Tea Party on Parade

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I was horrified to see the Santa Barbara Tea Party in the July 4th parade. It was reported that Paul Lamberton, president of the Spirit of ‘76 Foundation, denied a permit to the Veterans for Peace because our parade is not a political event. Then why bestow a permit on the Santa Barbara Tea Party? He has recently lauded the Tea Party in a speech. He has no right to use our parade to make his political statement. He should lose his job. I was very upset by this outrage, and so were the majority of people around me. Get a new Parade Coordinator!


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Tea Partier Lamberton has a stranglehold on the parade because he spearheads fundraising. It's a despicable situation and is the reason we chose to skip it this year. The disrespect shown by these Tea Party zealots, to a group of Vietnam Nam veterans who actually served their country when called, is a disgrace that should not be allowed to happen.
How many of those Tea Party marchers are veterans ?

geeber (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 4:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tea Partiers like Lamberton and Don Thorn are basically pseudo-Patriots who TALK patriotism but don't truly love the land of the free; fire Lamberton from his position!

DrDan (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 6:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr. Lamberton: Would you care to respond?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 6:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh teh Culpepper it burnz!

Herschel_Greenspan (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 7:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am not a member of the Santa Barbara Tea Party. Once again,
the people on the left spread lies. What is wrong with people
carrying the USA flags? Also, the SBTP is an educational group.

Don Thorn

thethorns4 (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 8:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

thethorns4 (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 8:18 a.m.
"Also, the SBTP is an educational group."

Yeah, so was the Deutsches Jungvolk (trying to keep that well-known "law" from being applied) , but thanks for the laugh of the day from the dimwitted right.
There's _nothing_ inherently wrong with carrying flags, but when those same people doing so espouse neo-racist ideologies and prevent other groups with far better bona fides from participating, well, there you have a problem.
Of course, you won't see that.

zappa (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 8:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Typical Don Thorn bullsh!t since YOU and your charming spouse Diana have styled yourselves as part of the Tea Party or ..lower case "tea party movement" in numerous posts:
here's a ref to one from 2010 in this online paper
where Diana Thorn writes gleefully vs. Obama "...led by the grass-roots-driven tea party movement..." -- what, your spouse is a member but you aren't? C'mon now, Don, fess us about your deception. And the SBTP, Santa Barbara Tea Party, is certainly far more than an "educational group"! What horse-crap! At least stand up for your views, fella.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 8:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It is completely inappropriate to have the Trash Party marching in a nonpartisan parade.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 8:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The Tea Party group looked sharp and presented a very welcome sight at the local 4th of July parade. Lower the volume of your "horrified ...outrage", Gale. Best if you stop swilling Leftist lies about the Tea Party. There is nothing political about any group that supports smaller government, lower taxes, less regulation, more personal responsibility and taking pride that trust and integrity are key elements of the continued grand experiment of American exceptionalism brought forth in this country after the Revolutionary War. That was the whole point of the July 4th parade..

JarvisJarvis (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sounds like Jarvis is sweet on Lamberton, "looked sharp " eh Why aren't other political groups allowed to march in the parade? Hypocrisy much?
The parade needs to be NONpartisan.
The Modern Day Tea Partier was yesterday's Red Coat.
The Tea Party's patriotism is all on their sleeve, they're generally ignorant of law and history and are too dumb to know they're puppets.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 9:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Nothing partisan about the Tea Party. They are both sincere and necessary at this time of historical revisionism now rampant in our non-partisan K-12 public education system. Regret you remain misinformed about Tea Party principles.

JarvisJarvis (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 9:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

While there is no one official Tea Party, this website provides information about common issues:

Small government and tax reform is not partisan. Nor should it even be threatening.

JarvisJarvis (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A Tea Partier saying there's nothing partisan about the Tea Party proves what I said earlier, they're ignorant. Happy I am informed about current affairs, culture and society.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ha, "small government and tax reform are non partisan." That has to be one of the most asinine comments I have ever seen at the Indy.

