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Supervisor Salud Carbajal at White House climate talks.

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Supervisor Salud Carbajal at White House climate talks.


Carbajal in Climate Change Talks

President Obama’s Task Force Addresses Sea Level Rise and More


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Supervisor Salud Carbajal, along with 25 other regional leaders from across the country, had a hand in the programs that President Barack Obama outlined this week to help communities gird for the effects of climate change. The White House assembled the 26-member panel last November, and July 16 marked the group’s last in-person meeting before it makes its final recommendations to the president this fall.

Carbajal was the only county supervisor and one of only four California politicians to make the cut; he was recommended for the position by, among others, Congressmember Lois Capps, who helped suggest that the president start such a group and whose recently proposed bills served as the basis for some of Obama’s announced programs. “We’ve identified a number of recommendations that he [Obama] can put in play and pursue,” Carbajal said. “I think it is historic, and I think it’s going to be substantive.”

Task force meeting with President Obama
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Salud Carbajal

Task force meeting with President Obama

Most of what the president presented this week involved funneling federal dollars to state, city, and county governments with a focus on readying areas’ infrastructure for repercussions like sea-level rise, increased rainfall, drought, and wildfires. One of the proposals creates a competition to create recovery models and preparation plans, another allocates resources to Native American tribes, and a third allows the United States Geological Survey to use 3D mapping for risk assessment. Actions based on three of Capps’s bills — which are currently at the committee stage — involve providing $1.5 million in funding for coastal areas courtesy of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), improving storm-water management systems, and understanding the public-health consequences that global warming could pose.

“Today’s announcement shows the president is serious about responding to climate change,” Capps said Wednesday in a prepared statement. “I applaud his efforts, and the efforts of the task force, to better equip our communities that are already being affected. I am happy to see that some of the actions I have been calling for in Congress will be implemented by federal agencies.”

In a letter sent to Obama in February 2013, Capps and many of her congressional colleagues cited — using figures from NOAA — the 1,000-plus deaths and $180 billion in damages wreaked in 2011 and 2012 by natural disasters including Hurricane Sandy. The legislators suggested that the president assemble the task force to come up with solutions.

In their meetings, the task force members discussed and researched five overall topics: how to recover in the wake of extreme weather events, how to make buildings less susceptible to damage, how to address changes to agriculture, how to prepare for and prevent adverse health effects, and how to assist tribes in meeting their climate-change-related challenges. Carbajal focused his attention on the public-health angle and on strengthening coastal infrastructure, picking the brains of scientists at UCSB and Cal Poly.

Some of the ideas, Carbajal said, could require congressional action, which he said could stall the process. But pushing the regional governments — with input and help from the business sector — to push the envelop with climate-change preparedness will be key going forward, Carbajal said. (Earlier this month, the Santa Barbara County Board of Supervisors voted to accept a $200,000 grant from the Coastal Conservancy to allow officials to study which places in the county would suffer the worst effects of climate change.) “The State of California is going to be a vanguard in meeting these challenges,” Carbajal said. “Santa Barbara is no exception — we’re going to be a vanguard as well.”

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dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
July 19, 2014 at 6:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Mark Twain was wrong when he said "Everybody talks about the weather but nobody ever does anything about it".

Salud, if you can get it to rain in S.B. this summer, you can be appointed supervisor for life as far as I'm concerned.

Don't let them cloud the issues, don't let them rain on your parade. Im sure you will do well, and be greeted with thunderous applause.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
July 19, 2014 at 6:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

always wanted to be in "a vanguard"... still, a crucial issue, go Salud, go!

DrDan (anonymous profile)
July 19, 2014 at 6:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Salud is a quick study and handles himself well in these forums. He has the ability to grasp the essential elements of an issue if provided with a decent briefing by the experts. He also has the ability to communicate the issue in simple terms, which is a skill that the experts often lack. We are not going to reverse global climate change because the rich don't want to be inconvenienced and the poor want to eat. Consequently, we are going to have to concentrate on adapting to the effects of climate change. The forum in which Carbajal is participating is a good start. Unfortunately, the poor will suffer the most from climate change while the rich will grumble about the cost and inconvenience but not change their lifestyles very much at all.

Eckermann (anonymous profile)
July 19, 2014 at 8:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

agree, Eck!

DrDan (anonymous profile)
July 19, 2014 at 8:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

They could build a sea wall with the stacks of dollar bills they are wasting on these bogus studies. Did Carbajal actually sit through this meeting with a straight face. Hope the free lunch was good. Does this mean Carbajal now has Lois Capps benediction as her successor in office?

