Murder on Santa Barbara Street

Early Reports Indicate Victim Was Transient

Wednesday, June 19, 2013
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An unidentified male in his fifties was stabbed multiple times and is dead, according to communications being circulated throughout City Hall by Police Chief Cam Sanchez and City Administrator Jim Armstrong. The man’s body was found in the 900 block of Santa Barbara Street between 11 p.m. and midnight on Tuesday.

Early reports indicate that the stabbing was not gang-related and that the victim may have been a transient.


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Great citizens killing the homeless.

Byrd (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 10:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Time to remove all street people. Not safe to live on the streets. They are not acting in their own best interests choosing to live on the streets. It is a choice. They need to make better choices. And if they can't, then the public guardian needs to step in and make choices for them.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 10:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I wonder be surprised if it was someone who shares Foo's philosophy, rabid wolves trying to "clean up" the town before Solistice, under a sheeps cloth of humanitarianism.
You can stuff that kinda Fascism where the sun don't shine and be happy we stopped there.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Right on, foofighter! Because we all know that the government is very adept at making the best choices for all its people.

I agree with K_V, it's that kind of fascist thinking that promotes hatred, intolerance, and vigilantism. You can have your police state.... No thanks!

Nockamixon (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 10:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

People making their own choices and living with the consequences is the best enforcer of all. The government is no substitute for personal choice; but it can enforce consequences when personal choices violate standards for public conduct established under the protection of due process and law.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I wonder if foo fighter's ever been a victim of a senseless crime. Maybe if he were we could lock up him and his kind for their safety too. I'm sure things would be much more peaceful around here!

BBOY (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have a small collection of NAZI daggers - would be willing to part with the perfect tool (if the price is right) for "removing" the homeless from the streets! (Careful trolls, this may be real info or it may be snarcasm - think carefully before reading ANYTHING into it.)

spiritwalker (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I disagree with Foo that most of these people are homeless by choice. The data show that most are homeless due to mental illness, debilitating health problems, and severe substance addiction. I do agree with Foo, however, that these unfortunate people need to be removed from the streets. They are a danger to themselves and to others, and they seriously lower the quality of life for everyone. Those who truly choose not to live in a house should be allowed that choice. But I would assert that these people make up a small minority of the homeless population.

banjo (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 11:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow foo.....that's some brainwashed rhetoric there. How many of us are one paycheck away from being on the street. Maybe we should remove all those people too as a preventative measure. That's a pretty slippery slope your walking on.

Maybe the "public guardian" should relocate you somewhere you would be more safe.

billd (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 11:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You might be on to something Ken everytime someone in Santa Barbara need someone to blame it's usually a hispanic person.

Byrd (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey, did anyone read the part about someone being stabbed to death? Who the *#@! cares whether they were homeless? Yet another person has been stabbed in SB and is now dead.

Let's focus a little more on the real problem here: STABBING.

sacjon (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 11:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If you are one paycheck away from homelessness, you do need to make better choices for yourself. It is no one's fault but your own. No slippery slope at all. Your straw dogs don't bite, billd.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 12:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Some people do probably deserve homelessness, Foofighter for example.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 12:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Personal responsibility for personal choices rattles some people's sensibilities. Interesting. Wonder why that is, when in fact personal responsibility and choice is liberating. Must go back and read "Escape from Freedom".

foofighter (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 1:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

They say serial killers usually start with the homeless for practice. This is the first homeless murder in along time usually they die from natural causes. Thats what they call it the Natural cause of being on the streets. I could see housing people that cannot take care of themselves but not in an institional setting. Although I believe this would just be the tip of the iceberg for those whom want to clean the streets of everyone but themselves. Soon they will be busing the poor to Bakersfield but I will fool them all and jump out in IV. Gloria was burned to death in a Santa Barbara junkyard November of 2011=Natural causes there are more. It's too bad but that is our wonderful Nude World Odor...

Byrd (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 1:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If you can tear yourself away from a screening of "Triumph of the Will" foo.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 2:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

While Foofighter is getting all the criticism for his/her comment I also think the use of the word "transient" is part of the problem. Many times people who have lived in S.B. their whole lives, or for a long time, are called "transient" simply because they are homeless. For a publication that considers itself progressive, they need to consider this labeling of people.

I won't even comment of Foo's post because I think Byrd and Ken have covered it well.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 3:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BC, I am not getting criticism for my comments. I am only getting a predictable string of ad hominum attacks, because no one is prepared to respond to the substance of what I posted.

Supervised living for those who cannot take care of themselves is called an "institutionalized" setting. Don't be put off by words and miss the point. But also identify the funding source when you present your own version of "supervised living".

The issue is conduct and the ability to set community standards for conduct in public places; not people. Please stay focused on the issue. Thank you.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 4:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lectures about responsibility from people who behave irresponsibly, or intentionally hateful. What was that about Syria again foo? Yeah substance, up your nose maybe.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 4:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All too happy to sit in judgement of others less fortunate but turn the tables and people run.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 4:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey, did anyone hear about the guy that was stabbed to death last night? Yeah, I was reading somewhere about how someone repeatedly stabbed him and he died.

sacjon (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 4:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's a description of the suspect, if you saw or heard anything.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

see, foo, you need the strings of ad hominem comments to help you visualize yourself. You demonize yourself, FOO, by writing about police jackboots whom I think you mean when writing "the public guardian needs to step in and make choices for them" [for the homeless].
And who would guard the Guardians, or select them? Would it you you, foo, and the 1%? Inane.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 5:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DD: Public guardians are already a part of our court system, and they operate within existing law.

