Gregg Hart wins a seat on the Santa Barbara City Council

Paul Wellman

Gregg Hart wins a seat on the Santa Barbara City Council

2013 City Council Election Results

Hart Wins; Schneider Smacks Scoles; and Most Things Remain the Same

Originally published 8:30 p.m., November 5, 2013
Updated 6:00 a.m., November 6, 2013
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Three incumbents and one semi-incumbent handily won reelection Tuesday night in a race marked by notably low voter turnout. Before the election, Democrats controlled a four-seat majority on the nominally nonpartisan city council. With the election, that number stays the same.

Bendy White
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Bendy White

Mayor Helene Schneider — the political headliner — easily cakewalked her way into a second term, beating her sole opponent, Mesa neighborhood activist Wayne Scoles, by a whopping 73 to 26 percent. Schneider, widely believed to be setting her sights on higher office, raised more than $115,000; Scoles, by contrast, did not raise enough to trigger campaign reporting requirements.

In the race for the three council seats, incumbent Bendy White came in first, garnering 8,788 votes, or 18.2 percent. A political moderate and a longtime City Hall insider — not to mention one of three candidates to actually grow up in Santa Barbara — White secured 1,000 votes more than his closest rival despite what appeared to be a perilously laid-back campaigning style.

White, who often plays the role of council swing vote, compensated by drawing from a lifetime of friendships and connections that yielded him support from both sides of the aisle. By contrast, at least stylistically, candidate Gregg Hart — both a challenger and a former city councilmember — campaigned as if his life depended upon it.

Helene Schneider
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Helene Schneider

The first candidate to announce, Hart vowed at the campaign’s outset he’d work harder and raise more money than anyone else. Despite opposition from the mayor, the mayor’s campaign manager Jeremy Lindaman, and Montecito activists who took out a last-minute negative ad in The Santa Barbara Independent and Santa Barbara News-Press blasting Hart for multiple conflicts of interests, Hart made good on his boast, winning 7,746 votes. On Election Day alone, his campaign made 17,000 phone calls reminding voters to turn in their ballots. And Hart set a new campaign fundraising record, generating over $120,000 in campaign donations.

On Election Night, a beaming Hart couldn’t shake enough hands, thank enough supporters, or find enough people to hug. “Why is this man smiling?” Hart asked, speaking of himself, while addressing a crowded room full of spirited Democratic Party activists celebrating at the Arch Rock Fish restaurant. The question was a playful riff on the hit piece headline.

David Landecker
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David Landecker

Hart served two council terms before — the last one expiring in 2003 — making him only the second former councilmember to wage a successful comeback. The race was a ho-hummer with no obvious issues or clearly delineated slates of candidates; to the extent there were dramatic tensions, they lay between Hart and Mayor Schneider, who endorsed former councilmember David Landecker rather than Hart, who was backed by the Democratic Party. Both Hart and Schneider have repeatedly said they’ll be able to work with each other, but Schneider’s relations with the Democratic Party establishment, already strained, may emerge worse for the wear after this race. (Emblematic of the divide, Schneider held her victory party — along with White and Landecker — at the Casa Blanca restaurant, while the Democratic Party held its at Arch Rock Fish.)

Coming in third was incumbent Frank Hotchkiss, a former member of the Republican Central Committee and one of the council’s more outspoken conservatives. Hotchkiss was somewhat hobbled during the campaign by a pelvic injury sustained when the horse he was riding at Fiesta bucked him. But for conservatives, Hotchkiss was the clearest of choices, and his 6,522 votes were more than ample to land him a second term.

Cathy Murillo and Gregg Hart
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Cathy Murillo and Gregg Hart

Placing fourth — trailing Hotchkiss by nearly 1,000 votes — was Landecker, who was followed closely by first-time candidate Lesley Wiscomb, a decline-to-state backed largely by slow-growthers and Republicans. Close on Wiscomb’s heels was Megan Diaz Alley, a first-time candidate, and by far the most outspokenly progressive candidate running; breathing down Alley’s neck was Jason Nelson — the hard-charging newcomer whose 10 months of service in Afghanistan featured prominently in his campaign. Trailing behind Nelson was planning commissioner and decline-to-state moderate Michael Jordan — with 1,705 votes — who got a slow start on fundraising and never made up the difference.

Bringing up the rear were two nontraditional candidates who use the campaign trail to raise issues but never the funds needed to be competitive: Cruzito Cruz with 1,202 and Matthew Hunter Kramer with 575. With no clear issues or ballot measures to generate much heat, turnout for the city’s third mail-in election was low, with just 37.9 percent of the eligible voters turning in their ballots.


