G.H.W. (left), G.W., and Jeb Bush at the christening ceremony of the <em>George H.W. Bush</em> Nimitz-class supercarrier in 2006.

G.H.W. (left), G.W., and Jeb Bush at the christening ceremony of the George H.W. Bush Nimitz-class supercarrier in 2006.

Do We Really Want Hillary or Another Bush Presidency in 2016?

Monday, September 16, 2013
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Former Florida governor Jeb Bush is sounding like he’ll be a candidate for president in 2016. Brother of our 43rd president, G.W. Bush, and son of our 41st president, G.H.W. Bush, Jeb thinks he has broader vision of where our country needs to change and grow.

I think I can practically guarantee that no matter what he believes he can bring to the table, American voters are not interested in seeing another Bush polarize and divide Capitol Hill, ushering a return of the gridlock and stalemates that plagued his brother’s presidency. Why is Jeb’s “broader vision” so blind to the fact that having a third Bush in the White House would be highly toxic knowing that Capitol Hill will always be a place where Congress stands ever ready to argue the time of day if it will prevent him from accomplishing anything on his agenda?

So read my lips, while Jeb’s views aren’t extreme or out of the mainstream of political thought, Americans will never warm up to the thought of a Bush family dynasty having a hold on the presidency for a potential 20 years altogether.

Equally disconcerting is the looming candidacy of Hillary Clinton.

Speculation is growing that she’s gaining political and financial support if she decides to jump into the 2016 race. Of course she’ll have to deal with former President Bill Clinton influencing her grip on the reins of power, and she’ll need to address her scandalous cover-up and mishandling of the terrorist attack at Benghazi, which cost our Libyan ambassador and three other Americans their lives while Hillary and Obama ignored repeated memos and calls for increased security. Not to mention that Hillary blamed the Benghazi attack on an inconsequential video produced by an obscure and unknown professor who remains under arrest for publishing his anti-Islam video.

With her checkered past, Hillary has three years to climb the mountain and ascend to the Democratic Party’s top spot. Time will tell what she’s made of, if she can indeed overcome her scandal plagued record and win the nomination and the election.

So, between the Bushes and the Clintons, we have three former presidents, and we have Hillary and Jeb waiting in the wings eying a run for the White House, hoping to join the political royalty afforded presidents. Do we really think putting another Bush or another Clinton in the White House will be good for the country?

With America’s population well in excess of 315 million, surely we can find and elect someone other than a Bush or a Clinton to occupy the White House! We have a well educated citizenry from which we should draw an ample slate of proven and skilled leaders who possess the statesmanlike qualities and characteristics that will enable them to lead and govern the nation.

The question is whether anyone capable and strong enough to be president is willing to put themselves thru the ordeal of a two-year campaign to be elected to the toughest job on the planet. Is such a person really out there? I think not!

Why would any sane person want it?

Which explains why every four years we’re stuck voting for career politicians, political has-beens and dinosaurs who have name recognition but seem incapable of crafting any new or positive ideas to solve our nation’s economic and social problems.

The problem is not just the creation of a Bush or Clinton presidential dynasty, but it is also antithetical to our founding principles, which envisioned average citizens temporarily giving up their careers to serve the country for one or two terms in office and then returning to private lives to resume their careers as ordinary citizens —all the wiser but certainly not richer.

To prevent the establishment of a ruling class aristocracy in America, it’s time we consider a constitutional amendment to require the passing of one generation of 40 years before a member of the same family can run for Congress or the White House. Our Founding Father’s view was that aristocracies and accumulated powers concentrated in the hands of a few posed a threat to the freedoms and rights guaranteed by the Constitution. Public service was never contemplated to be a life-long career or a family business. Nor did it embrace family dynasties increasing their wealth by holding onto the seats of power, passing the torch forward from one generation to the next.

Such an amendment would restore and preserve the integrity and trust that should be ascribed to elected office. While it is our patriotic duty to serve our government in some capacity, it is even more patriotic to step aside after an established period of service and pass the reins of power and leadership to the next ordinary citizen who chooses to contribute his or her skills and experience in the service of government and the nation.

No person or family should hold the power of office for more than one or two terms. Limiting government service in this way prevents the acquisition of executive or legislative power in the hands of those who hold office for purposes other than ensuring the common good and fairly representing the needs and views of the people who elected them.

Serving in our elected government should never be for the express purpose of accumulating power and control over the electoral, legislative, and governing process to such a degree that our leaders are rewarded with vast opportunities to accumulate wealth and create powerful dynasties.

The passing of political and government powers through lines of succession within wealthy, aristocratic families establishes a royal class that is blatantly anti-democratic, anti-American, and unconstitutional. Placing the power of the presidency in the hands of an emerging dynasty led by either Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton would be yet another nail driven into the heart of the principles of democracy and freedom that have kept America the shining symbol of hope for all those who yearn to be free!

