<b>NAME AMONG NAMES: </b> Police made special note of the recent arrest of Raymond Macias (mug shot pictured above center), a defendant on the city’s proposed gang-injunction list and the former Eastside program coordinator for La Palabra, ​a nonprofit working with at-risk youth.  (Nov. 20, 2013)

Paul Wellman

NAME AMONG NAMES: Police made special note of the recent arrest of Raymond Macias (mug shot pictured above center), a defendant on the city’s proposed gang-injunction list and the former Eastside program coordinator for La Palabra, ​a nonprofit working with at-risk youth. (Nov. 20, 2013)

Is the Mexican Mafia Making Moves in Santa Barbara?

Police Net Dozens of Arrests and Charges During Operation Falling Dawn

Wednesday, November 20, 2013
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Police Chief Cam Sanchez announced Wednesday morning that a massive year-and-a-half-long crackdown on gang violence in Santa Barbara ​— ​dubbed Operation Falling Dawn and carried out in conjunction with the FBI, Drug Enforcement Administration, and various state and local agencies ​— ​has resulted in arrests of or charges against 68 people. He also spoke of a likely connection between Santa Barbara gang activity and the nefarious reach of the Mexican Mafia, a highly organized, prison-based syndicate that deals in drugs, guns, gambling, and other criminal enterprises.

Chief Cam Sanchez explains how both perpetrators and victims tend to be gang members or associates (Nov 20, 2013)
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Paul Wellman

Chief Cam Sanchez explains how both perpetrators and victims tend to be gang members or associates (Nov 20, 2013)

The ongoing suppression effort, named because it signifies “the end of a beginning,” said Santa Barbara Police Department spokesperson Sgt. Riley Harwood, started in July 2012 in response to the escalation of serious violent crime in town. “There was a new status quo that was developing,” Harwood explained. “We have a problem, despite what some may say,” Sanchez asserted. “We’re not talking about stealing vehicles; we’re talking about crimes against people.”

Sanchez and Harwood pointed to a string of stabbings and assaults ​— ​including seven attempted murders since last February ​— ​as evidence of a shift toward a more vicious disposition among area gang members. They also noted the shooting death of Ventura gang member Kelly Hunt in February. And while police have stated that overall gang activity has decreased in recent months ​— ​a fact much touted by Sanchez during some of his briefings to the City Council ​— ​the severity of the cases has ratcheted up.

The Mexican Mafia ​— ​also known as La Eme, Spanish for the letter “M” ​— ​appears to have largely stayed out of Santa Barbara gang business in recent years, but for reasons not publicly disclosed is now better coordinating with Eastside and Westside gang members. It’s not clear if La Eme has been here all along and just started pulling strings, or if there’s been a concerted effort within the outfit to reach its tentacles deeper into the South Coast crime scene. Sanchez said it would be premature to comment further on the connection, citing ongoing investigations and court cases.

Of the 68 individuals implicated in Operation Falling Dawn, four are named in the city’s proposed gang injunction: Raymond Macias, Christian Botella, Edgar Cordova, and Marcial Garcia. Six of the suspects are juveniles, and 18 are women. All are either gang members themselves, associates, or customers. “You’re going to find moms and dads and sons and daughters involved in crime together,” Sanchez said. “It’s amazing to me.” During their raids and sweeps, detectives seized $72,000 in drug sale proceeds, 12 firearms, 8.5 ounces of heroin, two pounds one ounce of meth, 13.5 ounces of cocaine, plus five ounces of processed marijuana and multiple plants. None of the arrests have resulted in convictions as many of the cases are just starting to work their way through the court system.

Sgt. Riley Harwood points to a chart depicting the spike in gang violence.
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Paul Wellman

Sgt. Riley Harwood points to a chart depicting the spike in gang violence.