JarvisJarvis (anonymous profile)
July 19, 2014 at 9:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Did anyone notice Australia just repealed their carbon tax? Carbajal should lead the charge in proposing broad sweeping trade sanctions against the land down under. What's going on with CA cap-n-trade? It's been around since 2012. Carbajal and Capps have an opportunity to aggressively raise the cost of carbon credits on all our largest industrial producers. If that makes them want to relocate to TX, good riddance because Federal cap-n-trade, once implemented will catch up to them soon enough.

It's been a year since all of us got smart meters on our houses. That's enough time to establish baseline average usage and implement excess C02 surcharges.

And then there's China who are clearly not on board. Our leaders should tack a 20% C02 tax on all Chinese imported goods sold in CA. If that seems high, most of us can simply buy 20% less stuff we didn't really need anyway.

All the pieces are in place. It's time to drop the hammer and get serious.

SBLifer (anonymous profile)
July 20, 2014 at 1:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Excellent points SBLifer. Particularly the surcharge on products from China who by any standards is a gross polluter. Use the China surcharge to fund the likes of Carbajal's boondoggle. Or use it to develop exportable clean energy solutions. One does not need to affirm or deny global warming to know China has to clean up its act now.

JarvisJarvis (anonymous profile)
July 20, 2014 at 9:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To me it's all about The China Syndrome.It's absurd to make California businesses meet even more restrictive regulations in order to achieve 'Vanguard' status while Chinese plants use slave labor to pump out cheap goods, toxic clouds and water.Since we don't let our companies compete on a level playing field,which is good that we don't, then we should place enough tariffs on goods from dirty producers so that our manufacturers can compete-Not to mention the good jobs that come with it.
Pollution knows no borders people.

garfish (anonymous profile)
July 20, 2014 at 6:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Banning single use plastic bags in Santa Barbara is not really the beating of butterfly wings that will ultimately change China. Her people rebelling and her immediate neighbors putting the screws of the effluent she spews out in their direction is where the pressure needs to come from. Surtaxing Chinese goods will get their attention ASAP.

Unless of course we are already too much in debt to China to have even a smidgen of leverage left against our creditor nations. That too.

Strange the tax-borrow-and-spenders who have compromised the US moral-leader position due to our crushing federal debt are the exact same people who demand we flap our little butterfly wings at them for their smokestacks. How did we ever let these people run our country?

JarvisJarvis (anonymous profile)
July 20, 2014 at 7:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The null hypothesis that climate change is natural has never been disproven.
The hypothesis that CO2 causes warming has never been proven.
2006 had the highest Arctic sea ice minimum extent of the past decade, and 2014 is tracking 2006 quite closely.

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/old_icecov...

US Historical Climate Network alterations in historical temperatures

https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress...

Climate station data – global monitoring station links - reference data
http://climateaudit.org/station-data/

While man continues to emit more carbon dioxide (CO2) into the atmosphere from power plants, automobiles, and industrial activity, the Earth has not warmed for at least 15 years. None of the computer models relied on by the IPCC to forecast climate calamity predicted this temperature standstill.

It was warmer in many periods in the past than today, though CO2 levels during these intervals were far lower than now.

Antarctic ice, eight times greater than Arctic ice, is not receding. Overall global ice cover has not changed significantly since satellite measurements began in 1979.

Global cyclone activity is now near a thirty-year low.

There has been no statistically significant increase in the frequency or severity of extreme weather events.

Sea level rise is not accelerating beyond that normally expected due to the gradual warming since the end of the last glacial period 10,000 years ago.

The IPCC is now heavily engaged in evidence-making to support the climate scare was entirely predictable. Their First Assessment Report, released in 1990, actually warned:
It is not possible at this time to attribute all, or even a large part, of the observed global-mean warming to (an) enhanced greenhouse effect on the basis of observational data currently available.

This honesty did not stop world leaders and UN bureaucrats from creating the Framework Convention on Climate Change (FCCC) at the 1992 Rio Earth Summit. The FCCC listed as its most important objective:
Stabilization of greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere at a level that would prevent dangerous anthropogenic interference with the climate system.

http://pjmedia.com/blog/decision-base...

