Issues, Not Inmates

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Many locals were hoping that State Senator Hannah-Beth Jackson would be pursuing issues that actually affect our community: issues like gang violence and safety, the increasing homeless problem, the increasing liability of government employee pension liabilities on our city’s budget, improving the quality of teachers in our schools, and reducing “red-tape’ and onerous regulations for our many local business owners. But, no. She has chosen to focus upon prisoners. However, not on the early release of prisoners onto our streets, as one might suspect. Instead, she has chosen to become an advocate for the 20 women a year, on average over the last seven years, who have chosen (probably wisely) to have tubal ligations so they will not bring more unwanted children into their world, as Nick Welsh wrote in “Secretly Sterilized” in your July 18 issue.

These are woman in federal prison, some with mental instability, who have accepted the counsel of health professionals in prison and decided that maybe, given their lifestyle, it would be prudent for them not to have more children. No doubt they came to the conclusion that repeated lawbreaking and incarceration is no way to raise a child.

Here is hoping that Senator Jackson stops “grandstanding” and redirects her attention and considerable mental abilities to the issues that affect 99.9 percent of the population she represents.


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Let them sterilize you and we can make it a local issue, how's that grab ya?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 27, 2013 at 1:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My good Ken, let us be charitable and critically analyze her argument. I have done so here:

typo (anonymous profile)
July 27, 2013 at 8:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Golly, the world must be on some incorrect axis if I am actually agreeing with HB Jackson on something.
Of course HBJ will never take care of any of the other problems; for gawdsakes she's a limp wristed Progressive.
But taking a public stand against illegal and forced sterilization is bad? Wow!

italiansurg (anonymous profile)
July 28, 2013 at 7:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This letter shows the author's head is in the sand. Let them all out their selves. Maybe we need night school once a week for all adults on current events.

spacey (anonymous profile)
July 28, 2013 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is totally insane, but it looks like eugenics is a Brown family tradition.
I'm pretty sure Jackson voted to approve Jeffrey Beard, Jerry Brown's choice as a replacement for CDCR Secretary Matthew Cate, in spite of his extensive use of solitary confinement and refusal to allow some inmates newspapers, magazines, and photographs, a 1st amendment violation, according to Pennsylania Court of Appeals. His policy of using indefinite solitary confinement is torture, it's being imposed based on reports inmates aren't allowed to see, and some legal advocates are barred from seeing hunger-striking clients.The current situation, with one hunger striker dead, prison guards blasting cold air into cells and locking inmates who've been in solitary confinement indoors for years in outdoor exercise areas, causing severe sunburn, is another step toward Gitmo.

14noscams (anonymous profile)
July 28, 2013 at 9:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

With regards to the comical broad assertions on all of the other issues except sterilization without intent:

Gitmo is good.

That is not torture unless one of the countless idiotic actions from criminals or their apologists finally has merit. To date there is no action to support your superficial opinion.

Their 1st Amendment rights have not been violated. Same as above. You may hope and prey that the actions you described are not constitutional except the courts do not agree with you.

The hunger striker that died hung himself. This is not a hunger strike but a media stunt. Why don't you send these criminal some information on Bobby Sands and crew so they can understand what non low-lifes with conviction do in a real hunger strike.

You forgot to throw in RACIST.

italiansurg (anonymous profile)
July 29, 2013 at 8:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Case Name Banks v. Beard PC-PA-0025
Docket / Court 2:01-cv-01956-TFM-RCM ( W.D. Pa. )
State/Territory Pennsylvania
Case Type(s) Prison Conditions
On February 25, 2005, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit reversed the district court. Banks v. Beard, 399 F.3d 134 (3d Cir. 2005) (Circuit Judge Julio M. Fuentes). The panel’s 2-1 decision found that the blanket prohibition on secular publications and photographs could not be upheld,..

14noscams (anonymous profile)
July 29, 2013 at 2:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Recognizing (the death of eugenisist Charles Matthias Goethe) a “great loss to California and the nation,” Governor Edmund G. Brown eulogized: “This marvelous man dedicated most of the waking moments of his life to the betterment of mankind. The results of his efforts are evident throughout the length and breadth of this land.”

Assemblyman Art Torres, chairman of the Health Committee, spearheaded this political action. In a letter to Governor Edmund G. Brown urging him to sign the repeal.

Torres learned that California’s sterilization law was still on the books when, in the mid-1970s, several residents of his predominantly Latino Los Angeles district sued the Women’s Hospital at the University of Southern California/Los Angeles County General Hospital (hereinafter County Hospital) for nonconsensual sterilizations.80 The plaintiffs in this class-action suit, Madrigal v. Quilligan, were working-class Mexican-origin women who had been coerced into postpartum tubal ligations minutes or hours after delivering via cesarean sections.

