Goleta Abandons Gang Task Force

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Goleta’s decision to pull funding from the South Coast Youth Gang Task Force raised eyebrows at last week’s Board of Supervisors meeting. Supervisors Wolf and Carbajal ​— ​whose districts combined include Goleta, Santa Barbara, and Carpinteria ​— ​had not known about it. All three cities and the county chip in for the Task Force, whose goal it is to augment cooperation between agencies, service providers, and schools. “We were all shocked,” said Wolf upon learning from task force coordinator Saul Serrano that Goleta had pulled out prematurely. The city administrators had agreed to fund the effort for five years, said Serrano, but Goleta’s city manager Dan Singer said, “There was never any discussion that I was aware of about a long-term strategy.”

Goleta Mayor Roger Aceves, who announced that he is running for Wolf’s supervisor seat on September 10, said, “I have explicitly asked for performance measures showing that the city of Goleta is benefiting from our contribution [which was $22,800 last year], and we couldn’t see it.” He also added that Goleta ​— ​through its revenue neutrality agreement ​— ​has contributed $82 million to the county over the past 20 years and that the county should pay for services. Supervisor Carbajal said of the decision, “This is another example of ineffective leadership coming from the mayor of Goleta.” The Task Force ​— ​based on a regional approach to juvenile crime ​— ​will continue to include Goleta, and Goleta will continue its (nonmonetary) participation. Santa Barbara Assistant City Administrator Marcelo Lopez said, “I’m hoping that we can engage with the City [of Goleta] again, and they can be a funder.”


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Aceves undoubtedly knows the economics involved in funding a task force is a two way street. As a former officer he should know the task force will begin their work in high problem areas; when necessary and as time permits they will deal with identified gang issues in outlying areas of their jurisdiction.

Since Goleta will no longer contribute funds to the task force I suggest the task force concentrate their efforts in the cities of Carpinteria and Goleta. Not a smart move to eliminate funding, especially for a person with some law enforcement experience that should know how these multi-jurisdiction units operate. Aceves can no longer simply pick up the phone and request the gang task force concentrate in a specific area or investigate specific persons. You never know when or where a gang problem will surface and the task force can be used to concentrate on the problem.

whatsinsb (anonymous profile)
September 12, 2013 at 8:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The City of Goleta was incorporated in 2002, 11 years ago. It is hard to understand the sentence ``He also added that Goleta ​— ​through its revenue neutrality agreement ​— ​has contributed $82 million to the county over the past 20 years and that the county should pay for services.''

Did Goleta really contribute anything between 1993 and 2002?

Did anyone check Aceves' figures?

In any case: the City of Goleta cherrypicked revenue producers with the city boundaries, and specifically excluded neighborhoods (like Isla Vista) where low-wage workers who staff the hotels, Camino Real Marketplace, etc live.

The recent County poverty report documents the poverty in Isla Vista... thank you, Roger Aceves, for overlooking the folks who sustain your bed tax & sales tax sources.

snugspout (anonymous profile)
September 12, 2013 at 10:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Between 1993 and 2002 what is now the City of Goleta contributed what all uncorporated areas contributed, bed tax (aka TOT) from the lodging establishments, property tax and sales tax. Roger has a burr under his saddle on the revenue neutrality agreement because the County is unwilling to renegotiate the deal the City made when they incorporated. Roger thinks that by being on the Board he can convince the other four Supervisors to let Goleta keep more of the revenue that it generates. Fat chance of that happening.

Not only did Goleta cherrypick the boundaries to include revenue producers, they also carefully excluded areas that had voted against incorporation in the past, and excluded areas that they couldn't handle managing, e.g., Goleta Beach, another of Roger's pet issues.

discoboy (anonymous profile)
September 12, 2013 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The law enforcement approach fails ever time. Ever ask yourself if gang injunction theory is correct; why aren't we slapping injunctions on the actors
who portray gangsters and drug dealers? (Breaking Bad, sons of Anarchy)
Why aren't we arresting the rap musicians who act like gangster?

touristunfriendly (anonymous profile)
September 12, 2013 at 11:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good job Roger! Means a lot coming from an ex police officer. This gang task force which denies any responsibility for the proposed gang injunction and wont even discuss it has wasted a lot of money from the beginning! Give the money to the programs that work with the kids and i dont mean pal. Who wants to send their kids to the people who are harrassing, attacking and deporting our community. Marcelo is a pendejo and a vendido! Salud, I love u but its time to step it up gordo! YA BASTA! EL PUEBLO UNIDO JAMAS SERA VENCIDO! You keep referring to our kids, our future as a gang problem? Step up people and spend some time with these kids, all they need is some guidance! Stop the gang injunction! Stop police brutality! Stop racial profiling! There will be a vigil this Sunday for a victim killed by killer cops on our streets. Will you be there or be complaining on your couch watching tv?

