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Tuesday, May 6, 2014
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Gerald Torres, 43, of Santa Barbara was arrested for DUI Saturday afternoon after he went off the road and crashed his 1998 Yamaha motorcycle into a traffic sign and fence while traveling westbound on Casitas Pass Road. Torres and his 8-year-old son were ejected from the motorcycle. Torres, who was wearing an open-face helmet, suffered major head injuries and lacerations, according to a press release from California Highway Patrol. The 8-year-old boy, who was wearing a full-face helmet, sustained minor abrasions to his right leg and was released to a family member at the scene. Torres, who is a pastor at Reality, a Christian ministry based in Carpinteria, was admitted to Santa Barbara Cottage Hospital on Saturday.

Pastor Tyler Morgan of Reality submitted a statement about the incident. It appears below:

Saturday afternoon May 3, Pastor Gerald Torres and his son were in a motorcycle accident. Pastor Torres’s son was not injured other than a scraped shin. Pastor Torres has severe lacerations to his face, a broken nose, hand, and ribs. He underwent surgery Sunday morning.

We are thankful for the sparing of Pastor Torres’s life, that he will recover from his injuries, and that his son did not suffer any significant harm.

Sadly, Pastor Torres had consumed alcohol and is currently being investigated by law enforcement for driving under the influence.

This is out of character for Pastor Torres, and it is not something that would be expected of him. It was a terrible mistake, and it is sin on his part. Pastor Torres is deeply broken and repentant because of his actions.

We acknowledge that our church wrestles with sin and failure. Gladly, we also experience forgiveness and restoration. This is the joy of the gospel of Jesus Christ, that we have all sinned greatly and that we have been forgiven because Jesus paid the price for our sins on the cross and we are restored to relationship with God.

So many have been deeply ministered to by Pastor Torres. His failure does not undo the positive influence he has had in many lives, in our church, and in our community.

Pastor Torres has always pointed us to the grace of God, where we find forgiveness and help in our time of need. Now it is our opportunity to surround him as a community, extend grace, and point him and his family to the grace of God. Gerald and his family need to know that we love them deeply and are determined to walk through this with them.

While there is forgiveness and restoration, there are consequences to Pastor Torres’s action. The elders have put Pastor Torres on leave for an undetermined period of time, and he agrees wholeheartedly with this decision.

We love Pastor Torres and his family. We are praying for them and are committed to their healing and well-being.

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Praying for You Pastor G and Family!!

As Proud Believer, Mother, Wife, Sister in Christ, Daughter of our Sovereign savior and apart of the Reality family We Love unconditionally and Stand in Support of Pastor G and his Family! Not for the actions at hand but as the Person He is and all God has made him to be! My heart breaks for their circumstance and the perdicament they are in for which I can empathize and sympathize for the family. We Know that God has great purpose for Everyone, Redeems our sin and Will turn it around for his Glory!!

Pastor G and Reality has made a Huge Life Changing Impact on My Families Life and has brought Healing, Redemption, Salvation, Restoration and Love back into our Broken Home.

We Love The Torres Family and are here for the Family as they've been there for us.

BlessedMamaof2 (anonymous profile)
May 6, 2014 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I want to say "dumbass" but we've all done stupid things haven't we?

This is sad and shows a lack of judgement in someone who is in a position to lead and counsel others. So. Dad will be OK and boy is fine.

This could have been SO MUCH worse. How embarrassing but hey, you drink a few and then go for a fun ride with your 8 year old. I think you deserve some pain and suffering. Publicity and a DUI. Seems about right to me. I bet he wished he could turn the clock back on this one.

emmahasarrived (anonymous profile)
May 6, 2014 at 11:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What does this guy's day job have to do with the crime? I don't think he should be viewed/reported on differently than any other inconsiderate, child endangering drunk.

SB2SB (anonymous profile)
May 6, 2014 at 12:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Praying for quick healing for Pastor Gerald. Praying for the whole Reality Carp family. May grace reign! -Ann from CCSB

engedi (anonymous profile)
May 6, 2014 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

America has it's own caste system. Instead of all humans on a level playing field, we have positions that enjoy power, benefits, get out of jail free cards, and apparently levels that are deemed closer to god than thou. How ridiculous that belief in certain things is a caste system unto itself.

spacey (anonymous profile)
May 6, 2014 at 2:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Getting drunk is one way to escape... "Reality".
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Camm67 (anonymous profile)
May 6, 2014 at 2:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There is never a rainbow on a sunny day. God put his rain bow down on a stormy day. There shall be no more condemnation. The rainbow reminds us of the covenant and second chances. I am praying for more rainbows for Pastor G and his family. A full spectrum recovery!

blanchesweet (anonymous profile)
May 6, 2014 at 3 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And when Jesus heard it, he said to them, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners." - Mark 2:17

JesusisReality (anonymous profile)
May 6, 2014 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Driving under the influence is bad enough but doing so with a child is just so much worse. While this individual may have ministered to many, he clearly demonstrated a HUGE lack of good judgement and intelligence. He could have injured/killed others on the road while driving, not to mention the harm that already occurred. Whether or not this is "out of character" the point is he made that choice, during the day time and with a (his) child. He clearly needs help himself and should not be advising anyone else what to do with their lives. He just happened to get lucky this time around.

pointofview (anonymous profile)
May 6, 2014 at 4:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I just hope they don't take away the kid from his father. Although admittedly this was very poor judgement that severely endangered his child, putting the child in state custody would make his life much worse.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
May 6, 2014 at 5 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Today a group of us in Ventura from various churches prayed for Pastor G and sang over him and his family that God will carry them through this tragedy.

Each of us praying today have experienced the grace, love, hope, and tenderness of Jesus. Our prayer is that at this Peter moment in Gerald's life, he will return in God's time with even greater compassion and authority to proclaim the redeeming work of Jesus to many.

FawnParish (anonymous profile)
May 6, 2014 at 5:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

@FawnParish - beautifully said. Jesus restores and redeems. Amen,

JesusisReality (anonymous profile)
May 6, 2014 at 7:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jesus restores and redeems ?

last I checked, Jesus is dead.

sbresident2 (anonymous profile)
May 6, 2014 at 7:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The article is one paragraph, and the religious excuse and forgiveness babble is 8 paragraphs. I wonder if the leave of absence from the church is paid or unpaid? Please someone respond that this tragic accident was somehow "Gods will"? Sober up and stay off the road before you kill one of us that hasn't been saved!

koolaiddrinker (anonymous profile)
May 6, 2014 at 7:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

regardless of this alternate "Reality" DUI on a motorcycle with an 8 year old passenger is reckless endangerment of a child. someday these folks will pay their taxes like the rest of us working class people... and society will evolve.

StockiestCastle (anonymous profile)
May 6, 2014 at 9:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Because Jesus restores and redeems nobody needs to worry about breaking the law in the Reality church? Curious logic. Last time I checked, it was against the law to drive drunk (DUI), against the law to drive a motorcycle without a motorcycle license, against the law to have a passenger on the back of a motorcycle who can't reach the foot pegs. The good pastor wasn't arrested and cited for nothing. When does the Reality church ever acknowledge that it's pastor may have actually strayed too far from what is acceptable behavior, especially as a responsible adult, parent, church leader and mentor - never?

pointofview (anonymous profile)
May 6, 2014 at 9:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The tomb is empty. He is risen. He forgives, redeems, and restores.

JesusisReality (anonymous profile)
May 6, 2014 at 9:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Many of us are emotionally drunk or craving vengence because we have been scapegoats in a crazy making alcoholic family system.

Or we had parents like "The Great Santini"

Thank you for reminding us that the tomb is empty. He is risen. He forgives, redeems, and restores.

blanchesweet (anonymous profile)
May 6, 2014 at 10:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

But can he bake a cherry pie?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 6, 2014 at 10:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Jesus, you have won me, you've broken every chain with love and mercy . . . You have triumphed over death and you are worthy of glory and praise . . . "

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 6, 2014 at 10:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He without sin cast the first stone. Praying for you @pointofview.

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 6, 2014 at 11:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

8 Jesus returned to the Mount of Olives, 2 but early the next morning he was back again at the Temple. A crowd soon gathered, and he sat down and taught them. 3 As he was speaking, the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery. They put her in front of the crowd.

4 “Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?”

6 They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger. 7 They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” 8 Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust.

9 When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman. 10 Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”

11 “No, Lord,” she said.

And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.”

JesusisReality (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 6:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It is NEVER okay to drink and drive and if the pastor did it that day then chances are it was not the first time. He could have killed an 8 year old boy with his bad decision! Choosing to drive while impaired is not a simple type of sin, it is a decision that has the potential to kill others and being a leader I hope that he is honest enough to step up, admit his choice and accept the consequences like the rest of society must. Yes his facial injuries are part of his lesson but legal consequences will be the other part. Hopefully his followers will encourage him to man up and try not to get out of this, if anything, since he IS an example to so many, he should be held to a higher standard and the consequence should be more severe. Just my two cents.

santabarbarasand (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 7:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A. I'm thankful both father and son will be OK
That being said, I was sad to find out all 12 of the Church Elders are men.
Really? It's 2014 and women make up a majority of our community and not one is worthy of being an Elder? What kind of REALITY is that???
A few women laying down some rules would do your organization some good, ya think?

koolaiddrinker (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Keep quoting the bible!!..it just makes you look like childfren who cant think or reason for yourselves.

I could find scripture that would condemn this guy for what he did.. so only pick the scripture you find happy at this point in time..yay!!

You know what they say about chimps, lots of time and a typewriter!!

xtians are just pawns in one of the biggest hoaxes thats ever been played on humankind.

