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Bleeding from Within


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Is America committing suicide? An unworkable, unaffordable Obamacare has been thrust upon us, the EPA is destroying the coal industry, and our economy is a disaster. The current administration is thumbing its nose at the Constitution and using race to divide and conquer us. Our nation is no longer prosperous, we are loosing our freedoms and we are not respected as a world leader.

Where is the outrage?

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Outrage alone is just destructive. But even worse, remediations require an excited populace (either outraged, or optimistic enuf to act). Our leaders aren't leaders, but imposers. And the citizenry largely shrugs. I think we probably need to hit bottom, and then want more for Christmas than our former front teeth. A wise janitor once told me "Man was made for adversity. Affluence just rots us." Hello, here it comes! Disaster may be the only door to economic and moral redemption. Well, unless we demand and get public campaign financing, forcing the politicians to work for... us. But public campaign financing would hurt the interests of incumbent pols and the mass media, who are the gods who alone can grant us permission to "think," so good luck with that! Is anyone optimistic enuf to give it a try?

http://www.publicampaign.org/

Adonis_Tate (anonymous profile)
September 25, 2013 at 6:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The wise janitor was Kerry Boyd (if memory serves) of southern SLO Co. Props.

Adonis_Tate (anonymous profile)
September 25, 2013 at 7:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The low price of natural gas is killing the coal industry.

Tigershark (anonymous profile)
September 25, 2013 at 12:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The Thorn household must be a barrel o' laffs.

Walter (anonymous profile)
September 25, 2013 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

oh no, the sky is falling: Obama care is almost here. I for one can't wait! Imagine, at least another 20 million Americans will get health care.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
September 25, 2013 at 3:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry, I forgot to be outraged.

Next.

John_Adams (anonymous profile)
September 25, 2013 at 3:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just curious: Did you watch all 21 plus hours of your clown prince Cruz on CPAN?
Talk about people losing respect for our political process.
Have to say, I prefer the missives from the missus.
They're even more fun to read with all their allusions to Marxist Muslims and such. Keep drinking the tea.

zappa (anonymous profile)
September 25, 2013 at 4:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"We are loosing (sic) our freedoms" Not only is critical thinking a challenge to Mr Thorn, but clearly spelling is as well. Next time you write a paragraph long rant please proof read. Memo to the Indy: stop publishing fact free diatribes in the opinion section.

Herschel_Greenspan (anonymous profile)
September 25, 2013 at 4:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You forgot the part about commiting suicide from obesity. Relax and have another cheeseburger.

Georgy (anonymous profile)
September 25, 2013 at 4:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

More may get health care, but how many will either lose their jobs or have their hours cut as a result?

Botany (anonymous profile)
September 25, 2013 at 7:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh crud , another barfy piece by Mr Chicken Little. Good thing the Thorns opinion posts are short or we might fall asleep while reading them. Snore.

geeber (anonymous profile)
September 25, 2013 at 9:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I guess for some of you, the author and his family are....(don't say it)... THORNS in your side.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
September 26, 2013 at 3:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The Thorns give us ample evidence that the Koch Bros./ Murdoch propaganda campaigns are effective at recruiting /indoctrinating the proselytes occupying the fringes of sensibility. Kinda like flys to flypaper.

geeber (anonymous profile)
September 26, 2013 at 6:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr. Thorn: I halfway agree with you. I agree that we are losing our freedoms, but how can you ignore the fact that the Republicans are (along with many Democrats--including the president) complicit in this ongoing shredding of our constitutional rights?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
September 26, 2013 at 6:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Once again the factless. Since some of the provisions of Obamacare were implemented, the increase in medical costs has decreased - that is, they are not going up as fast as they were prior to the early benefits. However, if one listened to the lies spouted in the 21 hour stupid marathon, one would not know it.

The healthcare costs in this country are far more than any other - not only because it is one of the few for-profit systems in the world, but because of the huge profit margin. Obamacare limits that profit to 15% - i.e. more of your and my money is spent on healthcare not healthcare provider's yachts and other excesses.

Obamacare is predicted by the CBO to reduce the deficit. Yep, prior to Obamacare we were really bleeding from within. The majority of personal bankruptcies were from excessive medical costs.

Btw, Canadians do not understand the rant by their ex-Canadian born citizen.

Climate change is another topic for another day.

tabatha (anonymous profile)
September 26, 2013 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

One more thing, as John McCain pointed immediately after the stupid rant - this bill was created and passed in a democratic way. Obamacare was an important topic of the last election, and Obama won. Obamacare was taken all the way to the supreme court; it was not struck down.

What Cruz was trying to do was undemocratic - i.e. because he and a minority did not like it, they were trying to overturn something that was created using all the rules of the constitution. The only person who was being unconstitutional was the Canadian-born senator. And as Jon Stewart pointed out - the hypocrisy of supporting the sequester which is reducing jobs versus claiming that Obamacare will reduce jobs (actually it will not) is probably something most people who do not get information from a variety of sources, will not understand.

Unfortunately, the US is being destroyed from within by the sheer volume of lies and misinformation that many swallow, hook, line and sinker.

tabatha (anonymous profile)
September 26, 2013 at 10:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Canadians don’t understand Ted Cruz’s health-care battle

There’s more. Canadian divisions of multinational firms love Canada’s system because when they bid on projects they have no health costs to load in. Also, there’s no crazy “job lock” as with the employer-based system in the United States — where people with (say) a sick child cling to their job for fear of being pronounced uninsurable. His peers, he says, view the U.S. debate as “ideological and not based on economics.”

The moral of the story? Don’t let the rants of cynical demagogues like Cruz confuse you — it is entirely possible to be a freedom loving capitalist and also believe in a strong government role in health care. Remember, Obamacare features a much smaller such role than does Canada’s approach — or England’s, where Margaret Thatcher would have been chased from office for proposing anything as radically conservative as the Affordable Care Act.

One well-known billionaire told me a few years back that the right answer for the United States was single payer for basic coverage, with the ability for folks to buy additional private supplements atop that. But he won’t say this in public; the gang at the club just wouldn’t understand. Maybe when U.S. business leaders muster the common sense of their Canadian counterparts, they’ll deliver the message the Ted Cruzes of the world need to hear: sit down and shut up.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinion...

tabatha (anonymous profile)
September 26, 2013 at 10:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bots worries about people losing hours or jobs to obama care when it's business owner greed that will be responsible for that. Don worries about respect of the US fist pounding down across the M.E. with delusions of American empire. The only thing you got right Don was the losing freedoms rant but you botched that up as well.

spacey (anonymous profile)
September 26, 2013 at 3:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

@dolphinpod14

"I guess for some of you, the author and his family are....(don't say it)... THORNS in your side."

Would that make them pricks?

equus_posteriori (anonymous profile)
October 3, 2013 at 12:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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