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Where Does Safety Begin?

Friday, October 11, 2013
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Safety begins in the home. In a New York Times article, children shot accidentally — usually by other children — are the unanticipated casualties of firearm accessibility in homes. These stories are heart-wrenching and happen more frequently than reported. How is it that firearm deaths are one of the top three causes of death of American children? Today, as you are reading this, seven children will die and many more will be injured by guns. Guns are usually bought for protection, but a gun is 22 times more likely to endanger or kill family members (usually women and children) than intruders.

In 2004, 1,804 children and teenagers were murdered in gun homicides, 846 committed suicide with guns, and 143 died in unintentional shootings. A total of 2,852 young people were killed by firearms in the U.S., one every three hours.

Typical story: A 2-year-old boy used a stool to retrieve a gun case in the home, opened the case to remove the small caliber semi-automatic gun that had a round chambered and a fully loaded magazine, and shot himself in the upper right chest.

According to Karen Brock from the Violence Policy Center, “Children can’t legally buy handguns, children can’t legally possess handguns – yet they are killing each other with handguns. The reason: children still have easy access to handguns because of the lax practices of an unregulated gun industry and the mistaken idea that a handgun in the home offers protection, when in reality it is far more likely to result in horrific consequences.”

October is Domestic Violence Awareness month. Facts are clear that a home with a gun is a very dangerous place for a woman to be; A woman living in such a home is nearly three times more likely to be murdered than a woman living in a gun-free home. It’s too easy for an abuser, even one with a domestic violence conviction, to get his hands on a gun. Approximately 4,000 American females are murdered each year. Seventeen times as many Latina women are murdered by males they knew rather than by strangers. In states with higher levels of household gun ownership, there are higher rates of female homicide victims.

A study from the Harvard School of Public Health finds that among high-income nations, the United States has the highest rate of female homicide victimization. David Hemenway, PhD, director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center and lead author of the study, said: “The difference in female homicide victimization rates between the U.S. and other industrialized nations is very large and is closely tied to levels of gun ownership. The relationship cannot be explained by differences in urbanization or income inequality.”

Fact: Americans have the most guns, statistically more than one per person. With approximately 30,000 gun deaths annually we are clearly not doing a good job of protecting our families and communities.

Many of these important issues will be discussed at a town hall forum Safety in Homes, Schools and Communities on Thursday, October 17, from 6:30 to 8:30 p.m. at the Faulkner Gallery of the main public library. For more information contact or call (805) 564-6804.


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Safety does indeed begin at home. How is that guns initiate violence by merely being present? Properly stored, properly handled, correctly operated, guns are fine. If a 2 year old gets hold of a fire arm and discharges it, that is not "gun violence", it is malpractice on the part of an irresponsible owner. If the child cuts himself with a butcher knife, is that "butcher knife violence", or inattentive parents? Rather obvious. Guns are not violent, but can used to commit violence. Ill reasoned articles do little to educate, and more to increase ignorance. The appropriate way to report this and similar stories would have been to address the circumstances that lead each child to access a firearm that was unsafely stored, then use these stories to educate.

kramkenamez (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2013 at 5:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I would like to see a debate between Ms. Wellen and any of the following groups. Many people tend to stereotype gun owners, but these three groups dispel that myth. (Jews) (Women) (Gays)