During Wednesday’s press conference, held in front of a wall plastered with mug shots and a table full of guns and drugs, Sanchez said it’s hard to explain the timing behind the rise in violence. “It’s a great question, but I don’t have a great answer,” he said. Sanchez said the decision to make the public announcement now, a few months before the city’s proposed gang injunction is presented in court, had no connection with the legal filing or its status. “This has nothing to do with the gang injunction,” he said. Later, Harwood explained that while Operation Falling Dawn is mainly indicative of “reactive” police work, a gang injunction would allow the department to engage in more “proactive” approaches.

Sanchez spoke of the hard work and long hours the department put into the operation. “We’ve accomplished a lot,” he said. “And we want to assure the community that the Santa Barbara Police Department will go to all lengths to keep the city safe.” Nevertheless, Sanchez went on, more needs to be done. He explained new suppression efforts are currently taking place, with additional crackdowns on the way. “Even in paradise we have issues,” he said, pointing to the wall of photos. “And that is perfect proof.”


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So anti-gang injunction crowd, what do we do with these clearly dangerous people in our midst. I say everything possible to put them in prison where they can hang out all they want with La Eme.

sbreader (anonymous profile)
November 20, 2013 at 5:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Santa Barbara is not paradise. Time to stop calling it that.

It has become a very gritty city in the past few years, when you look past its immediate but very limited superficial gloss of State Street and the waterfront.

High-income neighbors Montecito and Hope Ranch give Santa Barbara its internationally known chic branding ; but those wealthy neighbors in the county of Santa Barbara contribute little to the city of Santa Barbara's ongoing needs.

Paradise is Hope Ranch and Montecito. Santa Barbara is but their dumping grounds. Yet, the city carries the reputation for being a wealthy enclave, when only a few blocks from State Street is in fact rank blight and crime.

Good work SBPD. Don't rest until you eradicate every one of those criminal punks from our midst.

It is no secret this town is riddled with gang crime. Take that trip a few blocks away from State Street and the world can see there is a vast underside to our city. Don't let anyone make you cover this fact up.

Vagrants feed off gang crime drug sales. Clean up gangs, and you clean up both. We get what you are doing, and keep it up.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
November 20, 2013 at 6:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

First they came for the Mexicans, and I did not speak out because I was not a Mexican.

Then they came for the gun owners, and I did not speak out because I was not a gun owner.

Then they came for the Tea Party, and I did not speak out— because I was not Tea Party.

Then they came for the Progressives, and I did not speak out because I was not a progressive.

Then they came for me—
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
November 20, 2013 at 6:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)


Black-Clad Einsatzgruppen Confiscate Guns in California

Einsatzgruppen are special paramilitary task forces, the most notorious of which were the death squads deployed by Germany’s National Socialist regime.
"The State of California’s Armed Prohibited Persons System (APPS) has created an einsatzgruppe dedicated exclusively to gun confiscation. Using gun registration lists, the APPS stormtroopers, “arriving in SUVs and dressed in black tactical uniforms … regularly sweep through California cities” to seize firearms from people the state has designated “prohibited persons,” reports the Fresno Bee. A criminal conviction is not necessary for enrollment on the civilian disarmament register; all that is necessary is an official finding by the state’s Welfare bureaucracy that the gun owner is “a danger to himself or others.”

The searches are conducted without warrants — unless the targeted individuals refuse to cooperate, in which case the raiders will “seek a warrant and lock down the house until they get results.” California Governor Jerry Brown recently signed a bill that will use a $24 million surplus from firearms purchase fees to hire 36 new jackboots for the squad.

