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Posted on December 11 at 8:44 a.m.
Thank you, loonpt. Obviously the problem is everywhere. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't fix it here. We need better LEOs, not more of them, and a new Chief with a protect and serve attitude instead of a shoot 'em attitude.
makmikey what's wrong with being an ACLU lawyer?
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Posted on December 10 at 3:47 p.m.
Interesting, madmikey that you think you speak for everyone. Some ego you got there dude. loonpt does seem to get it. Want to participate in a fact-based discussion or just sit in your reality distortion zone and sling insults?
Read the facts. Our local LEOs are dangerous to your health.
deniseL has obviously drunk the SB koolaid or maybe is from a LEO family and hopelessly biassed. Her objections to my numbers are a combination of missing the forest for the trees and outright denial.
If you think that our county, 1/20th the size of NYC should have an OIS total significantly less than NYC, then write the Supes and Council and ask for an investigation. If not, keep your peace.
If you don't like my data, all from public sources, go get your own. If you want to continue living your in reality distortion zone, go right ahead. Just don't make any sudden moves around any LEOs from SB County.
Posted on December 10 at 2:07 p.m.
Well, of course they are different agencies, but all in SB County providing policity for a population 5% that of NYC. It's not a matter of the shootings being illegal. nor did I ever allege that the shootings were illegal. Heck, our own DA, solidly in the pocket of county-wide law enforcement, has found nothing illegal about the shootings.
But IMO, it's a matter of shoot first, investigate later. There is no fault in my logic. In SB County, with the 1/2 million number I used, there are multiples of the per capita number of OIS as in NYC. With 431,000 people in SB County instead of the 500,000 I used, the numbers are even more alarming.
"Perceived fact"? The two shootings I mentioned happened. They ARE facts. Quit mixing up numbers. Focus on the big picture.
No, I didn't say there were 300,000 people in SB County:, I said "Rate of officer involved shootings in NYC: [ i.e. equivalent to] approximately 1 shooting for every 300,000 citizens in the year 2011." Yes, I am comparing them to a large East Coast agency, so what? Broaden your view - I'll stipulate that ALL SB County police organizations are guilty of overzealous trigger behavior, not to mention questionable DUI arrests (that IS city of SB, BTW) and beatdowns.
Once again, my point is that we need a serious investigation of police behavior in SB County, perhaps by a federal agency to eliminate the obvious protectionist attitude evidenced by our local govs and DA. Focus on the data, do some research, read MUCH more carefully.
Posted on December 10 at 8:58 a.m.
The 7 figure: (http://www.scpr.org/blogs/news/2012/0...) was released by the County Sheriff.
Nice try, denisel, but as I stated at the beginning, I'm comparing the NYC stats (which include ALL of NYC including the relatively rural areas of Staten Island) to SB county (which, again, I clearly stated) and thus including county as well as city LEO. The fact that 7 shootings in North county were irrelevant to my point. Still in county.
But if you prefer, let's just focus on the city: One on 9/2, one on 12/6 - that alone matches all of NYC for a year. Search officer-involved shootings in SB and you'll find them in Goleta, Santa Maria, Lompoc etc. all of which are in SB county, all of which are included in SB County population, and all of which constitute a fair comparison of the OIS (officer involved shootings) in our county of 1/2 million to that of NYC population 8 million.
So ignore, defend, disregard, hide your head in the sand, but countywide we've got a bunch of LEO thugs with badges with a shoot first mentality. Not all, for sure, but enough to be of great concern.
It should also be of great concern that our illustrious DA apparently believes every OIS is a justified one.
Posted on December 9 at 10:25 p.m.
I'm with you. write to the council. Send them the links.
Posted on December 9 at 9:13 p.m.
beachgirl77, perhaps you could enlighten deniseL to the realities of our declining community.
Posted on December 9 at 5:43 p.m.
OK, deniseL, how 'bout contributing some fact to the discussion. I've been trying to find stats for SB, but gee, they don't seem to publish them - can you find them. NYCs numbers for 2011 were a decline from 2010.
I did find an article indicating 7 shootings in SB the first 7 months of 2012. But it doesn't take a statistician to see that our numbers are way out of whack. Instead of being so defensive (are you a LEO?), why not do some research yourself.
A wonderment: why do so many people in these screeds attempt to discredit others with the phrase "if you ever..."? As in "if you ever had a statistics class". You do not know whether or not I've had a stats class but don't seem afraid to jump to your own conclusion. I didn't and do not represent this as a statistical valid study (BTW, ever hear the phrase 'how to lie with statistics'?), but an indication over a period of months or years, when SBs officer involved shooting rate is MULTIPLES, i.e. hundreds of percent, higher than NYC should cause our elected officials to commission a real study.
All one has to do is read the paper. The shootings here are out of control. Best not hide one's head in the sand
Posted on December 9 at 2:48 p.m.
Foofighter, you should be aware that "affordable housing" are words that strike terror into the hearts of Montecitans. They've been fighting it for years with help from their good buddy Salud Carbajal (who doesn't even represent Montecito, though he's glad to take their donations).
Posted on December 9 at 10 a.m.
Hey there DrDan is everyone you disagree with "irrelevant"?
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Posted on December 9 at 9:57 a.m.
@redants, you too need to review the bases of our legal system, esp the parts about innocent and proven guilty and about everyone deserving the best defense they can get.
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