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Looking at the precinct maps one can only conclude voters were deluded by the image of Bendy White, mainly because he looks like a solid conservative businessman but in fact is a raving, do-nothing progressive.

Voters got the government they deserved with this election. Looking good on that Police Officers Association (union) flyer, Bendy. Now stand and deliver everything the unions wanted from you.

And voters thought they were getting someone tough on crime, vagrants and gangs when they looked at that cool-eyed steely fox staring out on them from the union flyer.

Ooops, that didn't work that way after all. Now it will be fewer cops on the streets, but paid a heck of a lot more while gangs and vagrants can come out from hiding now too.

Hart I suspect if one listened to political rumors is just going to warm the seat before he can pounce on Lois Capps Congressional slot when that opens up, if not beat to it by Helene Schneider. In other words, two more years of this city council kicking the can down the road …. again.

While not personally directly affected by the $200 million unfunded city pension liability past progressive city councils racked up, the city as a whole will suffer as more present dollars need to be diverted to pay for past employee services.

This leave a heck of a lot less left over for the rest of the city right now. But promises are promises, and the pension promises run by prior city councils have now come due. Pay up, city of Santa Barbara.

Wiscomb made a solid showing for a new-comer to local politics. Council could have benefited from her strong finance background. So the only wild card remaining is how many of those elected tonight will still be around at the end of their next four year terms, or will have moved on or up, because their first interest was not really the City of Santa Barbara after all. (Das Williams, all over again)

Will Bendy actually become the conservative business-minded council member people thought they were getting, now that he no longer faces re-election? Who knows what he plans to do with his left-over war chest. Ineffectual has worked for the mayors slot in the past, so he may have a political future as mayor after all.

I think SB voters voted for a slew of musical chairs on this city council. I am sorry to see it did not shift back to independent civic engagement folks, with full focus on the mountains of critical issues this city continues to face, ironically caused by far too many years of misguided progressive governance. So tonight, we got more of the same.

Now I shall go dine on my fine supper of crow. And mourn for this once fine city at the same time. Any bets when SEIU swoops in with the first move to harvest any new city revenues for themselves? They bought the votes with their efforts in this race; pay for play time now begins.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
November 5, 2013 at 10:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Crazy much?

demkid (anonymous profile)
November 5, 2013 at 10:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

foofighter you're just going to have to accept that you live in a town where most people identify left of center..

Personally I feel a lot safer with less cops because police officers are really intense and they carry around deadly weapons and bully people. A lot of people feel that way. I've lived here for 13 years and the entire notion of crime is almost completely foreign to me because there just isn't very much of it around here compared to the relatively unhealthy society that we live in, so it's not something I concern myself with too much.

And just curious, as long as we are going to have a 'progressive' congressional rep here anyway, do you not think that Helene Schneider might be a refreshing change from Capps? Is Capps planning on dropping out soon or something?

loonpt (anonymous profile)
November 5, 2013 at 10:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Predictably, Landecker and Alley split the progressive/environmentalist vote ... really bad strategy, and they should both be embarrassed. Stop putting ego first, agree not to split votes, only one runs ... even if it takes flipping a coin.

JayB (anonymous profile)
November 5, 2013 at 10:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"I suspect if one listened to political rumors"

In other words, that's precisely what you do, channeled apparently via a hefty amount of tin foil.

JayB (anonymous profile)
November 5, 2013 at 10:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah, and if Cushman didn't run last time, Francisco would be mayor now.

Botany (anonymous profile)
November 5, 2013 at 10:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The votes aren't even near half tallied as of this writing.
and people are already bitter.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
November 5, 2013 at 10:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That's kinda crazy to assume a person who would support Cushman would support Francisco. You could easily say Schneider took votes from Cushman or the other way around. there is a night and day difference between Mr. Cushman and Francisco.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
November 5, 2013 at 11:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I also don't think it's very kosher to criticize someone for the mere act of running for office.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
November 5, 2013 at 11:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bendy cleaned up. He was the only candidate able to pull 20% of votes from a precinct, and he did that in 4 of them.

Hart, Hotchkiss, and White were able to pull more than 10% from every precinct in the city.

Wiscomb and Nelson stumbled in the Westside and Downtown precincts. Alley did well in those precincts but had weaker numbers on the Mesa and in San Roque.