So far, California is the only state to deploy a dedicated gun confiscation team — but it isn’t the only one to engage in pre-emptive civilian disarmament. In 1999, the Connecticut legislature enacted a measure permitting police to confiscate firearms from any individual believed to pose “a risk of imminent personal injury to himself … or to other individuals.” All that is necessary for the seizure to occur is a sworn complaint “by any state’s attorney or assistant state’s attorney or by any two police officers to any judge of the Superior Court.” The confiscated firearms can be held for up to a year, without any criminal charges or civil action being taken against their owner. Thousands of firearms have been seized under that provision, which famously did not prevent the Sandy Hook Massacre."

foofighter, you are really screwing over yourself by supporting the police state. I don't understand why you won't take the position to end the war on drugs which would get rid of the vast majority of gangs and organized crime because they wouldn't have any function to perform. It's very basic logic, you don't have to turn our country into Nazi Germany.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
November 20, 2013 at 6:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

While I'm not sure if I agree with the last sentence of his post, I think Foo's post is right on the money. Good post by Loon as well.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
November 20, 2013 at 6:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is it. Bush laid out the legal foundation for a Nazi Germany style dictatorship, just like Hitler did well before committing any of his atrocities.

Obama is going to begin carrying it out and I am guessing they want to install Hillary to finish us off.

Nice knowing everyone.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
November 20, 2013 at 6:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Do people really think if drugs, all drugs, or some drugs are legal, that these
type of people will just go away? What do you think they are going to do,
all of a sudden become a CEO of their own company? Return to UCSB and resume their education? You can't change the mentality of these types. They are hopeless, don't waste your time and money on them, they aren't worth the investment.

zuma7 (anonymous profile)
November 20, 2013 at 7:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Disgusting to compare what's happening in California gun control efforts, even if you despite them, to the notorious Einsatzgruppen of W.W. II ! Vicious, and inaccurate, loon: try reading D. Goldhagen's HITLER'S WILLING EXECUTIONERS to get a grip on the real evil of the appalling Einsatzgruppen.
By bringing them up without any knowledge, we're at Godwin's Law. Bye.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
November 20, 2013 at 7:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DrDan are you kidding, I've known this was going to happen for years. Read your history more carefully. Hitler took the guns, Stalin took the guns, Mao took the guns, Fidel Castro took the guns. Bush laid the legal groundwork to allow the President to indefinitely detain or kill anybody they want. You think they did that for 'terrorists' that they fund an create?? Al Qaeda is all CIA operatives with CIA funding. No, they did not make those laws for Muslim terrorists, they did that for US citizens who are political dissidents or even merely an annoyance.

They are going to try and put us in FEMA camps and I don't know if there is much we can do anymore. Half of our country won't even accept that 9/11 may have been an inside job. (Hint: It was. Reasons: 2 fold - wars in the middle east and the war on our civil liberties)

loonpt (anonymous profile)
November 20, 2013 at 7:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dear zuma7,

Yes, I believe that the police state in this country causes massive psychological trauma to youth in particular who are more exposed to it (minorities) and that has lead to increased drug abuse within our society. Let me explain why, using scientific data.

You remember the old studies they did where they gave the rats an option between cocaine and food on occasion, and the rats would choose the cocaine until they starved to death.

More recently, the study was replicated. A second study was then performed where instead of being in the cage the rats were put into an environment that simulated their natural environment out in the wild. In this simulated environment, the rats tried the food and the rats tried the cocaine and low and behold they chose the food. Then the scientists just left cocaine out for the rats so they could have it whenever they wanted. The rats didn't touch the cocaine in their simulated natural environment, they only used the cocaine when they were locked up in a cage.

Do you suppose then, that many of our youth feel locked up in a cage and perhaps this condition persists into adulthood? Of course most public schools nowadays even look like prisons, I know I felt like a prisoner going to public school.

Ok then, so now that we have addressed those issues, what about legalizing drugs? There won't be drug dealers. There won't be territory to protect. The drug dealers won't be committing crimes to protect territory and secure product. The drug users will be committing exponentially less crimes in order to fund any drug habits since drugs will cost almost nothing, compared to being very expensive today.

All you have to do is go back to alcohol prohibition to see all of the crime that was occurring and what happened to all of those gangs after alcohol became legal?