They are appointed by the court to act as a surrogate for those who have been determined after proper court hearing, no longer able to take care of themselves.

You can read the CA Probate Code for more information regarding their appointment and proper safeguards for their client protection.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 6:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Foo-fighter: Sometimes fortunes can blow up in your face and your best laid plans go awry.

You get "laid off" from your job, and then your spouse gets cancer, and suddenly you have no insurance.

You've lived in S.B. all your life and suddenly you find yourself with a chronic illness, you lose your job because you can't work, you are older, have no family, and you're out on the streets and too sick to work.

You're 12 years old and your dad dies, and about a year later your mom hooks up with some loser who abuses and/or molests you, you leave home and hit the streets.

While some of your points are valid, the big picture is even bigger than many think.

Just a few of the scenarios that can happen real quick.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 6:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

@Foofighter - you are making a "choice" to flagrantly avoid engaging in actual conversation about a real problem, "choosing" hyperbole and rhetoric. "Choosing" to deride a group of people and to set up your personal soapbox on the back of a man who was stabbed to death and about whom we know next to nothing at this point.

What should your punishment be for your "choices" here?

Native1 (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 7:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We have social safety nets already in place in our society to take care of those extreme situations you portray, which are rare but do happen.

Vagrancy by choice is the far more common experience as we see in this town, and there is no reason this choice should be publicly financed or enabled by public action.

It is pointless to keep using one-size-fits-all descriptions of social need and social choices in this discussion.

If you have not learned to distinguish between where a proper social safety net extends in our society, and where it should not I am clearly in the wrong discussion. Point taken.

Need in our society will always be chronic. No one argues that., Bad things happen do good people and we have always responded in this country to this sort of need.

However, we have no need to respond to those who chose to abuse that generosity. Arguing false dichotomies leads no where. I am ready to move on to solutions to the problems at hand; not maintaing this dysfunctional status quo.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 10:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Do we hear a "P"?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2013 at 10:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

compared to some social democracies in developed nations, it is NOT TRUE, foo, when you write "We have social safety nets already in place in our society to take care of those extreme situations".

DrDan (anonymous profile)
June 20, 2013 at 6:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Anyone who feels they are being attacked by others during a discussion must be a teabagger, a teabagger that should be on medication.

Byrd (anonymous profile)
June 20, 2013 at 7:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Taxpayers offer the equivalent of $40,000 in food, housing and medical benefits as our social safety net either with state or federal aid; not counting the numbers of non-profits in our town who provide services on top of those basic government social safety net guarantees.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
June 20, 2013 at 8:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you Independent for using the term "transient", and not the meaningless term "homeless".

foofighter (anonymous profile)
June 20, 2013 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A female tourist was stabbed to death by 3 "Homeless/Transients/bums/panhandlers/alcoholic etc. on Hollywood Blvd. and Highland in BROAD daylight in a heavy traffic area. I'm sick of the constant feeling sorry for the majority of these folks who choose to be this way. Too many excuses for their behavior. This 27 yr. old woman is dead because she would not give them $$ when demanded and it got nasty and they killed her. This happened yesterday. Getting worse. Santa Barbara is actually becoming known for their BUM problem rather than the many positive things that are a result of hard working law biding citizens in SB. Liberals never seem to place blame where do. No matter how bad it gets. Can barely walk State St. without getting hassled anymore. A shame.

BacktoSanity (anonymous profile)
June 20, 2013 at 12:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Actually Santa Barbara is becoming known for two things:
(a) drunks
(b) shallow people

"Bums" are just a symptom of the overall decay trickling down from on top.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 20, 2013 at 12:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What kind of community elects to throw big parties for tourists but risks letting its neighborhood clinics close?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 20, 2013 at 12:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How does the "city" keep clinics open, if you don't raise city sales tax revenues?

foofighter (anonymous profile)
June 20, 2013 at 1:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

By not spending it on bs like Fiesta . Any more moronic questions?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 20, 2013 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In addition, sales tax revenue is nothing compared to the rvenue that leaves via outside corporate ownership of the businesses and the fact people can't afford to live in the vicinity of their jobs because some d-bag wants to have three homes in SB but live in the Cayman Islands.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 20, 2013 at 4:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

those are the d-bags who will pick up an extra condo at Alma Pueblo, yay.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
June 20, 2013 at 5:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Foofighter is a Transient.

Byrd (anonymous profile)
June 20, 2013 at 7:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Morally derelict for sure.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 20, 2013 at 11:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well Foo like I say, fortunes can turn around quickly.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
June 21, 2013 at 12:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

That is what I would love to see all these big mouths with money lose everything. If only for a second Panic setting in like a baby dropping it's rattle. That would be great!

Byrd (anonymous profile)
June 21, 2013 at 6:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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