secret government experiments with weather control, administration of drugs, or aerosol weapons. 43% 45 votes
a popular delusion. 56% 58 votes
103 total votes


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John_Adams (anonymous profile)
April 18, 2013 at 7:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well several governments including the U.S. government, the UK government and the German government have all admitted in the past to covertly spraying aerosol chemicals disbursements from military aircraft over populations for various reasons, so it isn't a "popular delusion" unless you like to deny the facts of the matter. I guess 62% of Indy readers don't mind denying the facts of the matter.

The question of whether the U.S. government is currently, covertly spraying our skies, with what chemicals and for what reasons is certainly up for debate.

Some people say they are spraying for weather manipulation purposes, or to combat global warming. Others believe it is to lull the population into a sense of complacency, similar to fluoridating the majority of the US water supply with sodium fluoride (rat poison) and others as opposed to fluoride that is naturally occuring in spring water (sodium fluoride is an industrial waste byproduct).

I remember during the Jesusita fire that started on May 9, 2009, the day before the fire the skies just to our north were GRIDDED with chemtrails, or contrails, or whatever they actually were. The next day the temperatures were over 100 degrees in Santa Barbara.. I recorded a time when it was 100 in Goleta, 92 in SB, 92 in Carp and 75 degrees in Ventura and 61 in Lompoc/Vandenberg!! I heard a similar phenomenon happened back during the early history of the city of SB, I don't know if that was a local phenomenon or if it affected the entire area. Could have been that, but I would not discount the government screwing with our atmosphere. In fact, there were even political motivations, as Prop 1A and 1B were coming up for vote and the Governor himself was using the Santa Barbara wildfires as an excuse to why people in California needed to vote for Prop 1A and 1B tax increases.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
April 18, 2013 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, it jumped from 62% of Indy respondents to 69% even after the correct information was presented to them.

Very disappointing.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
April 18, 2013 at 11:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't you think it's kind of arrogant to to criticize people for not swallowing as truth the postings of an anonymous internet blogger?
"The Great LoonPoint has spoken". C'mon! Count another vote for popular delusion, and maybe you should have a cup of coffee.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
April 18, 2013 at 12:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Maybe you should re-read my post, Ken. The U.S. Government, the UK Government and the German Government have all ADMITTED to covert aerial spraying operations over populations in the past. That is a fact that cannot be denied. Therefore, logically, that means it does in fact exist, period. It isn't merely a delusion. If you voted the incorrect way, you were simply wrong.

Whether it is currently going on may be speculation, and I admitted that and carried that attitude throughout my post. Whether you tend to believe that it is happening (like myself) or whether you tend to believe it isn't happening is completely independent of whether you agree with the facts that I presented in my posting.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
April 18, 2013 at 12:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ken and loonpt need to get a rooom! Hahaha!

sacjon (anonymous profile)
April 18, 2013 at 2:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)


Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
April 18, 2013 at 3:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How dare you call our government liars? They would NEVER do that, and all they want is to care for us. Our Savior Obama is calling us unto his bosom.

AZ2SB (anonymous profile)
April 19, 2013 at 11:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, there is active silver iodide distribution during certain times of the year over the backcountry for cloud seeding so that could be an option as well.

Num1UofAn (anonymous profile)
April 19, 2013 at 4:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It could just be water vapor.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
April 19, 2013 at 4:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Google "Global Warming and Ice Ages Physics Based Modulation for Global Change, Seminar On Planetary Emergencies, Sicily, 1997" this is Dr Teller's (Department of Energy Lawrence Livermore) solution to allow the use of fossil fuels for the next 50 years. If you read the paper it talks of using "Scatterants" to reflect 1% of the incoming sunlight. Dr Ken Caldera the man who ran the computer models for DOE stated it would not work and the public will rebel when the skies turn white. Well guess what "Nobody cares" and no one notices the planes flying over that are spewing the Chemtrails, fly out of Edwards Air Force Base. But not to worry 55%, go back to sleep, sheeple!

contactjohn (anonymous profile)
April 20, 2013 at 9:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Far to bias with the options... There's was an article last year in your rag about cloud seeding. (I remember the government paid person handling the "experiments" stating you couldn't see chemtrails because it would be raining....) The reporter never asked him to elaborate on the aresol techniques, This cloud seeding, invasive plant/erosion control, and the fire retardent has led to an increase in algae... Just think of the bird sanctuary!
Ask yourself why haven't we done some controlled experiments of our own. Say two ecospheres, one natural, one laden with aluminum oxide, moldy green hay mulch herbicide and fire retardant....,

