Comments by alexquinn

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Posted on June 6 at 9:34 a.m.

There are two basic flaws in almost all your arguments throughout these posts, BillClausen. The first is that you frequently pull out random, extreme, anecdotal or isolated instances of things to try to illustrate larger problems or points. OF COURSE there are extremist and misguided "multiculturalists." Does that discredit the entire ideal of multiculturalism? No, just as the existence of hateful Christiams doesn't discredit the entire ideal of Christianity. So when you use the example of some extremist multiculturalist to support your belief that multiculturalists are responsible for segregation? Please. Why don't you just state it as your opinion, without trying to "support" it with examples. I would never claim that all white people are racist because some are, just as you shouldn't try to claim that the success of Asians negates any reality in white privilege, or that the election of Obama means white racism is over now.

The second flaw in your logic is your use of the 'strawman' technique: you distort the position of your opponents in order to discredit their argument. Sure, if I had ever implied that the existence of some white racists means all whites are racist, you might have a point.

Similarly, you state there are "people who are adamant in their quest to tell one group of students that they are undeserving of whatever success they have, while telling another that they are owed something because of what happened to their ancestors are to blame." This is a gross distortion of what most multiculturalists and white anti-racists believe. To acknowledge white privilege is not the same as saying white students are undeserving of their success. All students who work hard and try their best are deserving of success, but how can anyone deny that some students start out with and are helped along the way by certain unearned advantages? That is NOT the same thing as saying their hard work and effort isn't valuable or laudable. By the same token, acknowledging privilege and inequality isn't the same thing as saying people of color are "owed something." Try making an argument based on the ACTUAL position of your opponents and try using more than isolated examples. Try logic, perhaps.

On Mission Impossible?

Posted on June 5 at 7:40 a.m.

Thanks cspeake for providing some first-hand, positive experience with Harding. It's a nice counterpoint to all the third hand anecdotes and uninformed opinions being expressed here. People make some crazy assumptions about education and schools, often based on their (hazy) recollections of their own experience, or on things they've heard, or biases they possess. Most of the people weighing in on these discussions haven't set foot in a public school classroom since they attended school back in the day.

And thanks to Sally Kingston for being innovative and trying to improve a school from which many would just flee and forget about (unless it's to complain about the sad state of education). I hope the District is supporting her...or leaving her alone...whichever it is she needs to get the job done.

On Mission Impossible?

Posted on June 4 at 8:09 a.m.

Get over it, "Revisionist," and start being honest: too many white families don't send their children to schools they perceive as being "too brown and too poor" and thus not "good enough" for their precious kids. Instead of actually getting involved in their neighborhood schools, getting to know their neighbors and being part of solving the problems of defacto segregation, these families are being racist in their judgments and their actions.

It's laughable for people like "Revisionist" to claim some kind of victim status for white people, claiming that they're being asked to apologize for the color of their skin. On the contrary, white skin is celebrated ad nauseum in our culture, and whites benefit from unearned privileges based solely on that skin color every day of their lives. Recognizing that unfair reality and working to change it doesn't require apologizing for being white, it just requires an intelligent, honest, and nuanced understanding of how things work. Even further, a commitment to equity means we might have to actually work to create a world where privilege is EARNED, rather than automatically accrued based on race, gender, or class. Of course, I can see why that might scare a lot of people who fear they won't have what it takes to earn the privileges to which they have grown so accustomed.

It isn't bias for the Independent to name what we all--if we're honest--know is true about white flight, white racism, and white privilege.

On Mission Impossible?

Posted on January 19 at 4:55 p.m.

Actually, AShaw, I did listen to and read his ideas. Contrary to what you want people to think, he has them, and they are quite clear. I know it may be comforting to you to think he got elected by a bunch of dummies, but the truth is scarier--there are a lot of smart, thoughtful people out in America who want a lot of things that are very different from the things you want.

You can try to deride change as something empty and meaningless, but the truth is far more threatening to you I'm sure--and helps to inspire all the vitriol you spew on here: the truth is that there are some clear changes that are needed and that are coming.

And of course it's not the first or last time Obama will disappoint me. I don't expect perfection. But I do know that his views and policies more accurately reflect my own than do any of the things done in the last 8 years of VERY BAD MANAGEMENT. Change is here and it's about time. Sorry 'bout your bad luck.

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Posted on January 17 at 5:43 p.m.

No doubt you know all about it. Because you know everything, huh?

On Out with the Shoe, In with the New

Posted on January 17 at 5:36 p.m.

Oh, and nice job, Penny, writing about an interesting dilemma--thrilled about Obama, but deeply disappointed about Warren. I know the feeling.

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Posted on January 17 at 5:33 p.m.

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Posted on December 24 at 10:29 a.m.

I love the irony of AShaw, one of the least "loving" commentators on these pages, telling gay rights advocates they should be more loving. This guy's hypocrisy is an endless source of amusement.

Defacing property is wrong. But so is lying. People here and elsewhere are taking a few instances of stupid people vandalizing churches and claiming it's a wide-scale "no on 8" strategy. Truth: The vast majority of No on 8 people are behaving respectfully, simply expressing their anger and sadness over bigotry by protesting and gathering together.

Truth: A huge number of supposed Christians went to the polls and expressed a bigoted view. It's simple: they voted to deny a class of people a basic right. No one is going out and passing laws to deny Christians the right to be who they are and form the families they want to form. So writing "fag" on someone's house has a whole lot more power and force behind it--is more of a threat--than ANY of the protests or statements, or even defacements going on towards any churches or Christians.

Quit whining you bigoted Christians out there--you have all the power.

Go out and practice that Christian love you like to talk so much about. Go out and attend to the "sin" amongst your own people. Leave gays alone.

On Anti-Gay Graffiti Scrawled on Clearview Home

Posted on December 23 at 7:55 a.m.

Love these slices of SB life in video form. Thanks Lael Wageneck! Thanks Indy!

On SantaCon 2008

Posted on November 15 at 2:05 p.m.

Nicely written, Alex Dunn. You're right, there is a large segment of religious people who cannot be made to see secular logic. They are impervious to fact or logic, their beliefs trump all. They believe their religious beliefs are TRUTH, and very little can dissuade them from believing that marriage is some kind of holy, sacred, unalterable entity...even when you prove to them that it has altered many times. I don't know exactly how any movement for gay rights can ever argue with people like this. Maybe, just maybe, there are enough people who have gone along with this position but are not completely invested in it...and maybe those are the ones to try to reason with. As for blaming black voters, come on. Maybe blame the gay marriage campaign for not working hard enough to reach out to black voters, IF in fact they were a decisive factor in passing 8.

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