Herschel_Greenspan (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 10:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

HG, they have to attempt deception because they've got nothing else, especially in more educated areas as our's.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Educate yourself about 10 non-partisan Tea Party platforms. Stand up and be counted or explain why partisan groups want the opposite of these 10 principles.

JarvisJarvis (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Am I the only one here who thinks that both groups should have been allowed to participate in the parade? I think they are both highly appropriate.

The Tea Party generally believes in returning to our Constitutional roots as a nation as the Founding Fathers who helped free our nation intended.

Our Founding Fathers also intended that we stay away from foreign entanglements and not become a military empire, so I believe the Founding Fathers would support both the Tea Party and Veterans for Peace.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 11:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There was a Vietnam veterans group with a crowd pleasing, towed helicopter and the Year without War group, plus other US military displays. Lots of groups and lots of variety, including elected officials. City council marched and county supervisors spent carbon footprints riding. Corvettes and Porsche club drivers too. Antique cars and young drill teams and acrobats.

JarvisJarvis (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"American exceptionalism" ... is ideological hogwash. Dogma often used to push extremist/nationalist agendas.

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 11:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Constitutional roots ... as seen through their own filters of course!

Most Americans have an extremely poor understanding of the Constitution skewed by moneyed and shouting voices:

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 11:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Particularly the tenth amendment.

The federal government utilizes revenue sharing to get around the provisions of that amendment and challenges to federal control have rarely been upheld by SCOTUS.

Botany (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

'There is nothing political about any group that supports smaller government, lower taxes, less regulation...' there's some anti American Exceptionalism for ya! No wonder Jarvis sees problems in the education system, can't even make sense with a sentence. Taxes, small government, what's political about that?
Now Porches and acrobats, that's American Exceptionalism! USA!

spacey (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

American exceptionalism - see the movie "America" if you cannot positively articulate what that word means.

JarvisJarvis (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well EastBeach I completely agree with you about American Exceptionalism, in fact I think our country is a violent military empire used as a tool by the elite for their own profit and control of the world. We have more prisoners in this country than the rest of the world combined and most of them are non-violent drug offenders. That is not freedom, that is tyranny and nothing to celebrate. In fact, I think it is pretty dumb to even celebrate the 4th of July, we are not independent from anything, the banks completely control our country and our government.

The people who understand the Constitution the least are the politicians in Washington. The Tea Party, generally, has a much better understanding of the Constitution.

Aggressive wars and military occupations are unconstitutional.

The Patriot Act and NDAA are unconstitutional

The Federal Reserve is unconstitutional

Spying on citizens is unconstitutional

Federal healthcare mandates are unconstitutional

Federal income tax is unconstitutional

Federal gun restrictions are unconstitutional

loonpt (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 12:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Marching in the 4th of July parade with their own float, ACLU handed out free copies of the US Constitution.. Good to keep this contract with America close at hand that undergirds the term American exceptionalism. Think history, not hysteria.

JarvisJarvis (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For its 200 year plus history, America is one of the least violent countries on the planet.

JarvisJarvis (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 12:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The tea party has to call itself "educational" so they can get tax exempt status.

taz (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 12:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Contemporary politics has no place in the community 4th of July parade. You can honor our history and cover those bases: i.e. pictures of Reagan, FDR. Honor great American artists and scientists but contemporary political parties, organizations are inappropriate because once you include one, you have to include all and before you know it you'll have all sortsa kooks in the parade.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 12:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

10 Reasons America Will Be Judged as the Most Brutal Empire in History

1. Support of Dictators: For all the happy talk of spreading Democracy and protecting human rights, the empire has repeatedly not only supported dictators, but in many cases overthrew popularly elected leaders and replaced them with puppet tyrants. Examples range from secretly funding the Nazis, to installing the Shah in Iran, Pinochet in Chile, supporting Musharraf in Pakistan, and their everlasting love affair with the brutal Saudi royal family, to name a few. Actions speak louder than words to those who can navigate the storm of propaganda with a moral compass set to recognize good from evil. Dictators and freedom cannot coexist.