Cesar J Trujillo

cesartrujillo (anonymous profile)
September 12, 2013 at 12:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Trujillo - Why do you ask for "people" to step up "and spend some time with these kids -?" You state "all they need is some guidance!" Where are the parents? Or do you expect the government to solve all your problems?

Shouldn't the parents of the involved kids step up, spend more time with their kids and provide the proper guidance that will keep them out of the hands of gang members and law enforcement? Why aren't you jumping up and down about the parents that are allowing their kids to become involved in crime and gang activities?

whatsinsb (anonymous profile)
September 12, 2013 at 3:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok, there is a general lack of understanding as to how city government works here. He is only one vote on the City Council of Goleta. It's a strong City Manager goverment model. It's a fair question to ask "what have we gotten with our money?". Hey Discoboy, you want to talk about cherry picking boundaries? Have you looked at how the BOS drew their boundaries? You can't get to areas of the 1st district without driving through at least two others to get around the foothills. The neutrality agreement ends soon, so who cares about renegotiation.

BeachFan (anonymous profile)
September 12, 2013 at 3:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Whatsinsb, obviously you are not aware that some parents work two or three jobs, dont speak the language or afraid to leave their homes because they are scared of the system. Many crimes dont get reported because of this fear. Santa Barbara has the highest rate of low level offender deportations in the state. Imagine that? The gang task force shoulf be eliminated and monies shpuld go to youth programs and education of the real history of the americas. Raise these youth's self-esteem. Do u know what its like to be looked down by teachers, police because of the color of ur skin? I do! When a police car is behind you do you get nervous? I do, not because I've done anything wrong because we are traumatized. I was born and raised in SB and I'm tired of people coming from out of town with their so called solutions. I'm not saying all police are bad, I know many that I grew up with that are good prople and care about their community but there are bad seeds just like there are bad so called gang members. Do u think because of 10 bad people the city should spend a million dollars to propose a gang injunction that names all latinos? Imagine the racial profiling and harrasement on our kids? Whats that gonna do to our kids' self-esteem? My email is lets work together to solve these problems. This is not LA, we dont need their so called solutions. SB is a magical place and we all deserve to live in harmony.

cesartrujillo (anonymous profile)
September 12, 2013 at 5:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The problem is that when you have an economy that is so twisted that people have to work two to three jobs in order survive, you will have these social problems.

Also, when you have a political system where some immigrants are seen as expendable cheap labor you will see gang problems in abundance.

As long as people of Mexican descent are seen as being different from everyone else, the issues of poverty and self-esteem will continue.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
September 12, 2013 at 5:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)


Contiene "el pueblo" todas laz razas mundial?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
September 12, 2013 at 6:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr. Trujillo -

I am very well aware that some parents, unfortunately, must work more than one job to provide for their family. This is not a new phenomenon to many residents of our community and should not be used as justification by these persons to abdicate their responsibilities as parents. I also understand parents can teach and direct their children to live crime free productive lives but the child will do as they choose.

People that choose to live in America should learn the language, period. What part of "the system" are the people you refer to afraid to encounter? I suspect there are some cops that are racist but I seriously doubt most of the cops on the street are wasting time on patrol looking for "illegals." Does the SBPD Chief even support the arrest of those persons detained only for immigration violations?

What is your source that identifies " Santa Barbara has the highest rate of low level offender deportations in the state?" I read an (old) October 2011 article in the Monterey Herald by Claudia Melendez Salinas identifying immigration/deportation statistics. It was reported "Most immigrants detained and deported in Monterey County under a controversial federal enforcement program have committed no crimes, federal statistics show.

The county has a higher percentage of such cases than other California counties and the U.S. as a whole.

A total of 889 people from Monterey County were detained and deported through the Secure Communities program between April 2010 and August 2011." Again, these are two-year old statistics. Where can I find current information listing Santa Barbara on top?

The gang task force should not be eliminated but should only work in areas/cities that pay for their specialized services. These are the men and women that go out and handle the problem children not dealt with by their parents. Or, if there was an attempt at proper parenting they deal with the child that chose to involve themselves in crime and associate with thugs.

