That’s No Way to Change the World

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Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, perpetrators of the Boston marathon bombing may never have read The Way of the World.

The Way of the World is a play written by English playwright William Congreve. It premiered in 1700 in the theatre in Lincoln’s Inn Fields in London. It is widely regarded as one of the best Restoration comedies and is still occasionally performed.” It is a story filled with several of the “seven deadly sins”: greed, jealousy. lust, and deception.

The Tsarnaev brothers and perhaps other accomplices that may yet be uncovered lost their way. For in this world, acts of violence in the name of some misguided anarchy towards the state rarely bring the supposed change. In point of fact, they usually bring the opposite: more violence, more hate, and less tolerance. The “state” becomes even more wary and imposes its power and influence at an even higher level then before, Two young men turned to planting bombs at a public event in attempt to make a statement to the United States government. It was an exercise in futility.

The characters in The Way of the World portray in comedy the tragedy of human emotions run amok. Reason becomes paralyzed as desire and passion point due north for individuals who refuse to see the world for what it really is. For the bombers, their optic was colored perhaps by greed for not accomplishing as much as others around them, perhaps by jealousy that the world that offered so much to others seemed less then generous to them. Lust for seeking the ultimate male testosterone high by challenging authority. And, most sadly, deception, in fooling those in their family and those who befriended them, invested their trust in them as two rational and hard-working young men who valued human life.

The horrific tragedy, in the human lives lost and the bodies of countless maimed brutally by explosives, is in plain view. But what is somewhat hidden is the motive, for why the Tsarnev’s resorted to this extreme expression – and why incidents like the thousands that came before and God forbid those that will follow – continues to be incomprehensible even to terrorists who commit these atrocities. For what they see as a “cause,” a chance, albeit a long-shot chance, to harm the state, is remarkably off-base. This attack, no matter how well conceived or vicious, is against an abstraction that cannot feel pain or be eliminated with singular violence. It is, rather, humanity, which is very real, living, and breathing, that loves and is loved, that is defaced and destroyed. Of all the cruelties, one of the most cruel is to see a loved one injured or killed and know that their life was treated as expendable for a convoluted cause rather then held as a precious part of the planet we all live on.

They have not changed the way of the world. They have only worsened it, and confirmed that there are deeds committed in this world that will always end badly and in vain.


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I didn't even bother to read more than the first paragraph - the author of this "article" has already convicted both brothers of "perpetrating" the bombing. Normally, I might point out the numerous problems and anomalies with the "case" against the Tsarnaev brothers, like the fact that the brothers were NOT close at all (relationship) or that the younger brother wasn't even a TINY bit religious (or that there's video tape of the older brother being taken into custody [completely stripped naked) by police... right before they shot him to death, or that even though the younger Tsarnaev, although shot in the throat and both hands, has somehow made all sorts of "confessions" that were physically IMPOSSIBLE for him to have written or spoken, or that when he was found in the boat, the police shot him multiple times even though he had NO weapon of any kind), no, I promise not to waste ANY time and effort trying to inform someone who obviously gets all their info off the TV "news"!

spiritwalker (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2013 at 5:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I, on the other hand, am rather comfortable knowing that one of these moronic islamic idiots is dead and the other perp is in jail for good. Even E Holder can't screw this case up.

italiansurg (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2013 at 7:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Uh, you don't KNOW anything except what you THINK you saw on TV! (In other words, you know NOTHING, did you enjoy the show?)

spiritwalker (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2013 at 7:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ah, dear Marwood - What's Integrity to an Opportunity?

mr_helpful (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2013 at 7:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

whether the term "Islamic" fits or no, yeah, Italian, I'm also comfortable with knowing one of these vicious morons is dead and the other perp is in jail.
An interesting angle is how the elder, the leader, took on so many typical young American characteristics but after 6 - 8 years began to hate what he saw as "American" ways... more info on that might prove interesting

DrDan (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2013 at 8:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's the top 5 reasons why you 2 (and every other American brainwashed by TV and completely lacking in critical thinking skills) believe the Tsarnaev brothers are "Islamic" or "morons" or "terrorists" (or any of the other stupid crap you might believe!):

