Congressmember Capps to Host Gender Equality Discussion

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Studies show women in Santa Barbara County still lag behind men in terms of income rates and holding elected positions. To discuss this issue, Congressmember Lois Capps will host a forum featuring influential Santa Barbara women — SBCC President Dr. Lori Gaskin (who will moderate), SBCC History Department Chair Danielle J. Swiontek, Orfalea Foundation Vice President Catherine Brozowski, and Women’s Economic Ventures CEO Marsha Bailey — this Saturday afternoon.

Despite the fact that society has taken strides toward gender equality, work remains to be done, Capps believes. Though more than 50 percent of voters in the county are women, only 30 percent of elected officials are females. And although overall education levels are higher for women, they earn 81 cents to the male’s dollar (and make up 39 percent of the work force) in the county.

“We must empower women to be leaders in our community — in our classroom, in our homes, in politics, and in our businesses,” Capps said. The event will be held Saturday from 1:30 - 3 p.m. at Santa Barbara City College’s Wake Center (300 N. Turnpike Ave.).


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Will Ms. Capps explain to Kelsey Brugger and attendees of this event that the 81 cents to the dollar changes to 96 cents if they factor in:

1. Length of time in the workforce (experience) on par with men
2. # of hours spent per week at the office

or will both Ms. Capps and various Indy staff cowardly and brazenly continue to mis-inform the public in order to serve gender-politics agenda that ultimately are about income redistribution and the destruction (or heavy curtailing) of capitalism?

BTW: the last 4 cents can be equalized with:
3. A willingness to be as aggressive as men are about asking for salary increases and
4. Taking the same number of days off/sick days/yr as men (which requires more daycare or more help with kids from fathers).

4 cents of *actual* disparity due to (a) a choice to have kids and (b) a choice to not ask for a raise in the same way men do does not seem to be cause for a national uproar and "forums" at the Wake center. Instead, it's the cost of personal decisions, freely made.

realitycheck88 (anonymous profile)
April 24, 2014 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hi, my name is Suzy Q.

I graduated college with honors and a BA in literature. My passion is non-profits although after five years of doing that my passion now is raising our two little ones until they turn 5, which will be next year (my first is now 7, so technically it's been 7 years since I have been out of the workforce).

How do I do it? Easy! My husband works 60-70 hours a week and I volunteer at the library between driving my kids to MyGym and grocery shopping.

I'm so glad to see that we're gonna pass laws, march in the streets and hold "forums" at the Wake center to give me equal pay because even though I'm a lit major, had kids by choice and can't work full time, I'm going into the world of finance next year and need to get equal pay immediately - even though the guy next to me (he was a business and econ double major in college) has been there for 10 years and works something like 70 hours a week.

Oh, I also need every other Friday off and will probably use all my sick days + gotta be in late (around 10am) on Tuesdays.

Gender equality now! Equal pay for equal work! Stop the war on women! Gender equality now!

realitycheck88 (anonymous profile)
April 24, 2014 at 3:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OK Realitycheck, you asked for it:

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
April 24, 2014 at 6:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Steve Pribut said:
With the status of women in society of years gone by and the persistence of lingering vestiges of sexism still rampant in Western civilization (and more hostile and overt globally)"

The first two comments certainly display the "persistence of lingering vestiges of sexism still rampant" clearly and without doubt.

The saying is "equal pay for equal work", please note. The above comments ignore that completely. Women's pay should not depend upon the aggressiveness in asking for a raise - it should be commensurate with performance and qualification only. And I speak from experience of one who has been paid both equally and unequally in science, with very few sick days, much overtime and family responsibilities.

"In 2009, women received a majority of the degrees awarded in biological and biomedical sciences, from associate to Ph.D., and earned 53 percent of the doctorates, according to The Chronicle's Almanac of Higher Education. Those numbers do not include the health professions and related clinical sciences, where the disparity is even more female-biased: 59 percent of all Ph.D.'s in those areas went to women."

realitycheck 's sarcastic bias concluded that SuzyQ was only capable of a degree in literature. Once again, realitycheck's name is a misnomer, and as the saying goes sounds like a bitter old woman.

tabatha (anonymous profile)
April 25, 2014 at 1:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

agree tabatha, and only 20% of US Senate is female, and so on. On most performance criteria for young Americans [SAT scores, GRE scores, LSAT scores, BA and BS degrees awarded...] young American females are absolutely DOMINANT and this disparity Ms. Capps worries about is quickly disappearing.
realitycheck88's comments unfortunately encapsulate a growing feeling among many men (NOT my feeling), and it isn't positive for men or women, thus the gender equity movement might want to slow its rhetoric.../? Isn't the biggest issue breaking the glass ceiling at the top (this may be a 1% issue at base)? Or perhaps the gals should just enjoy the" brazen" stomping of men that reality88 incorrectly refers to?
AGREE with reality88 when he mentions that he fears gender-politics actually "are about income redistribution and the destruction (or heavy curtailing) of capitalism?" I certainly hope so! And for all identity groups including gender, disability, religious, elderly, children, racial and so on let's hope there's more equality.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
April 25, 2014 at 12:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Like much of this kind of talk, this discussion is a farce unless equal time, effort, and space is used to also acknowledge that there are many social and professional scenarios where woman are clearly at an advantage. Is this about grabbing votes or about reality. I see the legitimacy of most of what is being discussed but clearly this is a one sided effort and I cannot support this as it is presented. What is important is quality of life, more than career and politics. Just to get you started on a level track, for instance which gender is called upon when a literally back breaking job needs to be done. Go to a department store. Who is behind the building inhaling dust off concrete floors and filthy cardboard boxes. Then look who's inside shopping the clean glittered environment. This is an example of wide spread mistreatment of men. If the discussion doesn't even hint about this wide spread issue, it is like i suggest. A Farce.

