Santa Barbara Sheriff's press conference on the Isla Vista shooting  (May 24, 2014)

Paul Wellman

Santa Barbara Sheriff's press conference on the Isla Vista shooting (May 24, 2014)

Disturbing Details Released in Isla Vista Murders

Suspect Elliot Rodger Fatally Stabbed Three Men Before Shooting Rampage

Saturday, May 24, 2014
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Disturbing new details have been released in the premeditated mass murder Friday night in Isla Vista that claimed the lives of seven people, including the suspect’s. During a crowded press conference Saturday afternoon outside his headquarters, Sheriff Bill Brown explained that information previously released by authorities has been clarified and corrected as the investigation unfolds.

Brown confirmed that the suspect — who likely committed suicide by shooting himself in the head after a 10-minute rampage throughout the seaside college town — has been positively identified as 22-year-old Elliot Oliver Robertson Rodger. A resident of Capri Apartments on the 6500 block of Seville Road in Isla Vista, Rodger fatally stabbed three unidentified men in his apartment before his shooting spree. No 9-1-1 calls were placed during the stabbings, and authorities only discovered the three victims’ bodies after the subsequent shootings and as they began to investigate Rodger’s involvement. Brown described the apartment as a “pretty horrific crime scene.”

Katie Cooper
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Katie Cooper

Veronika Weiss
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Veronika Weiss

Christopher Michaels-Martinez
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Christopher Michaels-Martinez

Brown said the men’s names aren’t being released as officials work to notify their families. The three victims killed by Rodger’s gunfire around the Isla Visa loop area have been identified as 22-year-old Katie Cooper of Chino Hills; 19-year-old Veronika Weiss of Westlake Village; and 20-year-old Christopher Michaels-Martinez of Los Osos. All were UCSB students. Cooper and Weiss were both members of Delta Delta Delta sorority. Thirteen people were injured in Rodger’s rampage, Brown went on, eight by bullets, four by car when Rodger plowed into them, and one by unknown means. All are expected to make full recoveries.

Rodger was armed with three semiautomatic 9mm handguns as he drove around Isla Vista in his black BMW and sprayed bullets at people nearby. Two of the guns were SIG Sauer P226 pistols, and one was a Glock 34 Long Slide. All of the weapons were legally purchased from federally licensed firearm dealers and were registered to Rodger, Brown said. He bought one in Goleta, one in Oxnard, and one in Burbank. In addition to the guns, Rodger was in possession of 34 loaded 10-round magazines for the SIG Sauers and seven loaded 10-round magazine for the Glock.

Before the nightmarish scene unfolded on Friday, the Sheriff’s Office had three previous contacts with Rodger, Brown said. The first occurred on July 21, 2013, when an Isla Vista Foot Patrol Officer was called to the hospital to meet Rodger, who claimed to be the victim of an assault and was being treated for his injuries. As the officer was documenting the incident, he received information that Rodger was actually the aggressor in the confrontation. The case was suspended pending any additional leads, Brown explained.

On January 15, 2014, Rodger contacted the Sheriff’s Office to accuse his roommate of stealing three of his candles valued at $22. The roommate was charged with petty theft and cited and released at County Jail.

The third contact took place on April 30, 2014. One of Rodger’s relatives had requested that officials perform a welfare check on him at his apartment. When deputies arrived, they found Rodger to be “polite and courteous,” if not a little “timid and shy.” He spoke of difficulties in his social life and said he would likely not return to school the next semester. The deputies offered him options for support resources before clearing the call.

During the press conference, reporters asked if Brown felt his deputies may have erred in their assessment. “I’m not going to play Monday morning quarterback at this point,” Brown responded. “We’re still investigating this incident and exactly what happened in the interaction. But you need to understand that this is a fairly routine type of call.” Deputies are “well-trained and adept” at handling such an assignment, he went on. Brown said Rodger “was being seen by a variety of health care professionals” but declined to elaborate on when or for what reason. Brown did say, however, that an examination of the 141-page manifesto and video testimonials that Rodger published before his rampage provided clear indications that he was “severely mentally disturbed.”

A large gathering of media at the Santa Barbara Sheriff's press conference on the Isla Vista shooting (May 24, 2014)
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Paul Wellman

A large gathering of media at the Santa Barbara Sheriff’s press conference on the Isla Vista shooting (May 24, 2014)

Pointing to a map of Isla Vista marked with the locations of 10 different crime scenes, Brown walked the media through the chronology of violent events that began just before 9:30 p.m. After murdering the three men in his apartment on Seville Road, Rodger traveled to the Alpha Phi sorority house in the 800 block of Embarcadero Del Norte. In his last YouTube video posted the day before the killings, Rodger — after blaming rejections from women as the reason for his life of “loneliness” and “unfulfilled desires” — stated that, “On the day of retribution, I am going to enter the hottest sorority house of UCSB, and I will slaughter every single spoiled, stuck-up, blond slut I see inside there.”

