Another Day, Another Dog

Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld Have Yet to Die, but They Haunt Us Still

Thursday, June 19, 2014
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JACKALS IN HEAT: You can’t really blame Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld for everything; it just seems that way. For those whose mental health depends on amnesia and indifference, Cheney and Rumsfeld were the Batman and Robin of arrogance and deceit, the one-two punch of murder and mayhem during the eight years George W. Bush usurped the American throne. Since then, Bush has pulled one of the greatest disappearing acts of all time. By contrast, Cheney ​— ​the former vice president ​— ​and Rumsfeld ​— ​über secretary of defense ​— ​are still very much on the prowl, insisting in the face of overwhelming evidence they were right. About everything. But even if they skulked out of town, their bloody footprints would have followed them.

Angry Poodle

Let’s start with the obvious. If it weren’t for Cheney ​— ​so radioactively effluvial with his contempt for open government ​— ​Santa Barbara’s county supervisors would never have been forced to put a countywide fracking ban on the November ballot. Yes, fracking has become the trendy cause du jour. Yes, right-wing gas bag Andy Caldwell is correct, the dubiously dubbed “Water Guardians” ​— ​(Do they wear capes and Lycra underpants?) ​— ​are, in fact, part of global conspiracy to stop fracking. That no fracking is now taking place in Santa Barbara County ​— ​or ever will ​— ​is totally beside the point. The real point is that when a group of nobodies comes out of nowhere to collect 20,000 signatures ​— ​despite serious resistance from the South Coast’s enviro establishment ​— ​in less than one month, one has to admit a raw nerve has been struck. The Halliburton Company ​— ​for which Cheney worked ​— ​may have invented fracking in 1940, but it was Cheney who really put the technology on the map. He made it scary. That’s because fracking involves the injection of hot steam (500 degrees) coupled with an alphabet soup of nasty chemicals ​— ​hundreds of feet under the earth’s surface to dislodge otherwise reluctant hydrocarbon molecules needed for the mass production of, among other thing, Lycra underpants. In 2001, Cheney began meeting secretly with executives representing the oil, gas, coal, and nuclear industries to hammer out a national energy policy to their liking. Four years later, the 2005 Energy Policy Act was hatched. In it, Cheney had inserted what’s known as “the Halliburton loophole,” which exempted fracking from the federal oversight and regulation to which it had hitherto been subjected under the terms of the Safe Drinking Water Act. Since then, vast fortunes have been made, and if frack-friendly states like Oklahoma have experienced a massive increase in number of earthquakes ​— ​from three to 200 a year since 2008 ​— ​that, no doubt, is merely coincidental.

This Sunday, when Vandenberg Air Force Base launches yet another interceptor rocket equipped with a strap-on kill missile into space as part of a $40 billion missile defense program, we’ll have effervescently arrogant Donald Rumsfeld to thank. The test is to see if the kill vehicle can collide with a target missile launched from 5,000 miles away while traveling at a speed of about 4 miles a second. If we succeed, we can blast anything out of the sky the North Koreans might lob our way. The Ronald Reagan White House spent $30 billion studying the idea ​— ​dubbed Star Wars ​— ​but it never got off the drawing boards. But Rumsfeld helped resurrect it during the Reign of W. According to Los Angeles Times reporter David Willman, Rumsfeld helped the Missile Defense program bypass all the Pentagon’s well-established procurement rules designed to protect the American taxpayer from dingbat ideas. In so doing, he secured the billions needed to transform a Buck Rogers fantasy and declare it fully “operational.” As a result, 30 American missile silos are now occupied with missile defense interceptor rockets capable of carrying the strap-ons into space. Four are at Vandenberg. But declaring something “operational” is a far cry from working the kinks out. The author of a recent National Academy of Sciences report termed the results nothing less than “abysmal.” Of the 16 tests to date, eight have failed. In two, the interceptors couldn’t get out of the silos. It’s getting worse, not better. Of the last eight, five failed. Of the last three, all failed. Each test costs $200 million. We’d probably inflict more damage just dropping that money on North Korea. Apparently whatever afflicted Rumsfeld is contagious. President Obama’s defense secretary, Chuck Hagel, has concluded that if 30 unreliable interceptor rockets aren’t sufficient, we need to spend even more money on the same bad idea. To that end, he has vowed to increase the fleet size from 30 to 44.

