Who’s to blame for the shutdown?

Ayn Rand 2% 12 votes
Congressional Democrats 3% 13 votes
Congressional Republicans 31% 130 votes
Ed Meese 0% 2 votes
Harry Reid 2% 9 votes
Heritage Action for America 0% 1 vote
Koch Brothers 3% 15 votes
President Obama 18% 77 votes
Speaker Boehner 6% 25 votes
Tea Party Republicans 31% 128 votes
412 total votes


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Why wasn't there an "all of the above" choice?

AZ2SB (anonymous profile)
October 10, 2013 at 12:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Whoever it is I don't blame them, I'd rather give them an award.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
October 10, 2013 at 1:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Heritage Action's Michael Needham, enabled by the Koch Brothers and anonymous Dark Money, and Tea Partiers:

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
October 10, 2013 at 9:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let's hope that the next election cycle reflects the percentages shown above and that the Tea Party faction can be be vanquished from any kind of power.

geeber (anonymous profile)
October 11, 2013 at 3:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I blame part of it on AZ2SB, some of it on Ken_Volok, and the rest of it on Rio and The Bossa Nova.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
October 11, 2013 at 4:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Interesting that so few blame the ones refusing to negotiate - Barry and Harry.

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
October 11, 2013 at 9:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I thought we blamed everything on the homeless!

touristunfriendly (anonymous profile)
October 11, 2013 at 11:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I ordered and ate a meal in a restaurant that cost $15.89 then when the bill arrived I told the manager there that I want to negotiate a price of $9.55 or I would scream and flip over several full tables in the restaurant.

That restaurant is just unwilling to negotiate and is hurting America because of that.

John_Adams (anonymous profile)
October 11, 2013 at 3:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I blame Mick Romney because the affordable care act is based on his plan, a health care program in Mass.
Also I think we should be blaming other countries for all of our problems, the way they tempt us into all these never ending religious wars.

GluteousMaximus (anonymous profile)
October 11, 2013 at 5:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Agreed, we should always negotiate with those who kidnap and blackmail.

Congress has had 3-1/2 years and three full sessions to negotiate. But the Tea Baggers never could muster enough votes democratically to have it their way. Now they blame everyone else for not "negotiating".

These "patriots" are anything but. It's my way, or let the country be ruined. And they're happy to do it too.

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2013 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

agreed EB, and after the dust settles we will all see this self-immolation of the socalled GOP...note, [10/12/13 2:30 pm] that Tea Party + Congressional Republicans + Boehner + Koch Brothers = 70%. This about approximates national polls showing at least 75% of voters do blame the insane Republicans & libertarians who are dragging down the centrist Republicans among them.
The real issue is that older white Americans with money or some money, usually male [let's call them the Gray], fear desperately that those who get entitlements [the poor, the disabled, poor children, the sick without insurance, and thus often the "Brown" I say non-pejoratively] called the Brown are taking over. Our Botany would be a perfect example: just read his many boring posts full of fear. Romney spoke for these diminishing-in-numbers "Gray" when he made his stupid but clear comment about the lazy 47%.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
October 12, 2013 at 2:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

A musical tribute from Don "No Soul" Simmons. (David Alan Grier)

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
October 13, 2013 at 8:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Interesting that so few blame the ones refusing to negotiate - Barry and Harry." Right on dude!!!

Question to the other lemmings on here 1) how many of you have signed up for Obamanationcare 2) seen your cost go down 3) used Obamanationcare to get your heads examined?

Can't wait for the usual vitriol that escapes nearly all leftists mouths for stating facts......

Priceless (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2013 at 9:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So, because republicans want our nation to be fiscally responsible, they are to blame for everything? That is very interesting. Don't you pay your bills? Why shouldn't our nation pay it's bills? Just curious if you've really thought this out. Cutting spending and paying our debts should be our only focus as true loyal Americans and then everyone could live happily ever after. We are borrowing $1,000,000 a minute right now. How do you think that will turn out if it is not stopped by all Americans today? This shut down and the wrongfully placed blame for it will not have the negative effect that you predict it will. God bless America!

standingbear (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2013 at 9:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The left can't get re-elected if they don't give away the farm. It's all about getting re-elected by promising the moon then blame the right for taking away the broken promise they never had any intentions of fulfilling in the first place....

