<b>I.V. HEALING:</b>  As a community mourns in unity, discussion about gun violence, mental illness, and misogyny has emerged.

Paul Wellman

I.V. HEALING: As a community mourns in unity, discussion about gun violence, mental illness, and misogyny has emerged.

Isla Vista: Safety in Sisterhood

Community Problems Remain Despite Ever-Changing Residents

Thursday, June 5, 2014
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Amid days of darkness following Elliot Rodger’s deadly and suicidal rampage in the streets of Isla Vista, collective grieving unified a broken community. But percolating through the mourning are several charged topics ​— ​mental illness, gun control, misogyny ​— ​that have begun to shift the response from grief to consideration and debate. “Right now is a tricky moment,” said UCSB history Professor Alice O’Connor, noting the difficult path that will follow the grieving. “It might be a time of divided opinion about what should be done.”

People near and far have bombarded the Sheriff’s Office with questions about its practices ​— ​focusing largely on the welfare check that left deputies convinced Rodger was not a threat to himself or others. In a report to the Board of Supervisors on Tuesday, Sheriff Bill Brown said questions were certainly legitimate and that he hopes it will “spur some changes” in how mental illness is approached. Brown said his department will work with Alcohol, Drug and Mental Health Services as it implements its crisis-response and triage field teams ​— ​more than $11 million in grant funding was recently secured for them ​— ​which may include a coresponse with law enforcement.

But Brown maintained that “Rodger’s journey” was a long and complicated one, which he did not believe could have been prevented. “In a free society, we constantly have to balance public safety with individual liberties.” He also agreed with the vigorous campaign by one of the slain students’ fathers, Richard Martinez, to end gun violence. “We must find ways to stop this madness,” Brown said.

Where discussions about gun control and mental illness have lit a fuse in one realm, talk of misogyny has ignited another due to the disturbing words and videos Rodger left behind. Despite resistance to the term “feminism” by young people today, a massive Internet trend has emerged from the tragedy in Isla Vista. Activists say the horrific incident is a sobering reminder of the consequences of misogynic attitudes and is an opportunity to be constructive. Though some students argue now is not an appropriate time to advance political agendas, the discussion took off to a striking degree in the blogosphere. Countering an argument that all men commit rape, people argued all women live in fear of oppression and hostility. “#YesAllWomen isn’t about bashing men, it’s about shedding light on what women go through,” one woman tweeted. Within days of the tragedy, there were more than a million submissions documenting instances of chauvinist sentiments.

Discussion about what the term misogyny means in the real world has also emerged: In the hectic streets of Isla Vista, harassment is common. “Most people don’t fight back, and that’s why it’s become the norm,” said UCSB senior Rachel Glago. “It takes more than one person to do something.”

It’s important to note that Isla Vista is a community that sucks residents in and spits them out just a few years later. Populations move through a revolving door, presenting unique challenges. The six-tenths of an unincorporated square-mile populated with 23,000 people ​— ​approximately 9,000 attend UCSB and a few thousand trek to SBCC ​— ​lacks cityhood and the benefits that come with it. Though traces of university efforts have occurred in Isla Vista in the past, UCSB and SBCC administrators have historically emphasized that they do not have the power to dictate behavior off campus.

With misogyny as a subtext, sexual assaults entered the spotlight this school year after the high-profile gang rape that occurred on campus in February. The brutal incident followed a less publicized gang rape in January and seemed to indicate a grim turn to the town full of carefree minds and invincible attitudes, and the rapes caused District Attorney Joyce Dudley to rally the stakeholders. She brought a number of public officials and employees to the table in March: SBCC President Lori Gaskin, UCSB Chancellor Henry Yang and Vice Chancellor of Student Affairs Michael Young, 3rd District Supervisor Doreen Farr, and representatives from the UCSB Police Department and the Sheriff’s Foot Patrol. Participants discussed key problems and what could be done to make Isla Vista safer. Last week, they met again ​— ​the meeting had been scheduled prior to the mass murder ​— ​and elected Dudley as the chair.