You will not inherit the earth.. the meek get nothing but table scraps.. you only get what your master doesnt want.. think about being a master and not a slave.. but most of you xtians are already slaves and you dont even know it!!

audidriver2010 (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 8:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Seems to be a few angry comments out there. I must admit, I was quite upset myself when I first heard this news. How could this happen. Quite simple, we are ALL sinners and fall short of God's will, even Pastor G, myself and you. Those of you who are unable to forgive the Pastor for his stupidity should look in the mirror and ask yourself if you've ever done something stupid in your life or regretted a mistake you made. What's done is done. Let's continue to pray for Pastor G, his son and family and move forward. Chances are very good that the lesson has been learned and will not be repeated. Give thanks to God that Pastor G and his son lived to pass this valuable lesson on to others.

Josephbradford (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 9:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr. Bradford

People are miffed because first you have a drunk driver almost killing a kid; then our local news site gets taken over by proselytizing as if converts will be won and the world made free of drunk drivers.

Yep, people- even fellow Christians are a bit turned off.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I hope the scooter riders and motorcyclists out there are taking note of the different amount of damage done to the victims' faces with regard to the types of helmets they were wearing. Full face helmet = no damage; open face = major damage. If you're wearing an open face helmet on your two-wheeler, please at least consider the compromise of a modular or flip-up helmet unless you were planning on facial surgery anyway.

Den (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Nobody ever said it wasn't a bad move or that he won't be punished or that he is undeserving of legal repercussions. All Reality's statement is saying is that they love him unconditionally.

"When does the Reality church ever acknowledge that it's pastor may have actually strayed too far from what is acceptable behavior, especially as a responsible adult, parent, church leader and mentor - never?" asked pointofview. They already did. As soon as it happened they announced it to the entire church, released a press release, and took action - asking the pastor to step down. They aren't simply waving him past and ignoring his actions - they just aren't dwelling on it. And they're not treating him differently, because they love him. If someone in your family did something stupid like this would you publicly mock them and draw attention to their faults? I hope not. I hope you would love them and support them in the midst of it, not pardoning their actions, but also not picking them apart.

It's sad that people have turned this church's beliefs into something to mock them for. That's not even the issue at hand when it comes to the DUI. If they want to deal with it in a manner of grace and forgiveness, what does that hurt?

Jesus or no Jesus, there's nothing wrong with a family of people loving and supporting someone. It's not excuses or enabling, it's just unconditional love.

westongreen (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A good man who did a very wrong thing, once again with the help of that demon alcohol. Fortunately the outcome was not tragic, just sad and disappointing.
Recently another good man did a very wrong thing, also under the influence, but things took a tragic turn and despite his good works he has received no outpouring of support and wishes for healing all in the name of Jesus. I speak of course of Raymond Morua, who worked very hard in his veterans' community "...as he is both an Army veteran and community college graduate. While serving with the 1st Armored Division, he conducted tours of duty in both Germany and Iraq.

"After returning home, he enrolled at Ventura College, where he received an associate’s degree in international business and economics. At UCSB, he majored in political science and was active in student veterans’ organizations.

"For his involvement, he received a number of recognitions, including the UC President’s Award for Outstanding Student Leadership and a Congressional Certificate of Honor. Morua currently works for Rep. Capps on a wide range of issues and sits on the Santa Barbara County’s Veteran Services Advisory Committee." (Noozhawk, before Morua was the keynote speaker on 11/5/13 at SBCC Veterans Resource Day.

Of course it wasn't his first problem with driving and alcohol, but who can say that the good pastor hadn't done this before without consequence? It shows how quickly a life can go completely off the rails. I hope Jesus is also available for Mr. Morua.

nelsound (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 10:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

1. Mororcycles are DANGEROUS
2. Motorcycle with child on-board is just plain STUPID
3. Mororcyle with child on-board while intoxicated: JAIL TIME, CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES PLEASE TAKE OVER!
4. If a mom is around, MOM to be questioned as well--- allowing such stupidity! The fact the the child is OK is not the problem. What if he (GOD FORBID) was the one with the smashed head or worse?!
5. Where was Mr. Torres before the accident? All parties who saw Mr. Torres ride away with his 8 year old son on-board a motorcycle (I REPEAT ON-BOARD A MOTORCYCLE) ought to be ashamed of themselves and questioned by the authorities- and I believe- held responsible as well.
6. The fact that Mr. Torres is a PASTOR at a trendy church-- COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE. For the church leadership to do anything except KICK HIM OUT of their church and distance themselves (while, of course, offering up their prayers for him and his family) is the ONLY ACCEPTABLE thing to do.
SHAME ON ALL OF THE SILLY PEOPLE SUPPORTING THIS MAN! Bye bye Mr. Torres.. Kiss goodbye all that you have done leading to your decision to drink and drive with your boy on-board. You may have a few idiots who will 'support' you, but most of us are just shaking our head incredulously wondering how on earth anyone could be so selfish and just plain dumb. Have fun being overwhelmed by MADD and the VAL FOR MAL folks who are out there trying to stop people like you from littering our roads and endangering yourself, your son and the rest!

ireadthepaper (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 10:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You mean to tell me that this was not God's plan? That Jesus didnt fly down from the sky and save him from his own desires? That the fairies didnt swoop down and save this man and his child from disaster? NO! Tell me its not true!

Man, what a dick this guys is... This guy and most evangelical charlatans truly are the worst people on earth. They pray on the meek the weak minded and the less able.... and they do it for profit!!! The hypocrisy of the evangelicals is simply astounding. And the responses from his "flock" are eye-opening. These are some of the most gullible, most stupid people on earth. And they live among us...

The irony of a church named Reality is lost on most it seems. For there is nothing further from reality than an evangelical Christian mega church preaching its ignorant fueled mantra, week and week after week....

iamsomeguyinsb (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There's actually some discussion as to whether Reality is a cult.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...

Pastor Torres was at the center of another controversial Youth Camp/Pig Slaughter event..!

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/...

"After attending Reality Church and listening to a number of their core videos like their structure and their Realtional video I see a lot of similarities with other "Bible" cults like the Boston Church of Christ movement which started 20+ years ago, which is they teach the "bible" but they teach it in a very unbalanced way and with with a strong slant towards an unhealthy and unbiblical amount of control over people's lives. I recommend studying the well know mind control methodologies of other destructive cults and compare to Reality Church - www.howcultswork.com. I definitey will NOT be going back to Realty Church. "
-DS

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 11:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him. In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.…" - 1 John 4:9-11

JesusisReality (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 11:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Here son, let me show you how to knock back a few and go for a spin.

blahblahmoreblah (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Maybe the motorcycle was greased.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

so glad to see voices of reason. Hitler, Donald Sterling, Bundy-- all have supporters. I wonder where he was partying before the accident? Doesn't the leader of that church live around there? Word is that he bought a big house in that general neighborhood....nice going followers and supporters of the pastor and the Reality groupies....supporting such wonderful fruit baring individuals... yikes.. squirm squirm.. Maybe time to rethink the whole church thing. Doesn't look like God is abounding in blessings for these cronies..

ireadthepaper (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 12:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gotta love Christians. No matter what they learn, no matter what they read, no matter which version of history and fable they choose to follow, they will deny any possibility that their version isnt the absolute matter of fact truth... Talk about ignorance! You people are hilarious except that you cause more pain, more suffering and more death than any other. But let's not let factual history get in the way of your faith...

http://www.latintimes.com/1500-year-o...

JesusisReality = what do you say to the Gospel of Barnabas? Or do you just pick and choose which and what to believe? You know, kinda like the buffet lines American Christians love so much...

iamsomeguyinsb (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 12:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Christians are not all alike in belief, lifestyle or theological action. Best not to cast your net too wide. Unfortunately extremists and the corrupt hiding under the banner of Christianity have taken over the public perception of all Christians.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 12:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The moment you bring in "sin" & "Jesus" & "god" and anything else pathetically irrelevant, the stupider you religitards looks. Hopefully, St. Darwin will see to it this IDIOT drunkard who put his own child at risk of death moves his mighty hand and slaps him with the appropriate civil repercussions for his willfully shameless act.

And those of you who are "praying" for whatever it is you're praying for, I have a Magic 8-Ball & a lucky penny for you to rub.

Draxor (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jesus said, "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." - John 13:35

JesusisReality (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 1:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey JesusisReality--- I'm thinking that maybe you ought not speak for Jesus today.. it's not helping your cause at all.. People like Draxor, KenVolok and others don't need to hear your bible quotes. What we need to do is let the law take its course and probably keep Jesus out of this one for awhile. Let's let Jesus find those lost Nigerian girls or flight 370 or work on a thousand other things that need to get done today... Let the idiot pastor suffer a bit in his own selfishness and stupidity.. and shame on those who 'support' him, giving him fuel to justify his dangerous actions-- actions that could have killed his own son. Disgusting. Disgusting. DISGUSTING!

ireadthepaper (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 1:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Someone just used the word "stupider" to attack the intelligence of other people. Lol. You lose all credibility there. Stupider is a word in English, but it cannot be used because it is not grammatically correct.

Anyways, this is all just sad. If the church were to turn their backs on this man then that would be hypocrisy because the gospel they preach is grace. Right? So no hypocrisy there. Nobody is being enabled... he will face legal ramifications for his actions which are the same as everyone else, correct? Correct. And his family will stick behind him because that's what family does. All attacks on Christianity the religion therefore come off as intolerance and hatred of a religious group. It's like attacking Islam based off the actions of violent terrorist. That's just silly. At the end of intolerance will come true evolution of society.

UCLAbruwin21 (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Choosing to drive while impaired is not a simple type of sin, it is a decision that has the potential to kill others"

Choosing to drive while sober is also a decision that has the potential to kill others. People die in sober automobile crashes every single day.

Some people drive better drunk than others do sober.

Judge not, lest ye be judged, as long as we're on the topic of the Bible.

And again please don't take other people's kids away from them over a simple mistake or accident. If this guy was willfully abusing his kid that's one thing, but a motorcycle ride in the countryside is not a reason to take away somebody's kid over, even if they had a couple beers first. Putting a kid in the hands of the state should be a very final last resort for kids who are either physically or sexually abused.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 2:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

First off, if you're going to put yourself out there as an authority on morality or anything else, learn to spell and use correct grammar. It is spelled JUDGMENT, not JUDGEMENT. Secondly, I'm going to go ahead and quote the bible, like many have before. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. By this I mean that Gerald should by all means be held accountable for his crimes within the LAW. Whatever those may entail, he is responsible for what he has done, and will have to stand to take his punishment. We all know that this is the case.