By making drugs illegal, you are essentially manufacturing crimes to be committed. It's like the President running on "adding more jobs", hey, I'm going to make drugs illegal and "add more crime!!" You want to vote for that?

loonpt (anonymous profile)
November 20, 2013 at 7:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with zuma. And sbpd are doing the business. Keep it up.

lawdy (anonymous profile)
November 20, 2013 at 8:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Arresting and prosecuting people named on the wannabe gang injunction only PROVES that plenty of law enforcement tools already are available so such an injunction is not needed and is a redundant, tax-wasting boondoggle.

You guys are so gullible and totally illogical.

John_Adams (anonymous profile)
November 20, 2013 at 9:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No wonder Hitler had it so easy, people just love being tyrannized. They welcome it with open arms.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
November 20, 2013 at 9:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Meanwhile, the Santa Barbara Police Department dispenses roughly a dozen suicide by cop killings each year. If you are an armed and trained law enforcement officer you DO NOT HAVE TO SHOOT TO KILL everytime a drug-addled or mentally ill person challenges you.

emptynewsroom (anonymous profile)
November 20, 2013 at 9:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You don't make drugs illegal. You make them undesirable. Gang members are the first persons to benefit from a gang injunction.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
November 20, 2013 at 9:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"The end of a beginning."

Catchy little phrase, but, while I applaud the efforts of the PD in their attempt to curtail the increase in gang violence, this effort will unfortunately not be ending anything (other than this investigation). Just like the "war on drugs" is not stopping importation, use or sale of illegal drugs this investigation will simply slow down gang activity. I believe history has proven gang activity simply might be minimized for a period of time but it will not be eliminated. Too many idiots with too much idle time on their hands and nothing to do but get involved with gangs.

Sanchez needs to keep applying for other departments if he is surprised that generations of family members are involved in these criminal activities. Were there not generations of some Santa Barbara families in the 60's and 70's involved in drug activities in Santa Barbara? The "Mexican Mafia" and the "Nuestra Familia" have been in the Santa Barbara area for many years. One of the former field (outside the prison) generals for the "Mexican Mafia" resided in the 200 block W. Haley Street in the 70's. I was very surprised to read "It’s not clear if La Eme has been here all along." What have the gang/intelligence officers at the PD been doing if they do not have an idea how long this or any other any gang has been in town?

While I'd like to be optimistic about law enforcement efforts in their "war on drugs" and attempts to eliminate gang activity I believe the best that can be done is to slow down each activity. Again, too many idiots eager to get involved in one or both criminal activities.

whatsinsb (anonymous profile)
November 21, 2013 at 7:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The Mafioso, has been using the Gang element for well over 50 years as young muscle and gullible fall-guys for low-level and inoculate operations. For a time MS-13 were the rulers, that many were ex-patriots of the fallen El Salvadorian Government and illegal aliens were actually MS-13 escapees coming into the USA to fill the orders for drugs and money back in the home Country but after ICE 's last major push to get them out and under Anti-racketeering laws, the Mexican Mafia has been biding their time and building their membership with local talent. Small or young Gangs are excellent breeding-grounds for Mafia membership, get them young and impressionable and they will serve till they die; whether in Prison or on the street. I remember that they (MM) use to recruit crips and bloods from the Gangs through the Prison system, guess Santa Bruta is now a fresh for the recruiting...

dou4now (anonymous profile)
November 21, 2013 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

15 years ago the community was shocked when there were 3 violent gang crimes in a few months. Now they are happening almost every week. So no, there were not "always" gangs operating at this level of violence and profit in our town.