Edmund De Rothschild, David Rockefeller, Maurice Strong at 4th World Wilderness Congress. Rothschild's comments on the New Marshall Plan for British global government and recolonization of US and his formation of the World Conservation Bank to manage global assets.
George W. Hunt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifuqP...

14noscams (anonymous profile)
July 20, 2014 at 9:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This 1988 NY Times article includes a statement from NASA that CONUS temperatures hadn’t changed significantly since 1888. UK Met East Anglia CRU (the source of most IPCC data) head Phil Jones states global temperatures increased 1 degree F in the last 88 years .

Global Warmth In '88 Is Found To Set a Record

By PHILIP SHABECOFF, Special to the New York Times
Published: February 4, 1989

The average temperature around the world in 1988 was the highest since reliable records began nearly a century ago, British scientists reported today.
Scientists from the British Meteorological Office and the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit said that last year's temperature results continued a pattern of record high temperatures throughout the 1980's that was reported last year.
Dr. Phil Jones, a climatologist at East Anglia, said global temperatures rose on average about one degree Fahrenheit since the beginning of the century. He said the six warmest years on record were, in order, 1988, 1987, 1983, 1981, 1980 and 1986.

Last week, scientists from the United States Commerce Department's National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said that a study of temperature readings for the contiguous 48 states over the last century showed there had been no significant change in average temperature over that period.
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/04/us/...

They claim that 2012 is the warmest year by almost a degree, and they accomplished that by subtracting a degree from the hot years of the 1920s and 1930s.
http://stevengoddard.files.wordpress....

14noscams (anonymous profile)
July 20, 2014 at 10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

NOAA Temperature Graph overlays showing data alterations 1900 – 2014

https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress...

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/...

Whither U.S. Climate?

By James Hansen, Reto Ruedy, Jay Glascoe and Makiko Sato — August 1999:

Empirical evidence does not lend much support to the notion that climate is headed precipitately toward more extreme heat and drought.
in the U.S. there has been little temperature change in the past 50 years, the time of rapidly increasing greenhouse gases — in fact, there was a slight cooling throughout much of the country
NASA GISS: Science Briefs: Whither U.S. Climate?

Right after the year 2000, NASA and NOAA dramatically altered US climate history, making the past much colder and the present much warmer. The animation below shows how NASA cooled 1934 and warmed 1998, to make 1998 the hottest year in US history instead of 1934. This alteration turned a long term cooling trend since 1930 into a warming trend.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/gra...

NASA and NOAA have a little problem. The EPA still shows that heatwaves during the 1930s were by far the worst in US temperature record.

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/scie...

George Orwell explained how this worked.

“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”
― George Orwell, 1984

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/a...

Around $100 billion has been spent on AGW since the 1992 Rio Summit.
No research has shown that CO2 causes warming or climate change, and AGW has replaced research on all other environmental issues.

14noscams (anonymous profile)
July 20, 2014 at 10:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So let me get this straight, Carbajal lives in a place that has the best climate in the country, if not the world, but he flies across the country to complain about the climate. Right?

There is nothing wrong with our climate, mild winters, warm summers, lots of sunshine.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
July 20, 2014 at 11:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's a good thing anonymous internet commenters don't make energy policy.

nitrogen (anonymous profile)
July 21, 2014 at 8:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, suppose attention paid to global warming is a good idea. But before one contemplates more taxes and penalties - most of which end up negatively and directly effecting the US economy and jobs - I would suggest caution. Plus, Carbajal wanting to give the native american tribes $$ for studying climate change…you gotta be kidding. The casino has enough money to influence local politicians - ahem, are we talking Carbajal? - and surely don't need financial help from the government. In fact, their existent moneys are enough to impact the local political scene heavily.

TheEvolOne (anonymous profile)
July 21, 2014 at 9:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It is a good thing those who post studies they don't even read to cite conclusions the studies do not even support do not make energy policy.

JarvisJarvis (anonymous profile)
July 21, 2014 at 9:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

China is dirty, Coal is dirty. Forget global warming. Help China and ourselves develop the clean use of coal. Everyone will be happier right here and right now.

JarvisJarvis (anonymous profile)
July 21, 2014 at 9:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

here and now, just like Jarvis says:

http://youtu.be/FNz0DTKycbM?t=7s

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
July 21, 2014 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Salud,

Did you talk about the root of the problem? Over-Population of humans on planet Earth. Did you discuss strategies for easy access to birth control for all humans?

