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Posted on March 4 at 6:39 a.m.

Those among us who don't find reading challenging, and who, unlike…

Santa Barbara County Schools Superintendent Bill Cirone

…are capable of distinguishing real science from the corporate engineered for-profit junk science of the vaccine industry promoted, for obvious reasons, by NYT-CNN-AP-WaPo-ABC-CBS-MSNBC-Fox-HuffPo-Reuters-BBC-NPR-PBS…

…might enjoy this article:

'Did 2014 Mark the Collapse of the Vaccine Establishment?'
Richard Gale and Gary Null, PhD


"After several decades of studying the scientific literature regarding vaccines, following the money trails, and interviewing many dozens of toxicologists, immunologists, research physicians, pediatricians, and medical journalists the vaccine paradigm can now be accurately deconstructed with real independent science…

"…After reviewing some of the CDC data received by Dr. Thompson [CDC whistleblower], as well as data records acquired through freedom of information submissions, Prof. Hooker discovered that the CDC has known since 2001 that children exposed to thimerosal in utero were 800 percent more likely to regress into autism…

"An early 2014 report released by the Council of Foreign Relations to identify countries with the highest rates of disease outbreaks, accidentally revealed that the most highly vaccinated populations are also those with the greatest number of outbreaks for those same infectious diseases.

"This was especially the case for measles, mumps, rubella, polio and pertussis outbreaks...

"Given the repeated incidences of infectious outbreaks in populations with 94% or more vaccine compliance, and the emergence of new viral strains, the concept of herd immunity should be forgotten…

"The conclusion is that the B. pertussis vaccinated individual now endangers the health of the unvaccinated and vaccinated alike...

"A paper out of the University of California at Berkeley and appearing in the October 2013 issue of Molecular Cytogenetics came to public attention last year to suggest that cervical cancer may not be caused by the human papilloma virus. If the theory is correct that may prove that the HPV vaccines Gardasil and Cervarix do not prevent cervical cancer at all…"



'Pro-Vaccination Propaganda Is Backfiring, Study Shows'

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Posted on March 4 at 4:54 a.m.


Whatever our differences, surely no one among us could possibly fail to appreciate that the author of the two comments directly above, as well as two previous in this discussion…

"Tiber [sic], have a drink.. pop a pill. you're embarassing [sic] yourself."

"...Most people don't bother reading your posts, suck on that."

…has volunteered his expertise to critique our cognitive abilities and writing skills.

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Posted on March 3 at 11 p.m.

Regarding, @ March 3, 2015 at 10:55 p.m:

"Most people don't bother reading your posts...":

Sadly, the baseless conjecture above is also delusional (how, in an online discussion, could anyone know what "most people" are reading?).

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Posted on March 3 at 10:55 p.m.

"…vaccines keep you healthy…", @ March 3, 2015 at 10:52 a.m…

…is false.

Note the section: 'Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Who’s Healthier?' at:

'Should Parents Be Allowed to Decide About Vaccines?'


"In December 2010, a survey was initiated by to compare the health of vaccinated children with unvaccinated children…

"The results show:

Condition.....Vaccinated Prevalence……Unvaccinated Prevalence
Hay fever...................17.86%.............................3%
Middle ear infections...20.84%...........................7.5%


'Unvaccinated children less prone to disease: study'

A 1992 New Zealand study makes a strong case for the fact that unvaccinated children are generally healthier and less prone to disease than vaccinated children. Contrary to what is popularly assumed about vaccines — that they protect children by building immunity that otherwise would not exist — this research shows that vaccinated children are actually much more likely to suffer from chronic diseases like asthma, eczema, tonsillitis and a host of other health conditions, compared to their unvaccinated peers.

There were ZERO cases of epilepsy observed among unvaccinated children.

The study provided solid scientific evidence in support of considerable anecdotal evidence that unvaccinated children are healthier than their vaccinated peers.


'2011 Study: Vaccinated Children Have 2 to 5 Times More Diseases and Disorders Than Unvaccinated Children'

'State of health of unvaccinated children'

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Posted on March 3 at 9:37 p.m.

"Is that really your point?"

I'm confident that competent readers know the answer to the question above is:


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Posted on March 3 at 9:09 p.m.

Regarding @ March 3, 2015 at 8:51 p.m. :

vacuous blather, misdirected to one participant here rather than the entire group — undocumented opinion signifying nothing

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Posted on March 3 at 7:02 p.m.

From the link @ March 3, 2015 at 6:22 p.m.:

" should also talk to your pediatrician…"

Most pediatricians practice allopathic medicine [ ], and thus:

(1) get their vaccine information from those selling the vaccines

(2) are subject to threats to their livelihoods and reputations if they question any vaccine (note the report from Australia, one of many, linked near the bottom of the comment @ March 3, 2015 at 8:37 a.m.)

Click the link below for 42 quotes, 28 from MDs or PhDs, arranged in six categories, including...

• The Power of Indoctrination
• Denial — Refusing to Connect the Dots
• Professional Repercussions

…explaining why allopaths are silent about vaccines:

'Why Are Doctors Silent?'