14noscams (anonymous profile)
July 30, 2013 at 2:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

italiansurg: re Bradley Manning, July 30 Guardian. " excessively harsh treatment he endured at the Quantico marine base in Virginia between July 2010 and April 2011. He was kept on suicide watch for long stretches despite expert opinion from military psychiatrists who deemed him to be at low risk of self-harm, and at one point was forced to strip naked at night in conditions that the UN denounced as a form of torture."

14noscams (anonymous profile)
July 31, 2013 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Very simple: look at where Lib-Dems have primary control of legislation in states or cities for longer than 20 years continuously (like Chicago, Detroit and California) and you'll find at least 3 of the following list in full effect:
- Massive unfunded government pension and benefit problems.
- Low credit ratings
- Higher than national average unemployment
- Huge high school drop out rates
- Murder and other crime rates are high
- Gigantic, expensive social outcome experiments that always fail.
- Massive goverment union control
- Huge focus on things like tubal ligation instead of jobs, tax relief, making government efficient,

When you look at governments with Conservative Republicans primarily in control for the same time periods (or even shorter) like Indiana, Texas and Wisconsin, you'll find:
- School districts that can spend more on classrooms because out of control government union contracts are brought into line with normal wages and benefits allowing funds to flow to kids.
- Lower than average unemployment
- Higher per-capita income
- Smaller gaps between rich and poor, with many few poor people per unit of state GDP.
- School choice initiatives and lower drop out rates
- Smooth, paved roads, quality services, etc.

willy88 (anonymous profile)
July 31, 2013 at 11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

willy 88:
Food Stamp Use Higher in Republican States

Democrats Beat Republicans in 11 Out of Twelve Economic Indicators

History Shows Stocks, GDP Outperform Under Democrats

14noscams (anonymous profile)
August 6, 2013 at 7:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

thanks noscams for outing Willy so badly; Willy, respond to some of these websites which annihilate most of your erroneous points.
Just one angle I can speak to: the Detroit bankruptcy was due to many factors, and specifically the radical downsizing of the historic US auto industry (GM, Ford...). The public pension fund in Detroit was not in great shape but it was not in terrible shape, and t didn't play a very big role in the bankruptcy. The State or US will step in, legally and morally bound, to protect the already-retired workers' pensions.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
August 6, 2013 at 8:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) appeared on Fox News on Sunday, and when the discussion turned to a possible self-imposed budget crisis, the Virginia Republican said lawmakers should be "focused on trying to deal with the ultimate problem, which is this growing deficit."

What Cantor said was the opposite of the truth -- he said the nation has a "growing deficit," when in reality, we have a shrinking deficit. We can have a discussion about whether the House Majority Leader was deliberately trying to deceive the public -- Republicans have an incentive to convince the public that U.S. finances are in worse shape than they really are -- or whether Cantor simply doesn't know the basics of current events. But I'm afraid it's either one or the other."

Republicans says growing deficit, the facts say shrinking deficit. Why is there a need to lie?

tabatha (anonymous profile)
August 6, 2013 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tabatha, I think it's because they want to stoke fear in the minds of citizens...we're bankrupt, the Chinese are taking over, gangs, rogue nuclear states, global terrorism, earthquakes...oh my oh my... Chicken Little has nothing on these fear-mongers and demagogues who endanger the republic.
Thus, they need to exaggerate and lie, and they trick and mislead nice folks like Willy and Sue.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
August 6, 2013 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The fact that the deficit is NOT CURRENTLY growing desn't negate the fact (according to the CBO) that the deficit will be growing by 2015. Anyone quoting Rachel Maddow must be desparate for something to support their agenda. I'm not saying Cantor was correct at this point in time, but over the long term, will anybody here deny it?

Botany (anonymous profile)
August 6, 2013 at 11:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The number i pay attention to is the deficit as a percentage of GDP.

On your link Botany, you can see that number has plunged sharply...and even from 2015 on, if the CBO is correct, that number barely budges.

lawdy (anonymous profile)
August 6, 2013 at 12:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dearest 14noscams and DrDan -

These stats are the *result* of Dem administrations that the public finally gets fed up with and votes conservatives/Republicans into off to *fix*.

Line up all three stats against a timeline of who was in control for the 20 years prior and add a star when key social spending increase decisions were made and you'll be completely de-bunked and finally enlightened.

willy88 (anonymous profile)
August 6, 2013 at 3:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Once again from 14noscams and DrDan: the sound of silence - or is that crickets?

willy88 (anonymous profile)
August 15, 2013 at 12:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

14noscams provided 3 web refs, Willy, you offer nothing.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
August 15, 2013 at 2:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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