Brown said that several Alpha Phi members heard “loud and aggressive” knocking at the home’s front door that lasted for one-two minutes. No one opened the door, Brown said, but shortly thereafter a witness said Rodger shot three young women standing nearby. Katie Cooper and Veronika Weiss were fatally wounded, and a third victim suffered multiple gunshot wounds but survived.

Rodger then drove to I.V. Deli Mart on Pardall Road where he exited his car, walked into the store, and shot and killed Christopher Michaels-Martinez. By this point, Foot Patrol officers had heard the gunfire and were responding to the scene. They arrived at the deli to see Rodger fleeing eastbound in his car.

Driving on the wrong side of the road near the top of the loop, Rodger fired multiple rounds at two people walking on the sidewalk. Turning south on El Embarcadero before heading east on Del Playa Drive, Rodger then brandished one of his guns at a female victim before firing several rounds at her. He turned his car around and started traveling west on Del Playa where he encountered a lone deputy rushing to the area on foot. He shot at the deputy, who returned fire, before speeding off and ramming into a bicyclist.

At this point Rodger turned north onto Camino Del Sur and shot three people at the intersection of Sabado Tarde Road. Now traveling eastbound on Sabado Tarde and shooting another victim along the road, Rodger was met by four deputies running across Acorn Park. He opened fire at them, and three of the deputies shot back, striking Rodger’s car and hitting him in the left hip area.

Rodger turned south onto El Embarcadero before driving back onto Del Playa Drive where he sped into another bicyclist who was thrown onto the hood of his car and smashed through its windshield. Rodger collided with several parked cars before coming to a stop. When deputies reached the scene, they found Rodger dead with a gunshot wound to his head. Brown said it appears Rodger had taken his own life.

Brown expressed his condolences to the friends and families of those who were killed, and wished a speedy and complete recovery for the injured. He commended his deputies for acting in a “resolute and heroic manner” to stop Rodger before he murdered or maimed any additional victims, pointing to Rodger’s cache of ammunition in his car. Brown asked that anyone with information on the case or who witnessed the killing spree to contact the Sheriff’s Office.

Later Saturday evening, a spokesperson for Santa Barbara City College, where Brown said Rodger was a student, issued a statement explaining that while Rodger had registered at SBCC at various times during the last three years, he had either stopped attending or had withdrawn from all his courses. Before that, in 2011, he had completed three classes, Joan Galvan said. “To our knowledge, none of the identified deceased victims were students at the college,” Galvan stated.

Attorney General Kamala Harris also issued a statement Saturday. “On behalf of the California Department of Justice, I extend my heartfelt sympathy to the family and friends of the victims of Friday night’s terrible shooting in Isla Vista,” she said. “Our thoughts and prayers are with all who have been affected by these tragic acts of violence. My office will continue to work with local and federal law enforcement officials to support the ongoing investigation.”


Independent Discussion Guidelines

Rodger wrote his story, a shocking document, showing that he planned this "retribution" for more than a year, intending to kill many more people, and that less than a month ago, 7 police came to his apartment to talk with him. If they had searched the apartment, his plans would have been ended, he wrote.

It would be interesting to know how this "manifesto" was posted online.

at_large (anonymous profile)
May 24, 2014 at 10:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

stop trying to get more headlines. let the victims heal. you're making the situation worse by giving him and his story more power. you're inspiring other people like him.

nitrogen (anonymous profile)
May 24, 2014 at 10:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Who gave this monster a BMW and set it among us? Who paid the rent on that apartment? Whose money purchased those guns?

Eckermann (anonymous profile)
May 24, 2014 at 10:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I would be curious why the family worried about him enough to call the police to check on him a month or so ago, and if there was any failure or neglect to act on the police's part.

wallymoon (anonymous profile)
May 24, 2014 at 11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"wallymoon"- Law enforcement went to his residence, spoke with him & he displayed no signs of being mentally incompetent (You were not there, at the time of the call, so, do not judge). They did all that they could do. Law enforcement in Santa Barbara County did as they were required to do, i.e.: "check his welfare". He appeared to be able to care for himself and not be a danger/threat to himself or others at that time. "If" they (law enforcement) had decided to "violate" his Constitutional Rights & detain him for what he "allegedly" said, to his family members, they (law enforcement) would have been crucified, by you & your kind, for over reacting. Basically what I'm getting at is this: No matter what law enforcement did/does, it is "WRONG" in your book and is all their fault.

