Congress passing healthcare overhaul?

The change we voted for. 38% 103 votes
It's socialism and that's evil. 22% 60 votes
Watered down reform. 39% 105 votes
268 total votes


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President Obama has crossed the Rubicon with the health care vote. The bill was not really about medicine; after all, a moderately priced, relatively small federal program could offer the poorer not now insured, presently not on Medicare or state programs like Medicaid or Medical, a basic medical plan.

We have no interest in stopping trial lawyers from milking the system for billions. And we don’t want to address in any meaningful way the individual’s responsibility in some cases (drink, drugs, violence, dangerous sex, bad diet, sloth, etc.) for costly and chronic health procedures…

maximum (anonymous profile)
March 23, 2010 at 7:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"While Obama vowed to address physicians’ malpractice worries in a speech yesterday, annual jury awards and legal settlements involving doctors amounts to “a drop in the bucket” in a country that spends $2.3 trillion annually on health care, said Amitabh Chandra, a Harvard University economist. Chandra estimated the cost at $12 per person in the U.S., or about $3.6 billion, in a 2005 study. Insurer WellPoint Inc. said last month that liability wasn’t driving premiums. "

Please note: WELLPOINT said that LIABILITY WASN'T DRIVING PREMIUMS - they should know.

tabatha (anonymous profile)
March 24, 2010 at 2:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"The gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994. Barack Obama badly wanted Republican votes for his plan." by David Frum - speechwriter for Bush.

"The truth is this is a Republican idea," said Linda Quick, president of the South Florida Hospital and Healthcare Association. She said she first heard the concept of the "individual mandate" in a Miami speech in the early 1990s by Sen. John McCain, a conservative Republican from Arizona, to counter the "Hillarycare" the Clintons were proposing.

"Obamacare" for all of those who have been brainwashed by lies, is a watered down version of plans proposed by Republicans Howard Baker, Bob Dole and Mitt Romney. I never heard any of them called a socialist. And I never heard the hysterical, immature gnashing of teeth following the passage of this Republican-lite bill for any of the expensive unpaid-for Republican bills, such as Medicare Part D, tax cuts for the rich, and the very unnecessary Iraq war that even Republicans now admit was a mistake.

tabatha (anonymous profile)
March 24, 2010 at 3:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The GOP is proving definitively that it is nothing more than a bunch of scummy paid-off corporate hacks and that their followers (20%, maybe 30% of the general public) are too dim witted to understand that all elected representatives, the military and most seniors are already the beneficiaries of "socialized", government-run health care. The stupidity of millions of Americans is truly breathtaking.

emptynewsroom (anonymous profile)
March 26, 2010 at 7:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

emptynewsroom, I could not agree with you more. If ignorance is bliss then these people are in nirvana! I would like to have just one person who thinks that health care reform is bad explain to me coherently and with no foaming at the mouth, how doing NOTHING is the way to go, JUST ONE! Any takers out there? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

chuckUfarley (anonymous profile)
March 26, 2010 at 9:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Ignorance breeds monsters to fill up the vacancies of the soul that are unoccupied by the verities of knowledge" - Horace Mann

Amen brother!

chuckUfarley (anonymous profile)
March 26, 2010 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The bills have passed, and HCR is the Law of the Land.

In reading Maximum's posts over the course of HCR debate, perhaps a little introspection on his/her part may be in order.

Such introspection would perhaps show that instead of the incoherent screaming and threatening dialog on display over the last year by so many, the time could have been used for more respectful debate and an honest exchange of ideas. Perhaps in time, last summer will be seen as an opportunity lost.

In the end, what we got in HCR is, in my view, a fairly moderate set of reforms that look a bit like the Heritage Foundation's proposals in the early-to-mid 90s. Gosh how radical. Regardless of its ideological underpinnings and its compromises, at this point it feels like a good start.

Who knows, maybe in the future all sides can even cooperate on other things and issues. That is what I'm hoping for.

GoletaEngineer (anonymous profile)
March 27, 2010 at 11:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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