Last but not least, there’s the possibility of yet another military engagement in Iraq. Third time’s the charm? Not to belabor the obvious, but Cheney and Rumsfeld had their fingerprints all over War I (1990), and in the wake of 9/11, they told whatever lies they deemed necessary to stampede a grief-stricken nation into War II. Now I learn that ISIS was not an Egyptian mother goddess but instead a scourge of Sunni fundamentalist warriors so hardcore even Al-Qaeda kicked them out. Naturally, the United States helped train ISIS in hopes of destabilizing Syrian dictator Assad. ISIS, it turns out, has its own agenda: to topple both Syria and Iraq. Last week, 30,000 U.S-trained Iraqi soldiers fled before ISIS’s advance on the city of Mosul, as did 500,000 civilians. The conquering army reportedly made themselves at home, executing 1,700 Shia. This week, the Shia returned the favor, executing 44 Sunni. Hey, didn’t we just send one million U.S. troops to Iraq for eight years to stabilize the joint? Compared to the 500,000 people who prematurely met their makers in that war, the United States got off easy. But try telling that to the families of the 4,500 killed or the 32,000 wounded. Thank you for your service, but can we get a refund on the $1.7 trillion we spent in Iraq?

No? I’m sure Dick and Don are good for it. Just check their money for blood stains. Makes the bills stick together.


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Cheney told us in 94 that Iraq was a volatile quagmire to be avoided at all costs. Was it the allure of petrodollars that miraculously changed his mind? Now he lambasts Obama for not having a magic wand to wave and make the whole mess go away. What a snake.
I say round up all the Cheney's , all the Bushes and Rumsfelds, Addingtons , Rices and all the other chicken hawks , strap on the rifles and ship them off to Iraq to try and complete their " courageous mission" .

geeber (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2014 at 6:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why not spend your column inches on the lies, lawlessness, arrogance, and misdeeds of our current president instead of rehashing the past?

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2014 at 7:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree John. This is the most divisive and incompetent president in U.S. history. The results of a recent Wall Street Journal poll, assisted by one Obama media outlet shows his approval rating on foreign policy at 35%. His supporters must criticize the usual targets from the past. The VA scandal, the Bergdahl disgrace, Benghazi lies, and the IRS scandal remain. It amazes me that the BHO folks would insult the intelligence of the American people by claiming "my dog ate my hard drive" in a pathetic attempt to keep the truth of Lois Lerner's misdeeds from the people. Some very conservative right wing theorists suspect the alleged Benghazi suspect now in custody is cruising around on a US ship while BHO operatives try to get him to say that the attack was video inspired. Yet, Trey and his committee await. I would imagine this president uses a lot of antacid every day. One foreign affairs expert the liberals do not like rated BHO as the greatest threat to our national security. That is most likely the case. Any bets on whether this president makes it to the end of his term without being impeached???

letrianon (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2014 at 8:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Typical progressive mind-set. Blame someone else and turn a blind eye to the abuses of 6 long painful years of the Obama administration.

JarvisJarvis (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2014 at 8:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

becuz j-lo, the past is here again. mean like uppity.

lawdy (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2014 at 8:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Six years of Obama dealing with what the Bush-Cheney administration left in their wake. They had 8 years to trash the place - war, economic ruin, diplomatic embarrassment -- that never should have happened and would not have happened if an honest and honorable team had been in office. Our mess in Iraq is their legacy. You right-wingers will never give Obama an inch because you can't stand who he is. You resort to really stupid lies and false accusations and refuse to give as much as a nod to his accomplishments (the economy has been righted, unemployment is way down) and criticize the healthcare program even though it turns out to be a great success. (You're always looking for an example that "proves" its a failure, but those examples mostly turn out to be false.) Obama has been a truly great and inspirational leader. He is not perfect. But he has more integrity, humanity, intelligence, and good sense than the callous, money-grubbing, deceitful exploiters who preceded him.

LaFleur (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2014 at 8:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

@JarvisJarvis: "Typical progressive mind-set. Blame someone else and turn a blind eye to the abuses of 6 long painful years of the Obama administration."

Typical conservative mindset - trash the country and blame the people who followed you for not cleaning it up fast enough.

EatTheRich (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2014 at 8:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why not spend your column inches on the lies, lawlessness, arrogance, and misdeeds of our current president instead of rehashing the past?"
Because W's mistakes are still oozing.

Hemlockroid (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2014 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As a result, 30 American missile silos are now occupied with missile defense interceptor rockets ..."
i don't think that's right. Only VAFB and Alaska.

Hemlockroid (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2014 at 9:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The reason why we should remember history and what a horrible Presidency Bush and his cabinet led is because as we go into the next election it is important to remember who got Obama into all of this mess. Remember it was the policies of the Bush administration that caused the recession, Obama's policies merely made it worse and extended it.

At the same time, it's also important to recognize that Obama has embraced all of the same horrible policies as the Bush administration and has entrenched these policies even deeper into the system. From drone strikes that kill innocent people, spying on Americans, taking away our civil liberties, helping to cover up CIA ties to terrorist organizations who attack us, bailing out the banks and Wall St. while leaving the people high and dry with all of the economic burden.