Randy Haslam is a retired accountant who has lived in Carpinteria for 23 years.


Independent Discussion Guidelines

Public service was never contemplated to be a lifelong endeavour? Done right, I have no problem with that. No problems with a Hillary Clinton presidency either.

The salary of the President is ~$400K per year, a mere pitance in corporate America.

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
September 16, 2013 at 9:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How will we keep Chevron or Goldman Sachs from running their puppet candidates each term? You can change the name every four years, but that doesn't mean they're going to behave any differently.

Georgy (anonymous profile)
September 16, 2013 at 10:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

good ideas in this piece, and it tries for solutions. However, when writing about ways "To prevent the establishment of a ruling class aristocracy" -- we have one already. Technological titanism + rule of the 1% and banks + apathy of the general public + a decayed education system = the financial oligarchy we have right now. As Paul Krugman has shown, 95% of the "recovery" since 2008 has gone to the 1%. There it is.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
September 16, 2013 at 10:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Vote if you may but I won't! I have NO faith in our Leadership of this Country, it has been a failure time and time again and since we only have the clones to throw their hats into the ring, it is still the same old, same old song on the broken record of National Presidential Disappointment!

dou4now (anonymous profile)
September 16, 2013 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

well, OK dou4, but you surrender your important right to vote, to call your Rep., to howl since you did vote...

DrDan (anonymous profile)
September 16, 2013 at 1:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't want another Clinton or Bush presidency. What I am going to do is put my blind allegiance behind any newcomer the Democrat or Republican political machine presents, ignore the fact that their politics are not in any way significantly different from the mainstream politics of Clinton/Bush/Feinstein/McCain/etc, and immerse myself in blissful ignorance as they get elected and continue to chew up what is left of of constitutional rights--just as America had done with the election of Obama.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
September 16, 2013 at 2:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Two Criminal Families

Prescott Bush (George W. Bush' Grandfather) helped Hitler rise to power and even helped Germany during WWII up until some of his assets were seized in 1942 under the "Trading With the Enemy Act". He helped provide Germany with steel and oil, without which it would have been very difficult for Germany to become militarily dominant. Much of the Bush family fortune came from bringing Hitler to power in Germany and helping them during the war.

George H.W. Bush was involved in Iran-Contra where the US secretly sold weapons to Iran and used the profits to fund the Contras in South America, as well as running cocaine to the US to help fund the Contras. There is also some evidence that George H.W. Bush was involved in the Kennedy assassination and many speculate he could have even been the "second gunman" on the grassy knoll.

George W. Bush oversaw the Presidency while his administration helped plan and carry out the terrorist attacks on 9/11/01 and blame it on a rag tag organization called Al Qaeda run by Osama Bin Laden, a cartoon character looking antagonist who lives in a cave. Al Qaeda is actually not run by Osama Bin Laden, it is an extreme Muslim faction that is funded and infiltrated head to toe by Saudi, US and Israeli intelligence operatives and used to destabilize governments and cause false flag terror attacks that can be blamed on others.

The Clinton Family is almost worse in some ways, if you can believe that..

It started when Bill was Governor of Arkansas. He helped his friend and then CIA director George H.W. Bush smuggle in cocaine from South America into an airport at Mena, Arkansas. The money was laundered through Hillary Clinton's Rose Law Firm via the IBBC. One day, two teenage boys were out in the woods near Mena, AK near the airport smoking a joint and were run over by a train. It was ruled 'stoners run over by train', until a lawyer found out that the bodies were actually wrapped up in a giant tarp and were dead before being thrown onto the tracks. He was killed. Then family members. I think after the incident was over about a dozen people ended up being murdered just to hide what had happened to these poor boys who had apparently witnessed a drug drop or a drug deal or something out in the woods that day.

In fact, that's just the beginning. The Clinton body count has dozens if not hundreds of individuals, they were ruthlessly protecting themselves or ruthlessly being protected during their ascension to power.

Why is it that the most powerful people have such skeletons? Because that is the only way the establishment is able to control them. Bill or Hillary can't just come out and tell people the truth even if they wanted to. Neither can Bush Jr or Sr., they can be thrown under the bus immediately. They are dispensable and they know it.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
September 16, 2013 at 4:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here is a great article on the connection between the Bush family and the Kennedy assassination, for those who think I'm just making things up.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
September 16, 2013 at 4:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)


You are certainly seem to be living up to your name today.

Randy is a very thoughtful guy but his letter is little more than a hit and run piece against Hillary's candidacy.

She will be the best prepared candidate for President we have ever had and certainly one of the smartest as well yet electing her as the first female President will not be easy even with such credentials because of tactics such as this which are simply desperate attempts to undermine her chances

I find electing a female to this office to be a bigger hurdle than the election of a President of color was in electing Obama in 2008.

