The More Mesa development proposal

is a savvy suggestion to preserve most of the open space 41% 53 votes
is bad because all development is bad 25% 33 votes
is a good starting point for negotiation, but needs work 33% 43 votes
129 total votes


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I've seen the map. Let them build a few more mansions, then make them donate the rest of the land to the PEOPLE (not some fabricated institution like "the city" or "the county" or "the state").

loonpt (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2012 at 5:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The question in manipulative. It throws in the pork of "all development is bad". I don't feel all developlment is bad, but I'm opposed to it in this case.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 13, 2012 at 6:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ummm... this is *private property*, remember?

And I love that "all development is bad" is polling double digits - it just shows how hypocritical, unthoughtful and moronic people will expose themselves to be just so they can feel better about themselves.

willy88 (anonymous profile)
July 14, 2012 at 8:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Zoning: look into it.

John_Adams (anonymous profile)
July 15, 2012 at 5:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"is a good starting point for negotiation, but needs work", is the way I see it and I agree with 'willy88', though More Mesa is dear to me but open space is hard to retain in a Contractor World. Unless the owners donate (at loss) the Property to the State or County, they are legally allowed to sell, develop or divide the Property as they see fit. Sad but true!

dou4now (anonymous profile)
July 17, 2012 at 8:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry, but "private property" doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with it. The state has many legitimate, competing interests in private property, including the preservation of valuable, finite resources, such as public space - especially along a coastline.

banjo (anonymous profile)
July 17, 2012 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This property is in the Coastal Zone, and due to its location in the "appeals jurisdiction" of the Coastal Zone, any project approved by the County may be appealed to the California Coastal Commission. The Coastal Commission will be highly involved in seeing that statewide coastal interests, such as preservation of open space and habitats, are protected. But, the courts have also said that the County and state must allow a reasonable use of the property in line with the owner's investment backed expectations, or else they get to buy the property.

discoboy (anonymous profile)
July 17, 2012 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah -- what discoboy said. But I believe the owner's investment expectations are only one factor that a court, or the Coastal Commission, considers in determining reasonable use.

banjo (anonymous profile)
July 17, 2012 at 6:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I like the old idea of establishing urban limit lines and allowing the transfer of development rights where the community plans, needs and wants growth. The idea needs to be refined and put into ordinance. Still this property owner is in the United States of America and has some rights to use this property. The offer seems very generous understanding of course that as with all development there are impacts.

DonMcDermott (anonymous profile)
July 17, 2012 at 9:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes the survey is skewed with the "all development is bad" and other poor choices. In this case the western portion is really bad in all cases to that hood. Get rid of that portion and you have a good starting point. Save More mesa can raise much more than 10 million to comp the owner. The hope ranch people in the view shed will likely want to donate and they have resources to boot. This is not poor Ellwood Mesa this is prime property and I think will get many donations large and small if the deal pleases the neighbors.

Dont_mess_with_Goleta (anonymous profile)
July 17, 2012 at 10:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You're correct Dont_Mess. My experience is that the Hope Ranch horse people are supportive of keeping the space open. Some of them used to come to the meetings back in the '80's and they were all for keeping it as open space.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 18, 2012 at 2:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Poorly done polls do not reflect well on the Independent. Who wrote this?

bcaron (anonymous profile)
July 19, 2012 at 9:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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