1) They have a funny name! (check)

2) They're from one of them Mooslim countries! (check)

(Actually, after hearing the above two reasons, most Americans, you 2 included, turn off ANY critical thinking skills and simply gulp the koolaid as pours out of the TV and straight down your/their throats. Get a clue! Question everything!)

spiritwalker (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2013 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

1) haven't owned a TV or over 20 years, never watch it;
2)Dagestan/Chechnya have very special histories, not all caught up in Islam, check, know that;
3)terms like "stupid crap", gulping koolaid, morons, get a clue!, brainwashed, etc. ad nauseum and your other vicious comments on other thread
= final response to you,
and trust me, every other reader on these threads just skips your malarky

DrDan (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2013 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And once again, you completely fail to address ANY of the really important facts I presented (and I really couldn't care less where your info actually comes from, it's PURE propaganda!) - instead you fixate on my use of certain "terms" - even to the point of attributing "moron" to me - this is the hallmark of a disinformation sock puppet. All I'm interested in is getting out the truth, who pays you to do this work?

spiritwalker (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2013 at 11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

We're busted DD; our typical disagreements have only been a cover for our stupidity with regards to world affairs and our actual unanimity on all things.Hey DD, how come you are getting remuneration for this and I only comment for free?
I stand by the Islamic moniker, feel free to attempt to factually discredit this assertion and I too am rather astute on the politics of their particularly dysfunctional region of the world.
Yep, I've lead a sheltered life; born and raised in Europe, came to America in my twenties and have lived in Asia, Scandinavia, and Mexico. I also spent a rather long period of time teaching surgeons from Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt, but spiritwalker probably has a broader world view than I do...

italiansurg (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2013 at 4:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

trust me, my comments are completely my own and zero remuneration received. Yeah, I've only lived 6 years abroad, Germany, Greece, Cyprus Island and Israel, many trips to India and Malaysia, Mexico, Italy, and more, so I'm a victim of propaganda like you, Italian.
I use the term "Islamic" as a mere descriptive term for the two Tsarnaevs...younger one Dzhokhar was not very extreme, unlike his domineering older brother. The Tsarnaev family had actually spent most of their lives in Kyrgyzstan, with only a brief stay in Dagestan (a Russian Republic that abuts Chechnya). The father, Anzor, disapproved of the older brother's swerve into stronger Islam about four years ago, and Dad left the country. The report, in detail [New York Rev Books June 6 2013, by Christian Caryl), makes the Ts. family seem unhappy, both parents in some legal issues, Tamerlan had no job and not much going on in his life. But he was supposed to be the big star.
There is plenty more. Read up on this, spiritwalker, try to do some self-education prior to braying your slurs all over these posts.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2013 at 5:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The government pays you Dr.Dan, don't deny it ;)

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2013 at 5:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Looking forward to spiritwalker's next post. Should be a hell of a rant.

lawdy (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2013 at 6:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Can we watch the four letter words Lawdy?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2013 at 6:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

here's one disinformation sock puppet, a government stooge, beaten-down, paid-off, slime-walkin' , postmodern victim...awaiting Godot in the form of rant rant walker rant.
and yes, Lawdy, your intemperate choice of words has injured my tender psyche and virgin eardrums.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2013 at 6:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dammit. My bad. I'll remember that.

lawdy (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2013 at 6:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Godard we await.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2013 at 6:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Poor spiritwalker appears to be unable to muster enough power of his eternal truth to answer back. Either that or he/she/it is still waiting for the library to open in order to use a free computer terminal...

italiansurg (anonymous profile)
May 22, 2013 at 7:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Couple of thoughts: Let the judicial process (hopefully untainted) do it's job; conviction should be in the courts, not the blogs. Two: Let's get out of the Middle East. No, that's not some Commie-Liberal concept, but the slave-owning puritanical George Washington said "beware of foreign entanglements".