Dudley plans to pitch two ideas she had before the shooting, she said. The first is dubbed a neighborhood prosecutor, a senior deputy who would spend half his or her time in Isla Vista ​— ​acting as a liaison ​— ​and review all Isla Vista cases so filings would be consistent. Dudley also hopes to implement a neighborhood court, which would be a restorative-justice process that could intercept young people before they end up in superior court. The group meets again this Friday.


Independent Discussion Guidelines

I hope that the constructive dialogue and actions don't fizzle out over the Summer.

GregMohr (anonymous profile)
June 5, 2014 at 7:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Back in the early 80's there was a program to stop burglaries and child abductors called "Neighbor Hood Watch" (, this program is easy to establish and involves many to enforce but is often ignored due to participates, have to be willing to "Snitch" and in a society of Anti-Law and Youthful defiance, "Snitching" is viewed as a social taboo. As they say in, "Da Hood", anyone who Snitches or is a Snitch is a Dead Snitch. Our youth as was the past, listens to the rap of the streets and in so doing is propagated with its ignorance and hate to stand out for right but not wrong and thus, this method of keeping the streets of IV safe may not work! Still for those who are tired of the "Same 'ol, Same 'ol", and have the strength of will and courage; this is a an option. It also works whether the residence are transit or permanent to the area since either UCSB's Student Advocates or Body can head it up, The Police (Foot Patrol), or even the Property owners of the Apartments can use it as a selling/renting point of their properties to sell to concerned parents (SIC).
Here are websites to get you (The Concerned), get started:
and your Local Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department:

dou4now (anonymous profile)
June 5, 2014 at 8 a.m. (Suggest removal)

San Mateo (6/4/14): "“Deputies arrived on scene,” Sheriff’s department spokeswoman Rebecca Rosenblatt tells KRON 4. “Shortly thereafter there was a confrontation where the deputy was in fear for his life and as a result he fired his weapon.”

Serrano’s family tells a different story. They say the woman who was shot has special needs and was refusing to take her medication so the family members called 911 hoping paramedics would show up instead of armed law officers."

“She has special needs and we just want answers,” the woman’s brother, Tiny Serrano says. “Who are we supposed to call now when we need help when who is supposed to help us is killing our kids?”"

Here is an interesting youtube video entitled, "Interfacing with the Mentally ill - Police Training Video (1960)"

loonpt (anonymous profile)
June 5, 2014 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Surprised that there has been little talk about racism? As a half white, half Asian, the killer talked about Asian men being inferior and hating his Asian side. Then he goes off and kills 3 Asian men...

laxer (anonymous profile)
June 5, 2014 at 2:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That's kind of weird and kind of wrong. UCSB is over 30% Asian. (much greater than the percentage of the Asian population in society in general) While many of the white students he thinks are superior are majoring in art history (or something similar) and end up working in the Olive Garden, many of the Asians are majoring in computer science and electrical engineering and will have six-figure jobs soon after graduating. While some may see my statement as "racist", it's just a demographic fact.

Botany (anonymous profile)
June 5, 2014 at 2:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

When Blacks or Mexicans are killed in the inner cities, these "experts" turn a blind eye, but when people die on the hallowed ground of Isla Vista, then they start pontificating.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
June 5, 2014 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Remember: It's all about women, guns, and "children", all other deaths irrelevant.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
June 5, 2014 at 3:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

When five of the seven dead are males it is callous to make misogyny the centerpiece of public response. The same goes for diatribes against the NRA when half the purported victims were stabbed to death.

dewdly (anonymous profile)
June 5, 2014 at 3:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Misanthropy does seem like a more precise assessment. he basically seemed to rsent/hate anybody who was happy in their lives and whom he assumed we're enjoying intimacy between themselves.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 5, 2014 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He was a mentally disabled misanthrope, he had a social development disorder. Physically, emotionally and mentally he started out much like everybody else, but because of his disorder along with some parenting and step-mom issues it was very difficult to establish the type of emotional bonds that everybody else seems to form naturally.