Had the powers that be backing Nelson/Wiscomb and Alley/Landecker coordinated their efforts to put only one candidate up, the balance of power resulting from this election could have shifted from the way it turned out.

The Las Positas valley and San Roque had the largest voter turnouts while the beachfront and the Westside below City College had the lowest turnout.

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 1:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The more the merrier I say, but I get everyone's point. It's one thing to make an observation but another to blame Ralph Nader for Bush i.e.

If this is the final outcome it pretty much reflects SB, lotsa white guys in suits and a woman cracking the whip.

Congratulations to all the winners and to the runner ups, good luck in your next chapter.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 1:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It's 6:06 a.m. as I read this and I just saw on KSBY that Bendy White, Gregg Hart, and (drum roll please) "Cruzito Hotchkiss" round out the top three vote getters.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 6:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ditto EB, too bad the Demos couldn't figure out whether they supported Alley, my candidate, or Landecker, a good guy but finished in this strange town. KV has it right with lotsa white guys in suits: too bad the "old" Demo establishment had to support another such fellow and ignore Alley. Their dithering let 'ol Frank slip in again.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 6:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Landecker and Wiscomb are running fourth and fifth respectively. Schneider leads Scoles by about a 1000 votes. This information courtesy of KSBY.

"Cruzito Hotchkiss"...what can I say?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 6:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah, we needed more women. Wiscomb would have been a perfect choice instead of the white guy Hart.

Botany (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 6:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Interview with Schneider in the NewsPress shows she gets it: city has troubling fiscal concerns that have not gone away and no clear plan has emerged while the city dithered on other issues.

Interview with White was much more troubling as he admitted he has been clueless about " city budget" things and sat on his hands the first term. One can only hope, he will try to learn more about the city's precarious fiscal underpinnings before he hands over money blindly to his city employee union supporters.

Here is your homework list, White:

1. Fund the $ 400 million growing ongoing liabilities this city now faces in both city employee pensions and city infrastructure back log
2. SB airport is not meeting its revenue projections that justified its new construction.
3. Downtown retail is suffering due to vagrants and concentration of too many city low income housing schemes that don't provide the necessary discretionary spending that generates city retail sales taxes
4. Anti-car campaign undermines any city auto-mall retail sales tax sales too.
5. Cruise ships and oil as new revenue producers are both vehemently attacked by the environmental contingents that put you in office.
6. 80% of city revenues goes out for personnel costs and they are now poised to demand further budget busting raises, perks, benefits and continue with an exceptionally high number of paid days off.
7. The looming drought will wreak havoc on everything so don't give away th store to more employee promises and leave the rest of the city literally and figuratively high and dry.

The city employee unions are soon going to come calling, Bendy. They want pay-back time from you now. What are you going to tell them. What are you going to do when they claim their "morale is bad" unless you give them a raise.

I hope there is a City Finances for Dummies book you can speed-read over the holidays, so you know what you need to do with your second term so graciously bestowed upon you by equally finance-blind city voters. Your legacy, White. Make the most of it. Or else the sea of red ink will clearly have your name on it now too.

You have some fiscally sound fellow council members like Francisco, Hotchkiss and Rowse who get it along with Mayor Schneider.

Choose your city council alliances well and get us out of this mess which has been the result of too many years of prior progressive councils give-aways, and too many years of misguided social engineering that may well have sickened our local economy permanently.

Gregg Hart, I hope you do a Jerry Brown and try to clean up the messes you left the city with the first time you were in office.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 7:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good job, Gregg. Refreshing to see that the underhanded, desperate attempts to derail your campaign backfired, despite the tens of 1000's pours into the effort. Not sure why the Mayor was so intent on keeping you off, but glad your voice of reason and intelligence will be back.

whosecityisthis2012 (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 7:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you Gregg Hart for giving us massive city unfunded liabilities, streets full of vagrants, degraded downtown retail, RV squatters on our streets, gangs stabbings and death now on a monthly basis and failing city revenues the last time you graced city hall.

What can we expect from you this time? I hear we can expect you to be a short-time bench warmer as you ready yourself for a run once Lois Capps leaves her seat. Will you pay attention to the city's pressing needs; or your own?

foofighter (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 7:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You can stop being coy, whosecityisthis2012.

You know the buzz as well as the rest of us have also heard. Schneider wants to run for Lois Capps seat too alone with Hart, so now we will have a political slug fest between Hart and Schneider instead of a city council that need to get the city's critical work done.

