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Monday, May 12, 2014
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Measure M2014 on the June ballot may look like a good idea at first glance, but it would have serious long-term consequences. Seventy five percent of the county budget must go to mandated programs that the state or federal government require, so that the remaining 25 percent is all the discretionary money the county has for other urgent needs. Measure M would take a large portion of that discretionary money away from other important services every year, and permanently. Because no source of funding is provided in this measure, other important programs would have to be cut. The ballot rebuttal against Measure M notes that police, fire, and emergency services might have to be reduced.

The League of Women Voters has always believed that government bodies need flexibility in handling their yearly budgets. This ballot measure does not allow such flexibility. Therefore the League is joining the Environmental Defense Center and other public nonprofits in urging you to vote NO on Measure M2014.

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Maintaining *CURRENT* road and park conditions is outrageous and unacceptable. It just makes no sense at all.

Of course, we should look to the totally fair and balanced (and completely unbiased viewpoint) of the impartial and non-partisan leadership of the League of Women Voters to tell us this.

After all, they are the sensible group that has advocated for years to grow our dependency on government programs and rely on trusted bureaucratic overlords to make decisions for us and tell us what to chant and what to wear as we march and beat drums up and down State St. only when a Republican Prez is in the Whitehouse.

There is no way to get 10% more efficiency out of our massivepool of (20% of Countywide Employment is gov't) union workers to both (1) maintain existing road and park conditions and (2) support all the welfare projects that the League supports. It's just impossible.

Yes to potholes and broken playgrounds!
No to self-reliance and private charity!

Vote Yes on M.

realitycheck88 (anonymous profile)
May 12, 2014 at 6:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

avoid cranks like reality, Vote NO on stupid M. And why slam the League of Women Voters, eh? they drive the same roads we do and don't seem too hot and bothered. Let's NOT reduce the state to the ultra-libertarian's dream 'WATCHMAN STATE" which simply safeguards the strongboxes of the 1%, maintains the roads, an army, and also funds a fire dept. Our society needs so much more and in our new GILDED AGE II (cf. T. Piketty: Capital in the 21st Century) the upper crust fights any additional taxation to help provide for public education, worker training, a higher minimum wage. Class warfare is being waged FROM ABOVE, howevermuch foo howls au contraire.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
May 12, 2014 at 6:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well we know where we're going... http://youtu.be/AWtCittJyr0

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 12, 2014 at 6:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ken, that video brought a tear to my eye.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
May 12, 2014 at 6:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"important services"? Like what? Fund a new jail to destabilize the mentally ill?

As bad as Measure M may be, letting the BOS decide where the 25% should go appears to be even worse.

Georgy (anonymous profile)
May 13, 2014 at 2:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No on Measure M. Privileged Contractors and Farmers should not be allowed to dictate to the rest of the County how money should be spent. The Board of Supervisors was elected by the people and should be given the discretion to spend the relatively small amount of discretionary funds to serve the public interest. One Supervisor does not speak for the whole population.

uselogicatleast (anonymous profile)
June 2, 2014 at 5:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well said, uselogicatleast.

Just wait until the next recession or when some other new financial constraint comes along, and we're stuck with this big mandated expenditure. What do you do then when your priorities and constraints have shifted? You need flexibility!

Reminds me of State Water. Oops! Can't change our minds, we voted for that and have to pay for it.

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 2:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Giving our elected leader flexibility to enable them to pander to special interests is what got us into this fiscal mess in the first place. Force the politicians to do what they are elected to do. Vote YES on Measure M!

Botany (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 7:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

M is designed to bankrupt the county and privatize services, to the financial benefit of Peter Adam, who's looking more and more corrupt with each passing day.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Do you have some evidence of that Ken, or did you just pull it out of your @ss?

Botany (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 10:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Peter Adam has said as much, so it looks like he's made an @ss of you my dear Botany.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Really, he said he introduced measure M for his own financial gain? Now you're just throwing stuff from your @ass into the fan to see where it lands. Looks like Peter Adama has 10 times the credibility of trolls like yourself.

Botany (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Who's Peter Adama? And who is truly the troll, one stating facts under their real name or one name calling under a pseudonym? Food for thought when you learn to think Botany.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 2:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You are the troll, because you're the one that made completely unsubstantiated claims. Why is Adam corrupt? How is he benefitting from Measure M? You threw these things out there, do you have the guts or the facts to back them up or are you just to throw more sh1t into the fan?

Botany (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 2:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He gains via "campaign contributions" and more importantly investments in firms that could be potentially contracted to carry out the work.
If you're no still peeing your pants Botany, have a look for yourself?
You'd think I had called you corrupt and we're going to gain from M!
All part of M's strategy to privatize public works to the benefit of a few.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 3:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You should vote for Measure M Ken because it's clear you have no idea what your talking about, so just take my word for it, OK? Measure M is a good thing. It's clearly too taxing on your brain for you to figure this out for yourself.