Georgy (anonymous profile)
July 21, 2014 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

All humans around the world have access to barrier protection and pharmaceutical intervention birth control. Get out more. Easy access to "birth control" is not the issue. It is readily available everywhere. Except perhaps remote tribal areas of Indonesia or the Amazon who are hardly materially affecting our carbon footprint. Few places on this planet are not part of global commerce today.

JarvisJarvis (anonymous profile)
July 21, 2014 at 11:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"And the problem is getting worse. Between 2003 and 2012, the total number of women in need of birth control because they wanted to avoid pregnancy increased from 716 million to 867 million — and most of that growth was among women in the 69 poorest countries, where birth control is already more difficult to come by. About 222 million women in developing countries want to use birth control but aren’t currently able to access a modern contraceptive method, and nearly three quarters of those women live in the world’s poorest countries."

“Unless the adequacy of family planning services improves more rapidly than it has in the past decade, he number of women with an unmet need for modern contraceptives will continue to rise, especially in the 69 poorest countries,” Jacqueline E. Darroch, one of the study’s authors, explained in a statement.

"Last year, the United Nations declared access to contraception to be a “universal human right.” But that right isn’t being realized for millions of women around the world — and the continued failure to ensure better access to modern birth control results in serious consequences for women in developing nations. Higher rates of unintended pregnancies lead to higher rates of preventable deaths from unsafe abortions, as well as higher rates of infant deaths around the world. Furthermore, giving women the family planning resources they need is an important step toward helping those women achieve economic success and independence."
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/...

BINDI Irwin has renewed her calls for a debate on population control, saying she is upset very young girls in Third World countries are having babies they can't afford to feed.

The daughter of late Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin turns 15 this week and is keen to use her time in the spotlight to advocate for better access to family planning and birth control.

In an interview with News Corp, the passionate Wildlife Warrior says she wants to ignite debate on issues like not eating wildlife or over populating the planet.

''Girls as young as me or even younger are having kids and that doesn't seen right to me,'' she said.

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/...

Took me just a few minutes to find this information (that I knew existed). Some people seem to not bother with the accuracy or factualness of their claims, that seem to meander down from fresh air onto the page, where they serve only to misinform (and eventually discredit anything they post.) Even Bindi Irwin, 15, seems to be better informed.

tabatha (anonymous profile)
July 21, 2014 at 11:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The world's" poorest countries" are not materially contributing to the population explosion. What exactly are "modern" forms of birth control and what is Big Pharms stake in the Planned Parenthood media piece. The mind boggles how they even gathered this data.

I am upset we have population sub-groups in this very country who continue to have babies they can't afford nor even want to care for. Heal thyself first. Then take your dog and pony road show out to the rest of the world. Send Bindi to Chicago. All charity begins at home.

JarvisJarvis (anonymous profile)
July 21, 2014 at 12:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"(September 2013) Africa, by far the world’s poorest region, will record the largest amount of population growth of any world region between now and 2050.

Africa’s population is expected to more than double, rising from 1.1 billion today to at least 2.4 billion by 2050. “Nearly all of that growth will be in the 51 countries of sub-Saharan Africa, the region’s poorest,” says Wendy Baldwin, president and CEO of the Population Reference Bureau (PRB). “Rapid population growth makes it difficult for economies to create enough jobs to lift large numbers of people out of poverty.”

Today, women in sub-Saharan Africa average 5.2 children, a rate that rises as high as 7.6 in Niger. The 10 countries worldwide with the highest fertility are all in sub-Saharan Africa. In addition to high birth rates, the region’s population is also quite young, with 43 percent of the population below age 15."

http://www.prb.org/Publications/Datas...

tabatha (anonymous profile)
July 21, 2014 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

More Americans Dying as Birth Rates Hit Record Lows

Thanks to younger Americans delaying having children and an exceptionally large group of Americans reaching mortality, the gap between births and deaths in the U.S. is the smallest it’s been in nearly four decades, according to data released Thursday by the U.S. Census.

That shrinking surplus is the result of two overlapping trends: millennials are putting off big life decisions like marriage and starting families while their aging parents and grandparents begin to pass away in large numbers. It’s a shift demographers don’t see reversing anytime soon.

“I see no evidence of any upturn in fertility, and deaths continue to grow,” says Kenneth Johnson, senior demographer at the University of New Hampshire’s Carsey Institute.

