Who’d be most likely to defeat Hillary in 2016?

Arya Stark 6% 6 votes
Bran Stark 0% 0 votes
Daenerys Targaryen 36% 36 votes
Jon Snow 11% 11 votes
Petyr Baelish 15% 15 votes
Tyrion Lannister 16% 16 votes
Tywin Lannister 6% 6 votes
Lord Varys 8% 8 votes
98 total votes


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Daenerys, like Clinton, is smart and knows how to wield her power. But she's going to get in trouble with those pet dragons of hers,

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
May 17, 2014 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I've never heard of any of these people...they sound like they're from Lord of the Rings... or some cheap knock off...

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 17, 2014 at 9:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Rand Paul.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
May 17, 2014 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Colorado 2016 poll: Rand Paul beats Hillary Clinton

Colorado voters would favor the Kentucky Republican (Rand Paul) over former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton by 48 percent to 43 percent in a potential 2016 presidential race, according to a new Quinnipiac University poll.

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loonpt (anonymous profile)
May 17, 2014 at 11:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ACLU lines up behind Rand Paul on new filibuster threat

A day after the Kentucky Republican announced his intention to stall the nomination of David Barron to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the First Circuit, the ACLU backed his threat to stage a talking filibuster until President Barack Obama's administration turns over legal opinions on much-debated drone program to senators.

The ACLU has repeatedly urged senators to postpone voting on Barron's nomination until the White House makes all his legal opinions on targeted consumption available.

A former acting assistant attorney general for the Obama administration, Barron authored at least two controversial classified opinions justifying the potential use of a drone strike against American citizens.

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The question everyone should be asking is why Obama wants a federal judge who believes it is legal for the U.S. government to murder U.S. citizens without a trial or even any attempt to arrest them. What does the president have planned for the next two years?"

loonpt (anonymous profile)
May 17, 2014 at 11:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

More Polls:

Rand Paul also beats Hillary in New Hampshire and Kentucky, but check this out:

"One of the poll’s significant findings was that 29 percent of the African Americans surveyed said they would back the tea-party senator. Paul carried 13 percent of the African-American vote when he defeated Kentucky attorney general Jack Conway in his Senate race in 2010. John McCain carried just 4 percent of the African-American vote in 2008; Mitt Romney performed little better in that demographic, winning 6 percent of the black vote in 2012. This suggests that some of Paul’s outreach to the minority community — speeches at Howard University and the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a push to eliminate mandatory minimum sentences for some drug offenders, among other things — is having an impact."

"The other candidates on the survey, New Jersey governor Chris Christie and former Florida governor Jeb Bush, both trail Clinton in a potential matchup..."

loonpt (anonymous profile)
May 19, 2014 at 2:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Isn't Daenerys Targaryen one of the Boston Marathon bombers? ;)

Botany (anonymous profile)
May 19, 2014 at 2:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

@Botany, no that's Tila Targaryen

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 19, 2014 at 3:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Up with the dwarf Tyrion L, and Thorin Oakenshield shall help him stuff the ballot boxes! KV: these all appear to be characters in GAME OF THRONES, I've read all the books but eschew the TV series, but it is wildly popular. Disabled Bran Stark would seem to be the logical one, but so far he has no votes at all. Rather like the USA, we seldom vote in the smart ones, look at Das and Peter Adam!

DrDan (anonymous profile)
May 19, 2014 at 3:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What is this foolish nonsense? This is supposed to be a serious poll. The Independent should be ashamed of itself for making a mockery of a serious issue, one that can affect all our lives.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
May 19, 2014 at 7:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

swim on, dolphin, I trail in your wake, but still think the dwarf is best!

DrDan (anonymous profile)
May 20, 2014 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Game of Thrones has been reported to be the number one Bitorrent download. HBO might not care if it keeps subscription rates up:

EastBeach (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2014 at 10:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It's because of movie theft sites like bit torrents that HBO subscription rates go up (theft is a major factor in price rises in all industries.)

It's hard producing quality shows when people just rip you off, in fact it's expensive and ultimately leads to cheap crap shows like reality tv and lame all or nothing wannabe blockbusters.

I wish bit torrents would crash and burn. Piracy is theft. People smugly use these theft services thinking they're getting back at the corporations but in the end it's not just the actors, directors and writers who are perceived as fabulously wealthy (but in most cases aren't); but also all the crew members and sundry other professions and businesses are impacted.

In addition only the big corporate studios have the resources to shut down piracy, the small producers just get ripped off and whenever a monetary judgement is made, only the big consortiums are compensated.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2014 at 11:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Intellectual property theft is a made up idea, it is not actual theft. The only way you can steal a movie or music is if somebody physically steals a produced copy of a movie or music album. Theft requires taking something that belongs to somebody else at which point they no longer have possession. Would you mind if somebody stole your car, if you still had your car? When you share an idea, you are literally sharing it so it doesn't belong to just you anymore. If you want to keep it a secret, then don't share it with others or sign a contract first.

Bit torrent and file sharing in general is incredibly amazing for all of humanity, including artists. I've downloaded torrents of movies that aren't even available for purchase ANYWHERE. That knowledge would be completely lost if it weren't for file sharing and its amazing capabilities.

If it weren't for bit torrent and file sharing, media today would be in the dark ages. Itunes only exists because Napster came along first and forced the music industry to update their out-dated mode of distributing music.