Hillary isn't going to fix this mess, Jeb Bush isn't going to fix this mess. It's time for a real change in Washington for once.

It's time for Rand Paul 2016. We need a more humble foreign policy and a sensible economic policy. But we don't need somebody who talks about it just to get elected, we need somebody to actually carry it out.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2014 at 10:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I would love to see a list of the purported lies of the Obama administration compared to just the 900+ about the war from the Bush/Cheney disastrous years. Rightwingers keep on saying Obama lied - what did he lie about? I would say that Darrell Issa has lied more than Obama.

I was pleased to read that even Megyn Kelly of Fox News took Cheney to task about how many of his statements about Iraq were completely wrong.

Obama had to clean up a huge mess, and for me, both the Reagan and Bush/Cheney years were the most painful. The Clinton years were the best, but he was not left as big as mess as Obama was. The country was in virtual collapse, and the world economy was teetering at the end of 2008. I remember shopping malls were deserted, tent camps were set up for the newly homeless because of the real estate mess, people were sleeping in cars, jobs were being lost at 700,000 a month. And the Obama years were painful? Wake up.

tabatha (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2014 at 10:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tabatha, could you possibly be any more partisan? You lose any credibility that you might have by what is so obviously a partisan diatribe.

Botany (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2014 at 10:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Donald Rumsfield was recently interviewed by Kai Ryssdal on his Marketplace show (a daily business wrapup). It was very obvious Rumsfield is living in a bubble of his own making. The man refuses to acknowledge any of the onerous errors he made with Iraq and at one point even blamed Bush. Robert McNamara may have screwed up in Vietnam, but he eventually came clean. Rummy on the other hand seems destined to go to his grave thinking he's a hero of the nation.

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2014 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It is really sad to see Republicans here defending the Bush administration, the Bush administration was anything but conservative and was responsible for turning this country toward its downfall. Obama merely continued on their same trajectory, maybe stepping a little harder on the gas pedal. Instead of electing somebody who might step lightly on the brakes but not turn the car away from the cliff is not the solution, we deserve better.

Let's see what the Bush administration actually did with the Presidency:

- Bush campaigned on a humble foreign policy, no nation building and a limited government in the US

Then when he was elected he filled his cabinet with PNAC members (Project for a New American Century), founded by Bill Kristol and of which Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld were both members. This think-tank organization compiled reports in the late 1990s about how the US military needed to go into the Middle East and actively re-organize boundaries and get rid of leaders who were not friendly to western business and banking interests. In other words, nation building... precisely what Bush campaigned against.

PNAC specifically outlined how the American public would not be willing to engage the Middle East militarily because they didn't see them as a threat to the us here on our home soil. So they said that what was needed was a catalyzing event, a "New Pearl Harbor" was needed to get the American public to support war in the Middle East.

After Bush was elected, this "New Pearl Harbor" was secretly being planned by members of PNAC and others who wanted us to go to war with the Middle East. Marvin Bush, George Bush's cousin was appointed to the Board of Directors of the security company that provided security for Dulles, American Airlines and The World Trade Center towers. In the year before the 9/11 attacks, both buildings had major renovations done on the elevator shafts which provided the main structural component for the towers. While the elevators shafts were being renovated, a team came in and set up demolitions in the elevator shafts and on some of the floors where the planes were going to hit (since the planes that the hit the buildings on 9/11 were being controlled remotely, and were very likely empty drones that switched with the hijacked planes, there is evidence for this in the flight data).

So the security company helped get the terrorists on board the planes safely, at which point they were likely holding some of the drills that the military was running that day where terrorists would hijack aircraft and run them into the world trade center. These training drills account for much of the evidence that we were given by the media that the planes had been hijacked - we had famous people calling their relatives from the planes and describing what was going on, etc.


loonpt (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2014 at 12:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)


Then there were war games which were taking place in western Canada, and most of our air force had been pulled from the north atlantic sector that day so hijacked planes could not be shot down. Not to mention, the official NORAD tapes that have been released by the government show us that not only was there vast confusion coming from the fact that there were dozens of false radar blips from the hijack training exercises so they weren't able to actually track the real hijacked planes, it turns out the PHONE LINES between the FAA and NORAD were mysteriously down that day.. Don't trust me, go listen to the NORAD tapes that were released by the government yourself, you can hear all of this happening in person. And we wonder why they didn't shoot down the plane that hit the Pentagon almost 2 hours after the first plane hit the first tower.. There were major obstacles purposely placed in front of these agencies.