When it comes to belief in Jesus, however, none of you have any authority to tell anybody who they can forgive or not forgive. That is out of your hands, and not really any of your business. Faith in Christ means forgiveness of sins, plain and simple. This does not mean that they have no effect on others or oneself. This does mean that believers can choose to forgive each other.

UCLAbruwin21 put it well above. Throwing the whole faith out because of the actions of one man is ignorance.

I'm going to get a little bit controversial now, and go ahead and say: WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH HE ACTUALLY HAD TO DRINK. One beer, and you can't drive for an hour. How many of you have actually followed this? How many of us have driven home without a second thought to how long it's been since our one and only beer? Yes, they say that driving buzzed is driving drunk. Fine. But there is a difference between drinking one beer and drinking six beers and getting on a motorcycle. I see that we're all entertaining hypotheticals, so what about this: would you be as upset if he hadn't had anything to drink?

ireadthepaper, your hatred is sad to me. would you have anything to say if he'd been a construction worker or an engineer? why can't you leave it at idiot? Why does it have to be idiot pastor?

The thing that many people fail to realize about the Christian world (which I have many problems with) is that the pastors are not some magical beings that don't do anything wrong ever. They are simply men who feel called by God to study the Bible, interpret it, and let the congregation know what they've discovered. Their job is to equip the congregation with tools to go out into the world and preach the gospel. This does not mean that they are beyond reproach, or that they shouldn't be held to a high standard. Being in the public eye as much as any of them are, we can be sure that they hold themselves to a very high standard.

All things considered: The church is by no way justifying what Gerald has done. It's unfortunate that he made the mistakes he did. But their love of Christ teaches them to forgive those who've transgressed against them and God. Nothing bad ever came out of forgiveness.

Go ahead and be angry, but pull your claws out of the sides they shouldn't be in.

geoffreydean (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 3:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nice try geoffreydean, and you need to calm down a little bit.

Judgement (or judgment)[1] is the evaluation of evidence to make a decision.[2][3][4] The term has four distinct uses:

Informal - opinions expressed as facts.
Informal and psychological – used in reference to the quality of cognitive faculties and adjudicational capabilities of particular individuals, typically called wisdom or discernment.
Legal – used in the context of legal trial, to refer to a final finding, statement, or ruling, based on a considered weighing of evidence, called "adjudication". See spelling note for further explanation.
Religious – used in the concept of salvation to refer to the adjudication of God in determining Heaven or Hell for each and all human beings.

"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's."

My interpretation would say that since Ceasar does not own me or what I produce, so according to the statement I don't owe Ceasar jack. I guess according to you it was ok to render the Jews unto Ceasar, I mean Hitler, as well, since everybody seems to belong to the state.

I did agree with some of your other points.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 3:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Loonpt, I've calmed down.

And now I'll say this: whenever you use Hitler as an example in an argument, you lose. You're entitled to interpret my usage of that verse however you like, however that's not what I was getting at.

What I'm saying in regards to Caesar is that we all, regardless of religion or social standing *should* have to face the punishments that fit the crime. If you live in America, you are held to a certain code, and if you are found violating this code, you're going to have to pay for it. I mean it like this: let the law deal with the man's wrongdoings, let his family choose to forgive him and keep him as their own and love him. It is not up to us or anybody else where he stands with his God.

Also, in the way I'm using the term "Caesar" (the government, the law, the man, what have you), he totally does own you, unless you're a Loon Point local who's a Canadian citizen or somehow gets to live outside the law, in which case I apologize and stand corrected. We're all held accountable to something.

geoffreydean (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 4:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I see the God loving people have banded together! Under the guise of God, this man behaves badly and then claims "free will"......

The REALITY of REALITY church; a lot of sinners meeting at a building under the guise of good Christian people....the REALITY IS THEY'RE NOT! This place has more skeletons in their closets than we would care imagine! ONE OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SEXTING SCANDAL HIDES OUT THERE AND PRETENDS TO BE A GOOD CHRISTIAN, TOO. REALITY.......believe in God, don't believe in the people pretending

valolaughs (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 4:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I should think church would be the best place for "sinners" ;)

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 4:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Whenever you use Hitler as an example in an argument, you lose."

Sounds like an argument made by an authoritarian. Hitler is a perfect example of why the law is not moral, law has nothing to do with morality. The law is made by those in power to sustain their power.

The only legitimate use of force is to protect somebody's rights or property. That goes for both individuals and government. The government shouldn't have the right to do anything that a person doesn't have the right to do.

If you're Christian you might want to go back and read the part of the Bible where Satan tempted Jesus by offering him authority and control over the government's of man, for Satan said that was his domain that had been given to him by God. Jesus did not accept and so the government's of man are Satan's domain, according to the Bible.

"Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. And he said to Him, "All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me." Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.'"

Evidently, Satan has authority over this world and its governments. The temptation could not have been real unless there is some real sense that Satan does "possess" all the kingdoms of the world and their glory."

http://www.enduringword.com/commentar...

Christians really shouldn't be worshiping the government or Ceasar.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 4:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think Loon's quotes can easily be applied to unconditional fealty to a religious institution as well.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 5:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

well said ken_volok.

not well said valolaughs.

church is not a place for "good people." if people were all inherently good, and good enough to fit into God's standard for good (which is impossible), they would have no need to go to church. They go to church to learn how to love others better. The illusion that church is a "good people club" has sadly been fostered by many Christians themselves, and this is a huge bummer. If a churchgoer is not willing to admit to you that they're a sinner, well, maybe they're at church for the wrong reason.

Mohandas Gandhi said, "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." I feel this way a lot.

The mistakes Christians make are the same mistakes all human beings make. None will ever of their own doing perfectly emulate Christ, make zero mistakes, and walk perfectly uprightly their whole life.

Strange to me that people who don't care about religion are holding religious people up to a standard that is wrought from all kinds of weird misconceptions.

Also, loonpt, I think it may have looked like my first comment was directed personally at you, and it wasn't. I'm sorry if it came across that way.

geoffreydean (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 5:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow! Such hostility! If you profess not to follow and uphold the beliefs of our Lord, Jesus Christ, that's your choice. Wonder, however, if that will be your choice when you are at the hour of your death if you are even given the opportunity to think before you die....? Every church has plenty of sinners to go around. Whoever said there are no sinners at Reality. I've heard nothing but the opposite. Better for the sinner to be in church than not. Everyone of you and me are sinners.Now how about a little compassion for Gerald Torres, his wife and family.

Josephbradford (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 5:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The tomb is empty and Jesus is vacationing in Barbados.

sbresident2 (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 5:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Good for all of you! Freedom of speech wasted on nonsensical rants. I hope it makes all of you feel better. Just saying.

TrixR4Kids (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 5:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Silly rabbit.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 6:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

1. Grateful both father and son will survive.

2. Whether the Jesus stories are fables, legend, or half-truths with some mysticism mixed in, the messages have stood the test of time for good reasons.

3. Motorcycles are good, clean, old fashioned fun. More people should stop being big sissies and ride them...or perhaps, get off their computers and learn to build a motorcycle or do something else that is challenging to their bodies and souls.

larkannx (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 6:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If you spell out sober it spells s o b everything is real. You can go to any 12 step group and find REALITY..yes A POWER GREATER THAN YOURSELF or a ROCK HIGHER THAN I. I went to one 12 step group meeting and the whole discussion was about Jesus. He is the reality.. I am the way the truth and the life and no one can come to the Father except by me. It is all in the rainbow. He took the lightening for us so that we could have the rainbow...the full spectrum recovery..I think that this pastors testimony now will be far reaching given this incident.

blanchesweet (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 7:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Classic DeMille formula: 95% sin + 10% salvation + big box office. And believe me, these mega-churches rake it in. It's completely show biz with large screen satellite feeds etc.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 8:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

105% at least...

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 8:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ken: Don't tell them that the word in Greek for "church is "ekklēsía" which means "body of believers". Sure, I like big beautiful buildings, but when I see these mega-church televangelists raking in the big bucks, I remind myself of this.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 8:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dude, the ground is level at the foot of the cross. Get back accusers. This man has owned his behavior and totally accepts all consequences. Which of you drive 55mph in construction zones especially through Carpinteria and La Conchita?? If you do not, then you too are a lawbreaker putting many people's lives at risk every time you selfishly speed though such corridors. Sin is sin. The difference is this dear person you all keep condemning has asked for forgiveness and repented. Repent means to turn from/turn away from. His behavior will show you all it is not a pattern because Jesus saves guaranteed.

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 8:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well said westongreen.

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 8:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have attended Reality for 7 years and I know Pastor G. a little bit. He is, indeed, a nice guy and committed minister of the Gospel.

That, in no way excuses his actions which were truly reprehensible. The statement released by the church while not excusing his actions in any way, should have elaborated on the sheer stupidity and criminal negligence of one of their senior staff members.

I agree with all of the comments in this regard.

That being said, I have to address the unabashed venom that spews from the keyboards of people who, for whatever reason, hate Christians and / or the Reality family of churches.

According to the Bible, persecution, much less light internet criticism is to be expected for our faith in Christ...so it should not be surprising or alarming. Still, when I read it, I confess that I am a bit surprised.

Are they as comfortable disparaging Muslims? Jews? Hindus? Buddhists? Maybe they should ask themselves what it is about Jesus Christ that is so offensive. If they don't know then they might pick up a Bible and read it for themselves rather than making blanket criticisms.

As for Reality being a cult, the difference here is that the church is not trying to grow or hang on to people who don't want to be there. Numerous times, the senior pastor has invited people who have issues with particular doctirnes to try other churches...because, for one reason, the parking is terrible.