billclausen (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2013 at 5:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The Thurs evening dialogue at the Faulkner should prove interesting, just as Ms. Wellen's summary of the NYTimes article about how our gun-obsessed society has created a situation where "a gun is 22 times more likely to endanger or kill family members (usually women and children) than intruders." BC, you often display webrefs like those above, but they're meaningless: no one disputes that there are plenty of safety-conscious gun-owners who are extraordinarily careful, etc., in handling and storing their weapons. In a society with over 310 million humans the small percentage of gun-crazies etc. form too great a number and we get the startling stats in the Times article Wellen refers to.
While BC worries about stereo-typing gun owners, karkenamez can't understand the Times article writing "Ill reasoned articles do little to educate, and more to increase ignorance." Try rereading Wellen's piece, then the NYTimes piece.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2013 at 5:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is niggardly 'gendered' (er sexed) nonsense. Men suffer far higher murder rates from handguns than do women. Therefore, genuine of safety necessarily begins by protecting men first. Women also murder men in the home with handguns (and often get away clean with cold blooded murder thanks to the pussy pass or by falsely accusing their own murder victims after the fact), women initiate the majority of domestic violence incidents and women commit 40% of the most serious forms of domestic violence. Women also commit the majority of child abuse. The absurd concern for the safety of an already utterly Coddled 'Gender', the complete indifference to far more serious male mortality, and the utter unwillingness to address violent women is both dishonest and tyrannical.

It's time to go beyond bigoted gender feminist hate mongering and traditional male disposability. Personal safety outside or inside the home deserves solid science, sex-balanced statistics, and responses proportional to the REAL risks which both sexes face...and that includes but is not limited to the state proxy violence/social violence risks that men and boys face thanks to feminist bigotry or thanks to traditional male disposability. In addition, poisonous feminist propaganda about violence or domestic violence needs to be banned from all credible discussions about safety. It's very important to remember that for the Coddled 'Gender' (eg female Sex)) violence is a relatively minor problem which is hysterically hyped to brew anti-male hatred. By all measures, men suffer and die from violence at grossly higher rates than do women....and that's likely due to the fact that men need to compete for status with which to 'buy' sex from the very Indispensable Sex which abuses it's superior sexual power to en-'gender' male on male violence in the first place.

October needs to be DV Violence Awareness Month for more than feminist gender bigots, their cultish harpies, or their traitorous male flunkies. I'd urge everyone to visit A Voice for Men to understand what the other side of DV looks like. It's long past time to ban feminist gender bigots from civilized discourse, to hammer them hard for the DV they commit by lying endlessly about DV or by abusing state proxy violence to commit DV indirectly, and to dismantle their hysterical worldwide hate movement as rapidly as possible. Fortunately, DV shelter pioneer Erin Pizzey is doing just that on her online radio show this very morning.

Sealion (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2013 at 10:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes DrDan, I am repetitive, but as long as people who clearly have social-engineering biases say/write what they do, I will present my side of the story. That is the beauty of living in a country where free exchange of ideas is allowed.

What I failed to point out is that all of this overlooks the fact that our society is becoming so violent that we have the need to pass more laws. Oh wait, someone will throw a bunch of links saying that I'm wrong, crime is going down, yet they support more "sensible" (the favorite word of the anti-gun crowd) gun laws. Which is it? Also, the argument about how easily guns of mass destruction fails to address the fact that at any time during our lives (and I know you are older than I am, and I'm 52) the capability for someone to walk into a school and kills lots of people has always been there.

It's the danger of True Believers who want their Utopian society without thinking it through long-range--like when a few weeks ago I raised a question about making downtown an all-bike zone. I asked how those not capable of riding bikes are supposed to get around, and neither you, nor anybody else, had an answer. So far, same situation here.

Intractable devotion to one's political agenda without considering any mitigating facts is not a good thing.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2013 at 6:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

By the way Sealion, you make some good points, but remember this is a public forum, so clean up the language a bit because otherwise they will delete your post. (Yes, I do know that "niggardly" has nothing to do with race, but it's another word you posted that we could do without, and again, I'd hate to see your good points get deleted on the basis of violating terms of service as well as common sense good taste).

billclausen (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2013 at 6:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You do have a point Bill, but I'm since I'm sick and tired of the pigheaded PC police censoring free speech and feminist bigots blatantly scapegoating heterosexual white males as the new 'N's', I tend to prefer terms which strongly call the mean-spirited monkey business that I'm opposing here. That said, you can be sure that I won't be gratuitous with 'niggardly', with 'bigot' or with other strong terms.