If it weren't for bit torrent and file sharing, Netflix may not even exist, Amazon prime, all of these great streaming services that you can now pay for and watch content would never have updated their out-dated mode of distributing media. The media companies were forced to change their distribution models to keep up with these technologies.

The fact is, all of this file sharing has done wonders for all kinds of artists from photographers, to DJs and musicians and even amateur film producers. Look at how many amateurs are able to upload their content to places like Youtube for free, they can get hundreds of millions of views and become overnight sensations. They can then go out and create their own material and sell it and guess what?? If you update your distribution methods you can still make plenty of money screening and selling films, selling music and playing live concerts.

I can't tell you how many of the most successful musicians today actually ENCOURAGED their fans to copy their music and distribute it for free so that everybody could hear them and then want to come back and see a live show or maybe even buy an album online. Some artists even make their music available for download completely free and make their money performing shows. Many of these artists would never even have broken through the former corporate and largely monopolistic music scene without free file sharing, the internet and the exposure that comes with that.

So go ahead, download away and find out what your favorite artists are for free and then GO SUPPORT THEM!! Corporations hate it, but the artists who have figured out how to work the new system have found it even more desirable as they now have a much bigger platform to launch their artwork and become well known and successful. It puts way more power in the hands of the people, rather than corporations, in selecting and distributing art.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2014 at 11:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thats total bs designed to make you feel better about stealing. You pay the actors and locations etc. and see how far giving it away gets you.

A digital file IS a produced copy.

In addition in the 80s and 90s before theft via internet there were a lot more independent venues. And artists especially musicians had no limit of independent venues to present their work.
And these were peops who played instruments.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2014 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No, Ken, read my post carefully. Everything I said about modern day artists and new distribution models is absolutely spot on and accurate. I don't feel the least bit bad about sharing music at all and it leads me to being able to support the artists I really want to support and not the ones spoon fed to me by corporations.

The longer you ignore it, the longer you will be left in the dark ages without a viable outlet for your creative expressions.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2014 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Your idea of a distribution model is theft and freebies, which is strangling the indie art scene in all mediums and enabling the very system you claim to disdain.

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2014 at 12:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No, it's really the opposite, smaller artists have way more ability to promote themselves today than ever before. The stuffy little venues from the 80s and 90s were a glass ceiling for artists in the 80s and 90s, today they are being replaced by bigger venues for non-corporate artists who are much more easily able to gain crowds and popularity through social media.

loonpt (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2014 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Promotion creates awareness then revenue; promotion itself is not revenue. Giving away a product that doesn't expire is not revenue.

Dude, you're not a working artist and never have been. Quit trying to guess what it was like because you weren't there!

Your idea of a wider venue is one great big cluster f of quality drowning in a sea of mediocrity.

Your glass ceiling of the "stuffy little venues" provided both a direct artist/audience experience and some form of quality control. If a club or movie house became known for good shows because of good bookers, then the audiences would and are more willing to take a chance on un/lesser knowns booked.
What glass ceiling unless it's women artists are you referring to?
How does any of it justify theft?

Ken_Volok (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2014 at 12:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rand Paul

Between 2003 and 2008 the Democrats tried 8 times to amend Art 2 Section 1 Clause 5 of the US Constitution, the requirement that candidates for the presidency of the US be natural born citizens of the United States.

On April 10, 2008,after failing to alter the definition of a natural born citizen, SR511 declared that John McCain was legal to pursue the position of president of the US, diverting attention from Obama. John McCain was born in the US to two US citizen parents. Clair McKaskel sponsored this bill.
Hillary Clinton and DNC presidential Obama both sponsored this bill.

Immediately prior to the election the Obama campaign spent $1.4 million blocking access to all information about Obama's history.

Two days before the election Obama met with 8 of the 9 justices of the Supreme Court in a closed meeting with no witnesses. Judge Aleto wasn't present at this meeting.


We really have to do better than this.

14noscams (anonymous profile)
July 7, 2014 at 3:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There are two ways to be a US citizen, by birth or by naturalization. Obama is a citizen by birth. Case closed.

Herschel_Greenspan (anonymous profile)
July 7, 2014 at 3:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you Herschel, this is what I've been telling people for years.

What they don't realize is that by law, if even one parent is an American citizen, then the child is also an American citizen, so even if Obama was born on Jupiter, he's still a U.S. citizen. As such, why would he lie about his citizenship status unless he is as ignorant as the Birthers who are going after him?

billclausen (anonymous profile)
July 7, 2014 at 4:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hillary's ever closer rapprochement with the sick & cynical neo-cons -- yes, they're still around! -- e.g. with Robt. Kagan, will lead to her defeat and a possible victory for Paul. Yikes! This is a woman who, like Golda Meir, needs to show her over-developed BALLS, "I can kick ass, too"! Sigh.

DrDan (anonymous profile)
July 8, 2014 at 5:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No, it's really the opposite, smaller artists have way more ability to promote themselves today than ever before.
loonpt (anonymous profile)
May 21, 2014 at 12:30 p.m.

Toulouse-Lautrec was a small artist, he was about 4'9".

To answer the question, the only thing that can defeat Hillary is defeat itself.

dolphinpod14 (anonymous profile)
July 8, 2014 at 6:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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