The foolish and criminal actions of Pastor G. should be openly acknowledged and discussed. He should ( and will be ) dealt with by the legal system in the same way as anyone else.

Still, the self-styled intellectuals who adore refrains like "Not all Muslims are terrorists" should apply the same tolerant and reserved perspective in this case. Not all Christians would make such a stupid decision...nor should they be disparaged in a public forum by the actions of one.

christiancarr (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 8:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jesus hates the sin but loves the sinner. So sure, be appalled at Pastor G's actions. But stop spewing judgmental vitriol on a truly good man who made a very bad mistake.

And enough of the TMZ style catchphrases… Clearly anyone posting terms like "megachurch", "televangelist", or "cult" in regard to Pastor G and Reality have never stepped foot into this church nor have ever heard the name Gerald Torres before now. For all of your eloquence, to those who know G and the Reality family, you're making yourself look like idiots.

agape1 (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 9 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Amen, agape1.

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 9:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

HomeGirl: I drive the speed limit and so should you.
Agape1: I've heard of Gerald Torres before. I posted a link above to the time he held a pig slaughtering seminar at a youth camp...
Reality comes under the definition of mega-church, and they televangelize, some people have called them a cult.
And that my friends, is reality,

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 10:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 10:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You really don't have to. Religious extremism has come to town folks.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 10:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Good guy-- sure-- a good guy puts his child on a motorcycle with some alcohol in him-- completely shocking-- that the good guy is a leader in a (as TMZ would say) mega-cultic-celebrity church- wowzy. Reputation- ruined. Credibility-shot. Rehab hero- is what he will have to be. Side note-I have never seen a child passenger on a street motorcycle North of the border-- have you?

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May 7, 2014 at 10:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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Love you Torres Family

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 10:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

HomeGirl, did you type that all up?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 10:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

John 8:31-32
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
The Truth Will Make You Free

31 So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”

New American Standard Bible (NASB)
Copyright © 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995 by The Lockman Foundation

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?...

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 10:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Never give a sucker an even break.
- W.C. Fields

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 10:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Somebody copyrighted the Bible? That's just gross. And we're supposed to take you seriously?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 7, 2014 at 10:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

this has gotten way out of hand. online comments sections are frightening places. if any of you were to go and visit this guy, and see the pain he's in, would you have the indecency to say the things you've said here? everyone is jumping down everyone else's throat. it's clear we all have differing opinions, and to try and make others understand them maybe isn't going to work in an online comments section. trying to make people feel stupid isn't very great either. we all know how everyone feels about the one paragraph article now. let's lay it to rest.

geoffreydean (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 5:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jesus said,…27"All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. 28"Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29"Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS.…

MT 11:27-29

JesusisReality (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 6:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sweep it under the rug Mr. Dean? Sounds like the Vatican.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 7:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

dude was dui on a bike with his young son on the back. he's lucky he didn't kill himself, or worse his son.

can't feel compassion for that. the fact he is a pastor at reality means nothing.

bottom line...like every other dui driver out there he's a selfish dbag.

my dad was a deacon for decades at his church. he always said the most vociferous church members were always the sketchy ones.

can I get an amen.

lawdy (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 7:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Amen.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 7:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

@ Volok and @lawdy...stop the nonsense.

Step up your game, please. You sound like adolescents.

Try to apply some critical thinking:
1) The consequences of Pastor G's actions are real and will be with him the rest of his life
2) The law (render unto Caesar what is his - we are a nation of laws) will punish Pastor G vigorously
3) The Church fully disclosed and was totally transparent with the ENTIRE church and the Media - see their 10 Paragraph statement in the article!

Reading comprehension not so hot?

Sounds like you have a beef with Jesus. A chip on your shoulder?

Grow up.

JesusisReality (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 8:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think Wendy McCaw was correct, "barbarous".

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 8:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

no beef. no chip. just an aversion to beefchips. but thank you for deigning to reply in normal language as opposed to Scripture.

only person who can speak in Scriptures is Jesus. not you homeboy.

lawdy (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 9:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jesus is TOTALLY reality!

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 9:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 9:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

would you please leave Jesus out of this and just take responsibility for your own actions.

Jesus !

sbresident2 (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 9:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The Whole Armor of God

10 A final word: Be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on all of God’s armor so that you will be able to stand firm against all strategies of the devil. 12 For we[a] are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.

13 Therefore, put on every piece of God’s armor so you will be able to resist the enemy in the time of evil. Then after the battle you will still be standing firm. 14 Stand your ground, putting on the belt of truth and the body armor of God’s righteousness. 15 For shoes, put on the peace that comes from the Good News so that you will be fully prepared.[b] 16 In addition to all of these, hold up the shield of faith to stop the fiery arrows of the devil.[c] 17 Put on salvation as your helmet, and take the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

18 Pray in the Spirit at all times and on every occasion. Stay alert and be persistent in your prayers for all believers everywhere.[d]

Footnotes:

6:12 Some manuscripts read you.
6:15 Or For shoes, put on the readiness to preach the Good News of peace with God.
6:16 Greek the evil one.
6:18 Greek all of God’s holy people

Ephesians 6: 10-18 NLT

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?...

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 10:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oneness and Peace in Christ

11 Don’t forget that you Gentiles used to be outsiders. You were called “uncircumcised heathens” by the Jews, who were proud of their circumcision, even though it affected only their bodies and not their hearts. 12 In those days you were living apart from Christ. You were excluded from citizenship among the people of Israel, and you did not know the covenant promises God had made to them. You lived in this world without God and without hope. 13 But now you have been united with Christ Jesus. Once you were far away from God, but now you have been brought near to him through the blood of Christ.

14 For Christ himself has brought peace to us. He united Jews and Gentiles into one people when, in his own body on the cross, he broke down the wall of hostility that separated us. 15 He did this by ending the system of law with its commandments and regulations. He made peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new people from the two groups. 16 Together as one body, Christ reconciled both groups to God by means of his death on the cross, and our hostility toward each other was put to death.

Ephesians 3:11-18 NLT

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?...

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 10:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

7 He brought this Good News of peace to you Gentiles who were far away from him, and peace to the Jews who were near.

18 Now all of us can come to the Father through the same Holy Spirit because of what Christ has done for us.

Ephesians 2:17-18 NLT

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?...

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 10:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

G is my friend. And he's a warrior for Christ. He's also a radically humble guy who screwed up. And he is without a doubt remorseful and brokenhearted as he ponders the spiritual journey he will now walk under the cynical and jaded gaze of far lesser men than him. But such is the calling of his God.

Ken Volok, you're a jerk. And you should get a life that involves more than constantly commenting on Indie articles in what is nothing short of a religious devotion to left-wing piffle. No matter what the subject one can always expect your regurgitated inanities to spew forth like pink slime. You are inane. And you aren't even worthy of being run over by the man who is and will always remain a friend, no matter how many mistakes he makes in this life.

It always strikes me as bizarre how the toughest, cruelest, and most venomous jack asses on these comment threads are the most sniveling cowards you will come across in society. Real tough guys so long as they have the protection of their web browser and key-board. But confront one of these guys to their face and they'll turn and run the other way with their tail between their legs.

Reality isn't on trial, and neither is G for that matter. So defending him and the church he helped start, particularly to a bunch of emasculated ignoramuses, isn't worth the time or effort it requires. Measuring the height and width of a blade of dead crab grass would be time better spent.

zionist (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Better a jerk than a zealot.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 10:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Prove it.

zionist (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

true Zionist, reality is not and should not be on trial...but your boi G is definitely on trial.

but as much as reality is not on trial....it should also be the fact he is a 'warrior for Christ' means nothing as well.

and your talk of a gaze of far lesser men is incredulous. exalting him above other men.....men who did not drink and willingly put their child in a lethal situation is just ludicrous

and bringing politics into it adds another level of absurdity.

lawdy (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 10:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"I think Loon's quotes can easily be applied to unconditional fealty to a religious institution as well."

Absolutely! It's called "The Golden Rule". We learned this in pre-school - don't steal, don't hit. That's it. Every one of my beliefs center around this very basic premise. Any 4 year old can understand it, but unfortunately all of the conditioning we receive from age 5 and on completely obliterates this premise with government coercion at the very heart of society.

The government loves it some stealin and hittin.

Really disappointing in how religious people misinterpret the "Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's" quote from the Bible.

So if you're a slave to the government, then Ceasar owns you? No, Ceasar doesn't own me!! Render unto Ceasar what is CEASAR'S. That means render unto him what belongs to him, not what belongs to me. If anything that quote completely takes away the notion that the government has any real authority over us.. Which is great, because as I demonstrated before, government's all belong to Satan and are in his domain. He clearly tempted Christ with this authority, and if it weren't true then it wouldn't have been a temptation, would it? Christianity could actually be a positive force for humanity instead of a negative one if they weren't such statists. That happened because of the inbreeding between government and religion.

There are plenty of people who have defended themselves against state authorized religious persecution, I guess they are sinners because Ceasar made their religion illegal, they should be following the law, right?!!

loonpt (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 11:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's what today's Christian Science Monitor has to say about this whole, terrible, unfortunate and sad incident. This story is making national news..

http://www.christianpost.com/news/exe...

ireadthepaper (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 11:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry I made a mistake- The above article is not in the Christian Science Monitor.. It's the Christian Post.

ireadthepaper (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 11:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

zionist, how about you prove the bible is god's word? That is why it's called 'belief'. The bible was written by man and contains all that humans are flawed with, belief. I can believe in many a thing, it's called fantasy not reality. 'Fantasy is reality in the world today..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80784...
and that crazy comment that equated breaking the speed law with sin homegirl, cray cray.

spacey (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 12:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

so the meathead was riding a motorcycle not just drunk but heavily intoxicated and with your 8 year old as passenger, huh ?

sounds to me like an additional charge of child endangerment should be added.

any other ordinary citizen of this community would be facing these charges.

sbresident2 (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"When they came to the place called The Skull, there they crucified Him and the criminals, one on the right and the other on the left. But Jesus was saying, "Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing." And they cast lots, dividing up His garments among themselves. And the people stood by, looking on. And even the rulers were sneering at Him, saying, "He saved others; let Him save Himself if this is the Christ of God, His Chosen One."…

Luke 23:33-35

JesusisReality (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sbresident2, was the information regarding intoxication level reported somewhere? Could you share?

