What in the world is happening to Isla Vista?

Bad molly, man. 4% 11 votes
Blame Fukushima. 2% 6 votes
Frustrated and dry Floatopians. 4% 11 votes
Insufficient marijuana. 8% 23 votes
Kids of today are just plain rude and have no respect for authority. Signed, Eddie Haskell 25% 68 votes
Problem? We ain't got no fecking problem… 3% 10 votes
Something's in the water. 1% 5 votes
Spring fever. 1% 3 votes
Too much alcohol. 48% 128 votes
265 total votes


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I would like to know where they get all the money to party. When I was in college my roommates and I did not have two nickels to rub together, styling was splitting a 99 cent bag of Doritos from Rotten Ralphies on a midnight study break.

We had to pay for our own room, board, books and tuition, no loans from the government or mommy and daddy.

howgreenwasmyvalley (anonymous profile)
March 12, 2014 at 7:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IV has become known as party central. Many if not most of the people being arrested are not UCSB students. At halloween it was mainly SBCC. The guy who stabbed someone was from Lompoc and not a student.
The guy jumping on cars WAS a UCSB student. And who knows about the rioter.
The guy at the Hawaii game was a student also.

When the Vietnam era riots happened in the 70s the administration was blamed for ignoring IV behind the Eucalyptus curtain. The students, landlords, admin and law in force have to have a plan. I don't see they work together yet

ednsb (anonymous profile)
March 13, 2014 at 7:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Gang injunction for UCSB students.

AZ2SB (anonymous profile)
March 13, 2014 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Obviously, everyone is going to just blame the "kids these days."

Num1UofAn (anonymous profile)
March 13, 2014 at 10:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

UCSB is one of the top schools in the country. One reason is because the beautiful campus as well as the laid back party atmosphere of IV. IV is a huge draw for intelligent students who want to party hard on their off time without the frat/sorority environment completely dominating the scene. If the party scene at UCSB ever gets crushed, it won't fare well for drawing in these particular higher quality of students who have the option of attending many other top Universities but pick UCSB because of the student culture.

There has always been a lot of both alcohol and 'kids' in IV. 'Kids' have always been rude and lack respect for authority (which imo, lacking respect for authority is a great thing, unless you really like people like Hitler). It is no worse than 10, 20, 30 or 40 years ago. That means most of the votes in this poll are by people who have no idea what they are talking about and have a severe lack of long term memory.

As far as asking where the kids get the money to party, that is a ridiculous question. Buying alcohol at a liquor store comes out to about $.25-$.50 per drink. A better question is where do some of them get the money to take Bill's bus downtown and go to bars where they are paying $8/drink instead of $.50/drink?

But of course you have student loans and parents to cover the costs of education, and then add in a part time job and you have spending money.

There are also a lot of kids that go to UCSB who like to share and have rich parents.

But as has been discussed previously, IV has had more problems ever since they stopped allowing alcohol to be openly served at parties. If they had done it 10 years sooner, the problems probably would have arisen 10 years sooner because instead of getting buzzed and going out to parties to drink, they drink in insane amount and get really drunk first before going out to parties because there is little to no alcohol being openly served. This is the main driver that is creating more of these problems lately. It's leading to more hard drug use and anti-social behavior as well.

Let them have keg parties again and watch things improve, or continue to 'crack down' and watch everything get worse. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
March 13, 2014 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Problem with IV is UCSB enrollment increasing another 5K and building so more housing in and around IV. The carrying capacity of IV was exceeded years ago, but some keep adding to the problem.

News Flash those new multi-story housing / buildings at the top of the loop and behind the six-pac shop are "Green Buildings" yeah!.

Go figure, green building means too much density, more crime, less and less open space for all the residents. You go Bren School keep teaching the students how to build green even in places that already cannot sustain so they can come back and further cram IV with beneficial buildings. Please somebody correct me if I am wrong about IV, love to be wrong here!

Dont_mess_with_Goleta (anonymous profile)
March 13, 2014 at 7:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, you are completely incorrect in what the Bren School does and what "green building" (I assume you mean LEED certified) actually means.

SB2SB (anonymous profile)
March 14, 2014 at 9:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I mean the term "Green" is not about conservation, as in was invented. This term "Green" has been hi-jacked and "spin" as good news by developers when seeking approvals to build more and more despite the social impacts too many people will bring.

Did you know Donald Bren, is/was a big Orange County Developer? Bren School grads designed and built that aweful 4 story building in IV at the top of the Embarcadero loop. You can dis-agree, but I say that building is way out of place, belongs in a big City, is too big for that small site and for laid back small IV. No setbacks, the size bulk and scale would never get an approval under past conservation guidelines where we cared about quality of life by limiting density and cared about the mountain and ocean views of surrounding neighbors. That building has a Leeds cert.

