Williams Education Bill Approved By State Assembly

Thursday, May 23, 2013
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Despite opposition from the chancellor’s office and most faculty groups including the Santa Barbara City College Academic Senate, Assemblymember Das Williams’s measure to allow community colleges to offer nonsubsidized extension courses during winter and summer sessions, AB 955, gained approval from the State Assembly on 5/20. The bill is aimed at increasing access to community colleges and helping students graduate or transfer in a timely manner. Check later this week for an interview with Williams.


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This is a wrong turn for community colleges to be taking.

If the community colleges can't afford to put on summer classes at community college reimbursement rates, then rent out their classroom space to CSU instructors who can teach lower division credit classes instead, for CSU tuition rates.

If Williams is behind it, there must be some CTA teacher union angle behind this. Community colleges should first last and always be the open door, low fee access to a better life and not become an institution open now only to the rich who can afford to pay for educational access only for their kids. This is so wrong.

Regrettable undermining the California Master Plan for Higher Education. Keep up the good work SBCC Academic Senate You are the remaining moral center for this college, now getting taken over by divisive partisan politics.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
May 23, 2013 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Raising tuition and compressing class time is not a solution that anybody who really cares about or knows anything about education would recommend. It's just corporate sausage style "educating". It's destroying our once mighty educational system, and our country. Down with corporatized schools.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 23, 2013 at 12:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Das Williams is the kind of Democrat machine politician Republicans love since he's in the pocket of the unions and...he knows well that many real educators [SBCC Acad. Senate & Chancellor's Office and most teachers] fear this opens teaching to private companies...
As I asked in an earlier thread, WHO LOBBIED YOU TO SUPPORT this bill which will profit private companies on the public's dime??
Further, you do NOT answer your emails to your office.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
May 23, 2013 at 1:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If DrDan says that, "wow" is all I gotta say. Williams appears to have embraced the neoliberal wing of the Democratic Party, sad. I can't and won't support advocates of such ideas despite what letter follows their name on the ballot.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 23, 2013 at 1:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The Chronicle of Higher Education has an article about this disastrous bill
It would set up a two-tier education system which Santa Monica City College tried and was shut down since it was unfair.
Who are your supporters on this monster, Das?

DrDan (anonymous profile)
May 23, 2013 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

this is actual wording in the bill:
"An extension program established under this
article may include any courses that are part of a course of study leading to a certificate, degree, or transfer to an institution that awards baccalaureate degrees."
ANY COURSES from any bogus online private company in Arizona or Timbuktu or...??? C'mon, this is rife for corruption!

DrDan (anonymous profile)
May 23, 2013 at 1:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Total sausage factory education: rote memorization, speed'em thru, a travesty. I would think anyone who claims to be for education would be ashamed to have their name associated with that bill.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 23, 2013 at 1:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

under Das' bill these intersession units will cost around $200 each rather than $46...charging in-state students out-of-state fees...isn't this a slippery slope? See

DrDan (anonymous profile)
May 23, 2013 at 1:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah bleeding them for more cash for less education. Vote them all out. $46 is already too much. Where's this money going? Not to the teachers or the classrooms. And def not to santitation given the flesh eating bacteria a friend of mine consistently gets from SBCC lockerrooms.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 23, 2013 at 1:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wealthy parents who want their kids to get extra credit before college benefit picking up summer units at SBCC with this two-tier system.

It is a dumb, special interest idea and corrupts the state's public education community college mission. As a low-income beneficiary of community colleges himself, Das should know better.

Something else is going on here. Follow the money. Teacher union members would like the extra summer cash, regardless of source or compromise of mission if the choice become no summer school versus higher fee summer school.

Academic Senates and teachers unions are two very different animals - be careful when you see any reference to "teachers" supporting this.

Are they full time tenured, part-time non-tenured adjuncts, teacher union members, or non-aligned academic faculty, credit or non-credit teachers. Each will bring a very different perspective to any discussion about how the education dollar gets spent.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
May 23, 2013 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Foo, look again. The teachers are also saying "no". Otherwise your comment is right on.
I don't know where you get this impression of teachers as craven individuals out to milk the system. It's way higher up.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 23, 2013 at 2:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Williams is a tool of the teachers unions. He has no history going against teacher union interests.

Read again the need to qualify who exactly is talking, when when the overly general term "teacher" is used. They wear many different hats and there is no one size fits all for that word, except that most do spend some time actually teaching in a classroom. But not all.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
May 23, 2013 at 4:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Can this explain why Teacher Union Tool Williams is going against "teachers" who oppose this bill?

Back to basics: K-12 and community colleges share the same pot of Prop 98 money going to schools, traditionally with a 90:10 split,

But for years K-12 has always gotten far more than its legal 90% share due to triggers and weasel clauses. So taking more Prop 98 money for community colleges to help them keep summer schools open, would mean automatically less money going to K-12 out of that same Prop 98 pot.

Therefore, Williams proposal to use other people's monies (rich students) to keep community college summer schools open means keeping K-12 "teachers" happy, even if he makes community college "teachers" unhappy at the same time.

See why qualification of the term "teachers" becomes critical in education discussions?

Sometimes running the numbers does not always mean dollars; sometime is means balancing numbers of affected union members instead. Far more K-12 teachers union members and their constituents to keep happy, when compared to community college teacher union members.

Das Williams does know how to count. Does this also mean there are turf wars in California public education? Well, duh.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
May 23, 2013 at 5:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

what a friggin' mess

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 23, 2013 at 5:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

When the focus is lost - educating students - and instead it becomes a teacher employment and benefits turf war, it is a friggin' mess. This is what teacher unions have done to public education. Sorry.

I want it to get back to giving students the best education possible, for the dollars currently on the table -the Prop 98 guarantee, fairly applied across the board. It is enough money and represents an important commitment by California residents to strongly support education in this state.

K-12 needs to learn to color within the lines.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
May 23, 2013 at 6:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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