Not to mention, Dick Cheney gave a mysterious order to either shoot down, or not shoot down the plane that was approaching the Pentagon.. but logic would tell us that based on the Mineta testimony, the order was to NOT shoot down the plane, because as the plane got closer to the Pentagon the officer who was receiving orders from Cheney kept asking him if the "order still stands". If a military threat is coming closer and the order is to shoot it, you don't keep asking if you can shoot it. If a military threat is coming closer and the order is NOT to shoot it, as it gets closer and closer a reasonable person may continue to inform their commanding officer and continue to ask if the protection order still stands. "Of course the order still stands, have I said anything to contrary?!" screamed Cheney, when the plane was 10 times out.

9/11. Was an inside job. There is no question. Do your research.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2014 at 12:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"I would love to see a list of the purported lies of the Obama administration" -Tabatha

The film "The Obama Deception" has been out for almost 6 years which documents dozens of lies that happened just in the first few months of his Presidency.

You might actually like the film, as many of the lies were campaign promises that Obama made which he specifically opposed once he became President. If you liked all of the campaign promises that were delivered in the 2008 campaign, then you may be very disappointed to see which actions he took to oppose those promises in just the very first few months as President, and what a devastating impact that has had on our country ever since.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2014 at 12:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You might wonder why I'm so interested in educating people about 9/11 when it happened almost 13 years ago... The reason is because they got away with it, they are going to do it again.

Lindsey Graham: The Next 9/11 Is Coming from Iraq and Syria, and it’s ‘Inevitable’

loonpt (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2014 at 1:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In other words, It will only be through wholesale public rejection of the government's narrative of the next attack that Lindsey Graham speaks of that will prevent this nation from going Full Nazi Retard.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2014 at 1:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

...Nick...does this mean you WON'T be donating money to the Ronald Reagan library?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2014 at 5 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The angry Poodle left out the current VA situation! It was recently reported that the VA hospital in Phoenix handed out about ten million in bonuses over the past three years... We all know what the president thinks about bonuses!
no way could he be part of these conspiracies to rake the people of hard earn taxes while leaving protectors of democracy to die,
(I imagine if Obama knew about it, he would have cut his ongoing Hawaiian vacations short and race back on Air Force One to get things done!)
Let's just hope the indy is part of the president's morning reading regiment... Before it's too late!

touristunfriendly (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2014 at 6:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

loonpt wrote:
"'s also important to recognize that Obama has embraced all of the same horrible policies as the Bush administration and has entrenched these policies even deeper into the system. From drone strikes that kill innocent people, spying on Americans, taking away our civil liberties, helping to cover up CIA ties to terrorist organizations who attack us, bailing out the banks and Wall St. while leaving the people high and dry with all of the economic burden.

Hillary isn't going to fix this mess, Jeb Bush isn't going to fix this mess. It's time for a real change in Washington for once."


Well stated, imho.

I challenge anyone who thinks there's anything but a few trifling style differences between the jackass gang and the elephant gang to spend five minutes here…

'5-minute video: US ‘leaders’ JOKE about OBVIOUS War Crimes, war lies, war murders: Arrest them'

…and rebut that they're ALL psychopaths.

The USA federal government has murdered, in the past 60 years alone, in 201 armed conflicts it initiated, against countries that did not attack us and were no threat to us, approximately 30 million people (i.e. on average: 500,000 per year):

'Earth: 248 armed conflicts after WW2; US started 201 (81%), killing 30 million'

Would anyone care to tabulate how many of these 30 million people were murdered when the jackass gang was in charge and how many when the elephant gang was in charge.

People who haven't been paying attention for the past 12 years and 9 months might want to start, if only for self-preservation; as the rest of the planet is fed up and not willing to put up with this much longer, the criminals and psychopaths, of both major parties, D.C. puppets for the "deep state" [ ], are rapidly turning their attention to "the Homeland" (a Nazi term, not incidentally).

JohnTieber (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2014 at 6:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Another park, another Sunday.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
June 19, 2014 at 9:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Maybe it's not too late to partition the sumbiatch, which we should have done long since. Our show-democracy was a real house of cards, wasn't it? If we wanted to drive a stake into the heart of Ba'ath (as Rumsfeld put it), we could have boxed in the Sunnis between a fortified Shiastan and "South Kurdistan," leaving the Sunnis without oil fields. Ethnic and religious groups will fight to defend borders, if nothing else.

Fortunately, Iran has stepped up to the plate, in defense of "our" "friends," the Arab Shiia in the south. Maybe they'll expend a lot of ordnance and equipment in the process. It wasn't going to look like Dubai anyway.

atomic_state (anonymous profile)
June 20, 2014 at 12:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Our foreign policy is even more silly than my comments.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
June 20, 2014 at 12:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dolphinpod14 (et al):

'US Foreign Policy Flow Chart' (Andy Singer)

JohnTieber (anonymous profile)
June 20, 2014 at 8:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I've been awaiting to "Boots on the Ground", in Iran. Now were doing business with the Iranians?

dou4now (anonymous profile)
June 20, 2014 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well dou4now maybe you should ask this guy:

loonpt (anonymous profile)
June 20, 2014 at 11:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dou4now wrote:
" we're doing business with the Iranians..."