Gender discrimination not only widely exists in all of business and society today (as does racial discrimination of course) but it is not yet as universally eschewed and opposed as is racial discrimination

Hillary wining the Presidency in 2016, which she will most certainly do if she choose to run, will do much to assist in the important battle for gender equality and advance the cause of women everywhere.

RobEgenolf (anonymous profile)
September 16, 2013 at 5:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

loonpt - more of the same:
From 1993 to 2000,George Bush served on the board of Securacom (since renamed Stratesec).
The chairman of the board of Stratesec is Wirt D. Walker III, a cousin of Marvin and George W. Bush.
Securacom had contracts to provide security for Dulles International Airport (the airport from which American Airlines Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon, originated) and the World Trade Center in New York. Securacom's backers include a number of Kuwaitis through a company called KuwAm Corp (Kuwaiti-American Corp.). Stratesec also has Saudi investors.
Walker also serves as a managing director of KuwAm, which maintains offices within the Watergate complex along with Riggs Bank, on whose board Bush's uncle, Jonathan Bush, sits. Saudi Princess Haifa al Faisal, the wife of Saudi Ambassador to the US Prince Bandar, used a Riggs account to funnel money to Omar al Bayoumi and Osama Basnan, two Saudi students in California associated with two of the 911 hijackers. Until November 2002, Bush served on the board of HCC Insurance Holdings, Inc. (formerly Houston Casualty Company), a re-insurer for the World Trade Center. Bush still serves as an adviser to the firm.
Walker serves as chief executive officer of Aviation General, an aircraft company backed by KuwAm. Aviation General, formerly Commander Aircraft, brokered the sale of airplanes to the National Civil Aviation Training Organization (NCATO), located in Giza, Egypt, the hometown of lead hijacker Mohammed Atta. NCATO is the only civilian pilot training school in Egypt. NCATO has a training agreement with Embry-Riddle University in Daytona Beach, Florida, the flight school that was investigated by the FBI for possibly training at least one of the 911 hijackers.

A Houston businessman who worked closely with the Bush family over the years confided that Marvin Bush and Wirt Walker appear to have taken over the Saudi real estate investment and aircraft brokerage business once run out of Texas by Houston-based James Bath in association with Salem bin Laden, the late brother of Osama bin Laden, and Khalid bin Mahfouz.
The source, who has dealt personally with the Bush family in Houston for a number of years, said there should be skepticism when looking at bizarre deaths like that of Champagne.

Marvin Bush,...

14noscams (anonymous profile)
September 16, 2013 at 5:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Do I remind you of an aquatic bird, Rob?

Obstruction of Justice - The Mena Connection

Bush (Head of CIA), Bush (VP), Bush (VP), Bush (Pres), Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Bush II, and then Clinton AGAIN?? Really Rob? Do you think that is what the Founding Fathers intended for our country, a dynasty run by royal criminal families?

I can't figure out what is worse - the people who run these criminal dynasties for their own benefit or people who don't even care enough to figure out what is going on yet continue to vote for their tyranny so they can reign over the rest of us.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
September 16, 2013 at 5:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As a registered Democrat , it pains me to diss Hilary. Her time as a Senator , and then her unremarkable stint as Sec. Of State further exposed her hawkish tendencies. Nope , no war hawk will get my vote , at least not in the primaries.

geeber (anonymous profile)
September 16, 2013 at 6:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

@RobEgenoff: In what way would Clinton's being elected have a significant effect on gender discrimination? Has Obama's election had a significant effect on racial discrimination? Also, by saying her election would change things, you are saying that Obama has failed to change gender discrimination.

Also, does her support of the Patriot Act and (I'm assuming by her silence) her support of the National Defense Authorization Act, as well as her support of the War On Drugs seems at odds with her supposedly progessive politics?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
September 16, 2013 at 8:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Clausen, it's EgenoLF, not EgenoFF.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
September 16, 2013 at 8:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I guess you got me there Dolphinpod. My apologies to Mr. Egenolf. I should have had my glasses on.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
September 16, 2013 at 8:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That was one of the more cynical opinions I've ever read.

Num1UofAn (anonymous profile)
September 17, 2013 at 11:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

We've had more than enough criminal Bush's in the WH and America would consider adding another? Please. The Republican ideology is rapidly vanishing, if it ever existed, as stated, in the first place.

People are refuting and laughing at the End -of-the-World Chicken Little cries of a party whose leaders would have us live in some illusory world of a pretend-Puritanical 50's-black-&-white fiction that never existed in the first place and seeing it for what it is: sound & fury signifying nothing.

But I also never underestimate the collective stupidity of the American people. And I never underestimate the bald-faced shenanigans these political criminals will pull-off in order to steal power as Bush43 did in BOTH of his elections.

