk, Talk," also describes such a situation with an additional twist.)
BC is correct re the stats although I suspect China's might be higher if they didn't execute people almost immediately after conviction for many crimes. I suspect accurate info on places such as North Korea and Iran is also lacking. Of course, comparing the U.S. to repressive police states and a fundamentalist theocracy is not excusing the dismal situation here.
Good points also by binky and I really think "red-assed (and) crystal-clear," even though meant pejoratively here, needs to be the title of _something_, a book, name of a rock band etc.?
I know I'm going to try to find a way to work it into my conversation somehow today and I'll be sure to give you credit.

zappa (anonymous profile)
January 6, 2013 at 7:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

They are segregated because of their crimes and inmates segregate themselves by race and gang affiliations also. One accused of a DUI and first time in jail will not be put in northwest or the pc module at first. IF he breaks the rules or shows that he cannot be around other inmates then he is moved. Also, if you were to take away privileges like the SHU program there still will be problems. You cannot put everyone in "the hole" and the exercise yard is a way to get inmates out of their dorms to check on their welfare and search the dorms, so it is a necessary function still. It isn't like they are running a country club.

AZ2SB (anonymous profile)
January 6, 2013 at 8:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

In addition if we expect any kind of positive turn arounds it's not gonna happen by abusing people.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
January 6, 2013 at 12:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

With the exception of AZ2SB the commenters here have no concept of the real world in any California county jail or prison. The facts are that all those facilities exceed the inmates constitutional and title 15 rights on a daily basis. Past litigation has made sure of that.

It's so easy to stand outside the walls and ponder what is best for society when you've never had a hand in catching or controlling societies predators (90+ percent of jail populations). Yes I've sat through those very same college lectures espousing the same ideas commented about above with little or no real world experience. Amazing how many people with a PhD after their names are so wrong.

Hey Ken, just imagine a loved one is savagely raped and the attacker is caught. You'll be happy to know that ANIMAL has a warm bed, 3 square meals a day, canteen, television, rec yard and medical care whenever they need it. On top of that there is a process where they can go about complaining whenever a comfort or privilege is not provided to their satisfaction.

Some people just need to get their heads out of the sand.

Validated (anonymous profile)
January 6, 2013 at 8:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I guess to sum up my concern, I just don't want society to become a monster in response to "monsters".

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
January 7, 2013 at 12:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Fighting in jail? What next---fitting sentences commensurate with crimes?

Draxor (anonymous profile)
January 7, 2013 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The problem is about half the people are there for non-crimes, or victimless crimes.

Prostitution is not a crime, there is no victim.

Selling, manufacturing and possessing drugs is not a crime, there is no victim.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
January 7, 2013 at 1:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's true you are a loon based on those statements.

First of all you'll rarely find a prostitute in jail these days, and women's groups would disagree about it being a victimless crime.

As for drugs.... You obviously don't understand the pain families deal with when a child is addicted or dies from drugs. Ever heard of a car, home or business being burglarized???? Yep, that's most likely a drug addict. And I think the tens of thousands of dead mexicans as a result of the manufacture and trade of drugs would disagree with your statement..... if they could.

Spit the sand out and pay attention for once.

Validated (anonymous profile)
January 7, 2013 at 2:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hilarious that so called experts on criminals still think after 4,000 years that prostitution is a female only profession.
Let's actually name the Women's Groups who want to tell women (and men) what to do with their bodies are?
Who are they?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
January 7, 2013 at 2:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Validated, you are completely misinformed and invalidated on this topic.

Yes, negative consequences occasionally arise from prostitution encounters, but most of the problems are due to the fact that it is illegal and so the prostitutes cannot seek protection from law enforcement in case a transaction goes bad or to end or prevent a violent episode. If prostitution were legal, then women could be protected by both public or private security and they can engage in much more safe atmospheres. If they gather in a large group/place then it attracts law enforcement and the building/property gets confiscated so they have to use hotels, the John's car, tuck behind a Bush or alley, etc.. This prevents them from being able to setup a safe and secure place for the prostitutes. Some prostitutes are able to ward off starvation and eventually create a better life for themselves. Hell, some even ENJOY it. Prostitution is a consensual free market exchange and should not be compared to sexual slavery where young girls are kidnapped from their families and forced into it.

As far as drugs, prescription drugs and addiction are much more widespread and deadly than illegal drugs. If you're so worried about drug addicts, then why don't you focus on banning prescription drugs?

The fact is, if you made drugs legal then manufacturers would compete on price and quality and you would have much cleaner drugs available at a small fraction of the cost. Drug addicts wouldn't need to commit as many crimes, or any crimes, to fund their addiction. You could turn a $40-$80/day habit to a $2/day habit almost overnight by legalizing these substances.

For more information, please read my comment here:

loonpt (anonymous profile)
January 7, 2013 at 2:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You must be smoking some good bud.

Validated (anonymous profile)
January 7, 2013 at 3:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"loonpt" - What drug(s) are you now taking or have you taken?

whatsinsb (anonymous profile)
January 7, 2013 at 4:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If two adults agree to sexual relations in exchange for money, what do you good people care? How are you harmed?
Same thing with drugs. We just saw Madoff, Goldman-Sachs et al steal billions but nobody is suggesting banking be criminalized.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
January 7, 2013 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Even though there are three hots (actually only one now a days) and a cot, there is nothing nice about incarceration. Medical care has been referred to as medievel by federal inspectors, and in a lot of places they can shoot to kill. Crap is still crap even if its in a nice wrapped box.

AZ2SB (anonymous profile)
January 9, 2013 at 4:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey whatinsb, why do you ask, are you trying to develop a drug cocktail truth serum?

loonpt (anonymous profile)
January 22, 2013 at 3:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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