Unless I missed something I haven't seen anything about a BAC reading yet, or even witness testimony regarding your allegation?

loonpt (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 1:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jesus was a humble man......unlike jesusisreality who brandishes Scripture like a broadsword to demean others who have an opinion.

The reality is jesusisreality has a superiority complex that is ironically diametrically opposite to that of Jesus.

I guess my old pap knew what he was talking about.

lawdy (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

@loonpt

from : http://www.christianpost.com/news/exe...

"While the church was thankful that their pastor and his son had survived the crash, Pastor Brick Merrick who also serves as an elder in the church said in an address Sunday that it was a "terrible" and "sinful" mistake that was out of character for their pastor.

"Pastor G had been drinking and his blood alcohol level was well above the legal limit," Merrick confessed to the church in a recorded address Sunday.

sbresident2 (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 3:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

They must've been drinking when they held the Greased Pig Chase & Slaughter at the Youth Camp!

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 5:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All booze...all the time!

billclausen (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 6:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"I will kneel in the dust at the foot of the cross where mercy paid for me." Praying for you, Pastor G.

engedi (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 8:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's in the heavenly realm Bride of Christ. Don't lose heart or your focus of Jesus the author and finisher of our faith. Let the flesh and blood rattle negativity. They can't help it they are veiled. Pray for them. That's what G dawg gould tell you. Love them it's beyond clear they need it.

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 11:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Really Spacy. Breaking the law is breaking the law bro. You all wouldn't be whinning if someone didn't break a law in the first place. Dude, move on. If you like to speed go for it. Personally, I prefer to not. I am concerned about making safe choices so I do not harm innocents plus I can't afford to pay tickets and I abhor pain. We all make mistakes.

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 11:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Loonpt in this country people are innocent until proven guilty. You are the last person I would provide anyone's BAC to. It is irrelevant. Go to the hearing if you need to know.

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 8, 2014 at 11:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; the courage to change the things I can; and the wisdom to know the difference."

-Reinhold Niebuhr

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 12:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

*Scratches Head*

loonpt (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 12:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I go to Reality, and I understand some of the harsh comments, not all, but some. I feel sad, disappointed and humbled. To put your son at risk is awful, plus other innocent drivers on the road. The elders and pastors know he will have to face the consequences for what he did, in the courts and in the church, but they do love him and will help him and his family through this difficult time, they won't abandon him.

No one that cares about him is taking this lightly, what he did wa serious and hurtful. I think the members of Reality who post here would do well to not be arguing with and insulting people, you aren't helping Pastor G or the church.

Just to clarify, that website "Church of Reality" is in no way related to Reality Church.

sara1 (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 1:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ken Volok, you're a jerk. And you should get a life that involves more than constantly commenting on Indie articles in what is nothing short of a religious devotion to left-wing piffle. No matter what the subject one can always expect your regurgitated inanities to spew forth like pink slime. You are inane. And you aren't even worthy of being run over by the man who is and will always remain a friend, no matter how many mistakes he makes in this life.

I

zionist (anonymous profile)

Now that you've gone after Ken, do me next! I need some discipline!
May 8, 2014 at 10:27 a.m. (Sugg

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 6:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ken Volok is the head pastor of the Church of Skatin. He regularly rolls around Isla Vista distributing skateboards to underprivileged children. HIs efforts have been the subject of a Hollywood Indie film called "rolling through life, one wheel at a time".

Although the film failed to win an Oscar, it was nominated for a Juno (Canada's version of the Academy Awards) but was nudged out by "Terrence and Philip do Montreal". Disillusioned, Ken quit show biz and took up a job as paid speechwriter for everybody's favorite radio talk show host Michael Savage--who coined the phrase "Islamofascism". Tired of Savage's inflammatory rants as well as his habit of not bathing for months at a time, Volok quit as Savage's speechwriter, packed his dog St. Billy into his Chevy Impala, and headed back to So Cal where he is currently a staff blogger for The Independent, along with Loonpt, billclausen, Foofighter, and others.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 6:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jesus said.....16"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17"For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18"He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.…

John 3:16-18

JesusisReality (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 6:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

disappointed that christians interpret scripture incorrectly? yet who is it for? how all of a sudden is anyone the all-time authority on exactly what anything in the bible means. jesus said the whole caesar bit when the pharisees asked him if they should pay taxes. whose face is on the coin? caesar's. ( whose name is on the coin? the united states. loonpt, i assume you have some sort of legal tender bearing this name?) i'm not saying you have to give it all to them, i'm just pointing out that he was saying let caesar deal with his stuff and i'll deal with the more important stuff concerning heaven. also, satan has no such power or authority in this world or anywhere else. he's introduced to the story as a liar, is he not? using satan's logic to prove that satan has all the authority on earth? not very convincing. also, not relevant to this argument.

don't take the kid away, certainly don't sweep anything under the rug. deal with the man's crimes and mistakes like they ought to be dealt with, and let him move on. criticizing a set of beliefs on a comment thread maybe 10 people are reading isn't accomplishing anything.

i bet jesus would have baked a bitchin cherry pie if the opportunity had arisen.

geoffreydean (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 6:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

OK, here's the deal: The man ran out of brains, but God spared him and his son, hopefully he's learned something, and will move on and come out a better person for it.

Hey, once again folks: Don't mix alcohol and driving. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 6:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

John 1:5

JesusisReality (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 6:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why do Christians make so many mistakes.

sbresident2 (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 6:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Zionist, if you want to see a real jerk, check this out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7why8...

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 6:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

HomeGirl the Nieburh quote is lovely, but so is Mary Baker Eddy's "Experience teaches us that we do not always receive the blessings we ask for in prayer." Agree BC, it's a DUI and aggravated by carrying an 8 year old into harm's way along with his criminally poor judgement.

DavyBrown (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 7:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

(Zionist, Anonymous Profile) Hiding behind the old keyboard as are most of you reality so called Christians quoting the bible because you cannot stand up for yourselves and your bull manure. Drunk and DUI Drivers care about no one but themselves..For someone in this position to break the law in this manner shows no consideration for others especially his own child. For the rest of his followers to make excuses for his poor behavior makes you all just as guilty in my book, sounds like a cult to me. The Reality here is a cult of idoits.

Byrd (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 7:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's make huge signs depicting the broken, bloodied bodies of the victims of drunk drivers; and display them protest style outside a certain mega-church.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 7:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

no one is making excuses. that's the point.

geoffreydean (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 7:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jesus would've said to the fallen Pastor: my son, you have erred, and thy sin has been compounded by your involving your own young son in a dangerous accident caused by thine own sinful judgement. Render unto Caesar [then Emperor Tiberias, now the State of Calif. via CHP] the legitimacy to apprehend, test, try, and penalize you. Accept your heavy this-worldly punishment with the grace of a true Christian believer, and know you are forgiven.

DavyBrown (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 8:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

@geoffreydean - Ken_Volok is a bit slow and dense.

This is not complicated:
1) We are a nation of laws
2) You break those laws (unintentionally or intentionally) then you suffer the consequences. Period.
3) Jesus forgives sin. Jesus restores and loves the sinner. Jesus paid the price on the cross for reconciliation with God. This is regardless of the consequences.
4) Caesar is powerless to restore and forgive the soul of a man. Impotent.

Understood?

"So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus." - Romans 8:1

Ken_Volok is a modern day self-righteous pharasee. Jesus hates the self-righteous but loves the sinner.

This is very basic.

JesusisReality (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 8:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JesusisReality, you make me sound like a Kubrick film.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 8:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

For someone who quotes the bible a lot you sure are judgeMENTAL Oh but of course you are one of thy chosen ones and we are your sinful servants..

Byrd (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 8:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"....This is the message we heard from Jesus and now declare to you: God is light, and there is no darkness in him at all. 6 So we are lying if we say we have fellowship with God but go on living in spiritual darkness; we are not practicing the truth. 7 But if we are living in the light, as God is in the light, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from all sin.

8 If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth. 9 But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we are calling God a liar and showing that his word has no place in our hearts...."

1 John 1:5-10

JesusisReality (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The reality is your full of yourself and alittle poop too!

Byrd (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 8:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Funny these people never comment in support of other DUI defendants, and they wonder why people think they're a cult.
I've had friends arrested and jailed for far lesser infractions, but they didn't have a million dollar cult behind them.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 9:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

q:what's 6+3?
a: green.
that's what this conversation has looked like.
it's really sad to see how much hatred is being spewed here. it seems like most of us agree that the man should be punished for the mistakes he's made. it's unfortunate that he made the mistakes he did, and he will pay dearly for them, this can be sure.
the argument of anything else on here is irrelevant, and i count myself as guilty as anybody else. lets just give it a rest.

geoffreydean (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 9:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ken Volok you are on the right side of history. Too bad the guy who hit and ran over that poor girl last Christmas - the guy who worked for Lois Capps-- didn't belong to Reality. Christians... if you can't see the analogy, then you ought to question your judgement. To say anything beyond 'It was an idiotic thing to do' is saying that you don't care about Gerald's actions and that his character before the incident should only be considered. Again, I'm sure he's a very nice man-- just not very smart. If you don't go here in your thoughts.. if you let the "but he's my Pastor G and he loves Jesus!" thoughts ring in your head vs "the guy took his own life and the life of his child on a motorcycle ride to hell" then please jump in a cold shower or something and wake up.

ireadthepaper (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 10:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

how are you the authority on what people mean when they say things? you're using false logic. it's like saying, "if you are a puppy, then you're furry. therefore, if you're furry, you're a puppy." this simply doesn't work. wouldn't you want forgiveness for a mistake you made? this is all that people are positing. you can't say that anything past "what he did was idiotic" is saying you don't care about his actions. why would anyone be saying anything about this if they didn't care about his actions? forgiveness is different than sweeping under the rug. different than turning a blind eye. it's recognizing that what somebody's done was really bad, and they're going to have to deal with the repercussions , but they're still loved by their community. if the church abandoned him and distanced themselves from him, you'd all be saying, "leave it to the christian hypocrites. haven't they done bad stuff before? aren't they supposed to forgiving?" actually read what his supporters are saying. none of them are saying, " he shouldn't be punished. he's pastor g! how can you punish my beloved pastor?" i'm done quoting scripture. i'm trying to appeal to your logic now.

geoffreydean (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jesusis errs writing "Jesus hates the self-righteous but loves the sinner[.]" in the sense that Jesus doesn't love the SIN [breaking laws, injuring others (the son)], what you mean is he will forgive if a believer truly repents. Nonetheless, just like the Catholic hierarchy doesn't get a pass if it fails to report priestly abuse, so this Pastor doesn't get a pass because he's a Christian, he's sorry, and he's been forgiven by his Redeemer. In fact, holding a position of trust and responsility, a role model, perhaps his penalty should be more severe.