2. Preemptive Wars of Aggression: It could be said that all wars are preemptive in nature because so many entities benefit from war. Yet, even before America's latest crusades, they covertly and surgically attacked countries that never threatened them. This allowed them to maintain the moral high road in the public's eye while constructing the foundation of their empire. That was until the Bush Doctrine; the use of preemptive military action to confront possible threats was unofficially adopted to be the new foreign policy for combating terror. Since then, America has become the violent aggressors, having officially invaded two countries -- Afghanistan and Iraq -- without legitimate provocation. Violent aggressors have always been judged by history as evil. But it gets worse....

3. Torture: Torture has never been acceptable by those promoting a high moral standing in the global community. Nazis and Japanese soldiers were convicted and executed for engaging in the exact same torture techniques that America has redefined as 'enhanced interrogation'. "I was just following orders," was not a justifiable excuse for such inhumane behavior, much like it wasn't a good enough defense for the low-ranking patsies who took the heat for the sinister Abu Ghraib torture scandal even though their actions were approved at the highest levels. Can state-sanctioned torture of prisoners held without charges ever be viewed as anything less than brutal?


loonpt (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 12:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)


4. Suppression of Dissent: All tyrannical regimes throughout history have suppressed homeland dissent. As government oppression grows bolder at home and abroad, more citizens will naturally express outrage, resulting in even more oppressive controls. This is happening in the United States through the all-seeing eye of the Department of Homeland Security with warrantless spying, arbitrary watch lists, citizen spy campaigns, and TSA molestation to travel anywhere. Additionally, in an attempt to squash free speech, they arbitrarily seize websites and violently confront peaceful protesters. Unfortunately, as awareness of the topics in this very article expands, the U.S. will likely become even bolder in their pursuit of stifling dissent. In other words, the worst is yet to come, and history will judge the U.S. as not quite the beacon of freedom they have pretended to be.

5. Elimination of Habeas Corpus: Say goodbye to the notion of being innocent until proven guilty, the right to face charges and your accuser, and the right to a free and fair trial. Habeas corpus, considered the only humane path to "which a prisoner can be released from unlawful detention," has been eliminated for those vaguely labeled 'enemy combatants' of the empire. As Guantanamo prisoners rot under such pretenses, prominent lawmakers in the empire propose the exact same lack of rights for American citizens if they're labeled an 'enemy belligerent'. Similar to the Spanish Inquisition, now you're guilty until you're tortured to admit your guilt. Can it get more evil? Why yes, it can.

6. Assassinating Citizens: That's right. No judge, no jury, no conviction; just straight to execution. (more at link)

8. Use of Weapons of Mass Destruction: How ironic that the world's policeman for weapons of mass destruction is the only one to use them on a mass scale. The United States is on record using chemical, biological and even nuclear weapons. From the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WWII, to Monsanto's Agent Orange in Vietnam, to the depleted uranium used in Afghanistan and Iraq, America only condemns itself when speaking about the evils of WMDs.


loonpt (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 12:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)


9. World's Largest Drug Dealer: The American empire is the largest drug dealer in the world? Say it isn't so. Well, in addition to forcing legal drugs and genetically modified organisms on nations, usually under the cover of foreign aid, America also leads in the illegal drug trade. In fact, many researchers reveal that the war on drugs is only utilized to control and monopolize the illicit drug trade. The US government has been caught multiple times shipping in cocaine, colluding with certain cartels to control the industry, and now openly protects and transports opium from Afghanistan. In fact, Global Research points out that in 2001, "according to UN figures, opium production had fallen to 185 tons. Immediately following the October 2001 US led invasion, production increased dramatically, regaining its historical levels." This month, the U.N. announced that Afghanistan now provides 93% of the world's opium production; up 61% compared to 2010 to a whopping 5800 tonnes. Although the empire tries to keep it secret, they can't hide the hypocrisy forever.

