Traffic Light Approved for Cliff Drive, Las Positas Intersection

Thursday, June 27, 2013
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A new traffic light was just approved to handle growing congestion at the intersection of Cliff Drive and Las Positas Road, but the state funding for the new signal won’t be available for at least two more years. In the meantime, city traffic engineers will continue to explore the costs — and funding options — for building a roundabout there instead. By all reckoning, a roundabout can handle the traffic load more efficiently than a traffic signal and cause far fewer greenhouse gases. But initial estimates suggest the roundabout will cost $1.1 million more than the $900,000 signal. Councilmember Grant House said other communities have managed to build comparably sized roundabouts for far less. Caltrans has committed to provide $750,000 of the money needed to install the new traffic signal. No money has been identified to date for a roundabout.


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There seemed to be no lack of monies when it came time to put red bricks as crosswalks down by the Harbor and all along Cabrillo Blvd. A roundabout is EXACTLY what's needed at the intersection. I was working and couldn't make it to the Board Meeting to express my thoughts.

sharpen123 (anonymous profile)
June 27, 2013 at 9:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I SO agree! A roundabout means many fewer cars stopped and waiting for the light to change. What a shame the city and its citizen chose to save money to do the wrong thing....

barbhirsch (anonymous profile)
June 28, 2013 at 2:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

A roundabout is more energy and time efficient.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 28, 2013 at 3:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Agreed. Anything other than a roundabout is pure nonsense. I couldn't understand why the Cliff westbound to Las Positas northbound "bypass" was eliminated. D.U.M.B. Dumb.

SezMe (anonymous profile)
July 1, 2013 at 2:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why is/was a disasterous signal even considered? Only a roundabout will work. What is the problem? (Rhetorical.)

Archie (anonymous profile)
July 1, 2013 at 8:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The Council should undo this impropitious decision. Trade the roundabout for wasteful bulbouts, bricks, and silly moves like turning benches on State Street.

drdan93109 (anonymous profile)
July 1, 2013 at 8:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I drive or cycle here often: roundabout is perfect.
Uh, as DrDan93101, I object to 93109's usage: "imprompitious" isn't a word in my dictionary, but the traffic light wouldn't be propitious.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
July 1, 2013 at 9:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"impropitious" is considered obsolete:

The roundabouts at Milpas, APS/Salinas, and Coast Village allow for pretty efficient traffic flow compared to what was there before.

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
July 1, 2013 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

my Random House tome, THE AMERICAN COLLEGE DICTIONARY, doesn't even list this term, and it came out in 1969, 44 years ago.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
July 1, 2013 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's have a roundabout / The pace will flow without a doubt / No need to spend that way / Yank the signal light it isn't right for getting in and out of Hendry's / In and around the wake / Circles come out of the sky / Make sense there . . .

Draxor (anonymous profile)
July 1, 2013 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why should it cost more to build a round-about than a freaking house!?!

Spend $300k on the round-about, get it built quick, end of story.

It should look more like the round-about at UCSB's front entrance and does not need to be as big as the one at Los Carneros and Calle Real.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
July 1, 2013 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why does it cost more to build a round-about than a house? Because CalTrans is involved!

discoboy (anonymous profile)
July 1, 2013 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Nearly all traffic at this intersection, my estimate 90-100%, is to and from 101. Roundabouts are great, but a YIELD TO CROSS TRAFFIC sign on Las Positas at Cliff would accomplish the same thing at negligible cost. Most vehicles approaching Cliff Drive on Las Positas would continue through the intersection with no stop, traffic flow would improve if the mandatory stop for nonexistent traffic were removed, and we'd even reduce pollution resulting from requiring cars to drive in a circle at this intersection. Driver stupidity will overcome any reasonable traffic engineering plan, so we can anticipate accidents regardless of a choice to maintain the status quo or adopt a new traffic control device. A traffic light is just stupid here.

14noscams (anonymous profile)
July 1, 2013 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

agreed traffic light wrong, but yellow "Yield" signs could slow down the folks coming down Cliff heading across to the county beach (Hendry's)...

DrDan (anonymous profile)
July 1, 2013 at 5:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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