DavyBrown (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

davybrown, i wonder if gerald might agree with you on your last point. nobody gets or should get any type of pass concerning the law because they're a christian. that's the whole point.

geoffreydean (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 10:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Your talking about Gerald as if he's Jesus Christ...Cult.

Byrd (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Ken Volok...you aren't even worthy of being run over by the man who is and will always remain a friend, no matter how many mistakes he makes in this life.

zionist (anonymous profile)"

Lol, it's ok Ken, zionist probably doesn't think Palestinian children are worthy of being run over by the Israeli tanks either.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 11:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So what some of you are saying is if I love Jesus I can in fact take a chain saw to someone I dislike and saw them in little pieces.. After all I've been forgiven..WWGD?

Byrd (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

since when is saying someone is a good person saying they're jesus christ?

you don't love jesus so that you can do bad stuff or whatever you want and then be forgiven. the point of loving jesus is to become transformed. and this takes your entire life. meaning a christian can make a mistake and be forgiven. a mistake is different than a decision to saw someone into little pieces.

bring a thicker argument to the table.

geoffreydean (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 11:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Then how is Gerald forgiven operatating a motor vehicle under the influence of alcohol with a child on the back and crashing it? It's ok for you jerks to bust the law and hurt others but not us.

Byrd (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 12:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Your making excuses for Gerald aka jesus and condemning the rest of us..Your a bunch of phoneys that have no problems hurting children to entertain your vices. I don't argure with child molesters I have some advice for the kids though Don't drink the grape koolaide.

Byrd (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 12:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i did not say it's ok. nobody has said it's ok. nor have i condemned anybody else. i'm not saying you have to forgive him, nor does anyone else on this thing. gerald did not think to himself : "alright. let's get wasted and take the kid for a joyride. then i'll crash the bike, destroy my own face, and scare the crap out of him." he did something wrong. again: he did something wrong. but it was a mistake, and not intentional. that doesn't change the outcome or his punishment, but he did not purposefully do this. its not ok for anyone to hurt a kid. it's not ok for people to drive drunk. please actually read what i've written.
who people choose to forgive is not your concern. moreover, who God chooses to forgive is none of your business. you are the one condemning anyone who is extending him compassion. he is surely in a great amount of physical and emotional pain, and will have to stand for his punishment when it is given to him. he's a person some people know, so they feel compassion for him. if your best friend did the same thing, would you condemn him the same way you're doing to gerald? if you did, you wouldn't be a very good friend.

geoffreydean (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 1:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If my best friend did that I'd kick his ars and if it was my kid I'd take a limb, aq broken nose is no0t a destroyed face.

Byrd (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 1:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

After reading comments from some of his supporters, it's no wonder Pastor Gerald drinks.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 1:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

he has stitches all over his face. what else do you know besides what you've read in the one paragraph article above ?

how about this: how would YOU want to be treated if you did something like this? and don't say "i would never be stupid enough to do something like that. not possible because it could never happen. " guaranteed he would have thought the same thing before this happened. he's never done anything remotely like this before.

and what does taking someone's limb accomplish? does that kind of violence make you feel better?

returning wrongdoing with more wrongdoing only begets more wrongdoing.

geoffreydean (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 1:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr. Dean, how do you know he has or hasn't?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

read the statement above again. this is out of character for pastor torres. moreover, listen to the message britt gave last sunday. if he were trying to protect gerald, would he have mentioned that his BAC was "well above the legal limit"? if this were a recurring behavior, wouldn't he have a more colorful record? the overwhelming nature of the statement is how baffling the actions he took are. that they are saddened and surprised at his actions.

don't jump down my throat for trusting them. seems above that nobody had any problem trusting the same people saying that he was "well above the legal limit." if they wanted to protect him, they never would have addressed the situation the way they did.

geoffreydean (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 2:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Like I said before, with many of the congregants that've presented themselves in this forum- it is no surprise Pastor Gerald drinks.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 2:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

you've got a strange sense of humor ken.

geoffreydean (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 2:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Are you flirting with me Mr. Dean?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I would never do anything like that take a kid for a ride on a motorcycle drunk Are you kidding? Maybe stitches all over his face with make him think twice about doing it again..Theres nothing wrong with violence and taking limbs theres all kinds of violence in the bible whats wrong with that? It's not out of character if he did it you people are just not as christlike as you claim to be. Listen to Ken the great Messiah he is my Higher Power.

Byrd (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

so now we have divine appearances on this thread? Hallelujah!

DrDan (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 3:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

where has anyone claimed that they are "so christlike" besides quoting scripture and advocating forgiveness? and what does that have anything to do with the people defending pastor gerald?
mr. volok. just trying to get on your level.

geoffreydean (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 3:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, you do seem quite confused Mr. Dean.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 4:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think the Indy needs to ask themselves that if this infraction were committed by someone with a different occupation, would they still have printed a nine paragraph statement of support for the offender which dwarfs the factual contents of the article itself? I'm also curious as to what his BAC was since that is reported in nearly every DUI arrest story I've ever read, barring this one.

DarkMarcsun (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 4:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The Apostle Paul said,..."Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners--of whom I am the worst."

--1 Tim 1:15

JesusisReality (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i've decided i don't want to stoop to your level ken. i was trying to engage in a civil conversation with you and it seems that all you want to do is mock me. the only thing that confuses me is your desire to take what you want out of what someone has to say and twist it in to what you want. i'm very confident in what i have to say and it's not my fault you're choosing not to listen. i'm amazed i've had as much patience up to this point. i am now throwing in the towel. this is no longer worth my time.

geoffreydean (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 4:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We are all going to end up in the graves who craved with all of this blogging.

Check out the Old Testament book of Numbers Chapter 11.

I myself struggle with emotional sobriety due to being the scapegoat in a crazy making alcoholic family system. My craving is vengence.

Reality Church has helped me with this..

This is especially true as I have a family member who ran into a tree after having been drinking.

Reality Church also gave me an astonishing referral: Timothy Keller who I listen to daily free podcast sermons. Changed my life.

I am an MFT with many years of training and experience including a brief sojourn as a drug and alcohol counselor at Full Spectrum Recovery.

And so far Pastor G's incident is helping to minister to me and my son.

A Full Spectrum Recovery!


blanchesweet (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr. Dean, you were responding to other bloggers' comments but addressing your responses to me. Why wouldn't I think you're but a toy to while my render time away with?

And for JesusisReality I have this nugget for you:

“And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

Matthew 6:5-6

Using a pseudonym isn't the same as behind a closed door. Thank you.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 5:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well I'll continue to engage you if you don't mind, now that I have some time to discuss what exactly belonged to "Ceasar".

Rome debased their currency. That means that at first they would make silver and gold coins which they would insert into the economy by paying for food for their slaves, paying their soldiers and other government officials and for all of the materials and labor needed to support the kingdom. Then the government officials and suppliers would use that money to buy goods and services for themselves and the money would circulate out into the rest of the economy. The kingdom collected taxes on the citizens. So far so good. But then there became a shortage of precious metals at the kingdom, aka they could not squeeze enough tax money willingly out of the citizenry. So what they would do is make money that was only part silver or gold and filled with something else. Now here's the trick: they would trade it out into the economy at the same value as the pure silver and gold coins, in other words they paid everybody the same amount of coins they had before. The government officials and suppliers then took the money out into the economy and this created inflation. Prices began to go up, there were too many coins and not enough goods and services. But hey, no skin of the government's back, right? Even for those who got paid by the government, the inflation doesn't come until after the extra money starts circulating out into the economy so they were at an advantage as well.

So first we have to admit, on the face of it, that even with the original system before the currency was debased may have been theft but at least honest theft. People knew how much they were giving and getting. However as the main point the kingdom was trading those coins away to increase the value of the kingdom, so the coins no longer belonged to the kingdom. They were merely trading gold and silver. Who cares if the king stamped his mug on them?

Secondly we have to admit that what happened next is outright theft. We also should, as a side note, understand that our entire monetary system today is based on this same debasement of currency, which is theft and an additional "unseen" tax on the people.

Now we have to admit that this all happened before Jesus was born, and that Jesus was born into the middle of a Palestinian tax revolt. Syria and Judea were exhausted by their tax burden and were imploring a reduction of tribute.

(cont..)

loonpt (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 6:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

(cont..)

To suggest that Jesus asked his followers to pay tribute to a pedophile, sexual deviant, slave owning king who claimed to be God is pretty ridiculous on it's face.

In all likelihood, Jesus was not only a spiritual leader of sorts but was probably more well known for helping to lead anarchist tax revolt. Jesus used spirituality to teach people that God was to be worshipped and not to worship men, including kings. This was getting people into troubled, and ripped off in a major way (and we continue to be today via our banking/monetary system).