ChrisR (anonymous profile)
May 24, 2014 at 11:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm tired but I read the 140 page manifesto to try to get some type of understanding... it's more of a diary of his life, he was an angry and lonely soul, had thoughts about women that probably were unfounded but his deep seated fear of them was an obsession. Sad stuff, totally crazy in the head :(

santabarbarasand (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 12:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

at_large, it's unclear and convoluted; I only saw this on tv. KEYT reported, (pretty sure it was Butitta on the left, with Lopez and another female reporter at the desk), prior to the Sheriff's press conference that started about 5:25, that someone who knew him from the body building page forums, who later friended him on FB, saw the manifesto. Not sure if E. Rodger posted it or where, or if he sent it to this FB friend, but reportedly, this person sent it to KEYT asking them if they'd seen it. Shades of Kaczynski; not often a huge manifesto is written and comes to light.

geraldbostock (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 12:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, santabarabarasand gets the "Valiant Research Before Commenting Award" for sure. That "manifesto" was too much word soup for me.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 12:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

as to how the mannifesto got online?! heck once it's on the interwebs, someone's going to save and cache and post it! But it was in digital form to be shared as I outlined above.

I'm curious as to why the family didn't check on him! Heck with sending LE. They should've driven up here themselves. such a long trip, they must be so busy with more important things.

geraldbostock (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 12:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, that authoritative police official talking about how well trained his officers are is sickening. Do the police ever screw up? Ever? Mental health professionals should be doing wellness checks America, not a bunch of blue-uniformed Napoleons!

tippypop (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 12:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

From what he wrote in the "manifesto", he was in close contact with his mother who did visit Santa Barbara and with whom he stayed on holidays. He did not get along with his stepmother and there are fewer mentions of his father who was often traveling.

His mother gave him the BMW; both parents supported him financially, believing that he was studying at SBCC, as he told them. He saved what they gave him so as to buy the expensive handguns, at least two of which were expensive.

at_large (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 12:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Rodger was seeing your mental health professionals on a regular basis. If we took into custody everyone who makes bizarre statements, only of couple of us would be able to post on this blog.

formersbso (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 7:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Shame on you, Santa Barbara Independent, for memorializing the killer on your front page.

Your focus should be on the victims and their families--and our grieving community.

Why not run a photo of the THOUSANDS of people who marched in Isla Vista against this senseless tragedy?

Why not run information on what we SB Citizens can do to END GUN VIOLENCE?

Poorly played, Independent, appallingly poorly played.

Emily (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 8:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This incident was 100% Elliot Rodger's responsibility. A dedicated and severely messed up person can evade all of the checks and balances and he did that.

I'm not shy about criticizing law enforcement when I feel appropriate. This is *not* an appropriate situation to criticize them. The foot patrol by design and execution did a fantastic job. I share Bill Brown's praise.

I would also praise the IV community. 911 was called immediately and repeatedly. I don't doubt that lots of aid was provided repeatedly to law enforcement by the community in every way.

I read Rodger's `manifesto'. It is not a manifesto it is an autobiography. It gives huge insight into his character, which is very shallow.

Rodger totally lacked empathy for other people. He lacked all ability to imagine a perspective from someone else's head. He was like an outsider copy catting the motions of human interaction with no knowledge of what people's motivations really are. He had no spiritual life whatsoever, religious or non-religious.

One can read all sorts of ills into his autobiography, but I think the dominant one is simply that he is an outlier. I hope darned few as totally messed up has him exist.

pardallchewinggumspot (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 8:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Disturbing Details Released..."
As opposed to the non disturbing, happy details of mass murder?
This is not the fault of any outside entity including the police, mother, NRA, mental health folks; this is purely the fault of a 22 year old that previously fell somewhere on the infinite shade of grey mental health spectrum, and now falls clearly in the Death Row spectrum.

nomoresanity (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 8:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Read part of the manifesto and Rodger was highly intelligent in his verbal description of his plan. One report said that he had high functioning Aspergers syndrome which makes sense as to why he was so socially awkward. So riddle me this Batman, why why would his parents send him away to go to college when he clearly had a history of mental illness? He was seeing multiple psychological professionals. And to Isla Vista? I did my time in IV, but it can get crazy even for a sane person. And the parents called the police because of disturbing letters posted online. Why didn't the cops search his residence? Probable cause yes, but isn't threatening to do harm is cause enough? Multiple entities are responsible in tragedies like this. When are we going to wake up as a nation and see that our systems of dealing with mental health issues is lacking significant processes? And don't get me started on these individuals access to firearms.

soleiles (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think once we hear more of his family's and friend's stories about him that we will probably learn he was in therapy for half of his life and medicated for mental disorders off and on. I don't KNOW this but Elliot wrote about seeing different therapists and once about meds, and he was in Independent study for most of high school because of his social awkwardness... however, he was writing his point of view and what stood out to him, he wasn't writing about his mental illness. I've heard "high functioning autism" was a diagnosis for him.