What's a bit ironic is that feminist 'gender' bigots can/do create asinine anti-male reverse-sexism as 'common sense' in their retarded 'gendered' rhetoric, the lame stream press spreads their poisonous propaganda for them with no opposing perspectives permitted, and THEN when anti-feminists or others dare call their 'tyrannical taste', WE get labeled as contributors who have 'bad taste'. This is the standard tactic that 'progressive' totalitarians prefer so as to claim the moral high ground for themselves AND to double-bind shame their opponents into silence. That, of course, is the very definition of diabolical (and 'niggardly') behavior from the lovely faux-liberal Left today.

You are more than welcome to offer me feedback on whatever you feel is in 'bad taste' from me. Wherever there's good reason, I will be glad to clean up whatever needs to be cleaned up. But, I trust that our lovely moderators here (hopefully not ugly censors) have dictionaries and know how to use I'm not overly worried about being gratuitously censored for using strong but correctly applied terms like 'niggardly' or 'bigot'. It's called The Independent for a reason.

Sealion (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2013 at 9:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That is the beauty of living in a country where free exchange of ideas WAS ONCE allowed.

Virtually all of our Ivory Towers, violate the Constitution by censoring free speech or punishing people for free speech. Just this month, a CA community college threatened students for simply passing out copies of the Constitution...and still hasn't backed down. Totalitarian tyranny is the name of the game at most colleges and universities in America. The totalitarian tools (academic administrators) now outnumber the professors so there's little hope for rapid change but FIRE and other groups are busy fighting ice with fire.

The lame stream news media also routinely censors free speech. It's rare to be able to attack the more loathsome forms of Politically Correctness on comment blogs in most lame stream news platforms. The elite monkeys who run/rape the show have too much too loose from free speech to permit free and open discussion.

Sealion (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2013 at 10:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sealion: I agree with what you're saying. As an "old school" liberal who truly wants to live in a society of people who get along (per the Dream of the 1960's) I share your feelings exactly. For what it's worth, I think Scandinavian culture comes the closest to a gender-enlightened society where men and women are more or less equal, and actually seem to LIKE each other. Don't even get me started on the hypocrisy of academia. As far as what to say or not to say, we are playing by the rules of the moderators of this blog but I WILL say that for all of the four-letter words that fly out of my mouth there are a few words that even I avoid because I don't like them, and the reference to female anatomy you used is one of them, and as I said before, you don't need to use such invectives to make the points you made, which I think are excellent points.

I also feel that good manners dictate that when in mixed company, it's best to keep it clean, but as far as IDEAS are concerned, everything--sex, politics and religion is not only fair game, but SHOULD be discussed because such dialogue is the only way--as the saying goes--that "iron sharpens iron".

billclausen (anonymous profile)
October 13, 2013 at 5:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I forgot to mention, that while I often find myself at odds with the political views of The Independent, I think that for that last year or so they have been fair in their moderation of the blogs. Before that, there was a lot of censoring, but I think they are fair (at least in my experience) with their enforcement of the rules. Of course, if they decide to delete this post, all bets are off.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
October 13, 2013 at 5:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The Sea Lion roars! Oceans make up 70% of the earth's surface, and humans cannot live underwater. Just saying.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
October 13, 2013 at 7:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sealion scents sex bias all right. Feminists have been selling totally bogus "statistics" for decades, under the mighty shield of PC. Seven out of five women will be raped in their lifetimes, etc. Since feminist bogosity has a bearing in this debate, see, if inclined: (shrill distortions enshrined ad nauseam)

Adonis_Tate (anonymous profile)
October 13, 2013 at 8:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

gee, Bill, since you wanna get into it...
You wrote, "Oh wait, someone will throw a bunch of links saying that I'm wrong, crime is going down, yet they support more "sensible" (the favorite word of the anti-gun crowd) gun laws." ... [then you ended] "Intractable devotion to one's political agenda without considering any mitigating facts is not a good thing."
Who is intractable here? The NYTimes frontpage article Wellen refers to shows us how terrible gun damage has been especially to women and children. Your three posts are meaningless, and you are intractable in your hatred to social-engineering schemes. Devotion to your own pro-gun agenda, eh? As noted, you always say the same thing and yes, I'll defend to the death your right to say it, and then mine to show your gun-lovin' agenda, dude.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
October 13, 2013 at 11:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

@BC, I don't always agree with you, but at least you're civil. I can't say that about a lot of other commenters (too many @Indy if you ask me).