This is explains why it took over 150 years for the Bible to be written, the Christians back then were more of a political movement, and at the beginning Rome attempted to merely kill them off starting with their leader Jesus. But when they realized the movement was spreading too much and it would be impossible to kill all of the Christians, they decided to change the narrative of Christianity and wrote their own Bible that absolved the state of its crimes and gave a perspective focused on the spiritual rather than political. Before that, Christianity was based more on a loose set of writings by various authors, most of which was likely eventually destroyed and we will never have a historical record of it. Rome then became the authority on what Christianity taught. Then came The Vatican. The Pope.

Here is an article that goes way more in depth about some of what I have discussed here with some Biblical and historical references:

http://c4ss.org/content/4326

As far as Satan tempting Jesus with authority and dominion over kingdoms and governments of man, I wasn't using the Devil's logic, I was using logic logic. The Bible said that Jesus was tempted by these things, if Satan was lying then it wouldn't have been a temptation, ergo the Bible would be lying as Jesus would have known and it wouldn't have been a temptation. Can't have it both ways.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 6:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Blah,Blah,Blah... My Daddys Wickie is bigger than yours! Funny thing is this is about a person operating a motor vehicle while under the influence of alcohol or dope and still nobody gets it. Everyone thinks it's ok to drive stoned or drunk they think they have control and are a good driver while intoxicated and darn near everytime something bad happens sooner or later. It's been fun arguring all day because Christians are a pain in the rear "Everyones gotta be a Christian, or your going to burn in Hell!" One Christian bother told me once that if I did not vote for George Bush I was going to Hell, that was very funny. I did not vote for George Bush.

Byrd (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 6:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Now it's only a matter of time before unionized county employees are blamed for all this.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 6:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sbresident2 (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 6:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why do Christians make so many mistakes.

sbresident2 (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 6:56 a.m

Because we are only human, and subject to our human nature.

As for the "render onto Caesar" debate, what I take away from this is that Jesus was acknowledging that we live in an imperfect world and that one has to do what they have to do in order to get by. We have to pay taxes, take out the garbage, mow the lawn, etc. He was saying that while we live *in* the world, we do not have to be *of* the world.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 6:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It Lois Capps fault ya know...

Byrd (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 7:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

@Zionist, I hope you feel really good about yourself with the terrible comments you make to Ken Volok. He is sitting here right now crying like a baby because of your comments. So you think U R such a big boy because you can insult people, eh? Well U R about to get a taste of your own medicine because im about to insult you even worse.

May you slide into your easy chair only to discover that your dog Fido dropped a dookie in it. May you have Randy Quaid as your next door neighbor. May jackdaws infest your garden and screech until you lose what little sanity you have left. May all your loved ones who are single marry liberals. May U B arrested for indecent exposure--at a nudist camp. Ken is heavily drugged right now and I had to rescue him from his suicide attempt (he had dived--head first--into a Marborg outhouse) and I think he will pull through, but he's gone through three boxes of Kleenex because you hurt him so.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 9:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love." 1John 4:8

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 9:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I follow Jesus. I love his words. I do not appreciate them being used as weapons. I do not appreciate people the Bible to people who have no interest in the book. In my view, this is unwise, especially if you're trying to convince someone.

It is a misrepresentation of everything that Jesus was about.

ahem (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 11:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

people USING the Bible, that is.

ahem (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 11:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Hebrews 4:12 NASV

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 11:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth:" It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.

Isaiah 55:11 NIV

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 9, 2014 at 11:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"...Later, Matthew invited Jesus and his disciples to his home as dinner guests, along with many tax collectors and other disreputable sinners. 11 But when the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with such scum?..."

Matthew 9:10-11

JesusisReality (anonymous profile)
May 10, 2014 at 6:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

@ken_volok- a bitter and angry self-righteous judgmental person...

"…16When the scribes of the Pharisees saw that He was eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they said to His disciples, "Why is He eating and drinking with tax collectors and sinners?" 17And hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick; I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Mark 2:17

JesusisReality (anonymous profile)
May 10, 2014 at 6:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

agree, ahem, & we all know that "the devil" is expert at quoting scripture! Agree dolphin than zionist is truly a gutless jerk for hammering KV: "It always strikes me as bizarre how the toughest, cruelest, and most venomous jack asses on these comment threads are the most sniveling cowards you will come across in society. " [5/8/14] --uh, zionist, Ken Volok signs his real name here whereas YOU hide beneath your pseudonym, very manly of you to hurl insults from your fake-name position. Are all zionists like you??

DavyBrown (anonymous profile)
May 10, 2014 at 7:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

@DavyBrown: I have to admit, I find "Zionist" to be quite amusing. His/her comments are so ridiculous and paranoid it makes me wonder if they don't think Ken is some radical Palestinian terrorist.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
May 10, 2014 at 7:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

@billclausen, have you had your I.Q. tested lately to see if its up to room temperature? "radical terrorist"...uhm, is there such a thing as a "moderate terrorist"?

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
May 10, 2014 at 7:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Do you jerks really think with all your quoting of the bible your going to convert us into a bunch of drunk driving motorcycle riders?

Byrd (anonymous profile)
May 10, 2014 at 7:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

@Byrd...

...I see reading comprehension is a challenge for many posters on this thread....here, I will let you read it one more time...keep throwing your stones at Pastor G...

Pastor Tyler Morgan of Reality submitted a statement about the incident. It appears below:

Saturday afternoon May 3, Pastor Gerald Torres and his son were in a motorcycle accident. Pastor Torres’s son was not injured other than a scraped shin. Pastor Torres has severe lacerations to his face, a broken nose, hand, and ribs. He underwent surgery Sunday morning.

We are thankful for the sparing of Pastor Torres’s life, that he will recover from his injuries, and that his son did not suffer any significant harm.

Sadly, Pastor Torres had consumed alcohol and is currently being investigated by law enforcement for driving under the influence.

This is out of character for Pastor Torres, and it is not something that would be expected of him. It was a terrible mistake, and it is sin on his part. Pastor Torres is deeply broken and repentant because of his actions.

We acknowledge that our church wrestles with sin and failure. Gladly, we also experience forgiveness and restoration. This is the joy of the gospel of Jesus Christ, that we have all sinned greatly and that we have been forgiven because Jesus paid the price for our sins on the cross and we are restored to relationship with God.

So many have been deeply ministered to by Pastor Torres. His failure does not undo the positive influence he has had in many lives, in our church, and in our community.

Pastor Torres has always pointed us to the grace of God, where we find forgiveness and help in our time of need. Now it is our opportunity to surround him as a community, extend grace, and point him and his family to the grace of God. Gerald and his family need to know that we love them deeply and are determined to walk through this with them.

While there is forgiveness and restoration, there are consequences to Pastor Torres’s action. The elders have put Pastor Torres on leave for an undetermined period of time, and he agrees wholeheartedly with this decision.

We love Pastor Torres and his family. We are praying for them and are committed to their healing and well-being.

JesusisReality (anonymous profile)
May 10, 2014 at 8:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

OK I'm actually dying of laughter now. Brilliant!! These are my two faves:

"After reading comments from some of his supporters, it's no wonder Pastor Gerald drinks." -- Ken Volok

"Do you jerks really think with all your quoting of the bible your going to convert us into a bunch of drunk driving motorcycle riders?"-- Byrd

ireadthepaper (anonymous profile)
May 10, 2014 at 9:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Honorable mention:

"May you slide into your easy chair only to discover that your dog Fido dropped a dookie in it. May you have Randy Quaid as your next door neighbor. May jackdaws infest your garden and screech until you lose what little sanity you have left. May all your loved ones who are single marry liberals. May U B arrested for indecent exposure--at a nudist camp. Ken is heavily drugged right now and I had to rescue him from his suicide attempt (he had dived--head first--into a Marborg outhouse) and I think he will pull through, but he's gone through three boxes of Kleenex because you hurt him so."-- Dolphin Pod

ireadthepaper (anonymous profile)
May 10, 2014 at 9:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Every verse I have quoted backs up the above statement by Pastor Tyler Morgan. Read the full disclosure by Reality Church and compare to all the verses I have quoted.

I will continue to back up Reality statement and their full transparency with scripture. Nothing hidden.

The accusers can continue to hurl their stones at Pastor G. Someone who will suffer the consequences the rest of his life. Keep throwing your stones and insults at Pastor G. He is forgiven by the blood of Jesus. Jesus blood covers Pastor G. Jesus will continue to take your blows on behalf of Pastor G.

Keep it up. Jesus will prevail. Take up your grievance with Jesus.

JesusisReality (anonymous profile)
May 10, 2014 at 9:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

11. Thou Shalt Not Copy and Paste Ad Nauseum

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 10, 2014 at 9:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It's not Jesus I have a grievance with, it's the mindless drones copying and pasting in his name that's annoying.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 10, 2014 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

12. Thou shalt work on reading comprehension.
13. False accusations shall be countered with truth.
14. School playground adolescent spewing of nonsense shall be ignored and will remain on record as silly and unserious - childish entertainment for cowards.

JesusisReality (anonymous profile)
May 10, 2014 at 9:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jesus hated the pretenders...like jesusisreality.

lawdy (anonymous profile)
May 10, 2014 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

JesusisReality-- no one is an accuser here. G actually did something bad- he is not accused, he is guilty. And Ken, sorry-- had too.. those lines were too good not to repeat. Christians-- persecution is part of the deal. When you claim Christianity and make a big booboo, folks will notice. Think about it for a minute minus the fog.. A leader f's up - no matter who he/she is-- the opinions will flourish. If only Pastor G had had the common sense to know that this is what would happen. If only he had thought to himself "Not a good idea." The fact is.. he didn't think before his decision to hop on that bike with his son on-board while drinking for God's sake. A leader, especially in his position, should have known better and thought the whole thing through-- he should have known that not only would he be hurting himself and his poor family (whom I assume are taking the brunt of all of this) but also all of you folks who clearly love him. I don't think anyone is asking you to disown the poor man, but.. I don't know how to explain it.. Just be pissed off with the rest of us for awhile I guess-- be embarrassed-- he's your peep-- and he's making you and your church look uber bad.

ireadthepaper (anonymous profile)
May 10, 2014 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I bet Jesus would like these Pretenders (they write their own stuff!)

http://youtu.be/CK3uf5V0pDA

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 10, 2014 at 9:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No worries ireadthepaper, I enjoy your commentary.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 10, 2014 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

.. just 'got' the Pretenders bit... bravo bravo!!

ireadthepaper (anonymous profile)
May 10, 2014 at 10:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

12 Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord.