10. World Reserve Currency Prison: Although using Weapons of Mass Debt is a non-violent form of expanding the empire, it's perhaps the most brutal and effective form of control. Requiring foreign nations to purchase oil and other imported commodities with US dollars wields immense power. Because all nations must acquire dollars to purchase critical resources, they quickly become indebted to the US Federal Reserve, their affiliate central banks, and the IMF. Before long, the entire world is colonized by debt. It seems that only the nations that don't need or refuse credit from Western banking institutions are the ones in danger of facing the wrath of the imperial war machine. Incidentally, most oil-rich nations in the Middle East have outlawed usury (lending money with interest), making them impossible to conquer diplomatically through debt. Controlling the world reserve currency means controlling the tap of life itself, which is a dangerous weapon in the hands of an aggressive empire. Debt is the ultimate WMD the empire uses to enslave the world, which leaves dissidents with two clear choices: slavery or death.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Parade participants:

Is ACLU political?
Is Year Without War political?
Is Sons of the Revolution political?
Is the city council political?
Are the board of supervisors political?
Is the Tea Party political?

JarvisJarvis (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

@loonpt "federal income tax is unconstitutional " it is part of the constitution reference the sixteenth amendment. Please stop th bs lies.

Herschel_Greenspan (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 12:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

America falls short like every other country on the planet when compared to utopia. America remains exceptional when compared realistically. Keep her on her toes, loonpt. Vote wisely.

JarvisJarvis (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 12:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All you leftist anti-Americans should go live somewhere else. I
wonder where that would be? Cuba, China, Russia, the Middle East. Africa,
or South America. Where is their track record of helping others ? No where.

thethorns4 (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 2:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was at the Solvang 4th of July parade. Who was there but Lois Capps and Chris Mitchum. Get over it guys.

Botany (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thorns, based on your complete disrespect for our commander in chief, you are a traitor and a failure as an American. You should have your citizenship revoked and be deported.

Herschel_Greenspan (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 3:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Disrespect for the commander in chief (Barack Hussein Obama) makes one a traitor that requires deportation and revocation of citizenship?

Who knew. Please provide more details that allows this to happen and which countries will accept American detritus.

JarvisJarvis (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 3:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Botany, that seems pretty balanced to have both Mitchum and Capps. The SB parade sounds very skewed and not even in the majority's favor.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 3:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I went to the parade and all I got was this lousy tee-shirt that got me served deportation papers.

How was the parade unbalanced? One Tea Party, one Vietnam veterans group, one ACLU, two car clubs, one acrobat group, two-three high school bands, two bagpipes groups, one Year Without War, one Peace Corp volunteers, 7 progressive elected officials, one group of re-enactment musketeers, one Sons of the American Revolution, one Vandenburg, ...... plus dozens more.

JarvisJarvis (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 3:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"All you leftist anti-Americans should go live somewhere else."

Funny, I'm more conservative politically than even you are.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 4:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lol, we "help" other countries... Ya, we help them install violent dictators who kill and take away the rights of their own citizens and then provide financial and military aid so they can go to war with countries that don't support the globalists' business interests so we can go install dictators there.

Yep, real helpful we are..

And why on earth would I want to go move to another country just so I can be terrorized by the country I already live in?

loonpt (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 4:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

loonpt, you have skills needed at the border right now to discourage even more people from crossing over in to this predatory nation of violence. They will be happier to stay home, which in comparison to your portrayal of life in the US seems like a worker's paradise.

JarvisJarvis (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 4:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

JarvisFOOJarvis, you make little sense & contradict yourself with (first) bragging that "taking pride that trust and integrity are key elements of the continued grand experiment of American exceptionalism" -- then (just above) saying loon has the "skills needed at the border right now to discourage even more people from crossing over in to this predatory nation of violence. "
We are certainly a pretty violent country. The vicious doctrine of "American Exceptionalism" has led us into idiotic foreign invasions (Iraq, Afghanistan) which we do not pay for and load the enormous debt onto our children. Oh yeah, and both ME lands are falling apart partially due to our imperialism based on Jarvis's beloved "American Exceptionalism". I love my country and can see how this nasty Exceptionalism doctrine hurts us very much.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 6:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To me "American exceptionalism" has little if any to do with military conquests* but "good old American know how"; our accomplishments in the Arts, Sciences, and all the nonmilitary challenges we've faced as a nation.