Why are you making excuses for this criminal behavior running amok in our town?

foofighter (anonymous profile)
November 21, 2013 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dou4now nailed it. ICE did a good job cleaning house locally. We had the G-13's out in Goleta. To say any of these gangs don't have affiliations with the Mexican Mafia would be naive. Because either you listen up as a smaller gang, or you get killed. I applaud the efforts of LE got get on it and stay on it. This is all the more reason to get the gang injunction passed if for only no other reason than to get these dream team members (30) more visibility amongst the COPS and even locals will probably see their pictures and start calling in on them. For a gang to function, you need local operatives. Not some guys driving thru town with a blue light special on meth. A gang injunction would make these local operatives very well known to LE. I am not normally a huge fan of the COPS but in this case, I think it is outstanding work. GOOD JOB!

bimboteskie (anonymous profile)
November 21, 2013 at 11:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Independent, If you have to ask that question you are truly out of touch. I live in Alaska now and we have them here! Do you think SB is so special they would just work around it? And I love how the politicians love to downplay the gang infestations in their areas.
The gangs only understand and respect brute force. And the reason you're getting a bunch of women and kids is that is how they operate. They sacrifice the youngsters and women so they can continue operations. The police know all this. The political leadership has to soft peddle it to try to keep their jobs.

1Shirt1 (anonymous profile)
November 21, 2013 at 11:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You have violence in Alaska? I didn't read about it in the cruise line tourist pamphlets....

I remember a time not long ago when I was reporting the influence gangs and drug cartels were having on youth and women in the area.
When Sanchez said he's going "door to door" to eradicate the tourist unfriendlies, I asked why not go door to door and eradicate panga boats?
Obviously the truth was kept quiet so the targets of this widespread federal operation were not tip off.

touristunfriendly (anonymous profile)
November 21, 2013 at 12:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Cruise ships don't to to Anchorage.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
November 21, 2013 at 1:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Glad to have you back Loony!
So if we are against Mexican Mafiosos having guns and patrolling our streets that makes us jack booted nazis?
I am working on that little under nostril mustache thing as of now-I always hated shaving there anyways.

garfish (anonymous profile)
November 21, 2013 at 6:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No, advocating the war on drugs that leads to Mexican Mafiosos in the street and not recognizing that your philosophy, not mine, is the cause of all of the violence - and that your answer to that is creating a tyrannical police state that will very likely affect my rights - I have a huge problem with that philosophy, yes.

Do you recognize that abolishing liquor in the earlier part of the last century created a huge violent underground black market? This is all very simple logic. I can't for the life of me figure out why you people make the same statements over and over and never refute any actual logic given.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
November 21, 2013 at 7 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Loopt- Now they are going to tell you how prohibition wasn't really enforced and that was reason for its failure, yet, the drug prohibition is in full force, and it still doesn't work. You can't win against Fox News, and MSNBC followers, and there is so many of them here.

AZ2SB (anonymous profile)
November 21, 2013 at 7:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry Loon,these guys make the streets unsafe,not my philosophy or answers which I have never stated anyways.I do believe that you have next to nothing in common with these characters and actually would rather enjoy my company in a social setting and you would definitely be less at risk of physical harm in an encounter with me than those guys.What I do know is that 30 years ago when drugs were less legal white guys were growing weed in our back country without guns and you could fire up at the county bowl with out getting hassled. What I don't understand is why people bend over backwards to defend such a violent culture.I miss the days of Phineus,Fat Freddy and Free Wheelin Franklin!

garfish (anonymous profile)
November 21, 2013 at 10:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

PC has created a tyrannical police state. It has already happened.

People are terrified now to speak the truth, say what they honestly feel and now apparently cannot even talk about peanut butter sandwiches in the classroom because the children from Somalia who never saw one will feel excluded.

PB&J is now banned by the PC police as a sign of oppressive white privilege. Who cares if anyone has a gun, when you can't even shoot your mouth off.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
November 21, 2013 at 10:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Foo, Cam Sanchez told me that gang murders happen every day, not every week or month. Who is to know what is really true when the news media swallows it whole with no questioning of the real crime statistics data and how they just compiled old news into a public relations stunt.

John_Adams (anonymous profile)
November 22, 2013 at 7:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey, where are the language police? Isn't "Mexican Mafia" a racist slur?

@ K_V, DrDan, what do you think?

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
November 22, 2013 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JA: yes, it is obvious gang murders happen here every day. Why on earth would you demand corroborating proof. Or was Cam saying gang murders happen every day ..somewhere. You are remiss in your details if you are trying to make some point.