I know Schneider will show some class and stick to the job at hand; but I have grave misgivings about Hart who right now is trying to grab everything for himself.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 8:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh foo. That "class" train left the station long ago.....When the Mayor aligned herself with a certain "consultant". Council member Hart, however, has always been gracious, honest and collaborative and he ran a clean campaign- no need for stealth attackers. So onward!

whosecityisthis2012 (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 8:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The disgrace is the voter turnout.

How can you have a Democracy when only 32% vote.

The vote was by mail, didn't even have to get off the couch.

howgreenwasmyvalley (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 8:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Vote by mail (only) is proving to be a detriment, sadly. Driving by polling place signs before and after work always serves as encouragement, when poll voting is an option.

whosecityisthis2012 (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 9:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Congratulations Bendy White! You're a good man.

local (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 9:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Voter turnout for the past few city council elections:

2013 ... 37.9%
2011 ... 41.2%
2009 ... 49.6%

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To Landecker:

Now will you finally accept that you are a has-been loser in this town? No one likes ethically crippled egomaniacs, David. Santa Barbara City Council is not a place for convicted thieves and trespassers and vandals. If you had any class you would slink out of town and join a monastery: you have nothing to offer this society.

RyanOSorress (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The big loser in this was Murillo who promoted Alley as though she were her clone. Interesting picture featuring a sad-looking, beaten David Landecker and the other David, Pritchett, mourning, probably his candidate's failure. Hart is no way similar to Grant House, except that both are Democrats.

Congrats to all three winners.

at_large (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So that's who paid for that negative ad.

I respect her skill as Mayor, but it's disappointing to see Schneider surrounding herself by people like that.

@DrDan ... had Schneider and her Montecito-based pro-left-hand ramp backers (including her campaign manager) not pulled Landecker into the race, Alley might be #3 instead of Hotchkiss.

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I wouldn't say Alley, Landecker, Nelson, or Wiscomb are "losers". All four pulled pretty similar numbers, just from different precincts.

Murillo's strength has been in the Westside and Downtown precincts and that's exactly where Alley did her best. Precincts on the East side of town are less homogeneous so are usually won by candidates with broader appeal (in my opinion). In fact, the precinct I live in looks like it's been gerrymandered.

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 10:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

After all the noise, no surprises. I called the result the minute the candidates were announced.

sbreader (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 10:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

That Scoles pulles in over 1/4 of the mayoral votes for a few thousand dollars to Schnieders' $114,000 should be considered a wake up call for Miss Mayor.

garfish (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 11:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The only losers are those who didn't participate.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 11:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How does one of the highest money generating (local) races have "no obvious issues"
That's got to be the questions everyone should be asking this morning!.

touristunfriendly (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 11:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Foo,

The top money raisers won, except for Landecker who won't recover from his shoplifting incident.

I've refined my winners picks formula. The top fundraisers win but if you are an incumbent you get an extra boost. That's what pushed Hotchkiss past Wiscomb.

The reason money wins elections is the same reason parents buy Oreo's and Frosted Flakes for their kids.

Advertising works!!

You're basically selling a product, and advertising your product makes people feel safer with that product.

Georgy (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 3:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

agree HowGreen about the disgustingly low turnout! Agree, EB: if Schneider and her Montecito 101 deep-pocket allies hadn't pushed old white guy Landecker in (and misleading him into thinking he had a chance) then we might have two progressive gals on Council. The Demos are totally disorganized and feeling more and more mixed-up. And sure, Schneider is positioning herself (her illogical support of the left-hand ramps) to get the money support for a Congressional run. Now, we have Hart vs. Schneider on the Council.
Madam Mayor: how about you go back to your thoughtful 4-point reform program of Sept. 2012??

DrDan (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 3:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I hope the city learned something from this once again low turnout election. Let's get back to the way elections are supposed to be run in America -- neighborhood polling places, local precinct workers who know their neighbors watching the polls, the ability to insert your own ballot into the ballot box, an election official making sure the person voting is actually the registered voter, etc. This kind of vote by mail may save the city a little money -- but what price do the voters pay? City officials receiving ballots directly, city officials are able to check the voters name and ballot number on the envelope as well as inked bubbles on the ballot inside and thus being able to discern who voted for whom (so much for secret ballots), etc. I'm certain this was another bright idea from our ego-maniacal city administrator -- who incidentally, almost all city employees work for (hmmmm?).