billclausen (anonymous profile)
May 22, 2013 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Of course we'll let the courts decide. And then spiritwhatever can claim the fix is in after the conviction. And yea, the Middle East is a black hole for death, money, and everything sane and fair and we should never have gone in.

italiansurg (anonymous profile)
May 22, 2013 at 4:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What is truly scary, is how the spirit has entered the federal government and questions things for the sake of questioning. If you believe hard enough, maybe the force will be with you. Never mind the 24 hour surveillance cameras downtown. Conspiracies can be entertaining until they enter serious public discourse. Show us the video of the older brother being taken into custody naked right before they shoot him, and I'll never type another word.

spacey (anonymous profile)
May 23, 2013 at 1:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

redbunz (anonymous profile)
May 24, 2013 at 7:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

so, is that him? I see a blur. If that is him, why is he naked then killed? CNN reports, then covers it up? ends up on 'killuminati' youtube page? conspiracy? Do they walk among us?

spacey (anonymous profile)
May 24, 2013 at 1:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Whoever takes that video as evidence of some conspiracy that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was taken alive, forcibly stripped then shot is a moron to the billionth degree.
That video is an innocent bystander who was stopped during the search and subsequent video shows him released and there are even interviews with the guy. Like many millions, I watched it while it happened but I guess the "experts" here were too busy brainstorming conspiracy theories before anything as made public and now have to fit them into their suck fantasy.
Do not ever expect me or anyone here to take either one of you redbunz or spiritwalker seriously ever again after trying to palm off that bs on us as evidence.
Do you have no shame in exploiting people's tragedies to satisfy your own sick cloak and dagger fantasies/ Aren't there enough valid problems with the government and cover-ups we don't need imbeciles further muddying the waters to satisfy their own puerile agendas.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 24, 2013 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

riiiiiiiggghhht, just like the fbi asking the public for help when they had known about them for 5 years, just like the mayor saying the fbi had 'told him about a video showing them planting a bomb, but he hasnt seen it. you my friend are the one who shouldnt be taken seriously. these days anyone who questions the gov at all is called a conspiracy theorist, thats all it means, someone who questions the governments version. i guess lee harvey was the lone gunman too, right? i have seen no interview with that man, can you give a link? and of course you have to use that old chestnut about disrespecting the victims by asking questions, kind of like if you opposed the war in vietnam you were disrespecting the soldiers. dont bend over too far backwards to remain "mainstream". mainstream does not equal true.

redbunz (anonymous profile)
May 24, 2013 at 10:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Excellent points, redbunz! I've been here all along - reading comments posted by Volock, DrDan, italiansurg et al is like listening to a flock of magpies - a whole lot of noise and zero information!

If they aren't paid to dissemble, they should be - notice how they use just about every disinfo tactic known to mankind, but NEVER actually address or even provide ANY real information themselves?

At the very least they consider themselves "gatekeepers" - only they are intelligent enough to protect the unwashed masses from the "dangerous thoughts" of "wild conspiracy theorists"! (Please forgive me for not addressing all your posts, guys, but I think most people [redbunz for example] are able to recognize your twaddle for what it really is: Hot air & BS!)

spiritwalker (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2013 at 12:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I completely forgot to mention that my only interest in this story is getting the facts out - "truth" can be very elusive, and I certainly don't expect anyone to take my word for anything - to anyone interested, go to google images and search "nude tamerlan arrested by police". The pictures speak for themselves - the guy being arrested certainly looks like he might be a six foot three Olympic class boxer (what do you think odds are that the cops stripped searched some guy who just happens to look identical to the boxer Tamerlan?).