Regarding stereotyping ... "the hypocrisy of academia" isn't a broad generalization?

Heal thyself physician!

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
October 13, 2013 at 1:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

couldn't agree more with "the hypocrisy of academia", although it may be a broad generalization, but I oughta know how accurate that statement is: pretty accurate. Ivory tower academic 'theologians' need to come down into the trenches, teach in urban public school classrooms for ten years. Yeah, Bill, I took a bit of an exception to your post "as long as people who clearly have social-engineering biases say/write what they do" -- didn't seem too civil. Since I'm not a physician, EB, can't heal myself, dang!

DrDan (anonymous profile)
October 13, 2013 at 3:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"feminist bigots blatantly scapegoating heterosexual white males as the new 'N's". It seems you take their views too seriously. White heterosexual males are still running the show. Playing the victim to 'lame stream media' puts you in the same can of nuts as Sarah Palin.

spacey (anonymous profile)
October 13, 2013 at 3:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Can one actually agree with both the author and the majority of comments?
Kram makes great points, but it's not the article that is ill reasoned. It is the gun owners who are irresponsible. Not all, but those who do not follow the rules of responsible ownership. What are those rules? Does the government need to step in and make a list? They way this country suffers from gun violence (way more than terrorism, which we spend way too much on) apparently so. Still can't figure out where all the hatred for females is coming from that one guy, must be old and crusty from the sea salt, misses the good 'ol days of being able to speak his mind 'cause you know we have cages for that type of spew now. Probly same cage we put the feminist bigots in. Obama signed that into law, you know, the one that takes away our freedom.

spacey (anonymous profile)
October 13, 2013 at 4:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"It seems you take their (feminist) views too seriously."

Hardly. An asinine amalgam of bankrupt ideologies recycled from the trash heap of history (See Spreading Misandry: The Teaching of Contempt for Men in Popular Culture for the rest of the story) is simply silliness. What IS worth taking seriously is when said evil ideologies are officially coddled by traitorous political gender bigots like Biden and Obama to bring the big cannon of government down on millions of innocent men and the name of protecting women from male violence. What's also troubling is the lily-livered lame stream media which backs feminist gender bigots, silences all other perspectives, and spreads pigheaded PC propaganda for said bigots in the name of 'objective' journalism. Tyrannical totalitarianism of this type is so dangerous that even prominent FEMINISTS are beginning to become outraged after finally (and fortunately) getting a taste of their own medicine.

Free speech is under assault by feminist gender bigots everywhere. That's because the clever cockroaches who spread the Big ('gender'-as-female-sex) Lie are very allergic to sunshine, have no truthful arguments with which it defend themselves, and are ugly hate mongers who prefer to spread filthy female supremacist foolishness in the dark. Happily, however, the online world permits (fairly) free speech...and that's where feminism and feminists are getting demolished...often with hilarious viral clips of their own bigoted behavior.

Imagine were The Independent to really be independent. To report the whole truth about reproductive rights, the utterly false 'gender pay gap', the overwhelming sexed death gap, the filthy falseness of feminist domestic violence propaganda, the commonplace reality of female perpetrated domestic violence, domestic vice, rape, child abuse, child sex abuse, the false accusations of same, the female supremacist feminist ideologies, the 'subjective' science, and scapegoating 'statistics' would be every so shockingly HONEST. Some truly objective, balanced, and thoughtful 'Shock and Awe' of this kind would be a great antidote to the hysterical hate mongering which faux-liberal PC 'progressives' are infamous for.