And then there's the election results themselves! Surprise, surprise -- no real change, no new faces, no new ideas, just more same ol', same ol'! Somebody on here referred to Bendy White as a "raving do-nothing". Wrong! He is not a raving anything -- he doesn't have an original thought to rave about! But, he is the epitome of a "do nothing" -- a timid, whining political empty suit.

And Hotchkiss? Well, what can I say? Frank is, by far, the least qualified and dimmest bulb on the dais and basically does what Francisco and Rowse tell him to do. I wonder if he ever played "The Shadow" when he was a D-List actor eons ago?

And Hart, like so many politicos, has no concept of what a conflict of interest really is. As a paid PR guy for the Santa Barbara County Association of Governments (SBCAG), he thinks there's no conflict to also be one of the leaders of a SBCAG member city. Me thinks he's got no other job or source of income and needs to hang on to that income. The other cities ought to raise a big stink over that one. Ya really think he'll be impartial? (Ever hear of a bridge for sale in a New York City suburb?)

Now, that leaves us Helene -- the darling of the extreme left in this city who likes to act like the mayor actually runs this city -- what d'ya say about that, Armstrong? If she runs for Lois's seat sometime in the next few years, if elected she will get run over by the Washington political bull-dozers faster than she can even call for a blue tsunami-line around Washington DC in case the Potomac unleashes a tidal wave. Unless she has someone at her elbow telling her that to do, how to vote, what to way -- she'll be worse than Lois in Congress.

Well, the voters got what they deserved -- only slightly over 15% of the voters even bothered to vote! This election was a real tragedy!

scoop9324 (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 5:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree, bring back the neighborhood polling places. It encourages both participation and community.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 5:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree also about the neighborhood polling places. Having worked at some of them for quite a few years, I recall how important it was to some to show up and vote. (People still could vote by mail but a surprising number just liked going to 'their' polling place.) I hope there's an analysis provided of how much money this by mail election saved --- and is it worth it when the numbers are so down. Otoh, 3000 voted on the last day so maybe the idea of vote by mail just needs a little more time.

DrDan: Landecker has been saying to just about everyone for years how much he wanted to run for Council --- he wasn't pushed at all to run by either Blum or Schneider, both of whom he credits with encouraging him. And probably both of whom got tired of hearing him speak of it. As for Hart v. Schneider, you don't give her enough credit — she'll work very smoothly with him. He's a rather middle-of-the-road Democrat, as Murillo will figure out quickly enough, one not wanting to antagonize those who might help him with his next step. If it's Capps's seat, it is not likely he could beat Carbajal.

Seems to me the Dems should be pretty pleased with themselves, not mixed up at all: two of three got elected last night with a Dem. mayor. To win the third seat, they would have done better to run someone who knew rather more about city policies and issues than the newcomer one they chose. Two years from now is not that far off: Dale Francisco will be termed out and Randy Rowse will be up for re-election, as will Cathy.

at_large (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 7:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Make voting fun again, not some dull bureaucratic exercise that gets set aside with the rest of the mail.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 8:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Randy Rowse is so cool in touch with The People that he should easily be reelected and get a total of nine consecutive years on city council regardless of that the law requires under the city charter.

John_Adams (anonymous profile)
November 6, 2013 at 9:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gregg Hart photo caption: "Gotcha!"

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
November 7, 2013 at 6:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Not one of these candidates ever tried to reach out to black voters.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
November 7, 2013 at 6:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Here are the final final results.

Alley beat Wiscomb and Nelson, and Landecker clearly split the Democratic voting base to assure that Hotchkiss beat everyone.

John_Adams (anonymous profile)
November 7, 2013 at 6:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

East Beach: Can you explain how it's possible for a precinct to be gerrymandered in a City Council race?

The only way for an individual precinct to be gerrymandered is when it borders another political district (such as congressional district borders) where it becomes more than just a precinct. In an at large Council race that is impossible as the outside precinct border is the city limit, which is not something that changes and has no adjacent district with which to gerrymander. If SB ever went to district elections, the lines would be re-drawn with new precincts and only then would there be a possibility of gerrymandering an SB city precinct.

Bajades (anonymous profile)
November 7, 2013 at 7:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Relax Bajades. I know exactly what gerrymandering is.

Re-read my post and you'll see I was using the word to describe the shape of the precinct (i.e. "looks" like it was gerrymandered" not "is gerrymandered").

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
November 7, 2013 at 9:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Trivia factoid: "gerrymander" is a smashup between the name of former Massachusetts Governor Eldridge Gerry and the word salamander (one of the districts was shaped like the reptile).

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
November 7, 2013 at 9:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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