Taxing downtown bars and restaurants more to defray law enforcement costs

is only fair 40% 77 votes
is unfair to orderly establishments 35% 67 votes
could put my favorite places out of business; they're barely hanging on 21% 41 votes
will cause downtown landlords to reduce rents 2% 4 votes
189 total votes


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Bars create crime. What more can be said?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
April 13, 2012 at 1:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So do baseball bats. Better start taxing baseball players more while your at it too!!!!!! Its never about the peaple that are born to cause problems in the first place.

SBCborn (anonymous profile)
April 13, 2012 at 9:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

SBCborn: Talk to some of the residents who live down there as well as the Santa Barbara Police Department and get back to me.

By the way, I think the question wasn't posed correctly because it lumps in restaurants with bars.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
April 13, 2012 at 2:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just another excuse to increase taxes. Fix the pensions, then add police officers (ethical ones).

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
April 14, 2012 at 8:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Totally unfair to the majority of responsible, well run establishments. Tax and penalize the offenders, i.e., if you get drunk and cause a commotion, you should get a fine large enough to cover the officer's time and discourage you from recidivism.
If your establishment routinely keeps serving to already drunken patrons, your license should be suspended. Isn't that the law anyway?
Fixing the pensions mess, I'll drink to that!

blackpoodles (anonymous profile)
April 15, 2012 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bill, that's why the proposal is unfair, it would tax restaurants for a problem that is largely confined to bars.

blackpoodles (anonymous profile)
April 15, 2012 at 8:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The city and the county and our community business organizations do ZERO economic development, unlike San Luis Obispo, City of Santa Maria, Ventura city and county, so therefore we need higher taxes. Instead, we could attract more employers with high paying jobs, but apparently that is out of reach for the custodians of Disneyland-By-The-Sea.

emptynewsroom (anonymous profile)
April 16, 2012 at 11:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

They could probably focus the measure a bit better but the people who create the mess need to clean it up. I can think of much better uses for my tax dollars than paying SBPD to manage college-age drunks on State St.

What does SBPD pay in overtime for this?

tlacuache (anonymous profile)
April 16, 2012 at 1:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Emptynewsroom and Bill Clausen are both correct. What IS on State Street for local people who's goal isn't inebriation? Not much. And how many of the businesses on State are locally owned anymore?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
April 16, 2012 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'd actually prefer less funding for law enforcement, too bad there isn't an option for that.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
April 16, 2012 at 6 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's documented that City of Santa Barbara already budgets over $100 Million annually for the police department.. representing less than 150 officer staff, that patrol less than 3 square miles; and doesn't assign the, "man power" beyond seatbelt tickets downtown or right turn flickers on Shoreline - that could otherwise apprehend known meth freaks or recover stolen smartphones.

The squandering of city funds in the name of "law enforcement" and "public safety" is an ancient method that bilks the taxpayer, and fiscally leverages the public pensioner as, 'the guy with the gun' over citizen peers within private sector market.

And, bad for business. Typically, economic hardship is the number one cause of crime ... and the commercial vitality around here is already depleted. Too many commercial vacancies exist as it is. What more is there to patrol: squatting, as opposed to shoplifting?

Meanwhile, crime is running rampant in the City Administrator's office - most recently illustrated by the indictment made against personnel for embezzlement.

Funny to consider who the injured party is, and to what degree.. especially since the City doesn't seem to know what exactly to do with their millions of dollars of surplus.. otherwise proposed for, "emergency services."

SantaNa (anonymous profile)
April 17, 2012 at 7:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ah, the fine art of equitable taxation!

We all know that drunks from a restaurant would never drive or cause trouble. And just what is the practical difference between a "bar" and a "restaurant"?

John_Adams (anonymous profile)
April 17, 2012 at 8:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

2 people think that landlords will reduce rents? What planet are these 2 from?

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
April 17, 2012 at 8:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Some quick calculations based on SantaNa's figures of $100 million for 150 officers breaks down to surprising if cryptic sum of $666,666. and 66 cents per officer...

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
April 17, 2012 at 10:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The government is no different from the mafia. This is just another shake down. These bars and restaurants already pay taxes, not to mention they employ a lot of people.

Government can't solve the problem. It is the problem.

Lars (anonymous profile)
April 18, 2012 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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