It's complicated ;-) :


P.S. "the Iranians" (and not directed at dou4now):

'Ten Reasons Why Iranians are the Kindest People in the World (to Foreigners)'

[29 images of Iran and Iranians]

[30 images of Iran and Iranians]

'Iran's Rouhani: 'People Are Tired of War'

'What Do These Beautiful People Have In Common?'

JohnTieber (anonymous profile)
June 20, 2014 at 1:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Doing business with the Iranians is not complicated: Just ask Ronald Reagan.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
June 20, 2014 at 3:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In fact the Iranian government, most notably Mohammad Khatami who was the President from 1997-2005. Not only were there candlelight vigils across Iran for the victims of 9-11- the Khatami administration offered help in both defeating Al Qaeda, and again in the war against Iraq. Instead they were branded a nation of terrorists by the W. Buth administration, helping pave the way to Ahmadinejad's reactionary presidency.
The current President is thought of as a moderate. Perhaps we can make lemonade from lemons at last.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 20, 2014 at 9:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We are insular and afraid.

atomic_state (anonymous profile)
June 21, 2014 at 7:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Everybody has their limits, even Al-Qaeda disavows ISIS as being "too extreme".

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 21, 2014 at 10:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't worry, the fabulous and progressive Hilary will be our next president. She not only voted for the insane war but the currently available recording of her laughing about getting an obviously guilty rapist let off is also fabulous. And no, don't even start about the responsibility of a lawyer to her client; that does not have to include making fun of the raped woman that she knew had in fact been raped.
Female, pro war, anti rape victim, subservient to her philandering and misogynist husband(who I thought was a very good president) ; how can she not be the champion of the left?

nomoresanity (anonymous profile)
June 21, 2014 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

nomoresanity (et al):

Re: Hillary Clinton

In the event anyone missed it above, the cackling psychopath Hillary Clinton is featured in the first 47 seconds of the [05:48] video here, as well as in the final 27 seconds of the segment on Iran (01:38 - 03:22) .

'5-minute video: US ‘leaders’ JOKE about OBVIOUS War Crimes, war lies, war murders: Arrest them'

JohnTieber (anonymous profile)
June 21, 2014 at 1:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Back to the topic at hand. Isis could prove to be a unifying factor in the MidEast: against them. Has one country or other organization spoken out in support of Isis? None that I know of.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 21, 2014 at 1:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hillary's #1 duty will be to cultivate power, so, yes, we should expect more war. GWB was presumably hand-selected as front-man for power, but Hillary pro-actively seeks out power (which = election campaign support.)

atomic_state (anonymous profile)
June 21, 2014 at 2:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hillary's cackling, like a cackling banty hen. BTW, notice how similar Obama's voice is to Nixons.

@JohnMcCain: Keep your day job, your better at oppressing people than making us laugh.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
June 21, 2014 at 5:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Alex Jones ? Really, loonpt?

Here is a debunking. But, I guess that would be too much for you.

tabatha (anonymous profile)
June 22, 2014 at 4:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Not even Alex Jones believes Alex Jones.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 22, 2014 at 4:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Loonpt: You have walked into a room with rational people; please remove your tin foil hat.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
June 22, 2014 at 5:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

His head is made of tin foil you dingbat, he cannot simply remove his hat to solve this problem...

nomoresanity (anonymous profile)
June 23, 2014 at 7:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Nick - Star Wars was was off the drawing board and in production in Goleta over thirty years ago at SBRC (Raytheon); one of the classified projects in progress in the lab I worked in.

I'm still amazed that there's no interest in the $230 TRILLION Rumsfeld announced was missing from the Pentagon's budget on 9/10/01.
The GDP of the EU was $17.358 in 2013, and that's the total GDP of the 28 nations in the European Union. And then there's all that gold bullion missing from the basement of the Twin Towers...

14noscams (anonymous profile)
June 24, 2014 at 3:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

14noscams wrote:
"...I'm still amazed that there's no interest in the $230 TRILLION Rumsfeld announced was missing from the Pentagon's budget on 9/10/01..."

Well, here's 21 seconds worth of interest, from [00:52] to [01:13] ;-) :

[06:00] '911 Truth ~ 9/11 In a Nutshell'

JohnTieber (anonymous profile)
June 24, 2014 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Cheney Predicts Attack ‘Far Deadlier’ Than 9/11 on U.S. Within This Decade"

Stay out of big cities, ESPECIALLY if you hear about a government run drill of any kind. There is usually a drill running during I'd say about 95%+ false flag and government staged incidents.