It's the fact we were the first country to transfer leadership from one person to another without a death being involved, our Constitution, and the fact that no matter how high the cards are stacked against us, we can have a realistic hope for a better life if we work for it.

In many countries, including Western European ones you're just stuck where you were born. here we can make our dreams reality.

*I am quite proud (and thankful) we smashed the Nazis and I wasn't even alive, I bet we could do it again but I hope we never have to.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 6:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

my, what a thoughtful response from the Thorns4, "All you leftist anti-Americans should go live somewhere else." This is what you've got? "America love it or leave it?" That's from the 60s! I did my Ft. Benning boot camp, I did my years in ROTC, don't give me this banal kaka.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 7:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

do not agree at all KV. While the USA is "exceptional" in many ways -- our many immigrant groups, size, beauty of the landscapes, food production, Constitution and more -- the term "American Exceptionalism" has often been used to justify invading places and setting ourselves up as "the best". Bush invoked "American Exceptionalism" as his BS theory to invade Iraq, 'cause, see, in his view our exceptional democracy would just fit then perfectly also and then things would be dandy there. They are not dandy there and our institutions don't fit their situation. The idea of American Exceptionalism has been whored into justifying all kinds of nasty stuff: when we waterboard suspects, well hey, we are exceptional so it isn't torture at all... and so on. See

DrDan (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 7:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was just writing what "American Exceptionalism" meant to me, not necessarily anybody else. I realize the jingo crowd has a far different definition to justify their actions.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 7:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ken_Volok gets an A. The US Constitution is a document that was unique in the world at the time of the Founders and widely copied to have become an idealized system of government. Bono in the movie America so passionately describes America as an idea as well as a country. If that thought gives you chills and even a tear in your eye, you get what American exceptionalism is and why it is a positive force in this world.

Each of us is charged with guarding this grand experiment, but first we need to to readily articulate it in order to defend it and make it work even better. We were handed a gift in 1776 when this Nation we now call the United States of America was emerging in its infancy based upon equal justice under the law. Each generation added reality to what was at first only an untested theory.

The US Constitution allowed this Nation to bend when necessary over time, but not yet break. We are still in national infancy compared to other civilizations and empires. it pays to pay attention to what we have and how we can keep it. We are exceptional.

JarvisJarvis (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 7:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Agree KV, and heck yes I think USA is special... I had a chance at one time to continue teaching at Univ. in Germany but...loved it more back home in Calif.
Jarvis, in the wider sense, you are just wrong stating "American exceptionalism is ... a positive force in this world." Your chanted repetition "We are exceptional" rather sounds like the Fuehrer screaming "Deutschland ueber Alles". Many in the ME, Arabs who have studied at US universities, continue to ask why AMERICANS get all these special rights, but they do not. Our wonderful model does NOT work in many areas of the world and misguided (and stupid) efforts to impose it have generally failed. It has worked in the Federal Republic of Germany and in Japan.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 7:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DrDan - The Federal Republic of Germany and Japan are corporations? I don't think so.

More than a little ignorant, JarvisJarvis.

14noscams (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 8:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

14, my ref. was to Jarvis's use of the term "US Constitution" [7/10/14 7:16 pm beginning of his final paragraph, "The US Constitution allowed..."], I never used the term "corporation" nor did Jarvis -- what the heck are you referring to?? Duh, I don't think those governments are "corporations".

DrDan (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 8:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

14, based on your ref the Lisa Guiliani article YOU think the US is a corporation, an unclear term at best. What are you getting at? that the 13 colonies "incorporated" themselves into a federal union?

DrDan (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2014 at 8:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dear Ms Howell

The Tea Party was allowed in the parade because they followed the rules and met the requirements for entry.

