Every time you drive your car, do you think about …

Extinction? 13% 9 votes
Greenhouse gases, climate change, and food scarcity? 19% 13 votes
Riding a bike, taking the bus, or walking instead? 47% 32 votes
Rising oceans and disappearing real estate? 1% 1 vote
The fact that every mile driven puts another pound of carbon dioxide in the air? 17% 12 votes
67 total votes


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I'm pretty Zen. I usually try to think about driving my car.

ahem (anonymous profile)
April 2, 2014 at 9:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jeez! Pretty baited poll it seems. Well, I guess I'm a pretty selfish jerk because, I don't think about any of these things when I'm driving.

sacjon (anonymous profile)
April 3, 2014 at 1:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Boy, when they say in small letters, "this is not a scientific poll", they mean it!

How about if I think about my driving so I don't kill myself or someone else instead? In that case, would my answer be extinction?

Botany (anonymous profile)
April 3, 2014 at 6:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My car runs on Electricity and Alcohol as an Alternative fuel, my foot print is very tiny to that of Petro Vehicles.

dou4now (anonymous profile)
April 3, 2014 at 6:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Again, an Indy poll with an incomplete set of choices. I think about driving, bicyclists, and pedestrians when I'm driving.

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
April 3, 2014 at 8 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think about whether I'm going to find a parking place at Trader Joe's. I just wish more choices were given for this poll, for those of us who wouldn't know a carbon footprint if it kicked us in the collective buttocks.

RexOfSB (anonymous profile)
April 3, 2014 at 8:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I kind of think that's the point. They want people to feel guilty about driving their Hummers and Excrusions when they should be walking or biking instead. (despite your 3 bags of groceries from Trader Joe's)

Botany (anonymous profile)
April 3, 2014 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think about how bad a$$ it would be to have a V8 sports car, and .15 cent gallons of gas.

AZ2SB (anonymous profile)
April 3, 2014 at 9:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ahh, memories of my youth...she was real fine, my 409. But my gas was .25.

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
April 4, 2014 at 9:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

my Chevy Impala 327 was also bodacious, but gas was at times 19 cents @ gallon during San Fernando Valley gas wars…sigh.

DavyBrown (anonymous profile)
April 4, 2014 at 2:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How'bout with the radio playin I think about how great it is to be here now-
and that it was even better then!

garfish (anonymous profile)
April 4, 2014 at 6:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

For many years, whenever I'm on the 101 between Montecito, Santa Barbara and Goleta, I drive in the slow lane at 55 mph to conserve fuel and to minimize my contribution to global warming.

I'm sorry to say the only other cars traveling at that speed are the ones behind me waiting to get off at the next exit.

William Smithers

bilwil (anonymous profile)
April 4, 2014 at 7:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Driving 55 on the 101 is actually dangerous. Cars must be passing you at a much higher rate of speed.

You should be sorry, you are a menace.

Botany (anonymous profile)
April 4, 2014 at 7:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

@Botany: Wrong; if the other cars are staying in their lane/s, and Bilwil is staying in his lane, there is not a problem.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
April 4, 2014 at 8:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No, I'm right. He is forcing other vehicles to change lanes more often than necessary in order to pass him. Not only is he a hazard by traveling at a much different speed than the traffic flow, he is impeding others as big rigs and other slow moving vehicles actually have to get in the left lane to pass him. By forcing big rigs to do this, he is impeding traffic.

He is actually increasing the global carbon footprint as others need to change lanes as well as their speed more often to get around him. I bet he gets his share of one finger salutes as well.

Botany (anonymous profile)
April 4, 2014 at 8:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The speed limit for any vehicle towing a trailer, which includes semis, is 55 MPH. Bilwil is perfectly safe and legal driving 55 in the slow lane. That is why they call it the slow lane. Botany you are completely wrong. You deserve the one finger salute. I am flipping you off on cyberspace.

Herschel_Greenspan (anonymous profile)
April 4, 2014 at 9:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is so long and wordy I didn't read it in its entirety but as I recall, when the speed limit was 55, 40 was the minimum on highways. I friend of mine just told me it is his understanding that the minimum allowed is 15 MPH below the posted speed limit.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
April 4, 2014 at 10:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is my salute to all here--including myself. (I censored it before The Independent could)

Between Greenspan's finger in the air, and my finger in the air, that equals a peace gesture. Peace out.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
April 4, 2014 at 10:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Legal, yes, safe no. Any vehicle that is not moving with the flow of traffic is a hazard. Does it make the vehicle traveling 55 right and everyone else wrong? Maybe. But the vehicle travelling at a much different speed than the flow of traffic is the hazard. Sorry.

Botany (anonymous profile)
April 5, 2014 at 6:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The government's own studies indicate that the "proper" speed for a road is that at which 85% of the traffic is flowing. Properly engineered speed limits are set accordingly. 55 mph is just more political correctness.

JohnLocke (anonymous profile)
April 5, 2014 at 8:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The section of 101, Goleta-Montecito has many heavily used offramps and onramps. Speed limits are those which are "reasonable and proper" for the conditions. Unless there is almost no one else on the road, Sunday mornings?, a slower speed than the maximum allowable would be both reasonable and proper.

For a discussion of CA speed limits see:

at_large (anonymous profile)
April 5, 2014 at 9:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As I said before, there's a difference between being correct and being safe. They could make the speed limit 40 and if 20 people were going 90 and one person was going 40, the person doing 40 is the hazard. Being right is incidental, being safe is the point.

Botany (anonymous profile)
April 5, 2014 at 1:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If someone wants to drive 55 in the SLOW LANE that is legal and safe. Most problems on the freeway are caused by jackasses going too fast in heavy traffic. That must be you.

Herschel_Greenspan (anonymous profile)
April 5, 2014 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm not a fan of tailgaters.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
April 5, 2014 at 3:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Legal, yes, safe no. Any vehicle that is not moving with the flow of traffic is a hazard.
Botany (anonymous profile)
April 5, 2014 at 6:41 a.m.

But if the traffic flow is speeding, that--in and of itself--is a hazard.

billclausen (anonymous profile)
April 5, 2014 at 3:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nothing really to add here, I think you all pretty much summed it up and I agree with what you people are saying.

Signed, a politician.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
April 5, 2014 at 4:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Speed does kill, that's true. But let me put it this way. If 20 drivers around you were driving 90, you would be safer driving 75 than you would be driving 55. But I guess being right is more important than being safer.

And yes, I would NOT drive 10 mph under the speed limit if everyone else was driving 15 mph over the speed limit. It's not safe. I'll rather be a safe jackass than an unsafe fool.

Botany (anonymous profile)
April 5, 2014 at 8:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Botany, the speed limit is 55 if you're towing a trailer, and there are plenty of cars with trailers on the freeway, so you'll be safer if you anticipate vehicles going 55. I agree with your analysis, but there's no way to avoid the 55mphs. 10 mph is approximately 4 mpg difference.
It makes sense to me to conserve fuel
doyou4now, electric cars aren't really green if you consider all factors v gasoline engines.

14noscams (anonymous profile)
April 7, 2014 at 6:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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