More details here about seeing a therapist since he was 8. He sent his parents his manifesto the night of the shooting, his mom saw it and then checked his youtube account and saw the Retribution video, called his dad and they were on their way to SB to find him when they heard about the shooting.

santabarbarasand (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am sure we will be presented with these details, and there really are some very sad parallels to the David Attias case [he is walking free now, you know], but even so, as historians say (C.V. Wedgwood), "to understand is not to forgive". Sure, the parents were driving up from LA once they saw the YouTube stuff...if he needed this much "therapy" (and I could imagine a lot of it is effective), how could they let him move over a hundred miles away?

DrDan (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 10:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Attius stuffed himself full of drugs and announced to all he was going out to get laid. Yes, there are obvious parallels. The harvest of the sex, drugs and rock and roll culture that took over America a few decades ago. These are your children.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Missing completely in Rodgers sexual demands is no acknowledgement for impregnation, birth control or STD's. Nope, it is all take, take, take and then walk away from even the remotest sense of consequences.

This is the message he got for far too long about sex from our culture. Power and rape is the only message he understood, and he dared call it "love". Thank you Hollywood.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 10:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

AZ2SB (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 10:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Foo, most Homo Sapien Sapiens like sex. Sexual obsession has been around since we first stood upright. Modern culture has nothing to do with this tragedy, but hey if people dying gives you a reason to troll your twisted ideas go for it. People are laughing at you.

Herschel_Greenspan (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

foofighter, you're tripping! He was paranoid and completely socially handicapped... his parents should NOT have sent him to school here, I fully agree on that but his misunderstandings about power and rape and love, etc. are not based upon Hollywood, if his writing is honest... it's based upon his misunderstanding and misinterpretation of relationships because his parents didn't talk to him about stuff and because he learned what little he knew from peers that bullied him and told him stories.

Being loved and having intimate and affectionate relationships IS something that makes us feel valued in life and it was something he didn't understand or have the first idea of how to get because he was too afraid to act. He didn't want to admit his fear was a weakness and instead he blamed others and felt being angry was a sign of strength. He was mentally ill, his brain didn't work right, he didn't understand things that way that most people do. That's the reality.

santabarbarasand (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The family lawyered-up quickly, and their mouthpiece is trying to blame the cops and everyone else for this, but a few of you have hit on the central point.

IMO this latest rampage was foreseeable. College has its own very real stresses. Sending your severely mentally-ill son to college a hundred miles away to live in a Disneyland of almost complete freedom, a lack of adult supervision with little effective mental health assistance and with lots of money to spend on things such as powerful handguns and lots of ammunition strikes me as irresponsible, because it can result in catastrophe - as it has before with the Attias rampage.

Just my opinion, your mileage may vary.

LegendaryYeti (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

CNN has video from the IV Deli Mart, where Christopher Michael-Martinez died. A lot of young IV residents tried to help him in the presence of gunfire.

Anyone else notice that Rodgers decided to drive down Sabado Tarde in exactly the same manner as Attias? But Rodgers did it at 9:30pm before the crowds, while Attias chose 11pm when the crowds are thicker.

One of the memorials to the victims of Attias that used to be on the wall of one of the Sabado apartment buildings seems to have been taken down. Little Acorn park still has its memorial, forlorn in the harsh sunlight.

pardallchewinggumspot (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 11:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If the parents were so concerned they should have dropped what they were doing and driven two hours up 101 to see for themselves what their child was doing. The SBSO is not there to babysit.

Herschel_Greenspan (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 12:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Who would take down a memorial? That deserves protest.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 12:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

@Herschel_Greenspan ... based on this CNN report, that's what Rodger's parents did:

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 12:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

A month ago when they called the SBSO, was the time for an intervention not fifteen minutes before the killing spree. They knew that he was a ticking time bomb. The parents tried to make their problem child someone else's responsibility. They deserve much of the blame and they should not blame the SBSO.

Herschel_Greenspan (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rodgers apparently bought three guns which were registered to his name. The Sheriff's deputies who checked his welfare at the request of a mental health professional and his mother, who suspected there was danger, have access to the record that he had recently purchased the firearms. They could have easily looked this up which would have raised a red flag. Deputies need better training. Just because a person seems "polite", is not an excuse to not adequately investigate what is at their fingertips. This is very sad to know.

sbs124 (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)

America has a mental health crisis on its hands. Building prisons doesn't protect us from mentally ill behavior. When will politicians wake up and fundamentally restructure public safety spending to address mental health. Access to guns is to easy for mentally ill people as well.

Georgy (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 2:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree, Georgy.

LegendaryYeti (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 3:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Obtaining a firearm license should require the applicant to authorize access to his/her medical records. Of course even that wouldn't help stabbing victims.