BBOY (anonymous profile)
April 21, 2013 at 5:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Chem Trails are weather control? Not according to most cracked-pots, those giant radar dishes and whales swimming backwards are clear examples of weather control!

dou4now (anonymous profile)
April 22, 2013 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I understand that many people are afraid to believe that our own Government and the USAF would be involved in something that would harm the fellow US citizens. To you people I say put your big boy pants on and look up with awareness. I have been looking at the sky with awareness for decades, and please allow me to share some info. In the late 1980's and the 1990's, I worked in film production on several westerns, Dance with Wolves and Wyatt Earp just to name 2. Since I was low man on the production totem pole, one of my jobs was to monitor the skies for contrails, because they obviously would not be part of a 19th century western sky. Contrails were never a problem and the camera never waited, but real contrails always dissipated in a few minutes. Fast forward to 1999- Suddenly plane exhaust became a totally different creature, chemtrails. The chemtrails did not disappear, quite the contrary, they stuck around and even expanded. Many many days I remember clearly in Los Angeles, the high desert, over the Sierras, and in NM, the spraying would turn a cloudless day into a sky covered in lingering chemtrails. In those days a Google search for the word, "chemtrails" would yield a few hundred hits. Today a Google search for the word "chemtrails" yields 4,850,000 hits. That means nearly 5 million websites are talking about the word. That's a lot of people talking about something that doesn't exist, don't you think? So many scientists have validated chemtrails that you should do your own research. People like Al Gore and Bill Gates have admitted that chemtrails exist, although those two are public figures, they are not trustworthy in my book. Those of you who laugh and scoff at the thought of chemtrails do not surprise me a bit, arrogance and ignorance seem to go hand in hand these days. Please do your own research. The US Government exterminated Native Americans by the millions, even the peaceful ones, but if you want to believe that the Government is not enforcing Agenda 21 and ongoing genocide of it's own people in dozens of ways from GMO foods, to plastics, to cosmetics, to vaccines, to evil US experiments like the Tuskegee experiment, and many others, to chemtrails, to just about everything that major pharmaceutical companies sell, well God bless you, enjoy Disneyland, because if you havn't figured out by now that the US Government doesn't give a hoot about you by now, you have lost the ability to look up, or even see what is right in front of your face and think critically.

Rinconer (anonymous profile)
April 22, 2013 at 7:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm offering tinfoil hats and breathing masks at a special price.

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
April 24, 2013 at 8:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

loonpt (anonymous profile)
April 26, 2013 at 3:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Four days ago we photographed over 75 of these trails. When the wonder that is the vapid office of hanna beth jackson was reached for comment in both locations the 12 yr old answering the phone was clueless. she told my partner off and made a lot of comments well over her pay grade. you cannot get the city counsel, the mayor or any of our "elected" officials to comment. why is that? because regardless of party it is all about taking big money for our air space. then it rains for three days. Same thing happened in May. SAD

zvara (anonymous profile)
November 23, 2013 at 2:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You should be grateful Zvara, at least you got a response. I tried three times to reach Jackson a number of years ago about her opposition to school vouchers (explaining how it *doesn't* violate church/state issues and suggesting that public schools give the taxpayers a padded bill) and despite two e-mail and a snail mail I never got a response.


billclausen (anonymous profile)
November 23, 2013 at 6:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If you can read this is it, Teller created it reflect 1% of the incoming sunlight to extend the use of fossil fuels for 50 years, the ones that are deluded are the sheep that believe the BS on TV.

contactjohn (anonymous profile)
November 23, 2013 at 11:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The US used silver iodide cloud seeding in Vietnam to create monsoons to impede Ho Chi Minh's troop movements. The US has recently used lithium officially to map the jet stream. Chemtrails are mentioned in Dennis Kuchinik's 2001 HR2977, NASA Future Strategic Issues, 7/2001 mentions chemtrails use, these are online as well as in the congressional record and many other military pubs. that say boorn and aluminum particles are dispersed for climate modification and to create a reflective layer for communications purposes. Many people around the world have collected and analyzed fibers collected when chemtrails are visible. Not something that can really be blown off. Maybe a poll "is smog real?" next time.

14noscams (anonymous profile)
December 26, 2013 at 6:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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