Leeds is a building standard that rates the amount of solar panels, low flow shower heads, double pain glass or energy efficiency, for example in a building design. People confuse this as always good for a community and forget about all the social impacts of cramming more and more people, concrete, less open space, fewer space for trees and plant to grow, blocking views, more traffic etc, into the limited space.

"Its green so it must be good mentality" is what Bren teaches IMHO. Of course building energy efficient buildings can be good for the future, but we should rate the long term social impacts at the same time. The money to fund Bren School in part comes from developer interests. Fox guarding the hen house? Follow the money.

Dont_mess_with_Goleta (anonymous profile)
March 14, 2014 at 7:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I envision a theoretical scenario where we slip them all a drug that kills their sex drives for six months. It would be interesting to see what, if any major social changes occur.

Viagra from a parallel universe is a fascinating concept.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
March 15, 2014 at 6:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey, just wondering...SB2SB and AZ2SB: Are you two related?

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
March 15, 2014 at 6:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, distant cousins.

AZ2SB (anonymous profile)
March 15, 2014 at 1:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Like Warren and Jimmy Buffet?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
March 15, 2014 at 5:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And their nephew Hometown.

srev (anonymous profile)
March 16, 2014 at 7:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

24% say the students are just plain rude, and 51% think it's too much alcohol, and howgreen asks where do they get all the money (I also worked my way through UCSB)? These are often the children of the upper 20%, and children who will become "knowledge workers" -- another term for digital puppets... so these kids are desperate, bored, the wanna have some f**king FUN, where's Floatopia, this is my time to rock before knuckling under to ... Apple, the Singularity, the screen-dominance, the sheer boredom of living at the core of Empire without doing any genuine "work".

DrDan (anonymous profile)
March 16, 2014 at 11:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"If the party scene at UCSB ever gets crushed, it won't fare well for drawing in these particular higher quality of students who have the option of attending many other top Universities but pick UCSB because of the student culture."

"these particular higher quality of students", WTH!!! Really?? Loonpt, time for some sunshine or a medical evaluation. If you or we are going to base the quality of students attending UCSB on the basis of "atmosphere" within IV, well then I'm all for shutting everything down in this "county" controlled area. If you want to "Party" then let it ALL happen on campus property.

Loonpt, who ever you are, please seek immediate help.

Priceless (anonymous profile)
March 17, 2014 at 12:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry Priceless, I meant to put a plural noun such as "batches" in between between the words quality and of. If I write 6 theses in various comment sections of the Independent I may make a mistake here and there at times. If you notice, one of my comments is often 3-6 times the length of your average indy comment.

But the point still stands, you really should read DrDan's post as well because it has some validity and backs up my point. These kids worked hard in high school and want to have an enjoyable yet fruitful experience in college and this is the best place to do that. If UCSB were missing the social/party factor, you would find there would be lower quality batches of students attending and there would be less partying.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
March 18, 2014 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

That IV is a perpetual experiment run by the university and the county is incontrovertible. "Perpetual" because the data is ignored or suppressed. And the lessons are never acknowledged, so never fully learned -- over and over and over. The fundamental conditions never change, the population never changes, the dynamics they seed never change. To everything, churn, churn, churn.

I went to UCSB 40 years ago. One fall, there was a UCSB- and IV-wide "panty raid" (tacitly sanctioned). Come spring, the riots started (not sanctioned). For four years, whatever the "flags", there were uprisings of one sort or another. The university and the county would wake up and approach it as if, "Oh ... This is new." In all the ways, and in whatever language, it took to put the genie back in the bottle until... the next time. Perpetual. And the students are responsible?

My son just finished at UCSB. It's ever as it was, maybe boosted by Playboy, yesterday's social media, in the interim ... Hallowe'en ... Floatopia ... Deltopia ... Hallowe'en ...

This is incontrovertible too: If those really responsible don't step up and make something of the petri dish, someone else will, again and again. The irony is that the expertise always exists in one of the "parents". It's taught right there every quarter. But instead, the relationship is treated like that of a wealthy, influential parent with an illegitimate child.

Nothing new? Exactly. As Samuel Clemens said, everyone talks about the weather, but no one does anything about it.

Meanwhile, there's a new kid in town: social media. Stand by. The next round may make the past look like, well, a panty raid.

What's that sound? Everybody look what's goin' down.

FirewindII (anonymous profile)
May 4, 2014 at 2:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To be sure, a couple of things have changed: There was virtually no street lighting in my day, and now it's above the standard of a slum. Sidewalks ... never mind. And there is the growing subsidized housing at the west end with a different population. Neither is material to the basic conditions of IV. (Perhaps the latter could be mobilized as a mitigating force, but it's also there to be out of sight and out of mind ... and ... well ... here's a church.)

FirewindII (anonymous profile)
May 4, 2014 at 2:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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