We need true, moral, selfless civil servants, statesmen who place country before mindless ideologies and political subterfuge whose only end is the seizing and milking of power for the sake of GREED.

Whoever is "elected" as the national mouthpiece for our nation, my hope remains that they remember who they work for, that the disparate polarities that deeply divide our nation are irrelevant when dispassionate common sense, sanity, and national social progress are the first considerations in realizing the greater good of our citizens.

At least that's what that old document states, you know, the one that could use some more severe make-overs so that the future can arrive with equal possibility and opportunity for all who wish to test the relevance of that seemingly quaint notion.

Draxor (anonymous profile)
September 18, 2013 at 11:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

In response to the question, (Do we really want Hillary . . .?), the answer is, "Hell, yes!" See and order your bumper sticker, dude.

msvoltaire (anonymous profile)
September 18, 2013 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rob, while I respect your devotion to Hillary I'm afraid you missed the
point.To be fair, I was equally against a Presidential run by Jeb Bush. In regard to my comments about Hillary, I simply repeated what has been reported in the news. Call it a hit and run piece if you so choose but her record is what it is. My point was that allowing the Bushes, Clintons, or ANY family to create a Presidential Dynasty by passing the mantle of presidential power and leadership from one family member to another, no matter what their accomplishments and qualifications may be, is undemocratic and contrary to our country's founding principles. Serving in an "elected office" was never contemplated to be a life-long career or a family business. As a staunch democrat, I would think you would support any effort keep the Presidency and all other elected offices from being controlled be an elite few. "Let democracy preserve and defend opportunity for everyone," should be a mantra we both can

I share your enthusiasm for gender equality by electing a woman as
President. Of the 44 "men" who've served as President, only a handful have shown remarkable abilities and leadership, most have served honorably, and others have failed miserably. At this point in our history I agree that it's time we elect a woman as President. But I just don't agree that Hillary is the best candidate. My commentary expresses my opinion and will have ZERO impact on the success or failure Hillary's run for president in 2016. The sky will not fall if I do not support Hillary!

rmh2701 (anonymous profile)
September 18, 2013 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In what way would her stand on the issues alter the way things are in this country?

Also, can the president alone fix the country? Is the presidency alone to blame for the problems of this country?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
September 18, 2013 at 6:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The really saddening thing to me, is that we waste so much time worrying about who gets elected to the Office of President, but hardly bother at all to investigate what jackasses go to least, it certainly appears that way.

Sure, the Executive office is one person as a third of the Federal government, but that's one against many, that represent the Legislative Branch.

equus_posteriori (anonymous profile)
September 19, 2013 at 8:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

bc is correct - the US is no longer a democracy, we're an authoritarian police state functioning under executive orders that include enforcement by military police that are contract mercenaries.
John Kerry signed the UN arms treaty today, ignoring US senate opposition.
We no longer have a free press or free speech; many journalists, authors, and other whistleblowers have been silenced through arrests and convictions with essentially life-long sentences, or have disappeared or been murdered for publishing information that has no significance other than Obama's intent to conceal US government actions from US citizens.

Stating a belief that 9/11 was a CIA false flag to legitimize the invasion of Afghanistan is an indication of terrorism to be reported to DHS and justification for incarceration in a FEMA detention/death camp;,
BJA flyer;
The first link has a list of suspected terrorist behaviors, and includes libertarian beliefs and belief in "end-time prophesies" . The list has embedded links to government source documents.

Yesterday, Lois Capps was listed as undecided on her vote on further US intervention in Syria. Obama has acknowledged CIA boots on the ground in Syria since May 2013.

US Army FM 3-39.40 Internment and Resettlement Operations (FEMA detention facilities) includes PSYOPS information in Chapter 3 & Appendix K.

I don't think we should allow Syria, false flag events that motivate anti-gun sentiment, Trevon Martin, etc to distract us from impeachment. We really don't want a NWO.

14noscams (anonymous profile)
September 25, 2013 at 6:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The Crown Prince John Ellis Bush may buy his family party's nomination in 2016 and attempt to steal the general election, but the more likely scenario for the Royal Family's Restoration is to promote Prince Jorge P. in 2024 as a fake "Hispanic" identity candidate, and try to emulate Obama's first impression candidacy. They are buying Prince Jorge P. the Texas land commissionership (controls oil and gas leases) next year, and they only have to buy him a Senate seat or the Governorship by at least 2020 to put him in line. Not a hard task.

Hillary seems set to go in 2016, and Chris Christie appear the only Republican with any chance to stop her. A Hillary presidency would make a Jorge P. Arbusto presidency after her even more likely. After 16 years of Democrats and a second Clinton, the public would be more resigned to a third Bush if that is the Republican they are offered, and couple that with those wanting to make a political fashion statement about Hispanics.

Hick (anonymous profile)
October 8, 2013 at 11:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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