From the manifesto it sounds like a lot of his views formed AFTER he realized this fact in his life. He was probably always a bit entitled, but the racism and misogyny seemed to be a reaction to his life problems.

Did you know he saved a child's life 7 years ago? It was his younger brother's. He wanted to kill his younger brother in his manifesto. What makes a person go from saving a person's life to wanting to kill them? Obviously his suffering, both from lack of emotional bonding with his peers as well as his lack of ability satiate his sex drive which only exacerbated all of his obsessions and compulsions drove him to his battle with all humanity for what he felt like had discarded him.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
June 5, 2014 at 3:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The reason that there is so much wild speculation about Elliot Rodgers is that he is a fiction and does not correspond to anything real. Everything from Xanax to misogyny, Hefnerism to capitalism, the NRA to mental health - it's all over the place, but nothing fits - nothing really explains this bizarre contrivance.

The videos are disturbing primarily because NO ONE would say the things Rodger says; e.g. no one would describe himself as being "sexually attracted" to girls unless he was fending off suspicioun that he was gay. His manner is not consistent with any sort personality disorder and his little chuckle after declaring his murderous intentions doesn't sound sinister, but absurd.

As preposterous as the script is we are expected to put it down as evidence of his insanity!

dewdly (anonymous profile)
June 5, 2014 at 4:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There isn't a lot of wild speculation about Elliot Rodger except in YOUR head Dewdly. The wild speculation is about what to do to prevent this from happening again. Only one tin foil hat in this thread and I'm afraid you're the one wearing it.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 5, 2014 at 5:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey dewdley the racist, conspiracy fan is back . Troll on jackass.

Herschel_Greenspan (anonymous profile)
June 5, 2014 at 6:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)


Nonsense. No one is afraid an "Elliot Rodger" will happen again. That is why everyone goes back to their prior concerns and pet causes. "Sisterhood" and "gun control" don't apply to the purported stabbing victims and yet they are barely mentioned, much less discussed in detail so that we can understand how or why a slightly-built kid can stab to death three adult males. What is being done to protect students from being murdered by their seemingly normal roommate? Are roommates assigned? If so, is the school or the landlord responsible for background and mental health checks? Who is liable for the deaths in a rented apartment and are the parents of the Chinese students suing?

dewdly (anonymous profile)
June 5, 2014 at 6:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sometimes even the best laid plans go bad. The cops can't be everywhere.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
June 5, 2014 at 7:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Does anyone think it was odd to send 5 uniformed police to check in on a mentally unstable student (or former student) in a community where police are generally distrusted? Maybe a trained professional would have been better suited to check in on him or at least to accompany one or two police officers. I guess I just have so many questions about how this could have been prevented when most people want to point to one thing (i.e. guns, mental illness, police, aliens, etc).

laxer (anonymous profile)
June 5, 2014 at 7:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dewdley the troll returns, trolling the threads for justification...crudely, too

DrDan (anonymous profile)
June 5, 2014 at 7:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Check out this link to a study about how a sense of entitlement leads to violence against women:

blackpoodles (anonymous profile)
June 5, 2014 at 7:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)


Only two of the purported victims were women. Does a "sense of entitlement" explain violence against men?

dewdly (anonymous profile)
June 5, 2014 at 10:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes it does. Not that you care because you already have your own agenda and no matter what anybody says you won't smell the coffee.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 6, 2014 at 12:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dr.Dan, that's a good 1. "Dewdly" "Crudely" it rhymes. But I think IM on 2 something here. DEWdly....DUDE, a man, "dudes" are men, "Dewdly" writes from a mans point of view. I have broken the code.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
June 6, 2014 at 1:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

laxer's last comment is on point. One night in 1974 or '75, two buddies and I had finished studying and then watched some TV, and then went on a beer and Jack In The Box run around midnight. The driver picked up a hitch-hiker on Storke. He was wacked out--said he was the devil, and was going to gather his minions and so on. I was in the back seat next to him, and played along--got into his reality and engaged him in dialogue long enough for the driver to make it to Goleta Valley Hospital and he went, willingly and with verbal encouragement, into the emergency room. We didn't and don't know if he was tripping, clinically disturbed, or what. The point is, talking often helps, whereas displays of force don't. We could've overpowered him and thrown him out of the car, and that wouldn't have helped at all. And, yeah, back then none of us thought about weapons of any kind.