Gang violence is showing up almost weekly in the news; who knows how much unreported gang violence is going on every day that does not hit the headlines who follow the bleed it leads ethic of journalism. Just getting punched out or jumped in may not make it.

Zero tolerance for any gangs in this town. They form gangs because the peer pressure allows them to do unspeakable things they might not even consider on their own and outside of of the corrosive bully atmosphere created by the gang itself.

That is why gangs are bad. That is why breaking the effect of the gang validation itself is critical to break their pattern of violence found in this sinister group think setting.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
November 22, 2013 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

more fear porn from the SBPD. their efforts to propagate more funding through fear, and that some of you actually agree with it, sickens me.

Loon is right 300%. Time to wake up, or enjoy a future of pondering what went wrong. Legalize the drugs and tax the living hell out of them. Let the drugged out losers pave our roads and fund our schools. They're going to choose the drug over life, so might as well get them to fund something positive.

jdainsba (anonymous profile)
November 22, 2013 at 11:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

well, JA, the term is a proper noun that has entered the vernacular and is used descriptively... we say "Aryan Brotherhood" too and accept that. You should try perusing Diane Ravitch's Language Police, a book I approve of...but with your extreme center-Left leanings you will be offended by her conservative bias, I think. Happy Thanksgiving all.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
November 22, 2013 at 11:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Legalizing drugs and taxing the hell out of them does not provide cash flow for the users, now does it. They will still rob and loot to get their fixes. Don't be so short-sighted.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
November 22, 2013 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Example of oxymoron: extreme center-left.

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
November 22, 2013 at 12:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

More oxymorons

Central Intelligence Agency

Affordable Care Act

Botany (anonymous profile)
November 22, 2013 at 12:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Santa Barbara Police - protect and serve

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
November 22, 2013 at 12:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

JohnLocke- I was referring to your defense of the use the term "tar baby" when speaking of Syria.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
November 22, 2013 at 1:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

more oxymorons: compassionate conservative; charitable landlord

DrDan (anonymous profile)
November 22, 2013 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

foo, Drugs and $$$ are what runs the gangs. not gang validation or group mantra. As far as short-sights are concerned, it is you who needs to re-focus the lens of your mind. Consider the vast amount of people who are attracted to drugs due to their taboo nature. once legalized and out on the table, this enticing nature of the forbidden fruit disappears. While this def. will not stop all drug use, neither does our current "war on drugs". At least this way we lose the psychological "grass is greener". As far as looting and robbing (which already occurs from current users), this has to cost us billions less to recover from than what it costs us to "go to war with drugs" via our over-paid, over-staffed, militarized local police force.

jdainsba (anonymous profile)
November 22, 2013 at 2:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow sixty eight individuals and twelve guns siezed! They apparently are not very well armed.

Herschel_Greenspan (anonymous profile)
November 22, 2013 at 2:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

One more oxymoron

Common-sense intellectual

Botany (anonymous profile)
November 22, 2013 at 2:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Did you get the full knives and screw drivers count for these gang-bangers?

foofighter (anonymous profile)
November 22, 2013 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

An Essay Concerning Human Understanding : John Locke

DrDan (anonymous profile)
November 22, 2013 at 4:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Would you consider the following quote from Obama an oxymoron?

"I, Barrack Hussain Obama pledge to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America."

whatsinsb (anonymous profile)
November 22, 2013 at 8:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You forgot to add the POTUS oath asks these duties be carried out only to the "best of his (sic) abilities". Otherwise known as the present office holder escape clause.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
November 22, 2013 at 8:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Foo - Agreed. The only thing Obama is truly capable of is deception, a well documented liar with absolutely no credibility.