The men are often too polite to speak out about this so it doesn't seem like a popular argument but it is very real and ladies rally for having it both ways. Hopefully some better thinkers will consider what women already have.

jazzifier (anonymous profile)
April 25, 2014 at 12:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Women's pay should not depend upon the aggressiveness in asking for a raise - it should be commensurate with performance and qualification only." - Tabatha

What are you going to do, write another law?

loonpt (anonymous profile)
April 25, 2014 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

loon's right-more laws and lawsuits!
According to Dr Dan the vast majority of our population has a collective beef and should be compensated.

garfish (anonymous profile)
April 25, 2014 at 1:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jazzafier is so right, it is a farce, disingenuous and wrong ( from a humanitarian point of view) to continue to be stuck on the "short changed women" issue without looking at how we have arrived at where we are at from a larger historical/economic/cultural perspective. Sadly I see too many Politicians, Academics and people with influence who seemingly are unable to see the facts clearly, and like Capps are seeking votes or worse instilling hatred and bigotry.

I drive by the day labor line on a regular basis and the last thing I think is how "powerful the patriarchy is" as I look at the desperate men there, eagerly waving and jumping out, attempting to get any form of manual labor, often so they can send it back to females ( and their children who they barely know ) who stayed behind in Mexico.

yendopostal (anonymous profile)
April 25, 2014 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Some of the pay differential can be attributed to how disagreeable or physically difficult a job is. It's difficult to compare a social worker to a police officer, or a receptionist to a plumber. People in the EXACT same job usually get almost the same pay. The vast majority of the 19¢ per hour pay difference is due to type of job men and women usually are in.

Botany (anonymous profile)
April 25, 2014 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

no garfish, I was gently trying to insinuate that EVERYONE is in this or that "special group", gender, race, etc. Without rancor, we have to be careful or we'll have to fix everything by government fiat, and clearly that isn't possible.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
April 25, 2014 at 6:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

loon's right-more laws and lawsuits!
According to Dr Dan the vast majority of our population has a collective beef and should be compensated.

garfish (anonymous profile)
April 25, 2014 at 1:26 p.m.

This you tube video is an example of what happens when compensation mentality gets out of hand. WARNING: There are lots of four-letter words uttered, if you are offended by foul language, do not listen to this video.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
April 25, 2014 at 6:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here is a fun job that anyone can do.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
April 25, 2014 at 6:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There is an irony the gender issue: Our congressional representative is a women, our mayor, (as almost all the mayors of recent years) is a woman, our state assembly representative is a woman, both our Senators are wo

On the greater scale. For being such a bigoted, W.A.S.P. country, it's curious that we have a black president--elected by comfortable majorities in two elections. Tom Roberts--former Santa Barbara city council member, is (and was when elected) openly gay. A number of our local representatives as well as on the state and national level are Jewish and Catholic. There are a number of non-Christians in office. Curiously, there are few Hispanics.

OK, so what is the REALy issue here? Did Obama's election to office solve the problems affecting Blacks? (Answer: "No") If Hillary Clinton is elected president, will that solve the problems affecting women?...

What about all those homeless people freezing on the streets of progressive paradise Santa Barbara? What about waiters/waitresses working their fingers to the bone and barely squeaking by? What about those of us who have to commute because we've been forced out of Santa Barbara by economics? (Hint: I'm male) What about dem Dodgers?

Meanwhile, the people hosting these forums and studies don't have to wait on tables, clean toilets, or schlep heavy objects around. Must be nice.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
April 25, 2014 at 7:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Both our senators are women". I don't know why "women" cut off. Maybe it was a Freudian Slip where I didn't want to say "men"...

billclausen (anonymous profile)
April 25, 2014 at 7:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

When can we expect Ms. Capps to write a letter and hold a forum called "Men Need a Healthcare Agenda"?

+ Men die many years earlier than women, normalized for war.
+ Men see less than 1/8th of medical research spending
+ Men work in much more physically hazardous occupations.
+ Men have the same rates of prostate cancer as women's breast cancer but much less awareness, funding to prevent, etc.

Stop the war on men!
Stop discriminating against men, forcing them to do more hazardous jobs!
Hold a forum!

realitycheck88 (anonymous profile)
April 29, 2014 at 12:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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