GregMohr (anonymous profile)
June 6, 2014 at 8:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There goes the loon, with yet another diatribe against the popo. Hey loony, keep living in fear, makes for our amusement! Them chemtrails are calling you!

This whole dialogue will fizzle over the summer, I guarantee you. Isla Vista has crossed the Rubicon, the die has been cast and there is NO turning back!
WAIT! Maybe there IS a way to turn back: GET RID OF THE #2 PARTY SCHOOL IN THE US RANKING!
Nope, that won't happen, it attracts the zombie throngs to USCB and SBCC. Forget about UCSB's 5 or 7 Nobel laureates, WE'RE #2, LET'S GO FOR #1!
Wasted lives, ruined families, destroyed town, all for the sake of partying. Hey everybody... YOLO!

blahblahmoreblah (anonymous profile)
June 6, 2014 at 1:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

blahblah likes "chemtrails"... got any other gibes? IV likely crossed the Rubicon ten years ago.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
June 6, 2014 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dr.D: "IV likely crossed the Rubicon ten years ago."

Uh, duh Dr. Brilliance! And the bad apples have been allowed to continue unchecked, this is why you have what's there.

Oh, here's another gibe: Sasquatch. Rumor has it he's been spotted again, maybe a sasquatch hunt is in order?

blahblahmoreblah (anonymous profile)
June 6, 2014 at 6:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

@GregMohr: Similar situation back in 1980 when we picked up a guy who recommended that we snort rice. We played along as we drove around town and Montecito that night, eventually dropping him off where we found him, and pleasantly exchanged our "good nights". No harm done, no anger, just a trippy, harmless guy.

In honor of his suggestion, we all ate Rice Crispies a few days later. The difference today is that we're overcrowded, and for all but a very few, the chance of keeping your head above water financially is impossible--in this part of the country anyway.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
June 7, 2014 at 12:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I believe we do need fewer guns floating around. OTOH I believe we need more women to be armed and willing to shoot and kill their assailants. It is not so much that guns kill people it is MEN (and boys) with guns that kill people.

Noletaman (anonymous profile)
June 8, 2014 at 10:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's tally the carnage in Isla Vista: murders, gang rapes of women, riots & anarchy, vandalism, UCSB students throwing rocks at firefighters while the firefighters are giving aid to the injured (oh yes, that did happen), assaults, women falling over cliffs. And, I'm informed, plenty of rapes and assaults that go unreported on the internet and in the papers.

No sane parent will send their kid to UCSB this fall. The message has gone out to young people there that there are no responsible adults in charge in Isla Vista; and no one cares if the young people don't act like adults. The County Sheriff's Department is not in charge. UCSB officials are not in charge. They all could be, but no one wants to stick their necks out to insist on, basically, the imposition of martial law until law and order are restored. And the parents of the kids who live in Isla Vista certainly aren't around. Instead of adults stepping forward and saying that a lot, a lot more money & resources need to be spent policing Isla Vista, that young people from LA, Lompoc, & Santa Maria need to be sent back home on Friday & Saturday nights, and that the young people at UCSB need to grow up and start acting like adults, the people posting at this site yap away about how there needs to be fewer guns (without mentioning that this will never, ever happen in America), and without mentioning the anti-depression drugs (Xanax, etc) that many of the mass murders were using. Until these realities are confronted & addressed, it's the Wild, Wild, West in Isla Vista--act accordingly.

1689 (anonymous profile)
June 9, 2014 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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