Flat Tax, Everyone?

Wednesday, January 23, 2013
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We need a flat tax now, the country is destroying itself with 49 percent paying nothing.

Ten percent is plenty, the more you make the more you pay.

No deductions; everyone pays the same?


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It's now 51% of eligible voters that pay no federal income tax. So why would the majority of people ever vote to pay anything when instead they can (and do) vote for the minority of people (like me) to pay for their benefits such as: earned income tax credits, college aid (which drives up tuition), healthcare for their adult children up to age 25, food stamps, WIC (75% of recipients have more than 1 child or are illegal immigrant parents), medi-cal and on and on and on. The answer: people like the majority of Santa Barbara Independent readers who (a) have no idea about basic economics/principles and (b) make themselves feel good by supporting all this and (c) don't pay much or anything in Federal income taxes.

willy88 (anonymous profile)
January 23, 2013 at 8:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Will never happen for a simple reason. Define "income"

Wages? Pension? Dividend? Interest? SSI? Veteran Benefits? Inheritance? Capitol Gains? Gambling Winnings? Social Security?

Which one/ones of those are income, and which are not?

Tigershark (anonymous profile)
January 23, 2013 at 10:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There's a reason CA has 1/8 of the country's population yet 1/3 of the country's welfare recipients. The entitlement constituency rules state politics.

Botany (anonymous profile)
January 23, 2013 at 11:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It seems Kevin O'Connor thinks the 49 percent actually "pays nothing." While they may not pay Federal income taxes, they do contribute payroll taxes.

"Tax Policy Center data show that only about 17 percent of households did not pay any federal income tax or payroll tax in 2009, despite the high unemployment and temporary tax cuts that marked that year In 2007, a more typical year, the figure was 14 percent. This percentage would be even lower if it reflected other federal taxes that households pay, including excise taxes on gasoline and other items."

"When all federal, state, and local taxes are taken into account, the bottom fifth of households pays about 16 percent of their incomes in taxes, on average. The second-poorest fifth pays about 21 percent"
----- Misconceptions and Realities About Who Pays Taxes

Chester_Arthur_Burnett (anonymous profile)
January 23, 2013 at 11:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How about the top 10% pay 90% to give straight to the 51% so the 10% can live the high life that they think the 51% are currently enjoying. Makes no sense, right¿

spacey (anonymous profile)
January 24, 2013 at 1:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Botany your figures are complete bs. The majority of welfare, food stamp and other recipients are in the red states that don't want to pay taxes. It's disingenuous to use California's higher population to skew your stat when the percentage points and the money are on the freeloader states that keep voting in nuts who act against their own interests.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
January 24, 2013 at 2:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Flat tax, such an old idea, worse than useless and of course completely insulting to that infamous "47%" whom Romney and O'Connor and dear old Botz think pay zilch and deserve zilch. Thank you to C A Burnett for some reality therapy.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
January 24, 2013 at 5:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

C'mon Ken - Even lefty websites admit the accuracy of that figure.

California DOES have 1/8 of the country's population and 1/3 of the country's welfare recipients.

Botany (anonymous profile)
January 24, 2013 at 6:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

CAB - The discussion was on federal income tax. If people want social security, shouldn't they have to pay for it too? And everyone pays sales and excise taxes on non-food purchases and gasoline purchases. Either social security is a tax or it's a benefit. I wish everyone would make up their mind.

Many complain because they say social security shouldn't be cut, then they point to the fact that low and middle income people actually have to pay for it.

Everyone should be included in the federal and state income tax systems. If less than half of the people have to pay those taxes, the other half won't have any issues on raising those taxes for the people that actually do pay them.

Botany (anonymous profile)
January 24, 2013 at 6:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Everyone is included in the income tax system. It just turns out that due to the tax credits instituted and expanded by Republicans for low-income families with children, such families get to be condemned by Republicans for taking advantage of those credits.

pk (anonymous profile)
January 27, 2013 at 3:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I wouldn't mind a flat tax--especially if Mitt Romney (paid 14% in taxable income) and I paid the same percent. (Hint: I make a lot less than he does but pay more percent of my income in taxes)

billclausen (anonymous profile)
January 27, 2013 at 3:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In Federal Income taxes you pay a higher percent? I doubt it. Payroll "taxes" aren't really taxes, are they? They go into the social security "lockbox". ;)

Botany (anonymous profile)
January 27, 2013 at 4:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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