[ The first five of six links below resolve at a specific comment within a local discussion (an "anchor point" on the page); on some systems, if Disqus is running slowly, occasionally they resolve at the main page in error. As the URL itself is correct, should that happen, simply re-load the page. ]

'Vaccine Safety & Effectiveness - Influenza; Pertussis ("whooping cough"); Human Papillomavirus (HPV); Measles, Mumps, Rubella (MMR)'

'Santa Barbara County Public Health Department Propagates Big Pharma Quackery and CDC Scientific Fraud'

'Sansum Clinic "Herd Immunity" Deception'

'Sunny Santa Barbara Vitamin D Guide'

'Santa Barbara's Whooping Cough Scam'

^ Includes nine citations in the form of six articles with excerpts, two charts, and this law firm database which details 222 successful cases of vaccine injury settlements at one firm from May 2011 through November 2014:

'Maglio Christopher & Toale - Vaccine Injury Cases'

The injury settlements range from $10,000 to $61 million.

Most of the settlements are for Guillain Barre Syndrome (polio, re-branded) caused by the very aggressively marketed annual influenza vaccine (there were *18* confirmed cases of influenza fatalities in the entire US in 2010).

The largest settlement, $61 million (case no. 08-463V), was for the very aggressively marketed DTap (diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis [whooping cough]) vaccine, widely considered to be the deadliest vaccine currently in production.

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Posted on March 3 at 12:02 p.m.

Regarding, @ March 3, 2015 at 10:52 a.m.:

"Like Polio?"

Yes, exactly like polio.

For those who find reading challenging, here's the 7-word version of this comment:

Polio was *not* eradicated; it was *re-branded.*

Note at the subheading, 'Didn’t vaccines eradicate infectious disease? Isn’t that why we’re living long healthy lives?' at:

'Why Vaccines Aren’t Paleo'
Dr. Kelly Brogan MD and Sayer Ji

"Our collective consciousness around infectious disease has been programmed with the alluringly reductionist perspective that vaccination has helped to save us from major deadly diseases, irrespective of the radical changes in sanitation and hygiene that marked the early to mid twentieth century...

"[POLIO is] perhaps the most emblematic example of oversimplified benefits and dismissed risks...

"An exploration of the true natural history of this dread disease reveals more than iron lungs and crutches cast aside by valiant needles. After the live Salk vaccine paralyzed hundreds of adults and children, ***strategic redefinition of polio in 1955 eliminated labeling as “poliomyelitis”*** all of the cases of acute flaccid paralysis caused by myriad viruses and also toxic exposures such as DDT.

"In fact, what would have formerly been called polio, *transverse myelitis and Guillain-Barre*, are ***increasingly common today***.

"Ironically and tragically, the only US cases of confirmed polio since 1973 have been *vaccine-associated polio paralysis*, prompting the acknowledgement of infectious risks associated with the live vaccine still imposed upon third world citizens.

"…In 2012, just when the Global Polio Eradication Initiative claimed ‘mission accomplished’ in India, with no reports of *wild-type* polio infection in 2011, over 47,000 cases of polio-like “acute flaccid paralysis” were reported in the same year in children by The National Polio Surveillance Programme (TNPSP) in populations ***fully immunized with bivalent oral polio vaccine***.

More regarding POLIO:

'The REAL History Behind the Polio Vaccine'
Viera Scheibner PhD

International Medical Council on Vaccination

'Did Vaccines Really Eradicate Polio?'
Suzanne Humphries MD

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Posted on March 3 at 11:56 a.m.

Regarding, @ March 3, 2015 at 10:52 a.m.:

"3. The "Herd immunity" effects have been studied on hundreds of millions of vaccinated people for 60 years. The evidence is irrefutable."

Above, provided as simple opinion (i.e. with no documentation), is false:

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Posted on March 3 at 8:37 a.m.


The willfully ignorant who have allowed themselves to be thoroughly bamboozled by what the US transnational corporate media has made of a few hundred cases, in a country of 335 million people, of a common childhood illness that has not killed a single US person in ten years might contemplate "cui bono?", i.e. "to whose benefit?"

One can find considerable detail examining the relationship of the pharmaceutical industry, that invests $33 *billion* annually in marketing its products, with local allopathic [ ] establishments, such as Sansum Clinic and Cottage Hospital, at Noozhawk here:

Regarding the local allopaths to whom a greater portion of responsible Santa Barbara parents than most communities *do not* hand over responsibility for the health of their children:

(1) most of these practitioners get their vaccine information wholly or at least partly from the attractive female salespersons of drug companies (up to 80% of which, according to the New England Journal of Medicine, are criminal entities [ clickety clacking through their offices in their high heels,

(2) these practitioners are trained, in institutions heavily dependent on drug industry money and largesse, not to practice health-based medicine by finding a cause for symptoms that may have nothing to do with where in the body those symptoms manifest, but rather, to assign a name to a group of symptoms and select a drug to make those symptoms go away (a toxic drug that then causes additional symptoms, that then necessitates additional drugs…)

(3) Merck and other criminal drug dealers regularly threaten allopaths who dare to question their drugs. Here's a 2009 report out of Australia, one of many:

'Vioxx maker Merck and Co drew up doctor hit list'

"An international drug company made a hit list of doctors who had to be "neutralised" or discredited because they criticised the anti-arthritis drug the pharmaceutical giant produced...

"...The email, which came out in the Federal Court in Melbourne yesterday as part of a class action against the drug company, included the words "neutralise", "neutralised" or "discredit" against some of the doctors' names.

"It is also alleged the company used intimidation tactics against critical researchers, including dropping hints it would stop funding to institutions and claims it interfered with academic appointments…"

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