A 1/2 cent Tax for a New Jail…

Hurry up and build it; current jails crowded and it's mostly paid for 28% 75 votes
No way -- too costly and too much unnecessary incarceration already 47% 125 votes
Wrong time; but we still need it. 21% 56 votes
I'm spelling it out in the comments 2% 7 votes
263 total votes


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The prison industry needs to stop running this state.

EZK (anonymous profile)
June 24, 2010 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Make it a bond issue... borrowing rates are low and making the tax depend on property value is less regressive. Although I'd make it depend on market value of property if there was a way to do that, not assessed value.

sevendolphins (anonymous profile)
June 24, 2010 at 6:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"The prison industry needs to stop running this state."

Would you still be saying that if the person that harms your family was released early because of over crowding? Ask Chelsea King's family about that EZK.

InTheKnow (anonymous profile)
June 24, 2010 at 10:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

An illogical argument, InTheKnow; the fallacy you use is called "appeal to consequences," an attempt to confuse the truth of a premise based on whether or not an undesirable consequence befalls a particular party.

Three strikes, victimless crime enforcement, puritanical, Nanny-state laws and a losing war on drugs props up the prison culture of our modern age, making Americans the most jailed people in the world -- with no corresponding increase in safety or relief from violent crime.

So yeah, the prison industry DOES need to stop running this state (and a whole lot more needs to happen along with that).

binky (anonymous profile)
June 24, 2010 at 11:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I cannot support this new TAX.

1. Too much public money was wasted in the last four years to warrant picking the taxpayer pockets for more public money.
2. The DA has been caught lying about their case load and therefore crime statistics are being inflated so I don't believe we need more jail beds.
3. If the deputy DA and the deputy Sheriff unions agree to concessions in reducing their highly lucrative retirment and benefits perks and apply that difference to offsetting the cost of a new jail; then there might be more support among the public for a new jail.

However overall given these times, any new TAX proposal will be soundly defeated. The People simply won't stand for more wasteful spending.

detokevilla (anonymous profile)
June 25, 2010 at 11:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Another pot dispensary was raided today. How much are these raids costing? How about the cops stop wasting their time enforcing archaic drug laws, allocate drug enforcement money to their precious prisons and preventing kids on the lower east and west sides from stabbing each other. No thanks on this tax, my wallet is trapped enough.

When the PD and sheriff departments start getting their priorities straight then maybe I'll consider supporting something like this.

Num1UofAn (anonymous profile)
June 25, 2010 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dudley wants her tall tales about firing Lynn to disappear from the media.

So it is not surprising we are seeing this type of foolishness.

I think the dark cloud of dishonesty hanging over Dudley's refusal to tell the public the truth of her role in ordering the firing of Lynn is hurting the credibility of all the good law enforcement people in the County.

And I predict when push comes to shove, the DA will not prosecute any of these people. It is all part of an effort to blind the media so that Dudley and her hand-picked inner staff have time to work on Dudley's next novel.

detokevilla (anonymous profile)
June 25, 2010 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"How much are these raids costing?" you ask, Num1UofAn...


Because 'they' spent $56 on Joyce Dudley's Coronation as the new-premier-acting-most-glorious-on-high Attorney of Our District!

You know how I know? I've got an Insider. You know who it is?.....

Joyce Dudley!!!!

She tells me what to do! That's right!! Her hand is up my back right now, making me type these words on a County-Sanctioned-Expensively Paid For Computer!!! My goodness, we are just bathing in the wonderful extravagance and waste of it all!!

And guess what? I'm in her next novel -- oh, the honor!!!

She's gonna tell you what to say pretty soon too, Num1UofAn, when we -- the Demoncratic Machine of Santa Barbara -- successfully take over the Internet.

Don't worry, it won't hurt a bit.

Chester_Arthur_Burnett (anonymous profile)
June 25, 2010 at 4:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Chester, funny, but a bit off topic for this poll...

Num1UofAn (anonymous profile)
June 26, 2010 at 9:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The issue will be repackaged as a sales tax for a variety of police and fire expenses, especially for ongoing operations. The jail will be one of several items to be paid for in that package of crime and fire suppression.

Still, a bond is a more typical funding method, although County money to pay back the bond still has to come from somewhere when the County budget has no money for that already. No doubt the sales tax revenue to the County will be the revenue stream to pay the bond to build and operate the new jail.

The scary issue will be the analysis of how low sales tax revenue already is in the Recessed economy.

David_Pritchett (David Pritchett)
June 26, 2010 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

An incredible waste of effort and money. It is just not worth it. We won't get any safer communities. We will have a much larger operational budget with it. It's time to end the law-enforcement/corrections cabal.

cscott (anonymous profile)
June 26, 2010 at 9:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is the last thing we need.
Brown is an idiot. If the piglets weren't so busy chasing marijuana smokers up and down the street, they wouldn't need the jail.

We incarcerate more people than any other country in the world!!!!! More than russia, china.....more than anyone.

We need to put Brown in prison.....he is worse than 90 percent of the present inmates.

rstein9 (anonymous profile)
June 28, 2010 at 5:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Cut the county staff that does next to nothing and retires at 55. Pretty damn simple if the SEIU didn't have their boot on our county's fiscal throat.

jukin (anonymous profile)
June 28, 2010 at 1:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Build jails using razorwire and tents. On the other hand, marijuana and all other drugs, like alcohol, could be legalized and taxed and money saved could be used for public service, instead of detainment. Politicians shake in fear if they talk of breaking up the lawyers and enforcement folks Drug War club.

The police, fire, and civil service retirement is not too much (and all citizens should be part of a managed investment large retirement system) as this whole economic disaster came from the deregulation of Wall Street, who has been bailed out with Trillion$...why not bail out the rest of us as we skirt hyperinflation? Better start planting food crops in the backyard, as I cannot see the sociopaths in charge changing.

sbindyreader (anonymous profile)
June 28, 2010 at 7:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

A sales tax hike would be terribly regressive; a better option would be an ad valorem benefit assessment on all real property, cities included. But let's face it, with the two-thirds hurdle, it's not likely that anything will pass.

GregMohr (anonymous profile)
July 9, 2010 at 8:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Another jail is not needed. Not here. Not anywhere else in California.

Sorry, Sheriff, but most of us are unwilling to take your word about how best to allocate our tax dollars at a time when so much money is spent on keeping people behind bars and far too little is spent on providing adequate educational opportunities for our young people.

I think that the campaign that the Sheriff says he is looking forward to will provide an excellent opportunity to explore this wasteful imbalance.

It will be interesting to see who pours money into the Sheriff's effort to try to persuade 67% of us to vote against our own best interests.

I am not a betting man, but I think that the tax measure will fail to gain a simple majority. Perhaps not even 40%.

marcmcginnes (anonymous profile)
July 9, 2010 at 9 a.m. (Suggest removal)

lol, InTheKnow has the most ironic monicker here next to myself.. they seem to think that half the criminals in prison committed a crime against somebody else, when in fact half the people are in prison for committing non-crimes.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
July 10, 2010 at 9:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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