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 4:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Not all, but a huge part of this problem is the U.S. gun culture and the way that the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution has been interpreted. Last year the City of Oakland had more firearm deaths than the whole country of Canada. Guns are not illegal in Canada, but they have effective gun regulation there and handguns are very difficult to purchase and own. I expect to be flamed for this next comment, however, perhaps it is time to abolish the 2nd Amendment and let the individual states deal with gun regulation. Then we would have safe states and gun death states and the voters would soon decide which is better. If there are no barriers to gun purchase for people who have been in therapy for emotional disorder since they were 8 years old, there is no way to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people. We need to do something about that.

Eckermann (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 6:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Condolences to the victims and their families.

Rinconer (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 6:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is a very sad story. Using our experience, and mental capacity, people look for a reason, a cause. That results in blame. Everyone thinks of some direction to point the finger. Elliot Rodger did this. He was disturbed because of the way people reacted to him. He was disturbing. So, was it girls, guns, parents, roommates, et al? No. That's more of a consequence of a deeper story.
• We live in an anxious, competitive society, we call civilization. Legends, Religion (king's legion), Sports, and Boy Scouts were created to condition our youth into believing violence is part of human nature. Primitive, prime, men did not carry clubs and drag women around by the hair as commonly illustrated. Mostly, they believed woman was the creator and adored her as the center of the tribe. Religion was created to change this to a patriarchy.
• We are patriotic. We honor the warriors. Now, we use video games and movies to condition our children into accepting extreme, impossible violence as perfectly natural and unbelievably thrilling. It's a new belief system for an overpopulated world. It's where the money is in the film industry. It's part of a recruitment system.
• Elliot Rodger was an integral part of the core of this advanced social system. He's an imaginary self-crucified christ or cryist. The movies have taken the place of the Sunday church stories and a proud death may be a daily youthful experience if we play the games financed by the recruitment budget. But the youth are not allowed to watch sexy love movies. That's a totally different direction.

Jeus (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 6:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

With regard to those comments about his parent; he was 22 years old. Although most psychologists and neurologist agree that the human brain is not completely developed until as late as 30 years of age, Elliot was legally responsible for himself; this includes his words and actions. Still, if I were his parents I would have paid more attention to his online persona and upon discovering his posting I would have made his mental health professional aware of the content.
As for the LEOs being fooled by him; judging from his calm demeanor during his Youtube videos I would guess he could easily pull the wool over their eyes.

dionysiuspetros (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 6:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

He didn't belong up here in school, the more I read the more I can see that. I can't help but wonder if his parents thought he was a danger to his sister and her friends and that's why they decided he should come to school here. They paid for his rent and spending money so he could do it and clearly he couldn't handle it, he kept calling home having meltdowns. There is a certain responsibility, and they know it, he wasn't capable of having an adult life. It's all sad and I totally feel it could and should have been prevented. I feel that they tried but they knew the dangers, there should have been more that they were capable of doing and more that our society could have done too. Ugh, just so sad.

santabarbarasand (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 7:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

" most Homo Sapien Sapiens like sex."

Most species do - it is the survival means of that species. It is a hormonal drive in youngsters that is not something that is easily turned off/controlled. Men, apparently, think of it frequently. It is programmed into every species.

tabatha (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 9:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

...and let's also consider the nature of the film "Hunger Games" in which his dad played a part.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 9:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Eckermann: Think of all the strict gun control Chicago has yet look at its high murder rate.

I'd feel much safer if my car broke down in rural Indiana even with all the gun owners there than I would if my car broke down in my native Chicago.

That reminds me: A friend of my dad (Lenny was like an uncle to me) had his car break down in Chicago--I think it was on the Edens expressway. Sure enough, a gang of thugs approached him--Lenny pulled out his pistol, the thugs left, end of that story.

Fists, baseball bats, and knives can be bad when you're overpowered or outnumbered. Sometimes there isn't enough time to even make the 9-1-1 call.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 9:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here one of the most disturbing detail of this tragedy, the parents of this monster have yet to make a public apology. Instead they have their mouthpiece, Shiftman, doing damage control, desperately trying to deflect the blame from the killer and his guilty parents onto the SBSO. It is bad enough that they pawned off their demon child onto the people of Isla Vista, now they want to blame the local authorities for not stopping the atrocities the were committed by their ward. The entitled apple did not fall far from the self absorbed tree.

Herschel_Greenspan (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 10:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sheriff Bill Brown has some nerve saying that his "Deputies are 'well-trained and adept' at handling such an assignment" after they've royally screwed up. No, they're not and pretending they are is just offensive.

Firstly, why does he think that the police can spot danger in one conversation? By that reasoning, Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer were also not dangerous. Maybe they can spot some obvious ones but not the sociopaths.

Clearly their procedures need revamping. Here, I'll do the thinking for them:

a) If there's a threat (which there clearly was on multiple videos) get a search warrant and look for weapons and crazy manifestos. Almost every mass murder has these in their bedrooms.

b) Psychiatric evaluations need to be made by psychiatrists who would have access to the person, the video, and the family. Take him in on a 5150 and if the psychiatrist thinks he's not able to be involuntarily committed, that's his/her decision.