Botany (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 3:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Happily voted NO first thing this morning, in fact it was the very first ballot point I marked. A big fat blacl "NO" for "M". Yes SB has infrastructure problems but they can't be fixed all at once nor do they need to be. It's an impossible task that would bankrupt the County. I'll not take your financial advice if you think that's good business thank you. Why don;'t you make every repair on your homes and properties and car(s) all at once and pay all your regular bills and come back and tell us what a bright idea M was (not).
You're namecalling etc illustrates that you're operating on pure emotion (panic); even your insults are much weaker than usual because you know deel down that once again I am correct and you're just emotional.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 3:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I bet Joni Gray could get her seat back, whatever differences of opinion one might have with her, at least she tried to govern responsibly and responsively, even if you weren't in her district. Adam acts as if anyone outside his district is the enemy and has shown far from responsible leadership.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 3:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Measure M is BS, Botany, & you hafta know that, plus it's going down in defeat. I voted NO on M this morning. Peter Adam has gotten heavy support from SME, and here's the Santa Maria Sun placing PETER ADAM in the global warming hall of shame because of a vote PETER ADAM made supporting SME's gross pollution: http://www.santamariasun.com/commenta...
You are the troll, Botz, we all know this, just accept it, and KV has been schooling you, try to learn something for once.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 4:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Santa Maria Energy gave $10,000 to support Peter Adam's bizarre Measure M [http://www.independent.com/news/2014/mar/27/campaign-cash-survey/?print] and last Nov. Peter Adam voted to ease restrictions on SME in terms of pollution. He's corrupt.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 4:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Peter Adam also filed suit to destroy a wetland he purchased knowing it was a protected wetland (c. 2008.)

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 4:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nancy Crawfish-Hall also is a big pro-M contributor. Can't pay her newspaper employees, but she can throw money at this.
How about her, Adam, and the rest of the illegal-alien employers fix the roads? They must have plenty saved from what they won't pay Americans.

Walter (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 5 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"They must have plenty saved from what they won't pay Americans."
Walter (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 5 p.m

FINALLY someone is saying what I've been saying--that the people hiring illegal aliens are NOT passing the savings unto us, but pocketing it for themselves.

By the way, I too voted "no" on Measure M.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 6:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Walter, why do you call her "Crawfish"?...as if its something bad? Do you think us sea creatures are inferior? Listen to this 4 second message by the great philosopher Maude Findley...she's talking about U.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8VSSd...

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 6:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh yeah DD. And Janet Wolf accepts gobs of money from the SEIU and gives away the farm in contract negotiations. Of course you think that's not corruption I'm sure. The best solution is to take away the choice from politicians and give it to the taxpayers.

Measure M will win! We'll find out at 8:05 tonight!

Botany (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 6:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So you'll buy me a cheeseburger when M loses Botany?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 8:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OK, it's 8:11.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 8:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

the taxpayers aren't that smart, ya know? ochlochracy bad.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 8:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

C'mon Great Botanical One, did it pass, or not? I can't stand the suspense, it's 8:25, how long am I supposed to wait?!

billclausen (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 8:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochlocracy
Yes, I had to look it up. Note spelling. Thanks for the new word, DrDan.
Ken, thanks for the music. Botany? Oh, never mind.

M is tight!

http://www.sbcvote.com/elect/resource...

MEASURE M2014 COUNTY FACILITIES MAINTENANCE ORDINANCE
Polling VBM Total
Number of Precincts 200 0 200
Precincts Reporting 19 0 19 9.5 %
Vote For 1 1 1
Total Votes 0 38225 38225
Yes 0 19406 19406 50.77%
No 0 18819 18819 49.23%

geraldbostock (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 8:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Too close to call right now.

Botany (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 9:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

10:56 and no results ..

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 3, 2014 at 10:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Botany, you cruel sadistic bully. You promised us we would know by 8:05 (Oh, were you trying to be funny as in playing a joke on our area code?) and here we are, clausen is having a nervous breakdown, Volak is probably getting stoned, and all you can say is "Too close to call right now"? Were you the one that said Al Gore took Florida in 2000? Whats a dolphin to do?

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
June 4, 2014 at 12:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Semi-official final tally as of 11:16 PM:

http://www.sbcvote.com/elect/resource...

Measure M defeated, 28,087 No, 26,675 Yes

Number of registered voters in SB County ~198K, so about 27.6% of voters cast votes on M.

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
June 4, 2014 at 12:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Another sad day in the Botany domicile. And you owe me a cheeseburger.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
June 4, 2014 at 12:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What's even more sad is how dishonest Peter Adam and the Measure M campaign was. Adam tried to offer County residents candy without telling them how much it would *really* cost or how it would be paid for.

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
June 4, 2014 at 1:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

oops, ochlocracy is right, thanks for correction. What's amazing is how M almost won, but then archaic Peter Adam couldn't trick even half of the 29% who bothered to vote (so less than 14% of eligible voters wanted M despite the lies and ridiculous BS from our North County Supe, who admits he wants to secede from us southies. Go on, leave, you've been rejected by the southies. And we said here, right Botany?

DrDan (anonymous profile)
June 4, 2014 at 5:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, this was a huge public employee win. Not only did the SEIU get their stooge (Janet Wolf) back, they defeated Measure M which would have given the supervisors a lot less discretion in spending taxpayer money. Now Janet if free to shower the public employee unions with taxpayer money in return for their support.

Botany (anonymous profile)
June 4, 2014 at 5:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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