Remember the LAX shooter? That happened during a live government drill where they were running exercises on thwarting a would-be live shooter in the airport. Boston Bombing, Sandy Hook, Aurora Batman Shooter, Virginia Tech Shooting, London Subway Bombing, Madrid Bombing, 9/11 Attacks, Oklahoma City Bombing, Norway Oslo Attacks, Taft Union High School shooting, all these happened while concurrent government drills for the same thing were being run. Why doesn't the media talk about this? What the hell does any of this have to do with "tin foil"? Why do you let a stupid joke that doesn't make any sense get in the way of finding out about the truth about the world around you?

loonpt (anonymous profile)
June 24, 2014 at 7:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Published: February 4, 2009
WASHINGTON — In an interview two weeks after leaving office, former Vice President Dick Cheney predicted a “high probability” of a nuclear or biological attack in the next few years

Who the heck listens to "no doubt" and "we will be greeted as liberators" Cheney?

9/11 happened because OBL was furious that American troops were on Saudi Arabian soil. You may not have noticed that some time after 9/11, American troops were withdrawn from Saudi Arabia.

Obama has removed US troops from Iraq and is doing so from Afghanistan.

tabatha (anonymous profile)
June 24, 2014 at 9:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

the dork Cheney has been predicting gloom and doom for decades, what a tiny little freak he is. We're a global empire, the other pretend-empires [Putin, China] chase at our heels and nip us when they can: of course a more deadly attack could happen, but an asteroid might also hit or one of us fall dead of a stroke in two seconds. So get over worrying about it, loon.

DavyBrown (anonymous profile)
June 24, 2014 at 9:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Only a fool or a sociopath takes pride in being a great 'empire',

And more accurately, what I'm worried about is a covert operation where people who are rightfully angry over the activities of our violent empire in their lands (like OBL and some of the 9/11 terrorists) are enabled and exploited by intelligence agencies to commit a violent attack against innocent people that will help politicians justify to the public through media propaganda a violent retaliation millions of times over against people who had nothing to do with the initial attack the reasons for which will be heavily distorted. Tabatha is right about the reasons why OBL and the terrorists don't like the US, remember Dick Cheney told us they hated us because of our freedom.

Yes, because this is such a free country, we have the highest prison population in the world.. In fact, I am having a hard time hearing Shawn Hannity right now on Fox News over all this freedom **burp**

loonpt (anonymous profile)
June 24, 2014 at 10:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nomoresanity, Y R U being a mean 1 and calling clausen a "dingbat"?

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
June 24, 2014 at 10:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

no pride in imperial status, loon, but it is an accurate description, best face up to it.

DavyBrown (anonymous profile)
June 25, 2014 at 8:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"no pride in imperial status, loon, but it is an accurate description, best face up to it."

Not only have I "faced up to it", I have been actively promoting that term more than you have and it plays very well into my other arguments that you disagree with.

Do you even linguistics, bro?

loonpt (anonymous profile)
June 25, 2014 at 11:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

John Tieber: There's more than 21"; but no interest in an investigation

2000: Rumsfeld was director of a company awarded a $200m contract to sell nuclear reactors to North Korea
2002: Rumsfeld declares North Korea a terrorist state, part of the axis of evil and a target for regime change
Randeep Ramesh
The Guardian, Friday 9 May 2003

This one is scary: During the Reagan administration, Rumsfeld and Cheney secretly planned for the operation of the US government following a nuclear attack. They decided not to reconvene congress.

Context of '1981-1992: Cheney and Rumsfeld Practice Secret Continuity of Government Plan Activated on 9/11'

Since Obama's attempt to nuke N Carolina in Oct 2013, the Guardian has published disinfo confusing this incident with one involving a nuke several decades ago.

"U.S. military police were targeted and killed by Obama in the Washington DC Navy Yard shooting. Why? Agents from the U.S. military’s criminal investigation units agents had uncovered a plot to detonate a nuclear device in the nation’s capitol as part of an Obama government false flag. NCIS (US Naval Criminal Investigative Service) officials and the U.S. Office of the Provost (both with field offices inside the DC Navy Yard) had threatened to arrest Obama for planning to attack Syria without Congressional approval following a planned nuclear detonation false flag in Washington DC. The Office of the Provost is on the second floor of Building 34, One First Avenue, Charlestown Navy Yard and NCIS is located at 716 SICARD STREET SE, SUITE 2000, WASHINGTON NAVY YARD, DC."
DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano ABC News Aug 27, 2013: “A massive and “serious” cyber attack on the U.S. homeland is coming, and a natural disaster — the likes of which the nation has never seen — is also likely on its way.“

14noscams (anonymous profile)
June 25, 2014 at 4:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

9/11 was the event David Rockefeller referred to here; an event in a decades-long process:

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
- David Rockefeller

9/11 had nothing to do with Osama bin Laden. The undamaged Saudi Arabian passports belonging to the "terrorist" pilots, some of whom are alive today, had no connection to Osama bin Laden or Afghanistan. The Mossad agents arrested by NYPD on 9/11, who had set up video equipment in advance to record "the event" , driving a van with a graphic of the towers being hit by an airliner, had nothing to do with Osama bin Laden. The arresting officer's call to NYPD dispatch describing the van is posted online.