I will have the most transparent administration.
I have Shovel ready jobs.
The IRS is not targeting anyone.
It was about a movie.
If I had a son.
I will put an end to the type of politics that “breeds division, conflict and cynicism".
You didn't build that.
I will restore trust in Government.
The cops acted stupidly.
I am not after your guns.
The Public Will Have 5 Days To Look At Every Bill That Lands On My Desk.
It's not my red line it is the world’s red line.
Whistle blowers will be protected.
“We got back Every Dime we Used to Rescue the Banks, with interest.
I will close Gitmo.
I am not spying on American citizens.
ObamaCare will be good for America.
You can keep your family doctor.
Premiums will be lowered by $2500.
You can keep your current healthcare plan.

whatsinsb (anonymous profile)
November 22, 2013 at 11:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Wow sixty eight individuals and twelve guns siezed! They apparently are not very well armed."

Herschel_Greenspan (anonymous profile)
November 22, 2013 at 2:06 p.m

Neither is Venus de Milo.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
November 23, 2013 at 5:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Barack...rhymes with Iraq, his middle name is Saddam, and Obama rhymes with Osama. Am I onto something here?

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
November 23, 2013 at 5:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There are probably other "stashes" of weapons at other locations cops have yet to learn about. But, whether there are one or a dozen guns confiscated during this latest search makes little difference. One gun in the hands of any one of these bean 'fartin idiots makes them "well armed."

Ever wonder why a very low percentage of these "boys" enlist in the military? I suspect few enlist because they don't have the intelligence to pass the enlistment examination and know they couldn't handle the discipline required in the military.

whatsinsb (anonymous profile)
November 23, 2013 at 8:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

@K_V: Since I quoted three different dictionary sources to you that said nothing about tarbaby being racist except, according only to Wikipedia, in rather specific cases, after which you disappeared from the scene for quite a while, I repeat - tarbaby in the article regarding Syria was not being used in a racist sense. Now, man up and admit when you're wrong.

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
November 23, 2013 at 8:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Anyone present when Obama was in town in 2008 and watched him "heal" one of his ubiquitous string of campaign rally fainting ladies and did not walk away knowing he was a first class hoaxster, needs to revisit the event to get it right this time.

Just goggle the videos of this charlatan's "fainting lady" act repeated over and over again at his early rallies, and ask yourself why did you miss the obvious when it was literally exposed right in front of your own eyes ….. in 2008.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
November 23, 2013 at 9:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Foo your goofy trolling and thread jacking does not make you a good spokesperson for legalizing drugs. I would suggest that you switch to an indica strain so that you can mellow out.

Herschel_Greenspan (anonymous profile)
November 23, 2013 at 9:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

threadFoojacking, of course, and he's already on Arabica (or is that Java?). JL, the CONNOTATION is racist as you well know, let it go and apologize to KV (oops, you're never wrong, forgot).

DrDan (anonymous profile)
November 23, 2013 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No, DrDan, it's you and K_V who are wrong, as demonstrated by two descriptive dictionaries and WIkipedia (perhaps not quite as high quality a source). The dictionaries are descriptive not prescriptive, i.e. describe not only what words mean but how they are used (i.e. CONNOTATION), and are created by language scholars, whose opinion I will take over yours.

Now both you folks abandoned the discussion once I quoted these THREE sources to you, which clearly indicated that you were defeated, even though you won't say so in words. But continuing to argue your incorrect opinion in the face of scholarly fact simply makes you look like the folks who wear T-shirts that say "Don't bother me with fact, my mind is made up".

And, unlike the two of you, I do admit my errors, most recently in the matter of the Independent's national award. Have you EVER admitted an error?

You have a nice turkey day, now, ya hear...