According to the Census, there were 2,541,000 deaths between July 2012 and July 2013, the most on record in one year. In nearly 1,000 counties, more Americans died than were born. Meanwhile, just 3,953,000 people were born during that time — the fewest since 1998. The fertility rate for 20- to 24-year-olds is now 83.1 births per 1,000 women, a record low, according to the Centers for Disease Control. That combination created a gap in births over deaths that is the lowest it has been in 35 years.

http://time.com/39500/census-more-dea...

The US is healing itself.

tabatha (anonymous profile)
July 21, 2014 at 2:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tabatha: Does that study include migration from other countries to the U.S. and its effect on overall population?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 21, 2014 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)


Salud,

Did you talk about the root of the problem? Over-Population of humans on planet Earth. Did you discuss strategies for easy access to birth control for all humans?

Georgy (anonymous profile)
July 21, 2014 at 11:08 a.m

Georgy: Such talk would go against the Progressive stance on keeping silent on what drives mass migration to the U.S--per my above question to Tabatha.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 21, 2014 at 3:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

".....In the traditional Northern Ghana society, payment of bridewealth in cows and sheep signifies the wife's obligation to bear children. This deeply ingrained expectation about a woman’s duty to reproduce creates apprehension in men that their wife or wives may be unfaithful if they used contraception.[46]

Arranged marriages, which generally occur at a young age, limit female autonomy and therefore often result in a culture in which females do not feel in control of their own reproductive health.[47] According to a 1987 study by Caldwell, large families are seen as socially favorable and infertility is viewed negatively, causing women to use birth control mainly to increase birth intervals instead of limiting family size.[45]

The possibility that women may act independently is also regarded as a threat to the strong patriarchal tradition. Physical abuse and repraisals from the extended family pose substantial threats to women. Violence against women was considered justified by 51% of female and 43% of male respondents if the wife used a contraceptive method without the husband's knowledge.[15]

Women feared that their husband's disapproval of family planning could lead to withholding of affection or sex or even divorce.

In areas with communal grazing areas or “tribal tenure,” large families are desirable because more children means more productive capability and therefore higher status and more wealth for the father, according to Boserup.

Additionally, having more children decreases the mother’s workload. ....
Waist beads worn by African women to communicate sexual desires.
In the cities of Nairobi and Bungoma in Kenya, major barriers to contraceptive use included lack of agreement on contraceptive use and on reproductive intentions.

There were also gaps in knowledge on contraceptive methods, fears from rumors, misconceptions about specific methods, perceived undesirable effects and availability and poor quality of services in the areas studied. About 33% of wives in Nairobi and 50% in Bungoma desired no more children however husbands desired about four or more children than wives wanted.[49]

Lack of couple agreement and communication were primary reasons for nonuse. Compared to Ghana, the man is considered the decision maker.The husband has a greater desire for more children preferably sons because they are able to provide financial security for their parents.

In other Sub-Saharan African cultures, spousal discussion of sexual matters is discouraged......"

JarvisJarvis (anonymous profile)
July 21, 2014 at 3:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Middle east birth rates used to be quite high and anyone making "projections" would be daunted assuming the same rates would continue. However, over the course of a few decades this has radically changed.

So goes "projections about Africa. Global population is global and not driven by any one regions which has proven to be highly variable over time.

"While Muslim countries in Asia have retained high birth rates, Muslim countries in the Middle East are declining sharply. Even Saudi Arabia, which has the wealth, extended families and the conservatism, and which denies women basic educational and work opportunities, went down from 6 to below 3 in just a decade."

JarvisJarvis (anonymous profile)
July 21, 2014 at 3:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

billc,

Populations during that time wouldn't have been affected very much illegal immigration.

Another report came out this year that echoed a report in 2012:

"A four-decade tidal wave of Mexican immigration to the United States has receded, causing a historic shift in migration patterns as more Mexicans appear to be leaving the United States for Mexico than the other way around, according to a report from the Pew Hispanic Center."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/f...

This artcile links to the newer report:

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/47280...

loonpt (anonymous profile)
July 21, 2014 at 3:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

JarvisJarvis - Your later post about customs in Ghana refutes some of your earlier statements; the discussion has evolved. Yes, old tribal customs throughout the world, have tended to expect women to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. Men wanted to have many children to help them with their rural work and also to look after them in their old age. That all made sense in agricultural societies. Tasks were assigned by gender, although in many of them, women had to both look after the children and be responsible for food production - while men were the warriors, not doing much in the way of daily family tasks. Also, in those primitive medicine days, populations were kept in check. Thus the traditional family "values" ensured reasonably stability of roles of men and women.