In the end, who're ya gonna believe, folks? Me, Volock, or your lying eyes?

spiritwalker (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2013 at 2:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How common is a 6'3", 20-something good looking, athletic, dark haired guy in a college town, hmm I dunno? I'm surrounded by them.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2013 at 2:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Even Al Jazeera had the same time line of that guy being stopped, stripped, questioned, and RELEASED. You should be happy you're wrong. Instead you PREFER the worst case. You prefer there be some grand conspiracy to make yourself better than everybody else.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2013 at 2:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's some more evidence for you spiritwalker: it's me, Italiansurg and DrDan having a secret meeting in the park.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2013 at 3:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ah, you're such a clown, Volock - I'm not going waste my time watching some stupid video without at least knowing the purpose, so why don't you just give us a synopsis of what you think we should believe after seeing it?

spiritwalker (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2013 at 5:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's another inconvenient fact for Volok to try to explain away: Go to google images and search "military operatives boston backpacks" - apparently, not only were the Boston police running a bomb "drill" at the Boston Marathon, there were all sorts of either private contractors (Blackwater types) or actual Navy SEALs running around with large backpacks and radiation detectors!

Again, who should the folks believe? Me, some blowhard "debunker", or their own lying eyes?

spiritwalker (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2013 at 5:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

still waiting on a link.....

redbunz (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2013 at 9:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

and i PREFER the truth, not some crap msnbc segment followed by an ad for lockheed martin or raytheon or the next suicide causing antidepressant.

redbunz (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2013 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

When you two come out from under your rock maybe you'll see the sun ain't so bad.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2013 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

didnt do so well in debate club did ya? ever heard of platos cave? try crawling out from your conditioning and basking in the light rationality and logic.

redbunz (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2013 at 12:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Try punctuation and grammar, didn't do so well in English did you? You and your buddy also seem especially visually and media illiterate but I guess that's easy when you can cowardly hide behind a pseudonym.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2013 at 12:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's a link
Less fuzz, more fun with science, drawings, and sharpness.
Guess those bunz are red hot bout now?
We all want the truth, govt shouldn't be trusted, but Alex Jones and the Joneses can never be trusted. Think about it, if the govt/police wanted a coverup, why would they march the guy out in front of CNN cameras. If you want truth, follow facts, not fuzzy videos that stop halfway down the trail for you to make a decision on. Facts don't rely on your decision. They just are.

spacey (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2013 at 2:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks for the linkage Spacey

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2013 at 2:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

no im not hot because that is totally NOT the guy! anyone looking at that picture would tell you that! the guy in that pic has reddish hair covering his ears. in addition to that you have not addressed ANY of my other points and resorted to ad hominem attacks. why do you automatically believe everything the government tells you when they have lied over and over again? they could be bbqing babies on the white house lawn and you would make excuses. i guess its just too scary for you little children, enjoy disneyland while you can. i could present to you irrefutable evidence and you would still obfuscate. this is pointless.

redbunz (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2013 at 9:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's get this conversation back on topic (or do you really think making an issue of trivialities like spelling and grammar are going to win this "debate"?).

Here are actual facts that are worthy of discussion:

1) Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was shot through both hands and the throat (it's alleged that an operation removed his larynx) and other than to nod or shake his head or perhaps make hand gestures, he was completely incapable of making ANY of the so called "confessions" he supposedly made before a federal magistrate FORCED the FBI to provide him a lawyer.

2) There's considerable evidence that the FBI and possibly the CIA had extensive contact with Tamerlan and that his trip to Russia may have been on the behalf of the CIA.

3) The nude man taken into custody was never discussed or even acknowledged by either the mainstream media, the FBI or Boston PD that I'm aware of - Tamerlan's mother and aunt have both identified him as the man in the video (and despite what ANY youtube video might say, MY eyes tell me that it IS Tamerlan Tsarnaev being arrested alive and well by the Boston police!)

I've been accused of "assuming" that I "know all the answers" - this simply isn't true, I've mostly asked questions and provided a few search terms - anyone interested can see for themselves that there ARE in fact numerous problems with the official narrative of 2 radical Muslim brothers making and setting off "pressure cooker" bombs at the Boston Marathon. (The 2 latest are that a "friend" of Tamerlan was shot to death immediately after he supposedly identified Tamerlan and himself as serial killers, and that 2 FBI Hostage Rescue Team members involved in the arrest of Dzhokhar supposedly "fell" out of a helicopter while training - not saying this PROVES anything, just that it adds to the overall weirdness of the case.)

spiritwalker (anonymous profile)
May 27, 2013 at 8:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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