Priceless (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2013 at 10:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It is also funny how these leftist are blaming a group called, "The Tea Party" a group that has no power or standing in DC.....

I guess when you are losing the battle of lying to the American tax-payer who is finally starting to wake up you blame the countries fiscal policy on a minority group of individuals who didn't vote for any policy currently in place...

Priceless (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2013 at 10:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

71% still blame the Right and the Tea Party; see EB's comment above. The Tea Party has huge power in Washington, Priceless: in many Republican districts if you do not toe their extremist line you are in danger of being "primaried" -- an e.g. is how good moderate Republican Senator R. Lugar of Indiana lost IN THE REPUBLICAN PRMARY to a Tea Party Republican. Don't say they have no power in D.C., that's ridiculous.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2013 at 11:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

DrDan polls are great at reflecting the effectiveness of their propaganda campaigns... The question you have to ask yourself is are you buying into their propaganda campaign?

standingbear and Priceless' first comment right above here are spot on.

I would say the 'Tea Party' has some power in D.C.

I was a supporter of the Tea Party back when it meant limited government, civil liberties, end the overseas wars and end the Patriot Act. I don't support a lot of the people who are supposedly Tea Party members like Ted Cruz, though I may support specific actions. I do support Rand Paul even though he is cozying up with the establishment, he will stick the dagger in their back if he has to.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2013 at 4:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ha I begin to rethink Rand Paul just as he goes more mainstream; hey, to get elected he HAS to 'cozy up with the establishment' [I mean the 1%]. Yes, I have to scrutinize my thinking to tell if they've sucked me into "their" big lies campaigns... and we all know they almost all do it.
@standingbear, when you write "because republicans want our nation to be fiscally responsible, they are to blame for everything? That is very interesting. Don't you pay your bills? Why shouldn't our nation pay it's bills? Just curious if you've really thought this out. Cutting spending and paying our debts should be our only focus as true loyal Americans and then everyone could live happily ever after. " --- I see something there. But first we all have to pay for our collective PAST BILLS?! No, that is your "pay your bills" comment back at you. First take care of these past debts, then begin these suggestions you offer. We DID cut spending with the sequester, and cutting the military by 50% would be a good start, and hacking at corporate welfare and obscene subsidies to Big Agribusiness and the oil industry, and also work on limiting other areas of federal spending. Until this recovery gets much better, government still needs to keep priming the pump.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2013 at 4:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Propaganda, lies" the left are masters at propaganda and lying.They've done it decades. They say they are for the poor. Ahh earth to lib's the poor keep getting poorer. You've done nothing to help the poor but keep them poor with empty promises...

Funny how all of a sudden when the right uses the same play book as the left the left go nuts with name calling, insults, calls them racists, calls them terrorists, calls them hostage takers etc. etc. etc..

The "establishment" is the liberal media not covering the actions of DC with any journalistic pride or professionalism....

Priceless (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2013 at 4:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What do you call a French Tea Party ??

loonpt (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2013 at 5:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Of course now Harry Reid doesn't want a clean CR. He's out for blood and wants the sequester reversed too.

Botany (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2013 at 5:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If Boehner had brought a clean CR to a vote last Friday - it would have passed. There were enough Republicans that together with all Democrats would have passed it. But, the theory goes, Boehner was worried he would lose his job.

Steve Schmidt, campaign advisor to McCain, says that the T-party is destroying the Republicans.