Sealion (anonymous profile)
October 13, 2013 at 5:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

" Your three posts are meaningless. " -DrDan- (I disagree)

"and you are intractable in your hatred to social-engineering schemes." -DrDan- (You are correct!)

billclausen (anonymous profile)
October 13, 2013 at 6:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Heal thyself physician!

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
October 13, 2013 at 1:21 p.m.

"DrDan" is a doctor, no? Only HE can heal me. There IS a doctor in the house.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
October 13, 2013 at 6:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"there are a few words that even I avoid because I don't like them, and the reference to female anatomy you used is one of them, and as I said before, you don't need to use such invectives to make the points you made, which I think are excellent points."

Bill, for the record, this sealion always tries to fish far away from the filthy Estrogen Sewers from which Eve Ensler's Vagina MONO-logue C*nts spread their foul-smelling feminist filth. That's because I find wicked (FEMINIST) women who project their personal damage on all men politically to be repugnant as well as evil. To imagine that FEMINIST women dare to publicly 'reclaim' the vagina as a proud C*nt given the niggardly nature of what emanates from the FEMINIST Female Thing is ironically hilarious. To see them soil Paseo Neuvo theater as the outlet for their proud but pigheaded political sewage means that they deserve no quarter when it comes to the usage of THEIR very own PUBLICLY 'reclaimed' term. This is particularly the case in a prominent public mall in which even the most imaginary 'phallic' displays were banned recently thanks to 'polite' PC pressure...and in one in which nearly naked slutwalkers (l/c) are welcome to proudly strut their stuff all day sexually 'empowered' feminist Girls on the Edge (Sax).

Bottom line: I use the ugly C term to directly oppose the poisonous feminist propaganda which hides beneath 'polite' PC tyranny. Like I said before, it's not pleasant but since the feminist Estrogen Sewer came to all of us whether we liked it or not, we have no real choice but to start shutting down it's major outlets...that is if we hope to heal the ocean, to survive as happy sealions (or dolpins) and to be able to feed on fresh 'fish' anytime soon. One-sided false accusations of 'impoliteness', 'offensiveness', and 'insensitivity' are simply the weapons of choice for the 'polite' but PC totalitarian tools who rape most of our institutions for infantile female supremacist entitlements. To give in to that kind of C*nt oppression, just because we were rightly schooled to be gentlemen in an early more decent era is simply suicidal in today's ugly Age of Misandry.

That said, I have some compassion for Eve Ensler since she is human too...and since she was sexually abused as a girl. But I will never tolerate her projecting her personal damage on all men politically. She needs some serious personal help, not another pigheaded political or artistic platform.

And of course, I understand perfectly where you are coming from on this...and would have preferred never to have been forced to see, smell, or swim in Estrogen Sewage in the first place....but sadly there we all today's crude, crass, and vulgar (female and male) C*nt culture.

Sealion (anonymous profile)
October 13, 2013 at 6:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Probly same cage we put the feminist bigots in"

Where is that cage, pray tell? Feminist bigots are the only official class of bigots who seem to be free to fly worldwide on their publicly-funded 'brooms'. And where do we find a cage which can hold One Billion Gender Bigots Rising?

Sealion (anonymous profile)
October 13, 2013 at 6:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"White heterosexual males are still running the show."

Actually a fatherless black heterosexual male gender bigot and his even more bigoted white 'boy' (Biden) are running the show. These traitorous specimens of 'manhood' are pitiful because they proudly give the shaft to their male brothers to pander for votes from misandrist feminist hate mongers in the name of feminist 'equality' and 'justice'. The reality is that women have always ruled the patriarchy as monstrous matriarchal manipulators behind the scenes: Feminism is just an evil evolution of traditional male sexed in which social (eg 'gendered') disposability adds insult to injury.