What names should be on the gang injunction list? If the gang injunction list is dominated by Mexicans could it be that the majority of people involved in gang activity are of Mexican descent? It is my understanding those named on the list have been convicted of repeated criminal offenses. Is this not accurate? If I am accurate in my belief repeat offenders are listed how can this be identified as racial profiling? If people in our community are aware of blacks, orientals or persons of other races that are out committing crimes let the cops know who they are. I'm confident most cops could care less who you are or where you come from. If you commit a crime you are most likely going to be arrested. Based on the statistics it appears most of those involved in gang related activities at this time are of Mexican descent.

whatsinsb (anonymous profile)
September 13, 2013 at 12:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If the problem is a handful of these individuals why injunct the whole city? Property values diminish in these areas. The waterfront? Theres probation, parole etc already in place. What happens when gi in place and the police then have a right to harass anybody they think is on the list. Hey they all have brown skin, wear baggy clothes, bald head. They will have a right yo stop anybody. Hows that going to work? Do u have faith in sbpd, i dont! They just shot a guy 5 times that was carrying a knife. Anywhere theres a gang injunction police brutality rates increase and the problem gets worst. Good example is oxnard. Look how many unjustified murders from the police.
A warzone against our youth.

My statistics come from SB county jail. We had a forum about secure communities with tje sherrif. NOT the internet! Do u think undocumented people want to work 3 jobs? Wrong! They would rather be in their hometown. NAFTA took their jobs! The US supplies the cartels all those fancy weapons and $ for war on their own people. Where do u think all the drugs go? Yup good ole USA! The point is that this system is not created for people to live in harmony with each other or our earth. It is created to make money. People have lived in harmony on these lands thousands of years before the colonization. There were no borders. No pollution. Turtle Island.

So, my question is....are you part of the solution or the problem?

cesartrujillo (anonymous profile)
September 13, 2013 at 1:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"People have lived in harmony on these lands thousands of years before the colonization. "

One example of how that statement isn't true.


Also, I will ask the question in English: Does "The Pueblo" mean all the races on planet earth, or just one favored race?

As for NAFTA, I too oppose it.

As for being part of the solution, I try my best by not voting for faux-liberal politicians who support the war on drugs. Where do you stand on this?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
September 13, 2013 at 6:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr. Trujillo -

By choice, I am neither part of the solution or part of the problem relative to the gang issues in our town. I choose to simply state my opinion on this and other issues.

A "gang injunction" will not look good on any neighborhood's resume but I suspect people either know or will make it a point to learn where the problem areas of our city are located. If they can, these areas will be avoided by families capable of affording higher rents in what will likely be lower crime areas. This doesn't eliminate the possibility of anyone getting involved in gang or other criminal activities. As I said before, a person is going to do whatever they choose despite any positive parental influence or where they live.

Police already have the right to stop and detain any person they choose, especially persons on probation or parole subject to a "search and seizure" requirement. This has been in effect for many, many years and I don't believe we are hearing of probationers or parolee's continually being stopped and checked out by police without cause. Abuse or unjustified use of the "search and seizure" requirement by law enforcement could cause this requirement to be eliminated. I suspect cops know this is an excellent tool they have at their disposal and will not want to lose it due to their continual abuse of this tool. For the most part I believe the same analogy will apply to the gang task force. Most officers should have a valid/justifiable reason for stopping any citizen and I believe most could care less about the persons race, color of their skin or on what list their name is noted.

Yes, some people will be stopped and detained by some "badge heavy" and incompetent officers. But, I believe the majority of officers understand their authority to stop people can be restricted or eliminated if this authority is continually abused. Years back, persons suspected of involvement in a crime were questioned and convicted of a crime without being advised of their rights. To eliminate this abuse law enforcement personnel are now required to advise all suspects of their rights before any questioning if they are suspected of involvement in any crime.

I would have more faith in our PD if the upper level staff had more all around law enforcement experience. Leadership is definitely lacking at all supervisory levels at the SBPD. This is evidenced by the same problems that continue to surface. As to the recent officer-involved shooting I believe it's best to wait for the outside investigation to determine the reason(s) this occurred and whether or not it was justified.

whatsinsb (anonymous profile)
September 13, 2013 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Pueblo means people; black, white, orange yellow. Humans!

Should I find the websites that talk about how the europeans gave the indigenous people blankets full of smallpox? Or how the spanish trief to eliminate a culture after they conqured by burning all documents and building on top of temples (tenochtitlan)?

Have u seen that state farm commercial where the lady has a date with a french model she met on the internet?

