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Posted on November 21 at 9:10 a.m.
comments on terrorism and the American Aid to Israel
First, in response to billclausen: There are many reasons why terrorism is now an issue and they all have to do with the rise of radical Islam. The radical Islam has began flourishing already more than 60 years ago with the foundation of the “Muslim brotherhood”. The ideology is clear: to return to the age of dominance of Islam. This is the openly stated goal and Israel plays a very minor role in all this. However, for some people ,blaming the Jews for all their problems is almost a habit.
Second, in response to a very ignorant post by Adonis_Tate, one thing should be clear: The American aid for Israel is the best deal the USA ever made!
Israel is the only reliable ally of the USA in the region. Not matter who wins the election in Israel, the friendship with the USA does not change.
Israel saved the USA a lot of money and the life of American soldiers and civilians. How come?
Israel supplied (and still supplies) the USA with crucial intelligence on its enemies and possible terror attacks. Israel supplied the USA, for example, with a MIG 21 in 1966 (captured from Iraq), when it was the Soviet Union’s most advanced fighter jet. If the Americans were to get the technical data about it themselves it would have taken many millions of dollars. Israel also saved an ally of the USA, the kingdom of Jordan, when Syria tried to invade it in 1970, upon the request of the president of the USA. If it wasn't for Israel, who knows how many American soldiers would have risked their lives there.
These are only 2 old examples. There are many more.
In return, Israel received aid which it must spend in the USA. This is a way to supply work to the American industry (not only the military one) and to force Israel not to by the competing products manufactured by other countries (including Israel...).
Moreover, the military achievements of Israel promoted the sells of American weapons over the world more than any marketing campaign.
So, yes, Israel is grateful to the USA and in fact it is probably the only country in which Americans are always popular and welcomed. However, lets keep in mind that the aid serves the American interests very well.
Posted on November 20 at 12:10 p.m.
Dear INFO
Had you attended our teach-in you would have been surprised by the diversities of views expressed by the speakers. At least I and Mr Melnic took a lot effort to refute some pro-Israeli myths as we believe the simple truth supports our views.
I fail to see what historical accounts support your view of the history of Israel. The reality is that Israel was founded in 1948 on the basis of a UN resolution that called for a Jewish state and an Arab state on the land that was a British mandate. The Arab side (The local Palestinians together with the neighboring Arab countries) objected the resolution and immediately open begun with a series of attacks aiming at destroying the Jewish presence in Palestine that was to become a Jewish state. That presence was composed of Jews who lived in the country for many centuries and those who immigrated more recently, bought land (nothing was stolen from no one) and built villages and towns. My grandparents were among them. These are simple historical facts that anyone can check
This of course goes hand in hand in refereeing to Israel as a "victim" (which I personally, by the way, do not). When a small state is repeatedly attacked, when its enemies repeatedly announce that their goal is to destruct that state, when the inhabitants of the state suffer constant terror attacks, than I think it is fair to say that its a victim. As for the strength of Israel: Israel's military force is big enough and technologically-advanced enough to protect it for now. However, this comes at a great price for the Israeli society given the small size of the country and the population. Beside that, the nuclear power of Israel (to the extent it really exists) is not really usable (and one doesn't need to be an expert in political science to understand why) and it certainly doesn't protect Israel from the constant terror attacks.
As for biases and differences in opinions: I think anyone who is personally involved in the issue is biased to some degree. But still, one should differentiate between the facts and the different interpretations of the facts.
Posted on November 19 at 3:26 p.m.
To Mr info
Our Teach in day was directed to people just like you. Good people who are misinformed as I am misinformed (I assume) as to what is going on right now in Bulgaria. Israel is indeed strong but is it strong enough to secure the survival of a community of 7 million people (in a tiny country that lack natural resources) while facing neighboring enemies that can be counted in hundreds of millions? I really suggest that you take a look at the map of the middle east and compare the size of Israel to the size of the Arab nations. This is quite scary.
And, yes, Israel is a victim. From the moment it was founded, and even before that, it has been attacked repeatedly by states and groups that vowed to destroy it. It doesn't make the Palestinian less of a victim; by the way, although they’re tragic fate is to a large extent the result of those attempts to ethnically cleanse the Jews in Palestine already in 1948. Yes, Israel doesn’t “Victimize” the Palestinians as a punishment for what others did in the past to the Jews, it does the minimum it needs to do to ensure its survival. When conditions will change, that is, when the Arab side will be willing to accept Israel’s right to exist as an independent state, the Palestinians will get their own independent state and no one will victimize them. It is as simple as that. However, some of the Palestinian leaders clearly did not learn from past mistakes, as the destruction of the Jewish state is still their manifested goal (don't believe me, read the national charter of the Hamas).
And last thing: No other People suffered as much as the Jews in modern times. In Poland for example, more than 90% of the Jewish population (3 million before WWII) was wiped out in horrific ways by the Nazi's. It doesn't mean the Jews deserve any prizes but there is really no point in denial. Also, who told you the Armenian never victimized no one? Like Israel, Armenia had its own struggle with other national groups (after the fall of the soviet union) and those were not solved with flowers.
Please Mr Info, learn the facts more. That all I can ask from you. And with one thing I agree with you with all my heart: “Israel should exist, Palestine should exist and so should others”.
P.S
English is not my first language so I apologize for any mistakes.
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Posted on November 22 at 1:45 p.m.
Mr Adonis_Tate
It is hard to tell if you are a chronic liar or merely a fool.
If you had read the wikipedia link you added here you would have found that it says exactly what I wrote...
"The Jordanian king telephoned US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and asked for US air support to beat back the Syrian-backed attack. Kissinger instead told the king that he would ask the Government of Israel to intervene, a proposal the desperate king reluctantly accepted. Israel Air Force planes later made low over flights over the PLA tanks as a sign of warning. Soon the PLA began to withdraw".
Victor Ostrovsky... a reliable source you found...he says many things including that all he writes is disinformation...why I am not surprised that you use him as your main source.
of course Israel knew all about 9/11. That’s why Israel warned all Jews ahead of time. Didn't you know about it? The Jews/Israel are also behind WWI and WWII not to mention all the Christian blood we use for Passover. But hey... You LIKE Jews (only a racist will write something like I LIKE Jews/Arabs/African Americans)...I am sure that some of your best friends are Jewish...
And let me tell you a little secret: everybody spies on everybody. If you think the USA doesn't spy on Israel at least as much as Israel spies on the USA than you are even a greater fool than I originally thought.
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