Sealion (anonymous profile)
October 13, 2013 at 7:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"For what it's worth, I think Scandinavian culture comes the closest to a gender-enlightened society where men and women are more or less equal, and actually seem to LIKE each other."

I almost spilled my coffee over this one. Please do visit Norway: and please be sure to stay away from the Saudia Arabia of Feminism unless you hope to enjoy Julian Assange style 'justice'. I cannot imagine a more tyrannical region in terms of feminist fascism than the Scandinavian one but maybe I'm missing something from the traditional culture which cancels the 'progressive' bigotry somehow.

Sealion (anonymous profile)
October 13, 2013 at 7:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

People focus on ONE issue, in this case guns, while missing the big picture.

Human nature determines that there will always be foolish people who reproduce, vote, drive cars, and own guns. Gun deaths, drunk driving deaths, terrorism, (actual odds of getting killed by one in America about 1 out of 100,000) getting hit by a train, or babies mistaking detergent pods for candy. (Yes, one grandmother wants the detergent companies to label individual pods--maybe child custodians should lock the cabinets where these products are stored?)

Hiding behind "the children" is a tried-and-true way of garnering sympathy for a cause, but since we're talking about children, I feel that since California is so obsessed with spaying and neutering non-humans, maybe--given the amount of people who aren't smart enough to lock up their drugs, chemicals, and weapons, such humans should be rendered infertile. If you don't have enough common sense to secure firearms from your kids, you shouldn't be allowed to have either of these.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
October 13, 2013 at 8:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"If you don't have enough common sense to secure firearms from your kids, you shouldn't be allowed to have either of these."

Let's start go even closer to the root of safety, as in 'if you don't have enough human decency to protect your kids from yourself, from your spouse and from other dangerous adult predators, you shouldn't be able to breed". A license to breed should be more important than a license to drive or to own a handgun...because it's the little (un-)guided missiles bred by thoughtless but and abusive human breeders who are really responsible for most of the truly dangerous female vice/male violence in the world. We shouldn't be allow to breed rug rats before we've proven that we can handle ourselves, opposite sex others, and the world as a whole with aplomb....and that includes ridding our world of evil ideologies which demean, destroy and/or castrate us BEFORE we begin to breed as males. I've always been struck by the courage of the 40 something Libyan woman who refused to breed into her particular Mad Dog's moral catastrophe. Likewise, we need to be sure not to breed into our Twisted Sisters' totalitarian tyranny unless we first ensure that our male children will be protected from the poisonous 'gendered' propaganda, secured from the cold-holed hatred of all things male or masculine, and given a decent shot at equal treatment under the law.

Sealion (anonymous profile)
October 13, 2013 at 11:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As one woman told me "If people who want to have kids had to undergo the same criteria as people who want to adopt kids 90% of the people would be sterilized". I agree.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2013 at 3:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

That article about Asma and Bashar is all conjecture, other than citing their educational accomplishments. Is there any indication that Asma is happy in her situation now? or that she feels trapped and has to go along to stay alive in that brutal family. In remarkable hypocrisy or irony, she once recorded a video about the terrible things done to Palestinians by the Israelis, when what Assad is doing is a thousand times worse. Does she still believe what she said in that video - if so her life must be a living hell. How am I to judge if that is the truth - I cannot with the evidence I have, and that cited article provided nothing that would change that.

There are evil and good people of both genders, and it is very simplistic to broad-brush either group. I have personally witnessed the destruction caused by mental sickness in both men and women, and have also seen the healing by both genders.

The article quoted by A-T, is remarkable in that the summary is "Feminists have been selling totally bogus "statistics" for decades", when on reading the article it is the women themselves who debunked the bogus statistics. So why vilify all women as Sealion does, when the majority of women in that article debunked the claims of a few.

One of the worst social norms that people practice in this supposed advanced society is to trash the group by the actions of a few. I could ridicule those conservative men who have the most stupid ideas about female anatomy and assign that stupidity to all men - but that would in effect be stupid and narrow-minded.