The countries in trouble are those where food and medicine save many lives, but traditional customs do not prevent having too many of those saved children. There are countries in transition with various mixes of women staying at home (some of the men with whom I work have wives who do not work) and more modern countries, where men and women are more equal in hours worked and reproductive decisions.

That is why I have great admiration of Malala, who supports the education of girls, and also for the K.I.N.D. program of providing desks for school kids (of both genders) in Africa. And Bindi Irwin, who wants reproductive education for all kids. Where more people are moving into urban environments, there should be family planning so that "Traffic in Goleta" articles do not have to be written.

And yes, immigration did slow during the recession years and is now picking up to the point of becoming a problem. Mexico should take more responsibility for keeping that in check as well.

tabatha (anonymous profile)
July 21, 2014 at 4:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Loonpt: What about all those kids fleeing countries south of Mexico? The ones in Port Hueneme?

This is the tip of the iceberg.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 21, 2014 at 7:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bill, they are fleeing from a country that is being terrorized by their government, whom we support:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dana-fr...

The establishment is the one busing them around to Mexican concentration camps and parading them around in the media, they like to create strong divisions among the population as a divide and conquer tactic. Abortion, gay rights and immigration are all topics that are used to take people's eye off the ball of what the real problems are. That doesn't mean those aren't important issues, in fact both sides generally talk past each other and there are usually valid points on both sides. But for immigration, if we didn't have a welfare state that promised everything to everybody, then they would only come up here as far as there are jobs. And there would be, and they would come, and we should welcome them and treat them like we would treat anybody else.

For gay rights, Christians don't want to be forced to bake cakes in the shape of a penis or something for a gay wedding, which they shouldn't be forced to do, but gay people should be able to do whatever they want as well. Most people agree with both of those positions, but you'll notice most people on each side of the debate thinks that the other side has these really extreme views that they probably don't actually have.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
July 21, 2014 at 8:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nigeria's population is expected to increase by around 800% within the next 100 years, and be higher than China's by 2100. This Washington Post article has comparisons of India, China, Indonesia, US and Nigeria.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/w...

14noscams (anonymous profile)
July 21, 2014 at 8:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OK Loonpt, I'll take the bait: This is another reason I vote Libertarian.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 22, 2014 at 6:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Political shortsightedness is almost incurable...

zionist (anonymous profile)
July 22, 2014 at 8:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Georgy (anonymous profile)
July 22, 2014 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

We really need to replace elected officials who make decisions based on psychotic delusions

"As Hurricane Sandy prepared to strike the Northeast, climate scientists from alarmist and skeptical camps alike reported the storm had little if anything to do with global warming.

Martin Hoerling, who chairs the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s (NOAA’s) climate variability research program, and who oversees NOAA’s Climate Scene Investigators, observed, “neither the frequency of tropical or extratropical cyclones over the North Atlantic are projected to appreciably change due to climate change, nor have there been indications of a change in their statistical behavior over this region in recent decades.”

Got that? Global warming models project no appreciable change in North Atlantic storm behavior, yet global warming alarmists now say global warming caused Hurricane Sandy.

Hoerling further explained, “In this case, the immediate cause is most likely little more that the coincidental alignment of a tropical storm with an extratropical storm. Both frequent the west Atlantic in October…nothing unusual with that. On rare occasions their timing is such as to result in an interaction which can lead to an extreme event along the eastern seaboard.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestayl...

Scientists Find No Trend in 370 Years of Tropical Cyclone Data
http://econpapers.repec.org/article/s...

NOAA Hurricane Research Division
Atlantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Division
Consensus Statements by International Workshop on Tropical Cyclones-VI (IWTC-VI) Participants :

Though there is evidence both for and against the existence of a detectable anthropogenic signal in the tropical cyclone climate record to date, no firm conclusion can be made on this point.

No individual tropical cyclone can be directly attributed to climate change.

The recent increase in societal impact from tropical cyclones has largely been caused by rising concentrations of population and infrastructure in coastal regions.

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/tcfaq/G3...

14noscams (anonymous profile)
July 22, 2014 at 4:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Doesn't this idiot have anything better to do? This is just a bunch of feel good BS. How about getting the old Miramar property squared away, instead of just taking money in exchange for empty promises of doing something about it. How many years has it been now? Carbajal, you're a headline grabbing, do nothing, career politician troll. Try working a real job, for once in your life.

waz (anonymous profile)
July 23, 2014 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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