"In 1978, Bush and Osama bin Laden's brother, Salem bin Laden, founded Arbusto Energy, an oil company based in Texas.

Several bin Laden family members invested millions in The Carlyle Group, with George H.W. Bush senior advisor . After news of the bin Laden-Bush connection became public, Bush stepped down from Carlyle.

On Sept. 11, 2001, members of the Carlyle Group - including Bush senior and his former secretary of state, James Baker – met at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Washington, D.C., along with Shafiq bin Laden, another one of Osama bin Laden's brothers.

While all flights were halted following the terrorist attacks, there was one exception made: The White House authorized planes to pick up 140 Saudi nationals, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, living in various cities in the U.S. to bring them back to Saudi Arabia, where they would be safe. They were never interrogated."

14noscams (anonymous profile)
June 25, 2014 at 4:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"On December 4, 2001, less than three months after 9-11, Bush spoke at a Town Hall meeting in Orlando, Florida. He took questions.

QUESTION: Jordan’s in third grade. And Jordan has a did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack?
Bush: Well, Jordan , you’re not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card — actually I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower — the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, “There’s one terrible pilot.” And I said, “It must have been a horrible accident.”

The Mossad agents recorded the Twin Tower attacks live. TV news crews didn't have advance warning or live coverage of plane strikes."

Don't worry about Alex Jones - Zbigniew Brzezinski's 1981 book "The Technotronic Era makes Jones sound about as outlandish and controversial as the patent information printed on packages of toilet paper. The important difference between these two people is that Brzezinski was Carter's National Security Advisor when he wrote this, a CFR and Committee of 300 member, and a member of Polish Black Nobility. The Club of Rome is a group of Committee of 300 members chosen to create the straw man arguments of peak oil and AGW as a means of instituting global totalitarian fascism and rationalizing the murder of 95% of the world's population, but he doesn't have a radio show or website.

14noscams (anonymous profile)
June 25, 2014 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)


Politicizing the 9/11 globalist conspiracy to lay the blame on Bush/Cheney is meant to leave the matter unresolved and the perpetrators free to continue unimpeded in their quest for total domination. It's a lot like blaming the CIA for the Kennedy assassination - it ends the quest for the truth. Both parties are complicit in this nefarious business and until there is an authentic regime change - getting rid of the whole lot - the truth about all the wars of the last hundred years, the assassinations and the false flag terrorism will never be sought, much less discovered.

dewdly (anonymous profile)
June 25, 2014 at 5:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ah the quest for the truth. When you jackasses get some actual proof that 9/11 was an inside job get back to us. For now just STFU.

Herschel_Greenspan (anonymous profile)
June 25, 2014 at 6:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Actually there is plenty of proof including 6, count them 6 dust samples collected around the WTC towers that have tested positive for both exploded and unexploded military grade nano thermite. You can also watch dozens of hours of documentaries that contain more than enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the 19 hijackers were not alone and had help pulling off the attack as well as ample evidence of the subsequent cover-up. Until your mental capacity increases so that you have the ability to consider a set of evidence simultaneously and put all of the facts together rather than looking for a single smoking gun, and until you are willing to take a slow, rational approach to studying the matter you will continue to remain willingly lost.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
June 25, 2014 at 6:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Show us a credible source Loon other than some anonymous blogger or homemade video composed of nothing but text.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 25, 2014 at 7:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dewdly - I agree; that's a strawman. tabatha's comment, not mine.
I copied that because it was there, not because I thought it was relevant to my comment, and didn't realize the confusion.

I mentioned the 1981 secret COG planning only in reference to the Oct. 2013 nuke attempt, because I think the plan was to institute martial law based on FEMA camp preparations that coincided with it and because of Reno's EMP warnings preceding it.
Bush may have activated COG plans on 9/11 to support the "terrorist attack" disinfo, but it's not important to 9/11. Anyway, Cheney is an evil sadistic crook, but I don't know if he's on the same level as Bush,Kissinger, Brzezinski, or the bankers.