There is a lot I do not like that has been done by many in both genders - however, since free speech is allowed in this country, I will not twist myself into a pretzel of hatred of those I dislike, knowing that on average most men and women have more good in them than bad, and appreciate the good. I feel very sorry for Sealion - I would hate to live in his head, but he is free to rant and rave about his pet dislikes - I will just read them and move on. Nothing he says can change anybody's mind - people decide for themselves.

tabatha (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2013 at 6:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There is indeed good and evil in both sexes BUT feminists scapegoat men for all the evil in history, conveniently ignore the evil from vile women who bed/front for/back bad men, totally deny the Dark Side of Woman altogether, pretend that women and girls are helpless little victim-saints, and happily spread hysterical anti-male hatred worldwide. I loved A-T's 7 in 5 'statistic' because it reflects the reality of feminist fraud. No one is vilifying all women but everyone who is the least bit decent vilifies feminist women...particularly those who KNOWINGLY spread hatred.

One of the best social norms that people practice in this supposedly free country is to trash bigoted groups by assessing the ideology and activism of most members in said groups. People are welcome to ridicule the Penis MONO-logues assuming that ANY man ever becomes as bigoted, absurd and hateful as is Eve Ensler...and I will happily join the will every man I know....but until then let's let the loathsome Vagina MONO-logues enjoy it's day in the sun. Ridiculing the C*nt/C*nt culture has nothing whatever to do with conservative men (who are at least as dangerous to men as are feminist gender bigots, thanks to traditional notions of male disposability) and everything to do with feebleminded feminist hate mongering.

Genuine free speech is rarely really allowed in this country these days. Show me one local public speaker or writer who is permitted to diss feminism in public. Feminists are shutting down free speech everywhere as a glance at FIRE's website or the viral vid from Warren Farrell's U of Toronto welcoming committee amply demonstrate...and the girls who will ultimately suffer the most from totalitarian tyranny never seem to care.

That said, I've got to give The Independent credit, so far, for letting their 'progressive' censorship hammer sit on the shelf. It's a refreshing change from most low down comment blogs subjugated by faux-liberal tyrants or corporate c*nts (male and female). Maybe someday soon good women will refuse to be twisted into pretzels of hatred by a bunch of bigoted female (and male) baboons who lie about everything under the the name of 'equality' and 'justice'....for an already utterly entitled Coddled 'Gender'....but I'm not holding my breath.

Sealion (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2013 at 11:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Does she still believe what she said in that video - if so her life must be a living hell."

You gonna ask that silly question about her husband's statements as well? She deserves her living hell because she is the proud dictator behind the throne who fronts for her husband, who puts a pretty face, high fashion, hot shoes, and a sweet smile on the wholesale slaughter of her own people. Why is the kinder gentler (NOT) Sex always held to an infantile standard of morality or none at all, pray tell?

Sealion (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2013 at 11:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Guessing that the Sealion spawned lil female pups that revolted against the male domination they were indoctrinated with. Married to a feminist? Raised by a feminist? Undercover CIA agent who infiltrated feminism HQ? What's next on their agenda, pray tell? Distract many articles dealing with gun violence lately? (psst, next response ought to be good, right?)

spacey (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2013 at 1:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Distract many articles dealing with gun violence lately?"

I don't like to have to do this because handgun violence IS a very serious problem BUT as long as articles on gun violence are chock full of sexist feminist (or traditional) boilerplate babble on the nature of violence or domestic violence, you can be sure I'll pop in with some 'distractions'.

As for you, it'd be nice to see your find something other than foolish shame games to rely on after you empty your little peashooter. Of course, that'll be hard because you are a woman (most likely) inside a faux-liberal/feminist coven. It's impossible to find anything really intelligent from inside the Brave New World run by your spacey Big Sisters because free speech is forbidden therein.

Sealion (anonymous profile)
October 15, 2013 at 11:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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