Apparently, tonite, Reid and McConnell are close to an agreement for the Senate. But, it seems as though the House, having learned of some of the contents, are not happy. But neither is the Chamber of Commerce, Koch Brothers, and Wall Street - who will probably not fund the T-partiers in the future.

tabatha (anonymous profile)
October 14, 2013 at 10:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wall Street would have been a better choice to blame for me. I wish they would cough up some tax money to pay for their wars and gambling habits...say a 1% per nanosecond trade value?

sbindyreader (anonymous profile)
October 15, 2013 at 1:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Interesting Facebook post on the shutdown:

"Did anyone besides me wonder how they got all those signs distributed far and wide, including to all the national parks and cemeteries overseas only eight to ten hours after the government shut down? Take a look at this from someone who wanted to remain anonymous.

I have worked in the government on and off for 40 years. During that time I became quite familiar with requisitions, bidding, awarding contracts etc. It is a time consuming process with bean-counters and pencil-necked bureaucrats every step of the way. The simplest request takes months not days or hours.

In less than 8 hours of the shutdown, miraculously, professionally
printed 3X4 foot signs appeared all over the country in the tens of
thousands saying-“this [park, facility, etc. with custom logos] closed
due to government shutdown. There has not been a government shutdown in 17 years.

These signs were designed, specifications were determined, signs were then requisitioned, bids were posted and vetted, government contracts were awarded. The materials were then ordered and the signs manufactured then distributed U.S. Mails or .

This shutdown was orchestrated and planned well in advance at least 6-8 months ago. Millions of tax dollars were appropriated and spent in this process. There is a paper trail a mile long leading directly to the White House."

loonpt (anonymous profile)
October 15, 2013 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Do ya think that just maybe this has something to do with Nancy and the Dems shutting the Reps out of the Obamacare debate (which then caused the Dems to lose the House)?

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
October 15, 2013 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My 2cents is for a Conspiracy there must be more than a single person and thus all of the above is the best choice. Our Government is holding the Country Hostage, our Taxes, our Debt, and our Services are are suffering and so are we; The People. An active response to an armed hostage situation is to secure the hostages by eliminating the Terrorists (The American Government) but in this case the Hostages (the American People) voted the Terrorists into Office, gave them complete control and in some cases Re-elected the same Terrorists back into Office yet again. As one reader had put it on a previous post, "The US Government DOES NOT Negotiate with Terrorists", and as such we are in this situation, awaiting for the Terrorists to decide to Execute the Hostages or begin bargaining for their safe release into Poverty, Homelessness, and Destitution for the Next 2-5 years while reaping the rewards of their CRIMINAL Terror action.
In a sense the Whole Country is to blame for the situation we're in but then again we can hopefully Eliminate with Extreme Prejudice those Terrorists on Election day....

dou4now (anonymous profile)
October 15, 2013 at 10:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Or it could be more sinister. Did you hear about the computer glitches with many EBT food stamp cards across the country? For a little while they had their limits reduced to zero and people couldn't buy food - then one day they came back online and their limits were completely taken away. People were walking out of WalMarts with 5 or 6 carts full of groceries, some of the stores food sections became completely barren and they had to shut down the stores and call the police. Do you think that was an accident, or a test?

~47 million out of ~300 million people in this country rely on the government to eat. Let that sink in for a minute. Now, do you realize how royally this country is screwed ?

Not that I blame the people who use them, I blame the system for creating the need. And creating dependency like that is not healthy for society.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
October 15, 2013 at 10:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

lol, when I said 'more sinister' above I was referring to JohnLocke's post, not dou4now, I think both dou4now's post and my post reveal the possibility of near equally highly sinister scenarios :p

loonpt (anonymous profile)
October 15, 2013 at 10:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"The New York Post reported that Ms. Jarrett held several late-night sessions with Mr. Obama at his residence and from there came the strategy of “no negotiation,” Mr. Klein believes.

She was the “architect” of that approach, Mr. Klein said. “It was during one of those nightly sessions that Jarrett devised the no-negotiating strategy that Obama has employed in his fight with the GOP over the government shutdown. She convinced the president that a government shutdown and default offered a great opportunity to demonize the Republicans and help the Democrats win back a majority in the House of Representatives in 2014.”

loonpt (anonymous profile)
October 16, 2013 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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