Secondly, Bill, your six deputies were clearly mistaken in their assessment. Pretending that's not the case isn't going to save you from the inevitable and well-deserved lawsuit your dept will be getting, it just makes you look out-of-touch.

Thirdly, what were your deputies doing anyway? Rushing to get to the next noise complaint? This is Santa Barbara, not Detroit - take the time to get a search warrant when there's a credible threat.

The police, parents, psychiatrists were all in the wrong not to have him committed. It was most likely a preventable tragedy. Shame on all of the professionals involved who don't fully accept accountability and make immediate changes to their procedures.

CommonSenseIsGood (anonymous profile)
May 25, 2014 at 11:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This kind of violence no longer shocks me. At 518 Garden Street in Santa Barbara, there is a silent violence that occurs weekly, no body bags are ever taken out. The individual shoots a needle into a heart to ensure demise and then with cutting tools literally rips, tears and yanks apart the body. What motivates a person to do such a thing? Simply, it's very lucrative and a denial of the Creator who created this life. I hope that the media focuses on the atrocities that occur at such places like 518 Garden Street and the reality of the corpses that will never have a decent burial, but rather be treated like common waste. May the eyes of America be open to this violent tragedy that is the basis for the lack of respect for all life.

FreedomForAll (anonymous profile)
May 26, 2014 at 5:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A correction to my previous post. I apologize. This location at 518 Garden does not put a needle through the heart to ensure demise, however, they do refer places where people can go to have this done. They even have bouncers to ensure that those entering can have this violence performed on them and to keep them away from those who are trying to reach out to avoid the weekly tragedies. The love of money is the bottom line factor of why a human being would want to go into this kind of work. However, the respect for all life is again gaining ground around the country and more and more of these places are closing their doors.

FreedomForAll (anonymous profile)
May 26, 2014 at 6:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bill Clausen, plenty of the thugs in Chicago have guns, so owning a gun there won't necessarily protect you and may result in you getting into a running gun battle, the outcome of which would be very uncertain and most assuredly deadly for some or all participants. Gun laws in Chicago don't work because gun laws in places like Indiana are so loose. I don't hold out a lot of hope for us changing the gun culture in this Country. There are just too many enamored by the fetish of the power of the gun. Guns do not protect you from armed assailants they only protect you from unarmed assailants from which you need no protection. Bullets are not shields and the bullets from your gun will not shield you from the bullets pouring forth from the gun of your opponent. People think that their assault rifles will protect them from the government, but if the government wants to kill you it could just send in the SEALS or a drone and your measly little pop gun would not save you. People are illogical about the protection that guns provide. Guns do not protect people. Guns kill people. Until a majority of the citizens of this Country understand that fact, we are doomed to experience the slaughter of innocent people again and again and again like a nightmare from which you can neither escape nor awake. Stupid Americans.

Eckermann (anonymous profile)
May 26, 2014 at 7:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I can imagine that the parents are grieving in many ways that aren't typical when losing a child and that they can't talk about it yet, which is why there has not been a public apology. Besides, what can they say that will give anyone comfort? Nothing! If your child did something like this, how would you react? I wouldn't be able to breathe, it would be hard for me to live knowing the child that I raised did such horrible things. There have been interviews with family of the parents who have said that they are devastated and broken, which I'm sure that they are. They should never have sent him here and they are probably wishing that they could have changed things but it's not possible. Nothing that they say today is going to change that. They also still have 2 other children to comfort and whose lives are severely and probably forever impacted by what happened. One of them, his little brother Jazz, was on his list to die.

santabarbarasand (anonymous profile)
May 26, 2014 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The majority of individuals with mental and emotional issues all suffered extreme emotional or phyiscall abuse early on their childhoods. The rich do a much better job at hiding the one member of their family who is the loudest alarm bell sounding off the socially unacceptable and unhealthy dynamic in their household . A new (always expensive) car, apartment and trust fund is always the bandage applied on a huge wound that will never heal without true insight, determination and proper care.
These parents know their child is a walking, driving time bomb that they have let loose into the world. What type of relationship does a young boy have with his mother and father's dynamic to eventually feel that all females on the planet need to be massacred? The answer is not complicated.

VioletFlame (anonymous profile)
May 26, 2014 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

California has some of the toughest and most restrictive gun laws in the country and also is among states with the highest rate of gun crimes (FBI Crime Statistics). Go figure.