The illuminati groups I mentioned are based in Europe, so US politics is irrelevant, and propaganda for the wars in the early 20th century was from Wellington House, before Tavistock etc. was well established here, so M16 in the UK was more important than US politics.

Skull & Bones isn't partisan, the illuminati organization in the US, and the Zion in Adam Weishaupt's protocols that the illuminati follow is a Masonic term.

14noscams (anonymous profile)
June 25, 2014 at 7:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's a good start:

"Steven Jones earned his bachelor's degree in physics, magna cum laude, from Brigham Young University in 1973, and his Ph.D. in physics from Vanderbilt University in 1978. Jones conducted his PhD research at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center (from 1974 to 1977), and post-doctoral research at Cornell University and the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility.[8]

He was principal investigator for experimental muon-catalyzed fusion from 1982 to 1991 for the U.S. Department of Energy, Division of Advanced Energy Projects. From 1990 to 1993, Jones studied deuterium based fusion in the context of condensed matter physics under U.S. Department of Energy and Electric Power Research Institute sponsorship. Jones also collaborated in experiments at other physics labs, including TRIUMF (Vancouver, British Columbia), KEK (Tsukuba, Japan), and the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory near Oxford University.[8]"

Published Study:

Short interview:

I have heard plenty of people attempt to debunk Dr. Steven Jones' work and I have not seen anything convincing. I've even heard the absurd theory that the red chips he studied was paint primer, which makes absolutely no sense based on the research Steven Jones conducted. There are seriously people being paid out there to lie about this stuff, don't fall for it.

The debunkings out on the internet don't stand up to intellectually scrutiny, you have to listen to both sides and be really careful. You cannot depend on debunkings to provide accurate information about what conspiracy theorists even say, they will literally twist or change what is said by conspiracy theorists just to make themselves sound correct to the indiscernible reader or viewer.

I'd also look into Professor Richard Gage who is an architect and has done a lot of presentations on the collapse of the buildings themselves.

Yes, you can read or watch material on both sides but I'm warning you don't rely on the information that is used to discredit these individuals to learn about them because I have found it to be very untruthful and faulty.

I have no doubt Hershel is going to come back and attack the Bentham Journal and one or two other points, but I urge everyone to look into this for yourself, into the SOURCE itself and don't rely on the debunkings or debunkers to learn about this stuff. You don't have to rely on me either, do the research for yourself.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
June 25, 2014 at 7:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The eyewitness in the following C-SPAN video states that FEMA were at the towers before the collapses, and an FBI agent indicated to him the buildings were going to "come down":

There was a highly organized plan to remove WTC debris.
It was hauled to Fresh Kills landfill, Staten Island.

Sorry, videos removed. This link has FEMA book covers showing the WTC as a terrorist target, and descriptions of the videos that have been removed.

9/11 information in the media is equivalent to the global warming coverage we've had for years, although AGW reporting has gotten a lot worse as it's become increasingly obvious that it's fiction.

14noscams (anonymous profile)
June 25, 2014 at 8:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mayor Giuliani:
"... the reason Pier 92 was selected as a command center was because on the next day, on September 12, Pier 92 was going to have a drill, it had hundreds of people here, from FEMA, from the Federal Government, from the State, from the State Emergency Management Office, and they were getting ready for a drill for biochemical attack. So that was gonna be the place they were going to have the drill. The equipment was already there, so we were able to establish a command center there, within three days, that was two and a half to three times bigger than the command center that we had lost at 7 World Trade Center. And it was from there that the rest of the search and rescue effort was completed."

Incidentally, the command center at WTC 7 was very likely where the 9/11 attacks were being coordinated from, and thus one of the reasons building 7 was purposely demolished that day (to destroy the evidence). The other reasons they demolished WTC 7 was because it contained case files for the Enron and Worldcomm investigations as well as case files for dozens of active investigations involving insider trading (Federal Trade Commission). There was a NY CIA headquarters with all of the Osama Bin Laden files was destroyed, so they were able to turn him into a cartoon caricature villain and hide their relationship with him and his family. There were also banks involved in laundering drug money for the CIA, and their records were destroyed as well. How convenient.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
June 25, 2014 at 8:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All intelligence agency records were in Building 7.

The British "elite" - Rothschilds et al, established their economic dominance through the opium trade, as the founders of the British East India Company.

14noscams (anonymous profile)
June 25, 2014 at 11:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Its all a Jewish-Muslim conspiracy. Al Queda and the Knesset are in on it, as is the KKK, the Jehova's Witnesses, and the LCMS branch of the Lutheran church.

I have compiled these facts from listening to a lot of late night talk radio, and opening my formerly closed mind with psychedelic drugs which given me new insight that I share only with Loonpt, with whom I communicate telepathically.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
June 25, 2014 at 11:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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