It is easy to say how a gi will not affect non-latino people. You have not grown up harassed by pd. Walk in our shoes. If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. Ive been working all my life for social justice in sb andwriting some words on a website does nothing!

cesartrujillo (anonymous profile)
September 13, 2013 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Trujillo...your thought process is flawed with no facts or common sense...its this type of emotional nonsense that has not only our fair County by our State in the mess that it is in. Gangsters love the life style...ask them. Their parents, some of them who are very hard working folks cannot or will not have any impact no matter how hard they try. Most of these low life gangsters have parents who were in the same gang and or gang life style...programs...a waste of cash..especially the local gang programs in SB....some that have gangsters running them! The way things are going lately..its a matter of time before this bunch of gangsters get locked up and then it will quiet down until the next brood get old enough to start of life for these fools...I have lived here 40 yrs..I have seen it all...don't believe me...just look at the booking mug shots posted recently over the last two years...mexican gangsters. Whats the answer...their isn't one....cops will continue to do their thankless job, the courts will do theirs etc etc...and liberal minded thinking will continue to have stupid input such as yourself.

Buster97 (anonymous profile)
September 13, 2013 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Cesartrujillo: You answered my question, and I thank you for that.

"Should I find the websites that talk about how the europeans gave the indigenous people blankets full of smallpox? Or how the spanish trief to eliminate a culture after they conqured by burning all documents and building on top of temples (tenochtitlan)?"

Not needed, and once again I find myself confronted by yet another activist who assumes that anyone who isn't involved in their cause is ignorant of history, but that is not the issue. The issue is you painted a utopian image of Pre-Columbian Western Hemisphere life and I merely pointed out that was not the case. Trying to get me off-topic will not work as I will lead us back on-topic.

"Have u seen that state farm commercial where the lady has a date with a french model she met on the internet?"

I have not, fill me in please.

"It is easy to say how a gi will not affect non-latino people. You have not grown up harassed by pd. Walk in our shoes. If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. Ive been working all my life for social justice in sb andwriting some words on a website does nothing!"

I'm assuming a "gi" is a gang injunction? If that is so, I have always been against the gang injunction, as my previous posts indicate. Next topic: Yes, I have been harrassed by cops a number of times for DAN (driving at night) Got arrested when I was 17 for supposedly having a stolen car, but the cops were one number off on the license plate. Again, if you didn't make assumptions about me you'd know I hit much closer to the root than many self-aggrandizing (as well as true believing) white liberals and Latino activists, but striking at the cause isn't politically correct.

Finally, if writing words on a website does nothing, why are you doing it? Oh yes, because you realize it's probably the best way to exchange ideas. Incidentally, I'm also against the war on drugs, which fuels a lot of the gang problem, and as I mentioned, I'm against NAFTA, and i speak out on these things. What I'm not, is a guilt-ridden self-loathing person who is going to apologize for what someone did to your ancestors.

Often those who cry the loudest about racism and bigotry are those who practice it. Stop your groupthink mentality and see everyone as individuals and you might be suprised at the friends you make.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
September 13, 2013 at 6:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

@Buster9: While I won't dismiss Trujillo entirely becaise he has made some good points, I *will* point out that a lot of what you see in today's
"progressive" movement is not *true* liberalism. Making assumptions about people because they are of a different race, (such as assuming we know nothing about slavery, or the genocide in the Western Hemisphere) is not about raising people up or bringing people together.

Stressing self-reliance through education/assimilation and not re-creating the messianic political approach that has made Mexico a place where people are willing to risk their lives to leave makes more sense than cursing the darkness. Racism will always be there, but throughout American history, those in oppressed groups have learned that rather than expecting it to go away, they have to empower themselves in order to deal with it, but instead we keep going over and over and over about the same things and don't address causes, all the while the city is slapping gang injunctions, cops are harrassing people, and we're going to end up pumping more $$$ into the prison-complex industry.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
September 13, 2013 at 6:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

One last thing (for now anyway) the gang injunction WILL affect non-Hispanics. Look at the big picture: The Patriot Act, the National Defense Authorization Act, more anti-gun laws, more anti-drug possesion laws, it's all part of the same deal where the government encroaches on ALL of us.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
September 13, 2013 at 6:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Looks like Clausen and Trujillo only care about the human race but in abouit 100 years when the sea levels rise they will care plenty about us when we swim in with the tide and flap our fins all up and down Haley street. The day of the dolphin, mark it on your calender, fishing docks on Anampumu.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
September 13, 2013 at 7:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well the week-end is here....let's see how many gangbanger stabbings/shootings we will have.

zuma7 (anonymous profile)
September 13, 2013 at 8:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Might as well keep an eye out for "excessive force" issues
involving the PD while looking for problems we are likely to read about in the next few days.

whatsinsb (anonymous profile)
September 13, 2013 at 9:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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