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
May 26, 2014 at 9:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Not according to the Brady Campaign, John Locke.

page 3 of

Not saying I know what to do either. But California is bordered by 3 states with very lax gun laws.

sevendolphins (anonymous profile)
May 26, 2014 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)


Did you stop to consider that if the killer's mother had aborted him, we'd have six young people still alive today? Just an observation.
BTW kinda slimy posting the address, are you trying to intimidate PP?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 26, 2014 at 10:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ever think the oral contraceptives circulating in his mother system in manifestation of her unilateral "right to choose" might have altered his fetal brain chemistry?

foofighter (anonymous profile)
May 26, 2014 at 10:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)


Really, you know that his mother had these (obviously ineffective) chemicals circulating in her system? Which particular oral contraceptives did she use? Which particular chemical did those contraceptives contain? How do they get through the placenta barrier? What other chemicals were circulating and what damage might they cause?

You have no idea do you?

whitecrow (anonymous profile)
May 26, 2014 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

see, whitecrow, foo really has no ideas about anything, he just cuts and pastes all day and all night. @Freedomforall, macabre try to derail this thread which is about the perp Rodger, not about your hangups over abortion.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
May 26, 2014 at 3:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's a prime example of the Libtard political progressive and socially liberal cesspool Elliot Rodger was drowning in. (( )).

SBLifer (anonymous profile)
May 26, 2014 at 4:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Strange that a UK group recently did a documentary on Thor Christiansen, the wretched murderer of Isla Vista women from 1976-1977:

snugspout (anonymous profile)
May 26, 2014 at 4:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Like I said, the Independent's comment board is crazy. Yes, Dear DrDan, I can take it. I may choose not to, but I can. Thanks for calling out Freedomforall, though. I used to work there, during the active bombing times.

geraldbostock (anonymous profile)
May 26, 2014 at 4:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"The majority of individuals with mental and emotional issues all..."

have biochemical and other as yet unknown neurological issues. I have no proof for that either. But most don't murder.

geraldbostock (anonymous profile)
May 26, 2014 at 4:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why didn't the SBSO ever check to see if this whack job kid had purchased guns, considering they were there on a mental health check?

I'd think that would happen as routine prior to any visit of that nature.

Time for change, SBSO!

No more death at the hands of the mentally ill.

Barron (anonymous profile)
May 26, 2014 at 6:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The problem Barron is that in the good old USA the mentally ill are allowed to purchase and own firearms. The police authorities are not allowed to know who is mentally ill because of HIPPA privacy regulations that prevent medical professionals from revealing facts about their patients. The problem is not the Sheriff, the problem is the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, which needs to be repealed, but won't be. Until we wake up push back on the NRA idiots, we will continue to endure the death of our children at the hands of violent sociopaths.

Eckermann (anonymous profile)
May 26, 2014 at 7:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

@Eckermann: agree "The problem is not the Sheriff, the problem is the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of the United States"!

DrDan (anonymous profile)
May 26, 2014 at 7:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The sheriff deputies also need to ask themselves why:

1) They didn't check the licensing database to see if he had recently purchased guns

2) Why he was never arrested for trying to shove women off of a ledge at a bar a year earlier. An arrest then = no ability to legally access guns later

Sloppy police work like this - especially in a sleepy town like SB - is an embarrassment to police everywhere, especially the good ones doing their jobs well. Shape up SB Sheriff's Department!


CommonSenseIsGood (anonymous profile)
May 26, 2014 at 8:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Eckermann: Do you support banning alcohol again, as well as the continuing war against drugs?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
May 26, 2014 at 8:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No Bill Clausen, I believe that alcohol and most recreational drugs should be legal. The harm they cause is mostly on the user. If the only violence that the 2nd Amendment caused was suicide, I would not care. I know that alcohol and drugs can harm people other than the users (e.g., drunk drivers) but drunk driving is illegal. Being a mentally disturbed person with a gun is not illegal. I have been thinking about your story concerning your relative that pulled a gun on the thugs that approached him in Chicago when his car was disabled, and I have two stories in response. The first happened to a colleague of my brother's and the second to a neighbor two houses down the street when I lived in Oklahoma. Story #1: An off-duty peace officer is in a fast food restaurant and intercedes in an armed robbery. He kills the robber. The robber kills a 5 year-old girl who was standing behind the off-duty officer. The off-duty officer is tortured for the rest of his life by the death of that little girl. Story #2: A man hears a prowler in his garage late at night. He retrieves his gun and flings open the garage door and shoots in the direction of the sound, severely wounding, but not killing his eight year old son who had gone to out the garage that night in search of a toy. Guns harm and kill people. That is what they are designed to do. There is no reason why the community of citizens should not be able to collectively regulate their purchase, ownership, and use. The 2nd Amendment prevents us from doing so. Therefore, I condone the repeal of the 2nd Amendment.

Eckermann (anonymous profile)
May 26, 2014 at 9:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If banning drugs doesn't stop people from obtaining them,and banning alcohol doesn't stop people from obtaining alcohol, why do you think banning guns will stop people from obtaining guns?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
May 26, 2014 at 9:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I got no problem with Libtards preferring to be totally unprepared and defenseless when violent criminals with weapons come at em.