Romans 12:19 NASB

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 10, 2014 at 11:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You're certainly copying and pasting with a vengeance there HomeGirl.
Shouldn't you be busy making home fries or being all homey or something?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 10, 2014 at 11:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Love how you hypocrates talk forgiveness but cut everyone down Jesusisreality Eat my corn. Jesus rides a Harley not a YamaHA and not drunk. I have no problem with the Pastor other than putting a childs life on the line like any good hypocrate would..Paying for it the rest of his life I doubt it probley killing a few brews right now..Keep asking God to provide vengeance to those who do not agree with your abusive ways...You guys remind me of the Satanist who is in county jail in Nevada, and is suing the state because they won't give him ice cream as part of his diet.

Byrd (anonymous profile)
May 10, 2014 at 12:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My anger and disappointment with this situation is that it involves drinking and driving and child endangerment. While the adult charged (Gerald) is a leader in the Reality church community, he is also part of a LARGER community (Carpinteria, Santa Barbara County, etc) as is Reality church. I feel the same anger and disappointment with any adult who chooses to demonstrate a lack of good judgement. And yes, those adults who are in positions of leadership are held to a higher standard in my view. While those in Reality church have circled their wagons in support and perhaps even wish to close the church doors to the outside community, it is important to remember we are all part of a larger community who are concerned about the safety and welfare of children and intoxicated drivers on the road. I am not as adept as others with all the bible quoting but this might be appropriate: "Do not stand idly by when your neighbor's life is threatened. I am the LORD."

pointofview (anonymous profile)
May 10, 2014 at 3:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You too? Oh my Dog! Will the real Jesus stand up!?

Byrd (anonymous profile)
May 10, 2014 at 4:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There is no excuse for this DUI action, especially involving a young boy.
He needs to go to jail and have his son put into protective custody. This is not the first time this so called Christian compound has had problems. Several years prior to this, a youth pastor and his youth group dresses up in warrior garb and slaughtered a pig. I hope the IRS will consider suspending this compounds non profit.

morcaits (anonymous profile)
May 11, 2014 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The man should have realized that a full face shield helmet was worth the money.

PD12345 (anonymous profile)
May 11, 2014 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The attorney God must have instructed them to shut up.

Byrd (anonymous profile)
May 12, 2014 at 2:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Maybe reality finally realized God was speaking thru us to tell them to shut their judgmental pieholes.

lawdy (anonymous profile)
May 12, 2014 at 3:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Or they simply came to their senses.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 12, 2014 at 3:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No blogging on the sabath.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
May 12, 2014 at 4:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

(Loon stirs pot.)

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 12, 2014 at 5 p.m. (Suggest removal)

no, on the sabbath loon enjoys his pot, as he frequently tells us.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
May 12, 2014 at 6:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No stabbing on the bloggeth.

I think I've uncovered Loon's true identity, as I think he is one of the main characters on South Park. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcLrMO...

billclausen (anonymous profile)
May 12, 2014 at 6:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

“Religion. It's given people hope in a world torn apart by religion.”
― Jon Stewart

Rinconer (anonymous profile)
May 14, 2014 at 10:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The massive federal student loan program now leaving far too many students with college degrees that don't translate into viable jobs, and loan repayments that put their lives on hold now for decades has been just one more Democrat-progressive wealth redistribution program.

While they cry they are "friends of education", and you keep voting for them. Just thought you would want to know you have been diploma-washed by the unions and the education industrial complex, as much as you have been bamboozled by every other Democrat-progressive feel-good cause you keep handing our money over to.

Someday you will see the common denominator in this long-standing calculated fraud is the unions. For them, and only them, the American Dream is working. And the only sure career path to this pay-off. Do you want to sacrifice your own life to send your kid to the Ivy Leagues so he/she can get a union job?

If the Democrat-progressives really cared about education we would match graduation with strategic jobs for our national health, our economy would not be floundering as much as it is, we would not be demanding high-tech, high-skill immigration quotas be raised, and our own tax burdens would not be increasing.

"Education" as defined by the Democrat-progressives is a national disaster. Our own students got stupider, and only the self-serving unions and education industry got wealthier.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
May 14, 2014 at 10:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The Bible quotes were more relevant than Foo's one contribution to this thread.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 14, 2014 at 11:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If they really cared about the children over there they would let them make there own choices of weather or not they wanted to go to their church, or another, or none at all..Some children would not think the only option is to runaway from their parents that go to that church. The child reported to be "Out of Control" missing several days Moms at the church. A church member was following the child and believed him to be at Mc Donalds...What is up there?

Byrd (anonymous profile)
May 15, 2014 at 4:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Foofighter really?

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 15, 2014 at 11:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Byrd, how is your last post relevant to the original article? I'm sorry, I don't see the connection. Could you please explain? Thank you.

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 15, 2014 at 11:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Foo was addressing the culpability of unionized employees in the dui incident; and accusing the Church of outsourcing jobs, Marxism, and giving out worthless degrees is what I got from it.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 15, 2014 at 11:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Okay . . . Thanks, Ken.

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 16, 2014 at 12:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Although Foo's screed is off-topic, I have to agree with him/her.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
May 16, 2014 at 1:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ha ha, WRONG WAY foofi! What the heck can your bizarre screed about EDUCATION, in your latest post here, have to do with this dui topic??! You cut and paste so fast you pasted this ridiculous off-topic fantasy onto the wrong thread. Typical.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
May 16, 2014 at 4:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Chapter 1: The endangerment of Children at Reality Church, is that real enough for you Home Girl Would you like to Comment?

Byrd (anonymous profile)
May 16, 2014 at 8:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My error posting to the wrong thread. This was re-posted to the correct one and a request was made to cancel it on this thread. Request obviously denied. However, nice to learn there is a ready audience regardless. Thank you and carry on.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
May 16, 2014 at 8:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Byrd, you are referring to physically AT the church, that's not accurate or relevant to the original article. Blessings.

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 16, 2014 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That's all good and fine it shows that there is history of incidents concerning children..No thanks I got my own Blessings. Go talk to a wall

Byrd (anonymous profile)
May 16, 2014 at 5:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I was.

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 16, 2014 at 6:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

People do dumbass things all the time. Many/all of them should know better. Some learn; some don't. The measure of a person is if they learn and do not repeat. I don't know if Jesus was real ( I allow for that possibility), but I certainly don't like the cultish following of someone who has not been proven to have existed. However, here are quotes from a real man that learned from mistakes, and practiced what he said.

"Do not judge me by my successes, judge me by how many times I fell down and got back up again."

"You will achieve more in this world through acts of mercy than you will through acts of retribution."

Nelson Mandela

tabatha (anonymous profile)
May 16, 2014 at 8:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's amazing the amount of public interest and scrutiny this story has.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 16, 2014 at 8:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That's right you are because I don't believe a thing you say..

Byrd (anonymous profile)
May 16, 2014 at 8:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's because Christians act as if they are saints they can do no wrong it is the rest of us that are sinners that are wrong. So of course when one of them screw up it is up to the sinners to let them know they are not saints..

Byrd (anonymous profile)
May 17, 2014 at 8:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This sinner is definitely no saint. The ones that believe they are live 24/7 deception.

HomeGirl (anonymous profile)
May 19, 2014 at 12:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yea but you Christians think you are...And not only that but your a bunch of know it alls who speak of forgiveness but judge others..Back at you manure heads!

Byrd (anonymous profile)
May 19, 2014 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There's a new documentary in release: "God Loves Uganda" illustrating American Evangelical Imperialism in Uganda and other African nations including the murder of gay people.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unfundam...

*** Sorry for dupe post, I pulled a Foo and posted in the wrong thread!

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 19, 2014 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

OK, lets deal with reality:
1. This incident is horrible for a multitude of reasons that will be dealt with lawfully.
2. How many of you exceeded the speed limit by 1 mph? In so doing you have KNOWINGLY endangered the lives of EVERYONE around you.
Summary: Don't be the first to cast stones since your punishment does not match the crime.
Lets deal with the root cause of "You Christians are (name your expletive)":
1. I know what it is to have a personal relationship with Jesus (son of GOD), messed up badly, learned from my teacher Jesus, then fight each day to do better. I KNOW & UNDERSTAND it on a personal level earned from 50 years of honest personal experience, scientific study & research.
2. These questions are for you to personally answer. The holy spirit will help, but it is up to you to choose to believe. If you are honest with yourself then your quest will be fruitful. Eternity is an unfathomable long time. Are you beyond absolute certainty that hell does not exist? Are you beyond absolute certainty that Jesus (son of GOD) & his teachings don't exist? Are you beyond absolute certainty that you have accurately ascertained the evidence before you? Any sidebars that keep you from honestly answering the above questions are stumbling blocks you need to dissallow.

caredabout (anonymous profile)
May 19, 2014 at 7:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Move along caredabout, we done talking about you.

lawdy (anonymous profile)
May 19, 2014 at 7:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't drive...

Byrd (anonymous profile)
May 20, 2014 at 12:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What is done in the dark WILL come into the light.
Being a pastor does not remove him from mainstream society's rules and the price for not obeying the laws that we all face.
He is entitled to and blessed to have the unconditional love of others.

gr8joy (anonymous profile)
May 24, 2014 at 7:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow remember when this was our biggest outrage?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 24, 2014 at 7:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

entitled good repubiecan word..

Byrd (anonymous profile)
June 4, 2014 at 5:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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