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
November 23, 2013 at 2:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

it's not that simple, JL, not that any others on this thread are interested. The Wikipedia article is dense, and as you say not the best source. We both read how "The Oxford English Dictionary defines 'tar baby' as 'a difficult problem which is only aggravated by attempts to solve it', but the subscription-only version adds a second definition: 'a derogatory term for a Black (U.S.) or a Maori (N.Z.)' " So it is a difficult topic and complex problem: thoughtful people avoid using the term, you don't.
I will go with that, and that it's a derogatory term, and it felt like you used it that way. Keep trying to explain it way, man, and enjoy your turkey as well.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
November 23, 2013 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This somewhat moronic haggling over the term "tarbaby" reminds me of a similar dispute to which I was a witness years ago regarding the word "niggardly."
My advice to all parties: Let it go. Personally, I'd not use either term due to the, ehrm, prevailing sensibilities of the times, not to mention the general downward march towards ever-burgeoning illiteracy. The persistent flogging of this person on this topic would seem, if I were more PC-centric, to be an example of so-called "cyber bullying." He's said his use was based on the other (accepted) definition. Accept that, let it go and move on.

zappa (anonymous profile)
November 23, 2013 at 4:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Even I think this thread is getting silly.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
November 23, 2013 at 6:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I just like to knock him off his high horse on occasion. He loves it.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
November 23, 2013 at 8:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Maybe those who see the term as racist themselves see the world through a racist lens.

I've been falling off horses since I learned to ride at age 5. Doesn't bother me at all. But the term "high horse" may be interpreted to mean the horse is a druggie, which may be taken as an insult by the horse.

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
November 24, 2013 at 8:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

zany, even moronic

DrDan (anonymous profile)
November 24, 2013 at 10:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Of course they are!

Why? SB is filled with hand-wringing liberal victocrats practicing relative-moralism and are so bound-up by political correctness, two boxes of Muslix can't help them in the morning.

The gangs figure this out fast and find that they are good to go with drug dealing, graffiti, corruption, extortion, violent crime and gun-running while white, liberal-dem elitists (college educated socialist and/or big government proponents) take whippings and beatings from latino "community activists" and other racists pressure groups like La Raza.

New motto: "Graffiti in Santa Barbara, brought to you by illegal aliens and their children - enabled by horrified readers of this sentence"

realitycheck88 (anonymous profile)
November 24, 2013 at 8:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)


Herschel_Greenspan (anonymous profile)
November 24, 2013 at 10:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

fear-loving spiritual poverty

DrDan (anonymous profile)
November 25, 2013 at 6:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, DrDan, that was the point. Connotation, right? Compare to your own thoughts. And now I'm done.

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
November 25, 2013 at 8:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)


Your reference to lab rats in the cage and in a natural environment, the results.

I would argue that the Urban environment is not natural to homo sapien, thus drug use will always be in an urban setting. Homo-sapiens have been looking for mystical altered states from the very beginning or escape from the hopeless some find in the urban jungle, thus drugs will always be with us.

Talking with a hospital based physician that I have known for over 45 years. The trend is to over-use opiates in medicine today and leads to a
therapeutic dependency. I have also read that the human brain is not fully developed until age 26 and even mary jane retards brain growth in teenagers with no such side events for those over age 26 but Cannabinoids without the THC have been very therapeutic for treatment of seizures and other nervous system issues even in very young children.

The bio-mechanical machine known as Man is very complex and given the great shift of the Industrial Revolution, it remains clear there are no easy answers.

I agree that Prohibitions don't work and cause the violence that we see now and saw in the 1920-30's.

You are correct the War on Drugs/Terrorism has become a war on all our liberties. Government instead of surgically dealing the issue uses a 2000 lb gorilla.

Localism is the only governmental idea that really has a chance in dealing with the complex issues involved here.

Rural Alaska has dry villages and local village laws to combat drug and alcohol abuse supported by the State government. The Village Elders and their non-leo village safety officers interface with the State to deal with the issues.

Centralized Authority has never been able to address the issues presented, its Localism that would.

howgreenwasmyvalley (anonymous profile)
November 25, 2013 at 10:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good one How green.

AZ2SB (anonymous profile)
November 27, 2013 at 11:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with AZ2SB.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
November 28, 2013 at 6:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Try this on for size. A compassionate rapist!

salsipuedes (anonymous profile)
January 27, 2014 at 4:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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