But, why in the name of Elliot Rodgers do all the Libtards think that the rest of us should go through life with blindfolds on and our dicks hanging out?

SBLifer (anonymous profile)
May 26, 2014 at 10:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As an observer of human psychology I take an interest in SBLifer's comment as it correlates from phallic inference to the image of one blindfolded, hands tied behind their back, with a cigarette hanging out their mouth, ready to be shot by a firing squad.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
May 27, 2014 at 3:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I spent 7 of my happiest years in IV and Santa Barbara and still think back fondly on those times whenever I'm stressed out from the city rat race. My heart goes out to everyone there who is struggling with this tragedy marring your peaceful community.

redsongia (anonymous profile)
May 27, 2014 at 6:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bill Clausen, if you read my posts carefully, you will notice that I did not say anything about "banning" guns. Currently, the 2nd Amendment prohibits the community from enacting laws that might be interpreted as restricting the right to bare arms. This prohibition limits the ability of the community to regulate the manufacture, sale, purchase, and ownership of firearms in an effective manner. You are correct that there will always be criminals and scofflaws who might attempt to circumvent the laws, but by controlling the entire production to purchase pipeline for firearms we would reduce the number of guns and significantly reduce the number of firearms owned by mentally unstable people. For the sake of public safety we have accepted all types of rules and regulations on our behavior. For the sake of public safety, the majority of the community should be able to enact laws that regulate the manufacture, sale, purchase, and ownership of guns.

Eckermann (anonymous profile)
May 27, 2014 at 8:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

absolutely agree Eckermann, esp. with "significantly reduce the number of firearms owned by mentally unstable people" -- this is reasonable, no one is suggesting "banning" guns, we have the 2 Am. to make sure that doesn't happen. The issue is how we and the courts interpret that Amendment.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
May 27, 2014 at 8:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Excellant idea Eckermann. We need to protect ourselves from the NRA and their republican backers who continue to support the right for mentally unstable people to purchase guns. And I'll bet money this kid grew up playing violent video games. American culture has become mentally impaired.

Georgy (anonymous profile)
May 27, 2014 at 3:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You need to protect yourself from the ACLU who lets this sort of thing happen. And from those who scream police brutality when cops do their jobs.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
May 27, 2014 at 3:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

lovin' it , foo, now it's the ACLU's fault...a moronic comment

DrDan (anonymous profile)
May 27, 2014 at 4:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The ACLU sued to end the involuntary civil commitment of patents to a mental health institutions.

From that came the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act to protect mentally people from be committed against their will.

It's intent is.

To end the inappropriate, indefinite, and involuntary commitment of mentally disordered persons, people with developmental disabilities, and persons impaired by chronic alcoholism, and to eliminate legal disabilities;

To provide prompt evaluation and treatment of persons with serious mental disorders or impaired by chronic alcoholism;

To guarantee and protect public safety;

To safeguard individual rights through judicial review;

To provide individualized treatment, supervision, and placement services by a conservatorship program for gravely disabled persons;

To encourage the full use of all existing agencies, professional personnel and public funds to accomplish these objectives and to prevent duplication of services and unnecessary expenditures;

To protect mentally disordered persons and developmentally disabled persons from criminal acts.

foofighter (anonymous profile)
May 27, 2014 at 4:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Emily wrote:
"Why not run a photo of the THOUSANDS of people who marched in Isla Vista against this senseless tragedy?

Why not run information on what we SB Citizens can do to END GUN VIOLENCE?"

Yes indeed! Do a story on the time 16 years ago when a citizen served a civil subpoena on the sheriffs dept. and they failed to appear.

A subpoena for records that could be used to compel psychology and psychiatry to develop treatment direct to the unconscious animal mind which is capable of such violence among many other things.

Or how the state superior court violated due process and the law over and over in a citizens legal actions directed at stopping such violence, in order to stop such treatment from being developed .

Or a story about the 100 plus public comments a citizen made pleading to the board of supervisors to intervene, warning of such violence.

Or a story about the mental health departments effort to provide competent treatment that could address the unconscious animal mind when a citizen met with them with a proposal for such treatment.

Or the federal civil lawsuit who Hildy Medina of the news press was given a copy, to be then fired, gagged and followed by about 15 other reporters and editors by firing and resigning. Gee, you even got a letter in '06 about that. That might be a hard story yo do, but citizens will appreciate the truth about efforts to prevent such horrible violence.

Are we ever going to have a paper that shares difficult truths which protects lives?

Christophera (anonymous profile)
May 27, 2014 at 10:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It is hard to imagine how Rodger could have stabbed to death three college age males - did each wait his turn?

dewdly (anonymous profile)
May 28, 2014 at 2:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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