Veterans for Peace has repeatedly violated the rules of the parade, mainly by handing out flyers during the parade and not agreeing to follow the rules for future parades.

It's that simple.

No need to be "Horrified" of people and groups that follow the rules.

realitycheck88 (anonymous profile)
July 11, 2014 at 5:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Part of the second link I posted "Acts of the Forty-First Congress, Section 34, Session III, chapters 61 and 62.
On this date in the history of our nation, Congress passed an Act titled: "An Act To Provide A Government for the District of Columbia." This is also known as the "Act of 1871." What does this mean? Well, it means that Congress, under no constitutional authority to do so, created a separate form of government for the District of Columbia, which is a ten mile square parcel of land.
The Congress realized our country was in dire financial straits, so they cut a deal with the international bankers — (in those days, the Rothschilds of London were dipping their fingers into everyone's pie) thereby incurring a DEBT to said bankers.
This corporation, owned by foreign interests, moved right in and shoved the original "organic" version of the Constitution into a dusty corner. With the "Act of 1871," our Constitution was defaced in the sense that the title was block-capitalized and the word "for" was changed to the word "of" in the title. The original Constitution drafted by the Founding Fathers, was written in this manner:

"The Constitution for the united states of America".

The altered version reads: "THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA". It is the corporate constitution. It is NOT the same document you might think it is. The corporate constitution operates in an economic capacity and has been used to fool the People into thinking it is the same parchment that governs the Republic. It absolutely is not.
Incidentally, this corporate constitution does not benefit the Republic. It serves only to benefit the corporation. It does nothing good for you or me — and it operates outside of the original Constitution. Instead of absolute rights guaranteed under the "organic" Constitution, we now have "relative" rights or privileges. One example of this is the Sovereign's right to travel, which has been transformed under corporate government policy into a "privilege" which we must be licensed to engage in. This operates outside of the original Constitution.

So, Congress committed TREASON against the People, who were considered Sovereign under the Declaration of Independence and the organic Constitution. When we consider the word "Sovereign," we must think about what the word means.

I refer you to the UNITED STATES CODE (note the capitalization, indicating the corporation, not the Republic) Title 28 3002 (15) (A) (B) (C). It is stated unequivocally that the UNITED STATES is a corporation [see note]. Realize, too, that the corporation is not a separate and distinct entity from the government. It IS the government. YOUR government. This is extremely important. I refer to this as the "corporate empire of the UNITED STATES," which operates under Roman Civil Law outside of the Constitution."

14noscams (anonymous profile)
July 11, 2014 at 6:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Duh, I don't think those governments are "corporations". DrDan

DrDan - It doesn't matter what you think or if you're aware of it, but you can verify it.
It's interesting reading your comments and JarvisJarvis's comments about the constitution that were made in ignorance of the current form of government in the US.

14noscams (anonymous profile)
July 11, 2014 at 6:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

14scams: try reading your own idiotic English, you dolt. Your 1871 ref is bizarre and absurd.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
July 11, 2014 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

14 has done what was previously thought impossible, united Dr. Dan and Jarvis. I vote we send 14 to the Gaza Strip.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 11, 2014 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

DrDan ; I can't argue with your lack of reasoning - why don't you forward your intelligent comment to Ron Paul. Just sign it Democrat.

14noscams (anonymous profile)
July 11, 2014 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

14noscams (anonymous profile)
July 11, 2014 at 12:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why Ron Paul? Why not Brittney Spears or Dennis Rodman?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 11, 2014 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

14, you can't argue, much less engage in rational dialogue. You believe the USA became a corporation in 1871 based on a useless blog at Serendipity by one named S. Giuliani, a noted scholar, of course. Rand Paul's econ history is also mostly gibberish.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
July 11, 2014 at 11:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Why Ron Paul? Why not Brittney Spears or Dennis Rodman?"

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 11, 2014 at 12:37 p.m

Because he has two first names.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
July 12, 2014 at 5:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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